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	<title>Comments on: Are there systemic problems in our CPF system?</title>
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		<title>By: George</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/are-there-systemic-problems-in-our-cpf-system/comment-page-1/#comment-111942</link>
		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Oct 2009 12:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The value of CPF had decreased over the years as SinKaporean had to use it to pay for an expensive roof over their heads. Its original purpose was saving for old age. To make SinKaporean use it for medical expenses as well for those who had aged parents or themselves only create problems for the future. All these policies are for short term gahment benefits with long consequences for the those citizens that live long enough into retirement. The number of homeless sleeping on benches in public does bring some concern about present day gahment policies. How many SinKaporean could find themselves in this unfortunate situation in old age? Many countries have what is known as final salary pension which pay a fixed sum per month as long as the person live. It is an expensive system that depends on market returns on its investment. Employers had to top it up to make up for any short fall. PAP should take a step backward and use its power and authority as an elected gahment to regulate and leave the rest to the markets. Gahment should not get involved in runing busineses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The value of CPF had decreased over the years as SinKaporean had to use it to pay for an expensive roof over their heads. Its original purpose was saving for old age. To make SinKaporean use it for medical expenses as well for those who had aged parents or themselves only create problems for the future. All these policies are for short term gahment benefits with long consequences for the those citizens that live long enough into retirement. The number of homeless sleeping on benches in public does bring some concern about present day gahment policies. How many SinKaporean could find themselves in this unfortunate situation in old age? Many countries have what is known as final salary pension which pay a fixed sum per month as long as the person live. It is an expensive system that depends on market returns on its investment. Employers had to top it up to make up for any short fall. PAP should take a step backward and use its power and authority as an elected gahment to regulate and leave the rest to the markets. Gahment should not get involved in runing busineses.</p>
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		<title>By: Chao Fan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/are-there-systemic-problems-in-our-cpf-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1932</link>
		<dc:creator>Chao Fan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 11:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This was not unexpected, any person who has given some thought to the CPF system should have known that this chain of events is inevitable. Withdrawal age will only increase and minimum sum will only increase. It will never be the other way round, the money has to keep circulating. The upper limit will ultimately be such a low payout that you will never see bulk of $ which are the fruits of your labor. Factors that accelerate the degradation of the CPF system : 1)Insufficient population mass to sustain the money machine, I wonder why? Oh social pressure and the stop at 2 campaign. 2)Quitters-nice label, I wonder where is the daughter of the politician who coined this term 3) Dismal failures in the overseas ventures time and again, so much for the lauded risk taking. Isn&#039;t it fair that CSJ should ask that question: Where is the $? 4)Flats hit $750000 and there was no control.This has happened not once but twice in my lifetime. Nothing was done. Only HDB was smiling to the bank. Awesome....

If this isn&#039;t a good indication that Singapore has been putting too much faith in the meritocracy system then I don&#039;t know what is. If generals can turn investment banker maybe I can become a lawyer after reading Law for Dummies. Perhaps one day Wee Shu Min might become the chair at Temasek because she is certainly the type to take risks . I never got to vote but I cast my vote now. A vote of no confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This was not unexpected, any person who has given some thought to the CPF system should have known that this chain of events is inevitable. Withdrawal age will only increase and minimum sum will only increase. It will never be the other way round, the money has to keep circulating. The upper limit will ultimately be such a low payout that you will never see bulk of $ which are the fruits of your labor. Factors that accelerate the degradation of the CPF system : 1)Insufficient population mass to sustain the money machine, I wonder why? Oh social pressure and the stop at 2 campaign. 2)Quitters-nice label, I wonder where is the daughter of the politician who coined this term 3) Dismal failures in the overseas ventures time and again, so much for the lauded risk taking. Isn&#8217;t it fair that CSJ should ask that question: Where is the $? 4)Flats hit $750000 and there was no control.This has happened not once but twice in my lifetime. Nothing was done. Only HDB was smiling to the bank. Awesome&#8230;.</p>
<p>If this isn&#8217;t a good indication that Singapore has been putting too much faith in the meritocracy system then I don&#8217;t know what is. If generals can turn investment banker maybe I can become a lawyer after reading Law for Dummies. Perhaps one day Wee Shu Min might become the chair at Temasek because she is certainly the type to take risks . I never got to vote but I cast my vote now. A vote of no confidence.</p>
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		<title>By: Kew Kah Fatt</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/are-there-systemic-problems-in-our-cpf-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1931</link>
		<dc:creator>Kew Kah Fatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Sep 2007 02:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with the CPF is too much manipulation by the government, maybe to achieve its own agenda.
The primary goal of CPF is for old age, but rules were included to add housing, health care, insurance etc etc.
The more the government dabble in CPF, thinking they are good for the citizens, the worst it will be. The reason is the more they do, the more demanding Singaporeans will become.
They try to solve it technically. The real problem is moral.
Just like a rich couple neglecting their sons by giving them material gifts but not moral love to be at their side when needed.

