Comments on: An “extraordinary” government? http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/ a community of Singaporeans Sat, 31 Jul 2010 04:43:39 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: eugene http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-647 eugene Mon, 30 Jul 2007 15:29:34 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-647 A leader does not make the country succeed, the people do. Singapore has always had the potential of being successful from way way back. Mickey mouse could have been in the leadership, and come to think of it, things would be a lot better than they are now. And a point to ponder.... when a 'great' leader (and I use the term loosly) eventually dies does he become 'Minister Mortuus' ?? A leader does not make the country succeed, the people do. Singapore has always had the potential of being successful from way way back. Mickey mouse could have been in the leadership, and come to think of it, things would be a lot better than they are now. And a point to ponder…. when a ‘great’ leader (and I use the term loosly) eventually dies does he become ‘Minister Mortuus’ ??

]]> By: extraordinarily rich govt http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-648 extraordinarily rich govt Wed, 25 Jul 2007 04:48:48 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-648 how extraordinarily rich our govt is, raising their pay then raising gst. they sure are extraordinary in how they can make themselves look so gd yet not produce results... how extraordinarily rich our govt is, raising their pay then raising gst. they sure are extraordinary in how they can make themselves look so gd yet not produce results…

]]> By: GST Refund Efficient http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-627 GST Refund Efficient Thu, 17 May 2007 06:18:50 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-627 Please show cost of GST increase Collection & Refund Efficient in terms of Unit Cost in S$ per Singapore Dollor of GST increase Collected & Refunded. It costs a DINASAUR to do such inefficient GST Collection and then Refund. Even the mediocre Refund Recipients themselves were made so so so so so In-In-In-In-INefficient just to receive the GST refund. Just wonder if this is World Class Excellence in Efficiency!?!?!?!?!? Please show cost of GST increase Collection & Refund Efficient in terms of Unit Cost in S$ per Singapore Dollor of GST increase Collected & Refunded.

It costs a DINASAUR to do such inefficient GST Collection and then Refund.

Even the mediocre Refund Recipients themselves were made so so so so so In-In-In-In-INefficient just to receive the GST refund.
Just wonder if this is World Class Excellence in Efficiency!?!?!?!?!?

]]> By: Not First in Non-Corruption http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-626 Not First in Non-Corruption Thu, 17 May 2007 06:11:40 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-626 Singapore is ranked First in many things. But Singapore hand NEVER been RANKED FIRST in NON-CORRUPTION. Thus, Top World salary MUST NOT be JUSTIFIED on the BASIS of non-Corruption and Cleanness because Singapore DID NOT receive this World HONOUR. So Government must be SUED [WHO dares?????] for COMPENSATION and DAMAGES if Singapore does NOT achieve the First World Rank on non-corruption in any year. Otherwise, is this a MIS-GOVERNANCE to receive World Highest Salary????? Singapore is ranked First in many things.
But Singapore hand NEVER been RANKED FIRST in NON-CORRUPTION.

Thus, Top World salary MUST NOT be JUSTIFIED on the BASIS of non-Corruption and Cleanness because Singapore DID NOT receive this World HONOUR.

So Government must be SUED [WHO dares?????] for COMPENSATION and DAMAGES if Singapore does NOT achieve the First World Rank on non-corruption in any year.

Otherwise, is this a MIS-GOVERNANCE to receive World Highest Salary?????

]]> By: theonlinecitizen http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-645 theonlinecitizen Wed, 25 Apr 2007 16:59:12 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-645 Hi knockout, I don't think anyone knows how much all the ministers were earning before they joined the govt/PAP. LHL said Ng Eng Hen was making some $4 million, same as Balaji. But ministers like Wong Kan Seng was only a personnel manager at Hewlett Packard before he became minister. Not sure about the rest. Regards, theonlinecitizen Hi knockout,

I don’t think anyone knows how much all the ministers were earning before they joined the govt/PAP.

