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	<title>Comments on: TOC Exclusive: Otto Fong&#8217;s Open Letter</title>
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		<title>By: Kai</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-219257</link>
		<dc:creator>Kai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:36:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why are we looking at gays so differently? What&#039;s so wrong about them? Is it that once you&#039;re a gay you are not human anymore? NO! I don&#039;t think so. Does gender matter so much? What&#039;s the most important is that at least they found they&#039;re happiness isn&#039;t it? So stop treating them like they&#039;re abnormal cause they&#039;re not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why are we looking at gays so differently? What&#8217;s so wrong about them? Is it that once you&#8217;re a gay you are not human anymore? NO! I don&#8217;t think so. Does gender matter so much? What&#8217;s the most important is that at least they found they&#8217;re happiness isn&#8217;t it? So stop treating them like they&#8217;re abnormal cause they&#8217;re not.</p>
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		<title>By: Zoroukah &#8211; Pink Dot – hope of a more inclusive, open-minded Singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zoroukah &#8211; Pink Dot – hope of a more inclusive, open-minded Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 15:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Otto Fong was formerly a teacher in Raffles Institution who came out openly in 2007 to to say that he is gay. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Pink Dot &#8211; hope of a more inclusive, open-minded Singapore &#124; The Online Citizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-214416</link>
		<dc:creator>Pink Dot &#8211; hope of a more inclusive, open-minded Singapore &#124; The Online Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Jun 2011 06:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Otto Fong was formerly a teacher in Raffles Institution who came out openly in 2007 to to say that he is gay. [...]</description>
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		<title>By: coffee maker reviews</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-198294</link>
		<dc:creator>coffee maker reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 May 2011 11:58:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Have you ever thought about creating an ebook or guest authoring on other websites? I have a blog based upon on the same topics you discuss and would love to have you share some stories/information. I know my viewers would value your work. If you are even remotely interested, feel free to send me an email.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Have you ever thought about creating an ebook or guest authoring on other websites? I have a blog based upon on the same topics you discuss and would love to have you share some stories/information. I know my viewers would value your work. If you are even remotely interested, feel free to send me an email.</p>
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		<title>By: Marx Vicini</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-197618</link>
		<dc:creator>Marx Vicini</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 15:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello! This post couldn&#039;t be written any better! Reading through this post reminds me of my good old room mate! He always kept talking about this. I will forward this page to him. Fairly certain he will have a good read. Thank you for sharing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello! This post couldn&#8217;t be written any better! Reading through this post reminds me of my good old room mate! He always kept talking about this. I will forward this page to him. Fairly certain he will have a good read. Thank you for sharing!</p>
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		<title>By: ling zhi reviews</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-197151</link>
		<dc:creator>ling zhi reviews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 May 2011 04:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A question, can potentially i i implore you to get in touch with yourself on facebook?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A question, can potentially i i implore you to get in touch with yourself on facebook?</p>
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		<title>By: sigmundringeck</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-163724</link>
		<dc:creator>sigmundringeck</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Oct 2010 05:41:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Homosexuality is a genetic abberation, partially genetic, partially environmental, in different intensity with different individuals. Some ppl may be weakly gay, some strongly gay.

We could define it as a mental disorder, as it was indeed in the past before gay interest groups got it changed.

However, we want gays to lead happy and satisfying lives, and since they can&#039;t be cured, then we should tolerate them, even though the vast majority find their behaviour disgusting. That&#039;s just biological, a automatic reaction by most straight ppl, and gays should not get upset abt it since they use the same excuse to justify their gayness.

I&#039;ve always felt gays should be allowed to marry but we should not force churches and temples to accept their marriages under threat of legal and societal punishment as many militant gays desire so strongly. Gays should not turn from the oppressed into the oppressor, as many militant and extreme gays are doing so now. 

Also militant gays should not try to promote their idealogy marxist-style into schools, societal organisations and political organisations and then whine and complain when ppl criticise and resist them.

