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	<title>Comments on: &#8220;That is what we are elected to do&#8221; &#8211; MP Josephine Teo</title>
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		<title>By: “That is what we are elected to do” - MP Josephine Teo &#171; A Deadbeat&#8217;s Weblog</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/that-is-what-we-are-elected-to-do-mp-josephine-teo/comment-page-1/#comment-2646</link>
		<dc:creator>“That is what we are elected to do” - MP Josephine Teo &#171; A Deadbeat&#8217;s Weblog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Oct 2007 16:43:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Daily SG: 1 Oct 2007 &#171; The Singapore Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily SG: 1 Oct 2007 &#171; The Singapore Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Oct 2007 03:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] &amp; Annuities - The Online Citizen: “That is what we are elected to do” - MP Josephine Teo - vinyarb&#8217;s Xanga site: a case against annuity? - Feed me to the Fish: Before I die - Diary [...]</description>
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		<title>By: truly singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>truly singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Laremy,

The difference between:

&quot;Just because it is CPF funds, does Government have the right to decide how they should be spent on behalf of CPF members, even against the wishes of the members?&quot;

and

&quot;Kew Kah Fatt Says:
September 28th, 2007 at 10:17 am

*Comments deleted by moderator for irrelevance.&quot;

is that in the former case, CPF monies are owned by CPF members, not the govt whereas in the latter case, this space that we&#039;re writing on is owned by The Online Citizen.

For the sake of our convenience, we are allowed to post first and they edit later.  Can you imagine Straits Times publishing everything that people writes in without filtering or editing?  You&#039;d get a newspaper full of rubbish.

So it isn&#039;t ironic at all ...

There are certain house rules, I suppose if we abide by those rules, our personal viewpoints will see the light of day ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Laremy,</p>
<p>The difference between:</p>
<p>&#8220;Just because it is CPF funds, does Government have the right to decide how they should be spent on behalf of CPF members, even against the wishes of the members?&#8221;</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>&#8220;Kew Kah Fatt Says:<br />
September 28th, 2007 at 10:17 am</p>
<p>*Comments deleted by moderator for irrelevance.&#8221;</p>
<p>is that in the former case, CPF monies are owned by CPF members, not the govt whereas in the latter case, this space that we&#8217;re writing on is owned by The Online Citizen.</p>
<p>For the sake of our convenience, we are allowed to post first and they edit later.  Can you imagine Straits Times publishing everything that people writes in without filtering or editing?  You&#8217;d get a newspaper full of rubbish.</p>
<p>So it isn&#8217;t ironic at all &#8230;</p>
<p>There are certain house rules, I suppose if we abide by those rules, our personal viewpoints will see the light of day &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: truly singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>truly singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 08:48:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello Grant, I agree with you that from a national perspective, it would be good to put in place a system where everyone&#039;s old age is well taken care of and nobody becomes a liability to anybody else.

Having said that, if someone is willing to top up his CPF so that it can last him till he is a 100 years old, doesn&#039;t that demonstrate that he would not be a liability in old age?  In that case, is it still right to compulse him to buy an annuity?

There are other avenues, like if he has enough of his own savings, he can decide to draw out his CPF later, or draw less each month.  Maybe he has a fully paid 3-room flat which he decides to monetise which gives him more than enough money to last till 100 years old.  In all these cases where the person demonstrates that he can take care of himself financially till 100 years old, do we still compulse him to buy an annuity?