LHL said Ng Eng Hen was making some $4 million, same as Balaji. But ministers like Wong Kan Seng was only a personnel manager at Hewlett Packard before he became minister.

Not sure about the rest.

Regards,
theonlinecitizen

]]> By: knockout http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-637 knockout Wed, 25 Apr 2007 02:05:57 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-637 Can anyone tell me how much are the present ministers were earning and the job there are doing before joining the PAP?? Can anyone tell me how much are the present ministers were earning and the job there are doing before joining the PAP??

]]> By: Marginalized_singaPOORean http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-646 Marginalized_singaPOORean Tue, 24 Apr 2007 13:10:36 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-646 lets take it from a sympathetic stand towards PAP ... i think they are really damaging their own reputation internationally with the way they are doing things... Singapore has been the butt of jokes everywhere for the last two months. anyway another comical statement from the Elderlee was that somewhat like this ... if the whole group of PAP MPs in Parliament were to be die in some freak accident, Singapore will not find replacements and hence go down.... now that means Singapore is doomed in the future when someday nature or party turnover take away all these MPs from Parliament, because any replacement PAP brings in over time will be from the pool of Singaporeans will just not be able to make it??? so are the current MPs Prophets or Super-Wise Geniuses or Prodigies??? lets clone the dollies then.... lets take it from a sympathetic stand towards PAP … i think they are really damaging their own reputation internationally with the way they are doing things… Singapore has been the butt of jokes everywhere for the last two months.

anyway another comical statement from the Elderlee was that somewhat like this … if the whole group of PAP MPs in Parliament were to be die in some freak accident, Singapore will not find replacements and hence go down….

now that means Singapore is doomed in the future when someday nature or party turnover take away all these MPs from Parliament, because any replacement PAP brings in over time will be from the pool of Singaporeans will just not be able to make it??? so are the current MPs Prophets or Super-Wise Geniuses or Prodigies??? lets clone the dollies then….

]]> By: theonlinecitizen http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-635 theonlinecitizen Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:39:36 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-635 Hi Knockout, You have put it precisely! According to the govt, we now have a $4 trillion economy and an 'extraordinary' govt. But our CPF has been cut, we do not have enough for retirement, birth rate is plummeting, we're one of the most unhappy people on earth. Not a good job, indeed. Regards, theonlinecitizen Hi Knockout,

You have put it precisely! According to the govt, we now have a $4 trillion economy and an ‘extraordinary’ govt.

But our CPF has been cut, we do not have enough for retirement, birth rate is plummeting, we’re one of the most unhappy people on earth.

Not a good job, indeed.

Regards,
theonlinecitizen

]]> By: knockout http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-634 knockout Tue, 24 Apr 2007 06:31:31 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-634 Singapore used to have so call zero percent unemployment but now??? Singaporean used to have total 40% CPF contribution but now???? You tell me is the govt doing a good job?????? Singapore used to have so call zero percent unemployment but now???

Singaporean used to have total 40% CPF contribution but now????

You tell me is the govt doing a good job??????

]]> By: lex http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-644 lex Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:07:49 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-644 the way our government is praising themselves and condeming all other 1st world countries (denmark, finland, etc) is making me sick. on the contrary, the gov should ask themselves this question: if other first world countries leaders can effectively lead a country that is so much bigger than us for such a lower pay, why cant we do the same? remember, singapore is strategically not affected by natural disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons. take a look at japan. they have their fair share of natural disasters of late, but they still managed to overcome these times. their PM, Abe, did a fine job without an extravagant salary, but more importantly, the people are happy. now compare us to them. do we not have natural disasters? No. are our Ministers lowly paid? no. Most importantly, are our people currently happy? no. outstanding. government 1, singaporeans pwned. the way our government is praising themselves and condeming all other 1st world countries (denmark, finland, etc) is making me sick.

on the contrary, the gov should ask themselves this question: if other first world countries leaders can effectively lead a country that is so much bigger than us for such a lower pay, why cant we do the same?

remember, singapore is strategically not affected by natural disasters like earthquakes, tsunamis, typhoons.

take a look at japan. they have their fair share of natural disasters of late, but they still managed to overcome these times. their PM, Abe, did a fine job without an extravagant salary, but more importantly, the people are happy.

now compare us to them. do we not have natural disasters? No. are our Ministers lowly paid? no. Most importantly, are our people currently happy? no.

outstanding. government 1, singaporeans pwned.

