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		<title>By: My Academic Papers &#171; Kenneth De Zilwa</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/singapore-inc-4-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-176065</link>
		<dc:creator>My Academic Papers &#171; Kenneth De Zilwa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Feb 2011 06:44:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: shangkim</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/singapore-inc-4-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-615</link>
		<dc:creator>shangkim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 May 2007 12:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our ministers must remember that we are a rugged society not just working for money sake</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our ministers must remember that we are a rugged society not just working for money sake</p>
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		<title>By: person who likes good governments</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/singapore-inc-4-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-616</link>
		<dc:creator>person who likes good governments</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 15:02:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello fellow countrymen, lend me your ears!

i don&#039;t have much experience on our government seeing that i&#039;ve only been around for 16 years, most of the time spent closeted in school, to say if the PAP is either a SAINT(all hail the great ones!) or a dictator(i learnt a phrase &#039;elitist government&#039; yesterday!). i just couldn&#039;t help being paranoid and wondering if the &#039;evil&#039; government would come in the middle of the night to throw a sack over our heads and drag us away to some top secret facility like in V for Vendetta for speaking out against them. Dear government, i hope you don&#039;t do that. it iz eevil nd verey bad. but our country doesn&#039;t seem to be crashing into walls or anything, so that&#039;s okay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello fellow countrymen, lend me your ears!</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t have much experience on our government seeing that i&#8217;ve only been around for 16 years, most of the time spent closeted in school, to say if the PAP is either a SAINT(all hail the great ones!) or a dictator(i learnt a phrase &#8216;elitist government&#8217; yesterday!). i just couldn&#8217;t help being paranoid and wondering if the &#8216;evil&#8217; government would come in the middle of the night to throw a sack over our heads and drag us away to some top secret facility like in V for Vendetta for speaking out against them. Dear government, i hope you don&#8217;t do that. it iz eevil nd verey bad. but our country doesn&#8217;t seem to be crashing into walls or anything, so that&#8217;s okay.</p>
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		<title>By: mrbiao</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/singapore-inc-4-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-622</link>
		<dc:creator>mrbiao</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Apr 2007 17:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I also point out that GDP is not a measure of profitability, but is a measure of production. I don&#039;t understand how GDP can be equated to profit.

If it is indeed a measure of profitability and Singapore has a profit of $210 billion in a year, then each of our 4.5 million citizens should have an estimated &quot;profit&quot; of $46,666 per year... which is certainly not the case. This further proves that the profits are mostly in the hands of those elite few.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I also point out that GDP is not a measure of profitability, but is a measure of production. I don&#8217;t understand how GDP can be equated to profit.</p>
<p>If it is indeed a measure of profitability and Singapore has a profit of $210 billion in a year, then each of our 4.5 million citizens should have an estimated &#8220;profit&#8221; of $46,666 per year&#8230; which is certainly not the case. This further proves that the profits are mostly in the hands of those elite few.</p>
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		<title>By: mammothwhale</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/singapore-inc-4-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-621</link>
		<dc:creator>mammothwhale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 07:02:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the context of PM&#039;s quote, it seems that he tried to relate GDP to the profit of a company, therefore using the PE ratio. But to me it seems more reasonable to link, if you really have to, the GDP to a company&#039;s revenue. In that case, using the Price-Sales ratio would be more relevant. I doubt Singapore Inc would IPO at $4 Trillion in that case.

Maybe we could assume &quot;earnings&quot; to be the absolute growth in GDP, although my preference would be the actual value add of the economy though that would probably be very difficult to measure. If Singapore grows by 7%, that would be approx. $14.7B increase from a base of $210B. Using a PE of 20, that should translate into a &quot;market value&quot; of $294B. Pretty far from the $4 trillion mark but comparable with Fortune/Global 50 firms.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the context of PM&#8217;s quote, it seems that he tried to relate GDP to the profit of a company, therefore using the PE ratio. But to me it seems more reasonable to link, if you really have to, the GDP to a company&#8217;s revenue. In that case, using the Price-Sales ratio would be more relevant. I doubt Singapore Inc would IPO at $4 Trillion in that case.</p>
<p>Maybe we could assume &#8220;earnings&#8221; to be the absolute growth in GDP, although my preference would be the actual value add of the economy though that would probably be very difficult to measure. If Singapore grows by 7%, that would be approx. $14.7B increase from a base of $210B. Using a PE of 20, that should translate into a &#8220;market value&#8221; of $294B. Pretty far from the $4 trillion mark but comparable with Fortune/Global 50 firms.</p>
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		<title>By: bornSingaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/singapore-inc-4-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-620</link>
		<dc:creator>bornSingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:38:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No wonder all the ministers believe is never enough, because the ideology is set forth from the beginning by LKY ! LKY is indeed the greatest liability in history of Singapore. To believe that he care for Singapore for 40years where he actually care for how much wealth and control Singapore can bring to him !!!!

What&#039;s the fucking point of talking economic value and worth if all these cannot be enjoy by mortal being other than gahmen ?

