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		<title>By: Ned Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Jun 2007 14:19:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clarence,
I am in full agreement with your point in exchanges. There are many things out there which Singaporeans should see untainted by the information fed to them by the ST.</description>
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I am in full agreement with your point in exchanges. There are many things out there which Singaporeans should see untainted by the information fed to them by the ST.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/05/the-work-holiday-programme-an-undergraduate%e2%80%99s-concern/comment-page-1/#comment-882</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I read through your article and got particularly interested in some of your points.

First of all, your point about NS is totally valid. It&#039;s a cause for concern for many Singaporean males. And now, great, we have foreigners coming in, free of NS obligations, and ceteris paribus, why would any employer hire a Singapore male over a foreigner? Let&#039;s not even start the debate about the higher GPA scores they get.

Now on to your next point. &quot;Friends from the Engineering faculty have said that the average Grade Point Average (GPA) of local students is almost 1 full point out of a possible 5 lower than that of their foreign counterparts.&quot;

Well, while in general I agree that people from a certain nation consistently hog the top spots for each module - first hand experience - it is by no means UNFAIR. What have your friends to complain about? That they&#039;d to study much harder for a lower grade? That they had too little free time to do non-academic stuff? Foreign students have to engage in CCAs so that they can stay in the halls of residences, else they&#039;d have to find their own accomodation, and a Singaporean (assuming he/she is staying with his/her parents) doesn&#039;t need to do that. If you choose to do so (i.e. stay in a hall), and engage in CCAs, remember that it was YOUR choice. If you chose to go out/play games over studying for that midterm test, again it was your choice. Do you have a right to complain about the stiffer competition? Sure, as long as you remember that it is not a RIGHT to earn an A, even without studying much.


Next point: &quot;For too long our foreign talent policy has been premised on bringing foreigners in on the assumption that they will ‘cosmopolitanize’ our Singaporeans.&quot; This assumption, like you say, couldn&#039;t be further from the truth.

It is only natural that one will stick in his/her group of friends. We will hardly venture out of that &quot;safe&quot; circle because a lot of us do not want to leave our comfort zones. It&#039;s not just us Singaporeans, I think people the world over would have the same sentiments.

Personally, I think financing specific students&#039; overseas educations is not a very good idea because it will take up a lot of money on the government&#039;s part and yet only benefit a few.

I feel a better idea would be to finance more students on overseas student exchanges. OMG, please do not make me go on about how my own student exchange changed my life. I do not want to launch into a campaign on why EVERY student should go on exchange. Firstly, it will cost less for the government to do so, and secondly the same pool of money can be used to benefit so many more! Thirdly, we will all then be truly cosmopolitan. Meeting people of German, French, Italian, Japanese, Brit, Norwegian, Finnish, Czech, Slovakian, Canadian, American, South African descent all under one roof made my exchange really memorable. (I&#039;m sure I missed out even more nationalities - I can&#039;t remember all at a go.)

