Comments on: A good speech – but some points to keep in mind http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/ a community of Singaporeans Fri, 10 Feb 2012 09:50:10 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pui yee http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1781 Pui yee Tue, 28 Aug 2007 04:43:23 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1781 hahahaha... now that the dust has settled down and that more specifics have been released by the HEN, is our pee-M's speech good or simply a good WAYANG? die die oso don't trust the pap! hahahaha… now that the dust has settled down and that more specifics have been released by the HEN, is our pee-M’s speech good or simply a good WAYANG?

die die oso don’t trust the pap!

]]> By: Gerald http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1774 Gerald Thu, 23 Aug 2007 19:23:54 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1774 After listening to the entire speech, I found myself agreeing with most of the points that PM raised. I then realised the reason for this is that it the topics covered in the speech were very "narrow" -- and steered clear of controversial topics that have characterised previous Rally speeches (e.g. casino, Stayers-quitters, justifying his visit to Taiwan, etc). After listening to the entire speech, I found myself agreeing with most of the points that PM raised. I then realised the reason for this is that it the topics covered in the speech were very “narrow” — and steered clear of controversial topics that have characterised previous Rally speeches (e.g. casino, Stayers-quitters, justifying his visit to Taiwan, etc).

]]> By: Kew Kah Fatt http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1778 Kew Kah Fatt Thu, 23 Aug 2007 01:09:54 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1778 It is because they are authoritarian power. More than 66% of Singaporeans give them that power. It is because they are authoritarian power. More than 66% of Singaporeans give them that power.

]]> By: sarek_home http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1779 sarek_home Wed, 22 Aug 2007 08:32:58 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1779 <i>Look how long they’re taking to change the law on “party political films”</i> The question is why it take so long to change something while so quick to change others? This unwillingness on PAP part to make changes is eroding the chance of peaceful democratic reform in Singapore. It is not good to the society. Look how long they’re taking to change the law on “party political films”

The question is why it take so long to change something while so quick to change others? This unwillingness on PAP part to make changes is eroding the chance of peaceful democratic reform in Singapore. It is not good to the society.

]]> By: Andrew Loh http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1776 Andrew Loh Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:43:07 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1776 Sarek, I don't think we can expect the PAP to make any big changes in the political sphere. Look how long they're taking to change the law on "party political films", which is something MM Lee said would happen. And he said it in 2003! Thus, I think we have to credit the PM for the invite to the opposition MPs. It's not an earth-shattering gesture but one which is welcome, nonetheless. Regards, Andrew Sarek,

I don’t think we can expect the PAP to make any big changes in the political sphere. Look how long they’re taking to change the law on “party political films”, which is something MM Lee said would happen. And he said it in 2003!

Thus, I think we have to credit the PM for the invite to the opposition MPs. It’s not an earth-shattering gesture but one which is welcome, nonetheless.

Regards,
Andrew

]]> By: sarek_home http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1777 sarek_home Wed, 22 Aug 2007 03:19:19 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1777 <i>opposition MPs and NMP were invited to the rally</i> is typical PAP style of making token action that really has no consequence at all. We don't see real actions like giving opposition MPs the CCC adviser role like the PAP MPs. opposition MPs and NMP were invited to the rally is typical PAP style of making token action that really has no consequence at all. We don’t see real actions like giving opposition MPs the CCC adviser role like the PAP MPs.

]]> By: Kew Kah Fatt http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1780 Kew Kah Fatt Wed, 22 Aug 2007 01:13:08 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1780 The papers stated opposition MPs and NMP were invited to the rally. This is something different of PAP style. They relenting or softening ? Overall, the speech is nothing. He just wants to manipulate the rules, that is all. Problems still cannot be solved. The papers stated opposition MPs and NMP were invited to the rally. This is something different of PAP style.
They relenting or softening ?

Overall, the speech is nothing. He just wants to manipulate the rules, that is all. Problems still cannot be solved.

]]> By: RaymondChua http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1772 RaymondChua Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:30:34 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1772 Robert Teh Kok Hua, you are just right, it become a yearly routine to come out rally with speech that likely to be script by some scholars, and blah, blah, with nothing new. Of course, if I am the gahmen and I will not retire consider that i getting increasing millions of dollars every year while Singaporean get exploited and marginalized ! Robert Teh Kok Hua,
you are just right, it become a yearly routine to come out rally with speech that likely to be script by some scholars, and blah, blah, with nothing new.

Of course, if I am the gahmen and I will not retire consider that i getting increasing millions of dollars every year while Singaporean get exploited and marginalized !

]]> By: Robert Teh Kok Hua http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1773 Robert Teh Kok Hua Mon, 20 Aug 2007 15:19:18 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1773 It is the same kind of speech year after year - Singapore did well, Singaporeans must change their mindset, Singapore cannot compete without the foreigners or foreign investments and there must be sacrifices made for the raining days etc etc. In this way, all the problems will be covered up by a nice picture painted. Ageing population is a burden to the state. What he did not say are these : "In order to continue running the government and pay for the lesser number of babies and increasing proportion of ageing population, there will be problems in taxing and funding for high costs of running the government and paying for retired ministers' life-long million-dollar annuities caused by years of pushing for their own pay increases, life-long rewards and extravagant public spending, at the expense of providing for social and medical needs of the people who have contributed to the national coffers all these years. So to solve all these future problems, Singaporeans must change their mindset and not to expect to retire too early (without necessarily guaranteeing their re-employment after 55) so that whatever happen they must sacrifice again this time by collecting their retirements later until 67, Our leaders have really lost their touch of compassion being too comfortably provided for by the citizens and losing all their sense of understanding the plight of many who are reaching retirement age but with their prospect of living their fruitful retiring years dashed. It is the same kind of speech year after year – Singapore did well, Singaporeans must change their mindset, Singapore cannot compete without the foreigners or foreign investments and there must be sacrifices made for the raining days etc etc.

In this way, all the problems will be covered up by a nice picture painted.

Ageing population is a burden to the state.

What he did not say are these :

“In order to continue running the government and pay for the lesser number of babies and increasing proportion of ageing population, there will be problems in taxing and funding for high costs of running the government and paying for retired ministers’ life-long million-dollar annuities caused by years of pushing for their own pay increases, life-long rewards and extravagant public spending, at the expense of providing for social and medical needs of the people who have contributed to the national coffers all these years.

So to solve all these future problems, Singaporeans must change their mindset and not to expect to retire too early (without necessarily guaranteeing their re-employment after 55) so that whatever happen they must sacrifice again this time by collecting their retirements later until 67,

Our leaders have really lost their touch of compassion being too comfortably provided for by the citizens and losing all their sense of understanding the plight of many who are reaching retirement age but with their prospect of living their fruitful retiring years dashed.

]]> By: Lilian http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/comment-page-1/#comment-1775 Lilian Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:39:37 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/20/a-good-speech-but-some-points-to-keep-in-mind/#comment-1775 Same sentiments...I was wondering when he mentioned Hougang, exactly which Hougang was he referring to... and increasing 1% interest rates for CPF members for the first 20k comes with a condition, that is the limitations on own private investment which I think its ridiculous... Our PM still thinks that we cannot manage our own money. Same sentiments…I was wondering when he mentioned Hougang, exactly which Hougang was he referring to… and increasing 1% interest rates for CPF members for the first 20k comes with a condition, that is the limitations on own private investment which I think its ridiculous… Our PM still thinks that we cannot manage our own money.

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