LKY can stop talking rubbish since even he semi-tired, he still get paid more than MiniLee 1!!!

this only show why LKY put digit and value on Singaporean because Singaporean help him to generate billions while he resting and retired. Isn&#039;t this the mindset of a head for a company incorporated ?? Damn it, no wonder I keep paiding and paiding non-stop and get exploit and exploit like nobody business....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No wonder all the ministers believe is never enough, because the ideology is set forth from the beginning by LKY ! LKY is indeed the greatest liability in history of Singapore. To believe that he care for Singapore for 40years where he actually care for how much wealth and control Singapore can bring to him !!!!</p>
<p>What&#8217;s the fucking point of talking economic value and worth if all these cannot be enjoy by mortal being other than gahmen ?</p>
<p>LKY can stop talking rubbish since even he semi-tired, he still get paid more than MiniLee 1!!!</p>
<p>this only show why LKY put digit and value on Singaporean because Singaporean help him to generate billions while he resting and retired. Isn&#8217;t this the mindset of a head for a company incorporated ?? Damn it, no wonder I keep paiding and paiding non-stop and get exploit and exploit like nobody business&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: MM (Movie Monster)</title>
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		<dc:creator>MM (Movie Monster)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 14:07:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As far as I know, naively may be, that GDP records transactions.  It does not measure efficiency, profits and wealth distribution etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as I know, naively may be, that GDP records transactions.  It does not measure efficiency, profits and wealth distribution etc.</p>
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		<title>By: theonlinecitizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/04/singapore-inc-4-trillion/comment-page-1/#comment-613</link>
		<dc:creator>theonlinecitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 03:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi all,

Yep, I fully agree that it&#039;s a flawed analogy. As Charissa said, Singapore is a Nation and not just a country, much less a company. A nation is made up of people - with dreams, aspirations, hope, fears. In short, a nation is one of being human.

A company, in short, is one and has only one purpose - to make a profit. Some companies, in this pursuit for profit, even exploit their workers.

We have started on a path where we have become so pragmatic that we are starting to lose our perspective as a people - human beings with an inner self.

It&#039;s really quite sad.

And when we see ministers using the excuse of &quot;not eroding the work ethics&quot; when refusing to give our old folks just that little bit more, we know we have lost something inside.

Regards,
theonlinecitizen</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi all,</p>
<p>Yep, I fully agree that it&#8217;s a flawed analogy. As Charissa said, Singapore is a Nation and not just a country, much less a company. A nation is made up of people &#8211; with dreams, aspirations, hope, fears. In short, a nation is one of being human.</p>
<p>A company, in short, is one and has only one purpose &#8211; to make a profit. Some companies, in this pursuit for profit, even exploit their workers.</p>
<p>We have started on a path where we have become so pragmatic that we are starting to lose our perspective as a people &#8211; human beings with an inner self.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s really quite sad.</p>
<p>And when we see ministers using the excuse of &#8220;not eroding the work ethics&#8221; when refusing to give our old folks just that little bit more, we know we have lost something inside.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
theonlinecitizen</p>
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		<title>By: flabbergasted</title>
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		<dc:creator>flabbergasted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Apr 2007 02:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ridiculous for the PM to even compare Singapore to a corporation.  With that mentality, you will never get our young men to join NS with a sense of serving the country.&#039;

What about our elderly citizens ?  Based on the analogy, they should all be retrenched.  What company would want all these non-productive workers still hanging around ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ridiculous for the PM to even compare Singapore to a corporation.  With that mentality, you will never get our young men to join NS with a sense of serving the country.&#8217;</p>
<p>What about our elderly citizens ?  Based on the analogy, they should all be retrenched.  What company would want all these non-productive workers still hanging around ?</p>
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		<title>By: Charissa</title>
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		<dc:creator>Charissa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 18:17:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the 1st place, he should not have equated a nation with a company. it is ridiculous to do this! a nation has more responsibilty to its people than a company. A nation is where people   can unite and identified with others. A nation has a shared culture. A nation is not a place but home.... people are actually emotionally attached to their nation. I can go on an on.....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the 1st place, he should not have equated a nation with a company. it is ridiculous to do this! a nation has more responsibilty to its people than a company. A nation is where people   can unite and identified with others. A nation has a shared culture. A nation is not a place but home&#8230;. people are actually emotionally attached to their nation. I can go on an on&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Dr.Huang</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dr.Huang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Apr 2007 13:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,
How about ROA when we don&#039;t even know what the A is ( remember the ex-president OTC had some sort of a tiff with the rulers on this)!
Anyway, they don&#039;t run thus place like a company cos they determine their own salaries and even without a EGM, wrote their own checks although all the shareholders are against it!
Maybe all of the shareholders do not have voting rights. So can just talk and talk but cannot exercise vote!
Anyway, like LTK says, this is waste of time for all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,<br />
How about ROA when we don&#8217;t even know what the A is ( remember the ex-president OTC had some sort of a tiff with the rulers on this)!<br />
Anyway, they don&#8217;t run thus place like a company cos they determine their own salaries and even without a EGM, wrote their own checks although all the shareholders are against it!<br />
Maybe all of the shareholders do not have voting rights. So can just talk and talk but cannot exercise vote!<br />
Anyway, like LTK says, this is waste of time for all.</p>
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