And because of my exchange, I have friends all over the world. Because of the exchange, London is no longer a faraway place I can only dream of. Because of exchange, I&#039;ve come out of my shell, and I&#039;m now talking to you all about my wonderful experiences. Need I say more?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read through your article and got particularly interested in some of your points.</p>
<p>First of all, your point about NS is totally valid. It&#8217;s a cause for concern for many Singaporean males. And now, great, we have foreigners coming in, free of NS obligations, and ceteris paribus, why would any employer hire a Singapore male over a foreigner? Let&#8217;s not even start the debate about the higher GPA scores they get.</p>
<p>Now on to your next point. &#8220;Friends from the Engineering faculty have said that the average Grade Point Average (GPA) of local students is almost 1 full point out of a possible 5 lower than that of their foreign counterparts.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, while in general I agree that people from a certain nation consistently hog the top spots for each module &#8211; first hand experience &#8211; it is by no means UNFAIR. What have your friends to complain about? That they&#8217;d to study much harder for a lower grade? That they had too little free time to do non-academic stuff? Foreign students have to engage in CCAs so that they can stay in the halls of residences, else they&#8217;d have to find their own accomodation, and a Singaporean (assuming he/she is staying with his/her parents) doesn&#8217;t need to do that. If you choose to do so (i.e. stay in a hall), and engage in CCAs, remember that it was YOUR choice. If you chose to go out/play games over studying for that midterm test, again it was your choice. Do you have a right to complain about the stiffer competition? Sure, as long as you remember that it is not a RIGHT to earn an A, even without studying much.</p>
<p>Next point: &#8220;For too long our foreign talent policy has been premised on bringing foreigners in on the assumption that they will ‘cosmopolitanize’ our Singaporeans.&#8221; This assumption, like you say, couldn&#8217;t be further from the truth.</p>
<p>It is only natural that one will stick in his/her group of friends. We will hardly venture out of that &#8220;safe&#8221; circle because a lot of us do not want to leave our comfort zones. It&#8217;s not just us Singaporeans, I think people the world over would have the same sentiments.</p>
<p>Personally, I think financing specific students&#8217; overseas educations is not a very good idea because it will take up a lot of money on the government&#8217;s part and yet only benefit a few.</p>
<p>I feel a better idea would be to finance more students on overseas student exchanges. OMG, please do not make me go on about how my own student exchange changed my life. I do not want to launch into a campaign on why EVERY student should go on exchange. Firstly, it will cost less for the government to do so, and secondly the same pool of money can be used to benefit so many more! Thirdly, we will all then be truly cosmopolitan. Meeting people of German, French, Italian, Japanese, Brit, Norwegian, Finnish, Czech, Slovakian, Canadian, American, South African descent all under one roof made my exchange really memorable. (I&#8217;m sure I missed out even more nationalities &#8211; I can&#8217;t remember all at a go.)</p>
<p>And because of my exchange, I have friends all over the world. Because of the exchange, London is no longer a faraway place I can only dream of. Because of exchange, I&#8217;ve come out of my shell, and I&#8217;m now talking to you all about my wonderful experiences. Need I say more?</p>
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		<title>By: WANG</title>
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		<dc:creator>WANG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 May 2007 06:02:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ned,

Any Singaporean with a local degree from the practical applied sciences, arts, business, engineering can go anywhere in the world. Have met innumerable number of ex Malaysians/Singaporeans/Indonesians in both OECD and non OECD countries who are working in their desired field.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ned,</p>
<p>Any Singaporean with a local degree from the practical applied sciences, arts, business, engineering can go anywhere in the world. Have met innumerable number of ex Malaysians/Singaporeans/Indonesians in both OECD and non OECD countries who are working in their desired field.</p>
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		<title>By: Ned Stark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ned Stark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 17:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, but while the foreigner has the opportunity to go somewhere else, the local is stuck in Singapore with the local degree. Therefore it is a likely scenario that the local would lose out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, but while the foreigner has the opportunity to go somewhere else, the local is stuck in Singapore with the local degree. Therefore it is a likely scenario that the local would lose out.</p>
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		<title>By: jer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 14:45:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Btw, I was replying to your argument that:

&quot;Another problem, less apparent but more insidious, is also present. There are a considerable number of foreign students in the Engineering faculties of the local universities. In a bell curve system of grading, a foreign student’s gain is a local one’s loss.

Friends from the Engineering faculty have said that the average Grade Point Average (GPA) of local students is almost 1 full point out of a possible 5 lower than that of their foreign counterparts.

While this is completely reasonable in a Darwinian sense, the lower GPAs on local transcripts is a further problem for our local student’s employability. This, in turn could result in local students being deemed as not as capable when the person’s only fault was that he could not do better relative to his foreign counterpart. And if the applicant is male, his situation vis a vis a foreign job seeker is further compromised. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Btw, I was replying to your argument that:</p>
<p>&#8220;Another problem, less apparent but more insidious, is also present. There are a considerable number of foreign students in the Engineering faculties of the local universities. In a bell curve system of grading, a foreign student’s gain is a local one’s loss.</p>
<p>Friends from the Engineering faculty have said that the average Grade Point Average (GPA) of local students is almost 1 full point out of a possible 5 lower than that of their foreign counterparts.</p>
<p>While this is completely reasonable in a Darwinian sense, the lower GPAs on local transcripts is a further problem for our local student’s employability. This, in turn could result in local students being deemed as not as capable when the person’s only fault was that he could not do better relative to his foreign counterpart. And if the applicant is male, his situation vis a vis a foreign job seeker is further compromised. &#8220;</p>
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		<title>By: jer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 May 2007 14:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;Friends from the Engineering faculty have said that the average Grade Point Average (GPA) of local students is almost 1 full point out of a possible 5 lower than that of their foreign counterparts.