]]> By: Anne http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-643 Anne Tue, 24 Apr 2007 02:03:07 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-643 The problem is not just minister’s salaries. Why is it that top bankers, lawyers, MNCs, engineers, managers is paid millions of dollars when they does not contribute to the country at all. The problem is not just minister’s salaries. Why is it that top bankers, lawyers, MNCs, engineers, managers is paid millions of dollars when they does not contribute to the country at all.

]]> By: mrbiao http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-642 mrbiao Tue, 24 Apr 2007 01:40:13 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-642 My question is, which government in the world doesn't think that it is special? My question is, which government in the world doesn’t think that it is special?

]]> By: Ashamed Singaporean http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-636 Ashamed Singaporean Mon, 23 Apr 2007 17:53:32 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-636 Freedom, Not Fiefdom! Freedom, Not Fiefdom!

]]> By: CelluloidReality(s) http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-632 CelluloidReality(s) Mon, 23 Apr 2007 16:00:14 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-632 Pure unadulterated arrogance. Pure unadulterated arrogance.

]]> By: kruder http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-633 kruder Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:28:53 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-633 Times like this, alot of us really wonder how much does the govt really care about the people and seriously what on earth are they thinking when they try to pull something off like that on the people? It comes across sounding pompous and exaggerated more than anything else. tsk tsk. Times like this, alot of us really wonder how much does the govt really care about the people and seriously what on earth are they thinking when they try to pull something off like that on the people? It comes across sounding pompous and exaggerated more than anything else. tsk tsk.

]]> By: Toscia http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-631 Toscia Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:13:55 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-631 We are in a LEE business. Hmm... I'm a Lee too. Can I get a raise too? You know, Singaporeans still don't care much about this. I met up with an old friend today and vehemently told him how I felt. The only thing he could muster was, "HUH? REALLY AH". We're really truly an extraordinary government who make and approve the everything. Sigh.. the dark ages my friend... the dark age has arrived... We are in a LEE business. Hmm… I’m a Lee too. Can I get a raise too?

You know, Singaporeans still don’t care much about this. I met up with an old friend today and vehemently told him how I felt. The only thing he could muster was, “HUH? REALLY AH”.

We’re really truly an extraordinary government who make and approve the everything.

Sigh.. the dark ages my friend… the dark age has arrived…

]]> By: theonlinecitizen http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-630 theonlinecitizen Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:45:19 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-630 Hi David, I think we can summarise the PAP's attitude in one word: Hubris. And this has come about because of the way the PAP MPs and ministers have got into parliament. That, in my view, is the fundamental problem we have here in Singapore. But too bad, we'll have to wait another 4 years to have our say. Regards, theonlinecitizen Hi David,

I think we can summarise the PAP’s attitude in one word: Hubris.

And this has come about because of the way the PAP MPs and ministers have got into parliament. That, in my view, is the fundamental problem we have here in Singapore. But too bad, we’ll have to wait another 4 years to have our say.

