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		<title>By: A stand-up comedian and his &#8220;credible&#8221; media &#171; Pseudonymity</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2462</link>
		<dc:creator>A stand-up comedian and his &#8220;credible&#8221; media &#171; Pseudonymity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Oct 2007 05:36:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sept 2006 stand-off . TNP followed-up that rubbish with a sinister-sounding report this year on the Ist anniversary of that stand-off [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Kai Xiong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2461</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Xiong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 17:11:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve just sent you a mail :)

I don&#039;t know the answer to your question for sure to be honest. I can only say that cynical and fatalistic as I sometimes am, I choose to believe in humanity and life in general. Somehow they have never disappointed me in the end. Even the helpless dogs in Seligman experiment* found their way out of their unpleasant situations.

* http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just sent you a mail :)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know the answer to your question for sure to be honest. I can only say that cynical and fatalistic as I sometimes am, I choose to believe in humanity and life in general. Somehow they have never disappointed me in the end. Even the helpless dogs in Seligman experiment* found their way out of their unpleasant situations.</p>
<p>* <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Learned_helplessness</a></p>
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		<title>By: Some Thoughts about the Recent SDP Walk &#171; Chemical Generation Singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Some Thoughts about the Recent SDP Walk &#171; Chemical Generation Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 12:54:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 18th, 2007 at 8:54 pm (Uncategorized)  I read this over at The Online Citizen. The moral behind this entertaining side-story from Monday&#8217;s New Paper about the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 18th, 2007 at 8:54 pm (Uncategorized)  I read this over at The Online Citizen. The moral behind this entertaining side-story from Monday&#8217;s New Paper about the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Loh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Kai Xiong,

Hey, was cool to finally talk to you at the walk. I wish there were more young people like you - who&#039;re willing to stand up for what they believe in. Perhaps we&#039;re seeing this taking place - one person at a time?

By the way, can u email me your email address? Wanna catch up on what we spoke about.. :)  Thanks!

Mine&#039;s theonlinecitizen@gmail.com

Regards,
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Kai Xiong,</p>
<p>Hey, was cool to finally talk to you at the walk. I wish there were more young people like you &#8211; who&#8217;re willing to stand up for what they believe in. Perhaps we&#8217;re seeing this taking place &#8211; one person at a time?</p>
<p>By the way, can u email me your email address? Wanna catch up on what we spoke about.. :)  Thanks!</p>
<p>Mine&#8217;s <a href="mailto:theonlinecitizen@gmail.com">theonlinecitizen@gmail.com</a></p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: Kai Xiong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2449</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai Xiong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 11:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello again Andrew,

Thanks for the coverage and staying with us throughout almost the entire event. By far the most memorable event for me was chatting about politics over our chicken rice dinner outside the prison :).

It&#039;s a pity it didn&#039;t see more publicity because of short notice but I&#039;m happy either way.

After you left, John had some very interesting history to share about non-violent action, like how nuns confronted armed soldiers by putting roses into their gun barrels during the Rose Revolution (I think) and so on. Although I&#039;ve never seen what he saw on TV, it really moved me.

Oh yes. I don&#039;t know if you know about John&#039;s haggling with our T-shirt printer who charged exhorbitant prices to drive him away. Apparently, the printer has now formally requested by mail , to the point of begging us not to patronize their service again lest they land in trouble.

Sad isn&#039;t it.

Kai Xiong

P.S. Shout-out to E-Jay! Great to see you again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello again Andrew,</p>
<p>Thanks for the coverage and staying with us throughout almost the entire event. By far the most memorable event for me was chatting about politics over our chicken rice dinner outside the prison :).</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a pity it didn&#8217;t see more publicity because of short notice but I&#8217;m happy either way.</p>
<p>After you left, John had some very interesting history to share about non-violent action, like how nuns confronted armed soldiers by putting roses into their gun barrels during the Rose Revolution (I think) and so on. Although I&#8217;ve never seen what he saw on TV, it really moved me.</p>
<p>Oh yes. I don&#8217;t know if you know about John&#8217;s haggling with our T-shirt printer who charged exhorbitant prices to drive him away. Apparently, the printer has now formally requested by mail , to the point of begging us not to patronize their service again lest they land in trouble.</p>
<p>Sad isn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>Kai Xiong</p>
<p>P.S. Shout-out to E-Jay! Great to see you again</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Loh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Sep 2007 05:29:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey EJay,

Yea, if nothing else it was a good workout, huh? Walking for 3 hours! I was beat by the time I got home. :)

When Dr Chee&#039;s eldest daughter got out of the car, pointed at her t-shirt and schouted &quot;Democracy!&quot; with a smile on her face... that moment was the highlight for me, to be honest. One can hope that the younger generation still believe in the values of democracy.. :)

Had a good long chat with Gandhi during the walk. A man of conviction, for sure!