While this is completely reasonable in a Darwinian sense, the lower GPAs on local transcripts is a further problem for our local student’s employability. This, in turn could result in local students being deemed as not as capable when the person’s only fault was that he could not do better relative to his foreign counterpart. And if the applicant is male, his situation vis a vis a foreign job seeker is further compromised.&quot;&gt;

Xenophobic? I don&#039;t see the problem with this, actually. I&#039;m sure you know Asians (particularly Chinese) have an infamous reputation abroad as being &quot;muggers&quot; and for running Chinese food eateries hours long after local stores close (see Aus, for instance). Some of the locals there don&#039;t like it either. It&#039;s a similar argument. Do you think everyone then should just stay home?

I think the bell curve is, in fact, a rather fair rating in that these foreign talent are earning the same local degree--much like our local students.

Consider this: with subsidised education in the UK, a local there who gets educated in a renowned university because he/she lives within the proximity of the university (as everyone knows, it is Not difficult for an international student to enter a reputable UK university.. if you can pay the exorbitant fees) comes to SG as an expat and is judged more favourably because of the &quot;global&quot; degree; that, perhaps, might be an injustice.

But that&#039;s entirely up to the employer&#039;s discretion.. I&#039;m sure all of us would like to be born rich too, but that&#039;s just the way the cookie crumbles&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="Friends from the Engineering faculty have said that the average Grade Point Average (GPA) of local students is almost 1 full point out of a possible 5 lower than that of their foreign counterparts.</p><p>While this is completely reasonable in a Darwinian sense, the lower GPAs on local transcripts is a further problem for our local student’s employability. This, in turn could result in local students being deemed as not as capable when the person’s only fault was that he could not do better relative to his foreign counterpart. And if the applicant is male, his situation vis a vis a foreign job seeker is further compromised."></p>
<p>Xenophobic? I don&#8217;t see the problem with this, actually. I&#8217;m sure you know Asians (particularly Chinese) have an infamous reputation abroad as being &#8220;muggers&#8221; and for running Chinese food eateries hours long after local stores close (see Aus, for instance). Some of the locals there don&#8217;t like it either. It&#8217;s a similar argument. Do you think everyone then should just stay home?</p>
<p>I think the bell curve is, in fact, a rather fair rating in that these foreign talent are earning the same local degree&#8211;much like our local students.</p>
<p>Consider this: with subsidised education in the UK, a local there who gets educated in a renowned university because he/she lives within the proximity of the university (as everyone knows, it is Not difficult for an international student to enter a reputable UK university.. if you can pay the exorbitant fees) comes to SG as an expat and is judged more favourably because of the &#8220;global&#8221; degree; that, perhaps, might be an injustice.</p>
<p>But that&#8217;s entirely up to the employer&#8217;s discretion.. I&#8217;m sure all of us would like to be born rich too, but that&#8217;s just the way the cookie crumbles</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Boboshoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boboshoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 10:03:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Ned

Good article. I admire your efforts to be constructive. However call me a cynic, but I feel that the people up there are unlikely to adopt your suggestions because they have little incentive (or prodding) to do so.

For a long time I was puzzled why there seems to be preferential treatment given to foreigners. Today I&#039;ve become rather clear of where things stand.

Let me share some (somewhat over-used) analogies which I believe help to explain this phenomenon:

The HR Analogy
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If you&#039;ve been in the job market long enough you&#039;ll know that the reason why nowadays employees don&#039;t stay long in one place is because HR departments tend to pay more for outsiders to come in, rather than to increase the salaries of some of their own staff who are known to be &quot;sticky&quot; (ie. have little intention or option to move elsewhere). So you get a phenomenon that for two employees of the same grade and same capability, the person coming in may be paid much higher than the person who&#039;s been around for a long time.

We&#039;ve all heard of some people who got a raise by threatening to jump ship or others who left a company for better prospects and then got headhunted back for even higher pay.

That’s because in today&#039;s corporate world loyalty is worth very little, and &quot;long-service&quot; has a bad connotation to it. All that&#039;s important is the relative bargaining power and negotiation &quot;games&quot; between the employee and the HR department.

Coming back to the issue of the government and how it treats its own citizen’s vis-à-vis foreigners, I feel it has got nothing to do with whether we are xenophobic or xenophiles but cold-hard pragmatic &quot;HR policies&quot;.