Regards,
theonlinecitizen

]]> By: David http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-629 David Mon, 23 Apr 2007 14:40:11 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-629 Obviously this MM like to talk rubbish and treat Singaporean as a fool. Ask yourself, just because someone manage trillion dollars of economy, does it entitle that person to that trillion dollars of salary ? If you are a financial controller or an asset manager managing someone's money in term of hundred of millions asset, does that mean he can threaten his client by saying : “You want to quarrel about $3 million annual salary over a $100 million assets? I say, Rubbish.” This MM treat Singaporean as a damn fool !!!! No wonder we keep bleeding elite in gov because the gov think they are above everyone and deserve everything because only they are the one build Singapore. Damn it, why are Singaporean working so damn hard when all credits all back to Government and MM ?? No wonder money always not enough for us because the gov keep giving lavishing praise and unjustified salary !!!! Those who are entrepreneur better of go to other countries where their hardwork is really their hardwork not totally to the credit of our arrogant gov. Indeed,LKY is running Singapore all this time looking over the shoulder of his son. His son so flared up that he admit that SM and MM is the one behind ministers'pay hike, rendering his son nothing than a puppet and scrapegoat. MM is making use of his son to show that MM has partially retired !!! That's pathetic. With what MM say, I believe more minister's benefit and perk is coming up for them !!! because they are the pillars of Singapore and worth unlimited wealth !!! Gov = Singapore = PAP !!! that's what MM implies. Without PAP, there's no more Singapore, nevermind the intelligent, educated Singaporean capable of survival in the society !!! Obviously this MM like to talk rubbish and treat Singaporean as a fool. Ask yourself, just because someone manage trillion dollars of economy, does it entitle that person to that trillion dollars of salary ?

If you are a financial controller or an asset manager managing someone’s money in term of hundred of millions asset, does that mean he can threaten his client by saying :
“You want to quarrel about $3 million annual salary over a $100 million assets? I say, Rubbish.”

This MM treat Singaporean as a damn fool !!!!

No wonder we keep bleeding elite in gov because the gov think they are above everyone and deserve everything because only they are the one build Singapore. Damn it, why are Singaporean working so damn hard when all credits all back to Government and MM ?? No wonder money always not enough for us because the gov keep giving lavishing praise and unjustified salary !!!!

Those who are entrepreneur better of go to other countries where their hardwork is really their hardwork not totally to the credit of our arrogant gov.

Indeed,LKY is running Singapore all this time looking over the shoulder of his son. His son so flared up that he admit that SM and MM is the one behind ministers’pay hike, rendering his son nothing than a puppet and scrapegoat. MM is making use of his son to show that MM has partially retired !!!

That’s pathetic.

With what MM say, I believe more minister’s benefit and perk is coming up for them !!! because they are the pillars of Singapore and worth unlimited wealth !!!

Gov = Singapore = PAP !!! that’s what MM implies. Without PAP, there’s no more Singapore, nevermind the intelligent, educated Singaporean capable of survival in the society !!!

]]> By: ordinary citizen http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-641 ordinary citizen Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:52:40 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-641 i didnt know the old master had invested so much in his erm...future talent. unfortunately, the miscalculated language skill acquired wasn't put to good use but it certainly points to a 'planned succession' doesn't it? hmm...oh, i forgot to add. we people don't have conscience, only extraordinary salary leaders have plenty of poker's poke poke conscience hor...lol i didnt know the old master had invested so much in his erm…future talent. unfortunately, the miscalculated language skill acquired wasn’t put to good use but it certainly points to a ‘planned succession’ doesn’t it?

hmm…oh, i forgot to add. we people don’t have conscience, only extraordinary salary leaders have plenty of poker’s poke poke conscience hor…lol

]]> By: Frightened Singaporean abroad http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/comment-page-1/#comment-640 Frightened Singaporean abroad Mon, 23 Apr 2007 08:30:26 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/23/an-%e2%80%9cextraordinary%e2%80%9d-government/#comment-640 I miss Mr. Goh. I recall him saying that he joined PAP because he wanted to repay the country for paying his education. Where are people like him? I would rather have leaders like him than those who would be there simply for the money. Are they going to leave like the top executives in private sector would do when the company goes down? Is that the future "extraordinary" government that we would be getting? I miss Mr. Goh. I recall him saying that he joined PAP because he wanted to repay the country for paying his education. Where are people like him? I would rather have leaders like him than those who would be there simply for the money. Are they going to leave like the top executives in private sector would do when the company goes down? Is that the future “extraordinary” government that we would be getting?

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