So you see, the govt is doing a terribly wrong thing in forcing people to buy things they don&#039;t want and they don&#039;t need.  Are they any better than gangsters?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello Grant, I agree with you that from a national perspective, it would be good to put in place a system where everyone&#8217;s old age is well taken care of and nobody becomes a liability to anybody else.</p>
<p>Having said that, if someone is willing to top up his CPF so that it can last him till he is a 100 years old, doesn&#8217;t that demonstrate that he would not be a liability in old age?  In that case, is it still right to compulse him to buy an annuity?</p>
<p>There are other avenues, like if he has enough of his own savings, he can decide to draw out his CPF later, or draw less each month.  Maybe he has a fully paid 3-room flat which he decides to monetise which gives him more than enough money to last till 100 years old.  In all these cases where the person demonstrates that he can take care of himself financially till 100 years old, do we still compulse him to buy an annuity?</p>
<p>So you see, the govt is doing a terribly wrong thing in forcing people to buy things they don&#8217;t want and they don&#8217;t need.  Are they any better than gangsters?</p>
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		<title>By: The other percentage</title>
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		<dc:creator>The other percentage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:24:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We voted for consultative goverment, and rightfully we have been consulted, on the Ministers salary increase, GST increase and now the CPF. Consultation does not mean that they will have to agree to the arguments put forward. How much our feedback is valued can be clearly seen by the attitudes of the people in power. The basic assumption regardshless of all the &quot;exam&quot; every five years theory put forward, is that we are are bunch of dumb asses (at least the 66.6%)who for the better part of five years voice their displeasure but leave their brains at home when they go to the polling station. At the end of the day you get what you deserve ($300).and they get what they deserve...millions</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We voted for consultative goverment, and rightfully we have been consulted, on the Ministers salary increase, GST increase and now the CPF. Consultation does not mean that they will have to agree to the arguments put forward. How much our feedback is valued can be clearly seen by the attitudes of the people in power. The basic assumption regardshless of all the &#8220;exam&#8221; every five years theory put forward, is that we are are bunch of dumb asses (at least the 66.6%)who for the better part of five years voice their displeasure but leave their brains at home when they go to the polling station. At the end of the day you get what you deserve ($300).and they get what they deserve&#8230;millions</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
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		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 02:16:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The 26,000 over-85s are only 0.55% of the 4.68m&quot;
Majority of this 26,000 might just easily represent the elite, wealthy and gahmen well since they have money and power to do whatever they want to prolong their life.

The problem is not whether annuity or any other plan by gov is good or bad. It is whether you want to continue to trust in gov that have along the way lose the credibility and trust from the people. The gov that more interested in doing business, gov that break their own law, gov do whatever they want irrespective of feeling of the Singaporean, and always claiming that whatever they do, they do in love and for good of people.

It is no secret that gov love to change policy that fit their agenda. I won&#039;t be surprised that in order to appease the people and ensure that the annuity get implement first, gov might just shorten the requirement temporarily  from 85 to 75 years old. Then in the future, find some excuse to increasingly increase the year to whoNoWhere. Isn&#039;t this the same with retirement age ? From 55-&gt;65-&gt;67-&gt; WhoKnowWhere (Only go up but never come down)

We have see this tactic use over and over again.

the money today is stronger than future-banana currency in next 30years. What can banana money buy you then ? Just as its name, buy banana and peanut.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The 26,000 over-85s are only 0.55% of the 4.68m&#8221;<br />
Majority of this 26,000 might just easily represent the elite, wealthy and gahmen well since they have money and power to do whatever they want to prolong their life.</p>
<p>The problem is not whether annuity or any other plan by gov is good or bad. It is whether you want to continue to trust in gov that have along the way lose the credibility and trust from the people. The gov that more interested in doing business, gov that break their own law, gov do whatever they want irrespective of feeling of the Singaporean, and always claiming that whatever they do, they do in love and for good of people.</p>
<p>It is no secret that gov love to change policy that fit their agenda. I won&#8217;t be surprised that in order to appease the people and ensure that the annuity get implement first, gov might just shorten the requirement temporarily  from 85 to 75 years old. Then in the future, find some excuse to increasingly increase the year to whoNoWhere. Isn&#8217;t this the same with retirement age ? From 55-&gt;65-&gt;67-&gt; WhoKnowWhere (Only go up but never come down)</p>
<p>We have see this tactic use over and over again.</p>
<p>the money today is stronger than future-banana currency in next 30years. What can banana money buy you then ? Just as its name, buy banana and peanut.</p>
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		<title>By: NA</title>
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		<dc:creator>NA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 15:06:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the govt wants to interfere with CPF monies, then the CPF contributions should be more correctly referred as tax or social security contributions; it&#039;s no longer a personal savings account where one can withdraw the funds freely to pay his/her bills.
In the western democracies (where elections are free and fair), the residents pay taxes/SS contributions to the common pool, and the elected govt re-distributes the cash to its people according to socially and politically acceptable policies. If the people don&#039;t like the policies, the govt will be voted out in the next GE and systems will change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the govt wants to interfere with CPF monies, then the CPF contributions should be more correctly referred as tax or social security contributions; it&#8217;s no longer a personal savings account where one can withdraw the funds freely to pay his/her bills.<br />
In the western democracies (where elections are free and fair), the residents pay taxes/SS contributions to the common pool, and the elected govt re-distributes the cash to its people according to socially and politically acceptable policies. If the people don&#8217;t like the policies, the govt will be voted out in the next GE and systems will change.</p>
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		<title>By: brendaphua</title>
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		<dc:creator>brendaphua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 14:33:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The CPF is like the national bank. So like the bank the person in charge can change the interest rate ect according to the wishes of the people in charge. Hopefully those in charge are not corrupt and swindle off our money. I have no choice but be optimistic and hope that they are benevolent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The CPF is like the national bank. So like the bank the person in charge can change the interest rate ect according to the wishes of the people in charge. Hopefully those in charge are not corrupt and swindle off our money. I have no choice but be optimistic and hope that they are benevolent.</p>
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		<title>By: Laremy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laremy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:28:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In light of