Recruitment Drive To Replenish the Ageing Ranks
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Ned, in one key area I disagree with you because I think bringing in foreigners is not about &quot;cosmopolitanizing&quot; us.

Bluntly put, we are in dire shortage of young workers of all levels due to a major strategic-level population policy cock-up made by the government in the past. In fact, I believe that this is the #1 issue that would probably keep the people up there awake today (or rather, tonight).

Our old folks don&#039;t seem to be going anywhere (they&#039;ve tried to put some in low-cost Batam but failed) and seem to be living longer than ever. Efforts to kill them by making their lives miserable and depressing have only met with limited success (OK, sorry, that&#039;s a very bad joke). Therefore our Immigration Office a.k.a HR department is scouring the planet for young talents to make up the numbers, otherwise Singapore will soon become an old folks home bankrupted by lack of sponsors.

Because of the dire situation, the government is so desperate that they are literally rolling out the red carpet to talent that wants to call the red dot home (this is among other potential revenue raising schemes like GST, Casino...).

Obviously, not all are going to stay. Some smart PRC fellas will simply abuse the system, but I think they&#039;ve already punched the numbers on their financial calculator and determined that there will be a net gain for our economy (provided they&#039;ve done their sums right - recent events show that they are increasingly prone to serious financial cock-ups)


What About Us Long Service Employees?
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Sadly, to fix their previous population cock-up, they&#039;ll be giving first class tickets to recruit foreigners to come over here, and we Singaporeans are going to get paid with economy class treatment. Why? For 80%+ of us who lack the ability to migrate and seek greener pastures, we are going to be stuck here. They can shove NS and GST down our throats, there is nothing we can do about it. It’s not like there&#039;s any other &quot;employer&quot; out there going to recruit us. We can&#039;t bail out - so why should they bother to give us first class treatment?


Sheep and the Shepard&#039;s Dogs
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And who should we blame for our own second class treatment? I feel in this area we should look in the mirror. We Singaporeans are like sheep. The majority will just follow blindly regardless and are easily cowed. In the unlikely event that some sheep make some noises, the Shepard will bring out his BIG staff (or is it a hatchet?), and we sheep will obediently fall back into line to bleat &quot;4 legs good...”

We have become all too familiar about the fate of those few recalcitrant sheep, of a particular black variety, well, who have been set upon by the sheepdogs, so to speak. Further vague threats about &quot;doses of imcompetent...&quot; should keep us all in line NDP style.

So when someone up there says it is his responsibility to &quot;take care of the 80%+ of us who cannot migrate&quot;, perhaps he knows exactly what he is talking about. Just not the way we gullible sheep read it.

Conclusion
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As I recap &quot;in today&#039;s corporate world loyalty is worth very little&quot;. Would a government a.k.a known as Singapore Inc be any different, especially if the sheep continue to be sheep and so there is little risk of a &quot;boardroom tussle&quot;?

Grants for our young but long-service employees to study abroad, you say? Scholarships without super-elite-12A1s-plus-S-paper-distinctions, you say? As the uncle in the coffeeshop will put it, &quot;you wait long long&quot;!