And why CPF cannot get into equity investment ? Malaysian EDF invested in equity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with the CPF is too much manipulation by the government, maybe to achieve its own agenda.<br />
The primary goal of CPF is for old age, but rules were included to add housing, health care, insurance etc etc.<br />
The more the government dabble in CPF, thinking they are good for the citizens, the worst it will be. The reason is the more they do, the more demanding Singaporeans will become.<br />
They try to solve it technically. The real problem is moral.<br />
Just like a rich couple neglecting their sons by giving them material gifts but not moral love to be at their side when needed.</p>
<p>And why CPF cannot get into equity investment ? Malaysian EDF invested in equity.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Teh Kok Hua</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/are-there-systemic-problems-in-our-cpf-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1930</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Teh Kok Hua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Sep 2007 00:07:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you are the government and you cannot govern with good decisiveness and objectivity and given way to greed and allowed their cpf eventually to be depleted, due to liberalizing on their playing cpf with shares and property speculation, are you a good government and have you really succeeded on the original intention of making cpf people&#039;s retirement nestegg.

Let&#039;s just admit it, it is a failure this cpf retirement scheme because of government lack of insight and foresight over the way it has been put to use for various speculations.

Now it is too late as most people have lost their retirements on mortgaging their retirements on HDB purchases, share purchases and other speculation which government should have been wise to avoid.

Another mistake is now to be made because of top-down autocracy again this time - postpone receipt of their final CPF balance (at 55 they already deferred their collection) - depriving citizens of their wish to use their balance for whatever they need for retirement which they know best.

The few thousands of people who live beyond 85 should not result in a punishment on all the rest to give up receiving their final balance at a younger than dying time.

That is the proper meaning of retirement which PM Lee has failed to understand !!!

If there is a election now, PAP will lose 5 seats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you are the government and you cannot govern with good decisiveness and objectivity and given way to greed and allowed their cpf eventually to be depleted, due to liberalizing on their playing cpf with shares and property speculation, are you a good government and have you really succeeded on the original intention of making cpf people&#8217;s retirement nestegg.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s just admit it, it is a failure this cpf retirement scheme because of government lack of insight and foresight over the way it has been put to use for various speculations.</p>
<p>Now it is too late as most people have lost their retirements on mortgaging their retirements on HDB purchases, share purchases and other speculation which government should have been wise to avoid.</p>
<p>Another mistake is now to be made because of top-down autocracy again this time &#8211; postpone receipt of their final CPF balance (at 55 they already deferred their collection) &#8211; depriving citizens of their wish to use their balance for whatever they need for retirement which they know best.</p>
<p>The few thousands of people who live beyond 85 should not result in a punishment on all the rest to give up receiving their final balance at a younger than dying time.</p>
<p>That is the proper meaning of retirement which PM Lee has failed to understand !!!</p>
<p>If there is a election now, PAP will lose 5 seats.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Teh Kok Hua</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/are-there-systemic-problems-in-our-cpf-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1933</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Teh Kok Hua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Aug 2007 17:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Systemic problem? Yes it is a major policy or system failure when major promises made to the people cannot be fulfilled as planned.

42 years ago, the government started the CPF to provide for people’s retirement.

So people worked towards CPF saving for their retirement making sacrifices etc in recession to forgo wage increases or taking cuts on CPF.

Now 42 years later government said CPF scheme is no longer enough to provide for retirement obviously because it cannot provide the same interest as previously to support people&#039;s retirement.

So it said that it is now time to postpone retirement or it is planning to take away whatever CPF people have and give them to the banks to earn more profits for themselves and return miserable paltry annuities when by that time many people would have died and missed their retirements.

What is this kind of government is this ? Has it fulfilled its promise to provide people with a means to retire (since it does not provide welfare or medical assistance)?

Is it a government which has been honorable in fulfilling a major promise made to the people?

Or is it becoming dishonourable now by changing the retirement game plan midstream and says that because people are living longer so there is not enough monies for retirements.

So now it wants to confound the problem by taking away citizens’ CPF at 55 and later and stash them to grow again for retirements while keeping all the people’s taxes and surpluses for hatching against huge losses incurred by the government due to extravagant spending on their own salaries etc and investments fiasco by Temasek or GIC.

