I tend to look on the other side of the coin:

One side – praise to high heavens that we have a righteous young man willing to stand-up against the Establishment to see justice done.

The other side: A sniggering rat that only has the courage to do it knowing “Uncle” Teo si there.

Join by a Thin Edge of Uncertainty: Bravo!!! The PAP “Anti-Internal Insurgency Unit” asptroling Cyperspace is in full throttle. Thsi young political career started with a Big Bang. if Grandfather is PM at a tender age of 35-years old…This young man will go far as in GE2021..he wil be only 34 years old.

Just watch future “hot-housing” of this young man on a “fast-track” political path.

I doubt whether he will remain as an economist, banker, venure capitalsit, etc…

sg has often been known to use international arbitration to settle disputes when there is an impasse with neighboring countries if all else failed. well, the people should have their ‘international artibtration’ to pressure officials to behave.

someone should organise an ‘internation arbitration’( other than NGO/human rights etc) for the people and please, not CASE.

and btw, if he, as the son of PM, can’t get away from the constricting coil of an anaconda system, no one can and should. now that’s the moral of the story!

and the GRIP TIGHTENS!

I am not sure if a “reprimand” even constitutes “punishment” – as this channelnewsasia report indicates:

“Li Hongyi was punished for contravening orders: MINDEF”

We will then be able to see whether does he have any privilege.

Its only a reprimand, do you all think it affects him? His dad is the PM. What can we say ? We do not have those kinda luck.

In my past experience with my complaints , i was being reprimanded for insubornation and they threatened to charge me on that account. Right now I demand the SAF to really seek into any improvements to create a high standard of an officer , and not merely picking loser as leader . If SAF do not know how to begin with maintaining high standared of leader , I would suggest them to have an annoymous annual review of officers’ performance by their men under their command.This would at least give some “wake up call” for the officer who want to take advantage of their authorities to slack during his duities .
Any officers lazed in the camp should not be easily get away from their punishment . There is also another senseless and unfair treatment for a corporal who go AWOL in view with the officer .Hong yi is doing a right and want justice to be done for any offenders .He is cut to be a leader i guess ..with the email he sent out

Now my question to SAF is….
How are we gonna to trust these losers for giving orders to defend the countries when he is not behaving in a proper way?

Talking back and insubordination tend not to be used on officers as reasons to go to DB for. You need to get charged by your Superior Commander. From the SAF Act:
Powers of punishment of superior commander
70. —(1) A superior commander may upon conviction of an accused who is an officer below the rank of lieutenant-colonel or a warrant officer impose any one of the following punishments:

(a) forfeiture of seniority of rank and forfeiture of all or any part of his service for purposes of promotion;

(b) a fine not exceeding —

(i) in the case of officers who are of the rank of captain or major, a sum of $3,000; and

(ii) in the case of officers below the rank of captain and of warrant officers, a sum of $2,000; or

(c) reprimand.
[1/91;1/94]

(2) In addition to or in lieu of any other punishment, the superior commander may order that the accused shall suffer any deduction from his ordinary pay authorised by this Act.

As you can see, 2LT Li’s SC could either fine him, demote him (not possible since he was a 2LT and there isn’t any lower substantive rank) or reprimand him. His SC would likely be the Chief Signal officer or the Brigade commander his battalion was attached to.

Officers do not get RP, and extras are informal punishments that don’t go on your record. It’s not because of who he is. And extras are besides the point since he is deferring anyway. The only way he could go to DB was by a General Courts Martial, and the judges would likely dismiss it because not following the chain of command in such an instance is considered trivial.

Locksmith,

It may have been vindictive but I don’t think it was malicious. 2LT Li was appalled by the conduct of his so-called “fellow officer”, as am I.

If i am right,even going DB for non-criminal offence has no record, let alone a verbal reprimand which is nothing.

Arguing back and not obeying orders can also land yourself in DB under insubordination, cause the rules are unclear. I have seen people go in for that before.

Not to mention spamming all the SAF top, middle and bottom brass email and complaining about a personal difference with a fellow colleague and superiors.

2LT Lee can be considered very light he got no DB, report RP or extras because of who he is.It also shows his lack of officer creed and leadership.

I did not say it is fine for 2LT Li to get away “lightly”, and I actually don’t think he got a light punishment. He did after all get summarily tried and got a verbal reprimand, which is about standard for cases like this. Basically it means your good conduct is wiped clean, i.e., you’re treated as if you just got promoted to your current substantive rank. Practically, it means that he won’t get promoted to LTA by the time he ORDs.

This leads quite nicely into your next question, being the difference between the 2 officers’ transgressions. Being AWOL and lying about it versus not following the chain of command to report an errant officer. Go figure.

Whether you support HongYi’s action or not does not matter really. Either way, he has his day.

Let’s put it this way, society girls have debutante balls to determine their marriageability. There must be a calculated way to determine the popularity or the lack of it for a crown prince. His email and press publicity could only have been the result of public relations strategy albeit a very outdated one.

The only thing you have to be aware is that the rest of the country not belonging to their circle will forever be marginalised. Imagine yourself circulating an email of this sort. Count yourself lucky to be courtmartialled. who knows you could be stripped of your citizenship or made to pay heavy fines as long as you are under the Lee regime and Hong Yi is no exception.

Please people, isn’t it very clear now; it does not matter what you think. Really.

There maybe some that disagree with you on the email matter which commented on the SAF Officers, but as a whole I strongly agree with you honest and straight forwardness. Yes, you did go through the Chain of Command (COC) it like you did informed the superior above you and even the alternative people you could speak too but I really understood your situation very well, reason that I too when the smae way through “Proper” channel and chain of command not just in the SAF but also the Ministry of Education and even the other Ministry, everyone from the Customer Service right to the Student Directors and worst of all the Perm. Secretary of Education is pushing the ball all over the shop and not taking “Responsibilities” not having the sense of ownership. These are the “REAL” propblem the Government of the Day should not just look into but serious consider doing their own “HouseKeeping” Take the Movie by Jack Neo as a lesson “Fellow the Law”….these are thing every Civil Servents and Governmental organisation are having this “Attitute” problem…if these continue the next few years you not only create a group of Civil Servent with this attitude but Singaporean as a whole will have this attitude then Mr SM Goh will have a headache answering the question of a “Gracious Society” which he dreamt off…so the ball is in the court of the Government of the Day…..Think about it and ponder over the days…Take care Singapore

It will always be the same even after what you have
done.we the common man will only have to suffer without complaint and no choice.

you seem to agree it is fine for 2LT Lee to get away lightly with what he did just because of his status. So you agree it is fine to have double standards when implementing discipline and rules in SAF.

Then what is the difference between LTA X and 2LT Lee ??