Rgds

Boboshooter</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Ned</p>
<p>Good article. I admire your efforts to be constructive. However call me a cynic, but I feel that the people up there are unlikely to adopt your suggestions because they have little incentive (or prodding) to do so.</p>
<p>For a long time I was puzzled why there seems to be preferential treatment given to foreigners. Today I&#8217;ve become rather clear of where things stand.</p>
<p>Let me share some (somewhat over-used) analogies which I believe help to explain this phenomenon:</p>
<p>The HR Analogy<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
If you&#8217;ve been in the job market long enough you&#8217;ll know that the reason why nowadays employees don&#8217;t stay long in one place is because HR departments tend to pay more for outsiders to come in, rather than to increase the salaries of some of their own staff who are known to be &#8220;sticky&#8221; (ie. have little intention or option to move elsewhere). So you get a phenomenon that for two employees of the same grade and same capability, the person coming in may be paid much higher than the person who&#8217;s been around for a long time.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve all heard of some people who got a raise by threatening to jump ship or others who left a company for better prospects and then got headhunted back for even higher pay.</p>
<p>That’s because in today&#8217;s corporate world loyalty is worth very little, and &#8220;long-service&#8221; has a bad connotation to it. All that&#8217;s important is the relative bargaining power and negotiation &#8220;games&#8221; between the employee and the HR department.</p>
<p>Coming back to the issue of the government and how it treats its own citizen’s vis-à-vis foreigners, I feel it has got nothing to do with whether we are xenophobic or xenophiles but cold-hard pragmatic &#8220;HR policies&#8221;.</p>
<p>Recruitment Drive To Replenish the Ageing Ranks<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
Ned, in one key area I disagree with you because I think bringing in foreigners is not about &#8220;cosmopolitanizing&#8221; us.</p>
<p>Bluntly put, we are in dire shortage of young workers of all levels due to a major strategic-level population policy cock-up made by the government in the past. In fact, I believe that this is the #1 issue that would probably keep the people up there awake today (or rather, tonight).</p>
<p>Our old folks don&#8217;t seem to be going anywhere (they&#8217;ve tried to put some in low-cost Batam but failed) and seem to be living longer than ever. Efforts to kill them by making their lives miserable and depressing have only met with limited success (OK, sorry, that&#8217;s a very bad joke). Therefore our Immigration Office a.k.a HR department is scouring the planet for young talents to make up the numbers, otherwise Singapore will soon become an old folks home bankrupted by lack of sponsors.</p>
<p>Because of the dire situation, the government is so desperate that they are literally rolling out the red carpet to talent that wants to call the red dot home (this is among other potential revenue raising schemes like GST, Casino&#8230;).</p>
<p>Obviously, not all are going to stay. Some smart PRC fellas will simply abuse the system, but I think they&#8217;ve already punched the numbers on their financial calculator and determined that there will be a net gain for our economy (provided they&#8217;ve done their sums right &#8211; recent events show that they are increasingly prone to serious financial cock-ups)</p>
<p>What About Us Long Service Employees?<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
Sadly, to fix their previous population cock-up, they&#8217;ll be giving first class tickets to recruit foreigners to come over here, and we Singaporeans are going to get paid with economy class treatment. Why? For 80%+ of us who lack the ability to migrate and seek greener pastures, we are going to be stuck here. They can shove NS and GST down our throats, there is nothing we can do about it. It’s not like there&#8217;s any other &#8220;employer&#8221; out there going to recruit us. We can&#8217;t bail out &#8211; so why should they bother to give us first class treatment?</p>
<p>Sheep and the Shepard&#8217;s Dogs<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-<br />
And who should we blame for our own second class treatment? I feel in this area we should look in the mirror. We Singaporeans are like sheep. The majority will just follow blindly regardless and are easily cowed. In the unlikely event that some sheep make some noises, the Shepard will bring out his BIG staff (or is it a hatchet?), and we sheep will obediently fall back into line to bleat &#8220;4 legs good&#8230;”</p>
<p>We have become all too familiar about the fate of those few recalcitrant sheep, of a particular black variety, well, who have been set upon by the sheepdogs, so to speak. Further vague threats about &#8220;doses of imcompetent&#8230;&#8221; should keep us all in line NDP style.</p>
<p>So when someone up there says it is his responsibility to &#8220;take care of the 80%+ of us who cannot migrate&#8221;, perhaps he knows exactly what he is talking about. Just not the way we gullible sheep read it.</p>
<p>Conclusion<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;<br />
As I recap &#8220;in today&#8217;s corporate world loyalty is worth very little&#8221;. Would a government a.k.a known as Singapore Inc be any different, especially if the sheep continue to be sheep and so there is little risk of a &#8220;boardroom tussle&#8221;?</p>
<p>Grants for our young but long-service employees to study abroad, you say? Scholarships without super-elite-12A1s-plus-S-paper-distinctions, you say? As the uncle in the coffeeshop will put it, &#8220;you wait long long&#8221;!</p>
<p>Rgds</p>
<p>Boboshooter</p>
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		<title>By: celluloidrealitys</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/05/the-work-holiday-programme-an-undergraduate%e2%80%99s-concern/comment-page-1/#comment-876</link>
		<dc:creator>celluloidrealitys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 01:17:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, you know what&#039;s scary? It&#039;s that probably they know what&#039;s wrong with their campaigns, but they won&#039;t do jack squat because it would be an admission of failure, and the ones up there don&#039;t engage in that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, you know what&#8217;s scary? It&#8217;s that probably they know what&#8217;s wrong with their campaigns, but they won&#8217;t do jack squat because it would be an admission of failure, and the ones up there don&#8217;t engage in that.</p>
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