Which is the case now ? Please tell people the truth whether taking CPF away from people at 55 was to help them again or to take their monies to hatch against their own extravagance or reckless investments overseas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Systemic problem? Yes it is a major policy or system failure when major promises made to the people cannot be fulfilled as planned.</p>
<p>42 years ago, the government started the CPF to provide for people’s retirement.</p>
<p>So people worked towards CPF saving for their retirement making sacrifices etc in recession to forgo wage increases or taking cuts on CPF.</p>
<p>Now 42 years later government said CPF scheme is no longer enough to provide for retirement obviously because it cannot provide the same interest as previously to support people&#8217;s retirement.</p>
<p>So it said that it is now time to postpone retirement or it is planning to take away whatever CPF people have and give them to the banks to earn more profits for themselves and return miserable paltry annuities when by that time many people would have died and missed their retirements.</p>
<p>What is this kind of government is this ? Has it fulfilled its promise to provide people with a means to retire (since it does not provide welfare or medical assistance)?</p>
<p>Is it a government which has been honorable in fulfilling a major promise made to the people?</p>
<p>Or is it becoming dishonourable now by changing the retirement game plan midstream and says that because people are living longer so there is not enough monies for retirements.</p>
<p>So now it wants to confound the problem by taking away citizens’ CPF at 55 and later and stash them to grow again for retirements while keeping all the people’s taxes and surpluses for hatching against huge losses incurred by the government due to extravagant spending on their own salaries etc and investments fiasco by Temasek or GIC.</p>
<p>Which is the case now ? Please tell people the truth whether taking CPF away from people at 55 was to help them again or to take their monies to hatch against their own extravagance or reckless investments overseas.</p>
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		<title>By: Ranquist</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ranquist</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:55:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>According to an article in Today, written by Prof. Saw Swee Hock on 23 Mar 2007, the idealized resident population up till 2050 is 3.64 million. If LSH&#039;s 1.79 million figure is used in relation to the 3.64 million, that is 49.18% of the resident population receiving pension annuities. If that ever happens, either the world life expectancy has changed or Singapore should be peddling the elixir of life to the rest of the world.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>According to an article in Today, written by Prof. Saw Swee Hock on 23 Mar 2007, the idealized resident population up till 2050 is 3.64 million. If LSH&#8217;s 1.79 million figure is used in relation to the 3.64 million, that is 49.18% of the resident population receiving pension annuities. If that ever happens, either the world life expectancy has changed or Singapore should be peddling the elixir of life to the rest of the world.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Hanz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:41:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His name is Mukul Asher. Given his credentials, how he has written on the issue is not reflective of his actual academic abilities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His name is Mukul Asher. Given his credentials, how he has written on the issue is not reflective of his actual academic abilities.</p>
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		<title>By: Hanz</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/08/are-there-systemic-problems-in-our-cpf-system/comment-page-1/#comment-1934</link>
		<dc:creator>Hanz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 20:38:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singapore beat Switzerland as a country with national savings at 50% of GDP, in 2000. We are still no where near them at all in terms of welfare. There has got to be something wrong somewhere.

I think the necessity of a national pension for the really old is inevitable. Setting the pension age at 85 is ludicrous. If the government is sincere about a pension, it should ensure that a portion of employer CPF contributions go towards setting up a pension fund and match it. Employers contribute to the CPF not for Singaporeans to buy a house, mind you. If employers wish to give employees more money for their performance or to get loyalty, it should not be contributed to the CPF.

I expect more from ministers that earn lifetime monetary incomes that exceed 10 million dollars, before the inclusion of other financial assets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singapore beat Switzerland as a country with national savings at 50% of GDP, in 2000. We are still no where near them at all in terms of welfare. There has got to be something wrong somewhere.</p>
<p>I think the necessity of a national pension for the really old is inevitable. Setting the pension age at 85 is ludicrous. If the government is sincere about a pension, it should ensure that a portion of employer CPF contributions go towards setting up a pension fund and match it. Employers contribute to the CPF not for Singaporeans to buy a house, mind you. If employers wish to give employees more money for their performance or to get loyalty, it should not be contributed to the CPF.</p>
<p>I expect more from ministers that earn lifetime monetary incomes that exceed 10 million dollars, before the inclusion of other financial assets.</p>
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		<title>By: asoka</title>
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		<dc:creator>asoka</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 29 Aug 2007 09:16:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if i don&#039;t remember wrongly some years ago a varsity prof had warned that there were some problems with our cpf system that need to be tweaked. one of the problems was the very low interest rate paid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if i don&#8217;t remember wrongly some years ago a varsity prof had warned that there were some problems with our cpf system that need to be tweaked. one of the problems was the very low interest rate paid.</p>
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