&lt;blockquote&gt;Just because it is CPF funds, does Government have the right to decide how they should be spent on behalf of CPF members, even against the wishes of the members?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

isn&#039;t

&lt;blockquote&gt;Kew Kah Fatt Says:
September 28th, 2007 at 10:17 am

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very ironic?

Just because it is an irrelevant comment, does the moderator have the right to decide how it should be treated on behalf of the commentator, even against the wishes of the commentator?

For your response, please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In light of</p>
<blockquote><p>Just because it is CPF funds, does Government have the right to decide how they should be spent on behalf of CPF members, even against the wishes of the members?</p></blockquote>
<p>isn&#8217;t</p>
<blockquote><p>Kew Kah Fatt Says:<br />
September 28th, 2007 at 10:17 am</p>
<p>*Comments deleted by moderator for irrelevance.</p></blockquote>
<p>very ironic?</p>
<p>Just because it is an irrelevant comment, does the moderator have the right to decide how it should be treated on behalf of the commentator, even against the wishes of the commentator?</p>
<p>For your response, please.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wong</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alan Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 10:45:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I fully agree with Thomas.

What we have been taught in school is that any commercial transaction should be on the basis of &#039;willing buyer willing seller&#039;.

What if I disagree to join such a compulsory annuity insurance ,  would it be within my constitutional right to challenge the Govt for forcing me to procure something that is against my own free will,  even if it is for my very own good.

Maybe the Govt should clarify on what basis are they going to make it compulsory,  is it on the basis that they have just got 66% of the votes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I fully agree with Thomas.</p>
<p>What we have been taught in school is that any commercial transaction should be on the basis of &#8216;willing buyer willing seller&#8217;.</p>
<p>What if I disagree to join such a compulsory annuity insurance ,  would it be within my constitutional right to challenge the Govt for forcing me to procure something that is against my own free will,  even if it is for my very own good.</p>
<p>Maybe the Govt should clarify on what basis are they going to make it compulsory,  is it on the basis that they have just got 66% of the votes?</p>
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		<title>By: Pui Yee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pui Yee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:44:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You have got to give it to Chee Soon Juan for spotlighting on CPF years ago.

CPF is indeed a major tool with which the pappies use to control Singaporeans, together with HDB, ISD and TLC-linked monopolistic companies, just to name a few.

Now that we&#039;ve seen what an idiot our &quot;elected&quot; hip-hopper MP is, i can&#039;t wait for more &quot;words of wisdom&quot; from the next pappy mp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You have got to give it to Chee Soon Juan for spotlighting on CPF years ago.</p>
<p>CPF is indeed a major tool with which the pappies use to control Singaporeans, together with HDB, ISD and TLC-linked monopolistic companies, just to name a few.</p>
<p>Now that we&#8217;ve seen what an idiot our &#8220;elected&#8221; hip-hopper MP is, i can&#8217;t wait for more &#8220;words of wisdom&#8221; from the next pappy mp.</p>
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		<title>By: grant</title>
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		<dc:creator>grant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe the government is in control because they want citizens to have a sense of security when they grow older, and need not place a burden on the limiting workforce.
Imagine what happens to the money in the CPF when the government does not intervene, then the purpose of supporting the elderly through their remaining years is nullified.
Some may assume they would use the CPF prudently if allowed.
But most would spend it on material well-being instead of necessary healthcare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe the government is in control because they want citizens to have a sense of security when they grow older, and need not place a burden on the limiting workforce.<br />
Imagine what happens to the money in the CPF when the government does not intervene, then the purpose of supporting the elderly through their remaining years is nullified.<br />
Some may assume they would use the CPF prudently if allowed.<br />
But most would spend it on material well-being instead of necessary healthcare.</p>
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		<title>By: Kew Kah Fatt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kew Kah Fatt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: celluloidrealitys</title>
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		<dc:creator>celluloidrealitys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 02:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Every man has the basic autonomous right to deal with his property as he chooses.&quot;

Damned right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Every man has the basic autonomous right to deal with his property as he chooses.&#8221;</p>
<p>Damned right.</p>
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