Regards,
Andrew</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey EJay,</p>
<p>Yea, if nothing else it was a good workout, huh? Walking for 3 hours! I was beat by the time I got home. :)</p>
<p>When Dr Chee&#8217;s eldest daughter got out of the car, pointed at her t-shirt and schouted &#8220;Democracy!&#8221; with a smile on her face&#8230; that moment was the highlight for me, to be honest. One can hope that the younger generation still believe in the values of democracy.. :)</p>
<p>Had a good long chat with Gandhi during the walk. A man of conviction, for sure!</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Andrew</p>
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		<title>By: celluloidrealitys</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2458</link>
		<dc:creator>celluloidrealitys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:56:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not as many friends in the international arena as the PAP, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not as many friends in the international arena as the PAP, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Mithril Arrow</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2459</link>
		<dc:creator>Mithril Arrow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 15:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why sdp got so many ang moh frens? why so many ang moh want to fren sdp? how come?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why sdp got so many ang moh frens? why so many ang moh want to fren sdp? how come?</p>
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		<title>By: Dead poet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dead poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:47:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I missed out a fact..he had never read Animal Fram . so I loaned him a copy...he came back and declared all the ones I mentioned were in league with Snowball and Mr Jones.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I missed out a fact..he had never read Animal Fram . so I loaned him a copy&#8230;he came back and declared all the ones I mentioned were in league with Snowball and Mr Jones.</p>
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		<title>By: Dead poet</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2453</link>
		<dc:creator>Dead poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 12:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A few weeks, back a friend of mine asked me why I even botherd about Chee&#039;s antics. Firstly I reminded him it was Dr Chee (the MSM has stopped refering to him as such) and that he was a respected lecturer in our World Ranked University and that they would not have hired him in the first place if he was a crackpot or a gay. Lets not forget MOE&#039;s edict on the role of teachers. So I shot him back a question, go figure what the 102 including Lim Chin Siong, JBJ, those arrested in the so called Marxist plot, Francis Seow, Tang, Devan Nair had in common. Were they common criminals, uneducated fools, habitual liers or cheaters?. Go figure what their one common fault was...and then come talk to me I told him and if he could not see what they have in common, he is the ultimate fool of all....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A few weeks, back a friend of mine asked me why I even botherd about Chee&#8217;s antics. Firstly I reminded him it was Dr Chee (the MSM has stopped refering to him as such) and that he was a respected lecturer in our World Ranked University and that they would not have hired him in the first place if he was a crackpot or a gay. Lets not forget MOE&#8217;s edict on the role of teachers. So I shot him back a question, go figure what the 102 including Lim Chin Siong, JBJ, those arrested in the so called Marxist plot, Francis Seow, Tang, Devan Nair had in common. Were they common criminals, uneducated fools, habitual liers or cheaters?. Go figure what their one common fault was&#8230;and then come talk to me I told him and if he could not see what they have in common, he is the ultimate fool of all&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2455</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 11:11:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today&#039;s New Paper reported that the Caucasian &quot;tourist&quot; right there with the group at the Istana in the Youtube video is actually Timothy Cooper from a US NGO, Worldrights. He is probably there at SDP&#039;s behest to film police manhandling and shenanigans. The police craftily did not want to play the game, hence, the unmolested march. Wheels within wheels.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today&#8217;s New Paper reported that the Caucasian &#8220;tourist&#8221; right there with the group at the Istana in the Youtube video is actually Timothy Cooper from a US NGO, Worldrights. He is probably there at SDP&#8217;s behest to film police manhandling and shenanigans. The police craftily did not want to play the game, hence, the unmolested march. Wheels within wheels.</p>
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		<title>By: Ng E-Jay</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/hong-lim-park-protest-revisited/comment-page-1/#comment-2456</link>
		<dc:creator>Ng E-Jay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 10:43:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew,

It was a great event, and it was also a great pleasure meeting and chatting with you, not to mention also a great honour walking with the SDP and supporting them in their march for democracy and freedom of assembly.

At the end of the event outside the forbidding gates of Queenstown Remand Prison, I witnessed Dr Chee&#039;s children light the candles in support of Dr Chee. I felt very touched. These kids displayed even more bravery than many adult citizens, some of whom do not even dare approach the SDP members in public.

I think the flame of democracy must never be extinguished, but must be carefully nurtured. We are at the tipping point where the citizens are searching for good leaders to show them the way. It is up to capable and committed people to step forward and take the lead. When others see that good people are doing the right thing, they will follow.

All in all, it was a great event and I look forward to supporting more of SDP activities.

Ng E-Jay</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew,</p>
<p>It was a great event, and it was also a great pleasure meeting and chatting with you, not to mention also a great honour walking with the SDP and supporting them in their march for democracy and freedom of assembly.</p>
<p>At the end of the event outside the forbidding gates of Queenstown Remand Prison, I witnessed Dr Chee&#8217;s children light the candles in support of Dr Chee. I felt very touched. These kids displayed even more bravery than many adult citizens, some of whom do not even dare approach the SDP members in public.</p>
<p>I think the flame of democracy must never be extinguished, but must be carefully nurtured. We are at the tipping point where the citizens are searching for good leaders to show them the way. It is up to capable and committed people to step forward and take the lead. When others see that good people are doing the right thing, they will follow.</p>
<p>All in all, it was a great event and I look forward to supporting more of SDP activities.</p>
<p>Ng E-Jay</p>
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		<title>By: Singapore Boy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Singapore Boy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Sep 2007 08:24:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Taken from my blog.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://singaporeboy.blogspot.com/2007/09/join-circus-to-oppose-pap-no-thanks.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Join the Circus to oppose the PAP? No thanks!&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Taken from my blog.</p>
<p><a href="http://singaporeboy.blogspot.com/2007/09/join-circus-to-oppose-pap-no-thanks.html" rel="nofollow">Join the Circus to oppose the PAP? No thanks!</a><br />
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Sep 2007 17:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great coverage, Andrew!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great coverage, Andrew!</p>
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