Gays are abnormal, but we should tolerate them and help them live happy lives as long as they do not try to oppress the rest of society.

Cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Homosexuality is a genetic abberation, partially genetic, partially environmental, in different intensity with different individuals. Some ppl may be weakly gay, some strongly gay.</p>
<p>We could define it as a mental disorder, as it was indeed in the past before gay interest groups got it changed.</p>
<p>However, we want gays to lead happy and satisfying lives, and since they can&#8217;t be cured, then we should tolerate them, even though the vast majority find their behaviour disgusting. That&#8217;s just biological, a automatic reaction by most straight ppl, and gays should not get upset abt it since they use the same excuse to justify their gayness.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always felt gays should be allowed to marry but we should not force churches and temples to accept their marriages under threat of legal and societal punishment as many militant gays desire so strongly. Gays should not turn from the oppressed into the oppressor, as many militant and extreme gays are doing so now. </p>
<p>Also militant gays should not try to promote their idealogy marxist-style into schools, societal organisations and political organisations and then whine and complain when ppl criticise and resist them.</p>
<p>Gays are abnormal, but we should tolerate them and help them live happy lives as long as they do not try to oppress the rest of society.</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Of Bunnies And Blogs. &#171; safe in a crazy world</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-16706</link>
		<dc:creator>Of Bunnies And Blogs. &#171; safe in a crazy world</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Aug 2008 02:05:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] teaching at RI anymore. he came out via an open letter on his blog. you can read a copy of it here at the Online Citizen. Talking about Otto Fong, he is an accomplished comic artist. he created the [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] teaching at RI anymore. he came out via an open letter on his blog. you can read a copy of it here at the Online Citizen. Talking about Otto Fong, he is an accomplished comic artist. he created the [...]</p>
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		<title>By: cubo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-2346</link>
		<dc:creator>cubo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yo Otto,

I am straight, what you have done already made you the best teacher!!!! better than alot of straight!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yo Otto,</p>
<p>I am straight, what you have done already made you the best teacher!!!! better than alot of straight!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Rob and Jennifer Burman</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-5/#comment-2345</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob and Jennifer Burman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Dec 2007 01:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dearest Otto,
We have had the pleasure of your friendship since China 1996, and you have always proved to be a very professional and careing person. Your dedication to humanity and the world around you is paramount to herds of humanity that don&#039;t even open thier eyes to that which surrounds them. Your artistry, your belief in the human soul, your strength in self are all a testimony to the rare and divine individual that you are. Every student with half a whit in their brain could benefit from your moral tensel alone. We salute you and wish your road to smooth out from the social ruts that have thus prevailed. May you live long and have many successes that fulfill your soul.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dearest Otto,<br />
We have had the pleasure of your friendship since China 1996, and you have always proved to be a very professional and careing person. Your dedication to humanity and the world around you is paramount to herds of humanity that don&#8217;t even open thier eyes to that which surrounds them. Your artistry, your belief in the human soul, your strength in self are all a testimony to the rare and divine individual that you are. Every student with half a whit in their brain could benefit from your moral tensel alone. We salute you and wish your road to smooth out from the social ruts that have thus prevailed. May you live long and have many successes that fulfill your soul.</p>
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		<title>By: JoyToKnow</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-4/#comment-2344</link>
		<dc:creator>JoyToKnow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Oct 2007 07:01:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good To Know everyone comes out being totally or Much more of their sexual identities.for this is much healthier and Not allowing yourself to mental disruption.for this is true,and we all will be of a kinder better people towards each other in our societies everywhere we go.Thats where HE made us,allow us to be different to be respected,Treated Equally for we all contribute donate equally to our people or neighbours next to us From our every each Diversed talents and strengths;we learn from each other to be a better ONE People,Much better If around the globe whereever we go.
doesnt everyone agrees?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good To Know everyone comes out being totally or Much more of their sexual identities.for this is much healthier and Not allowing yourself to mental disruption.for this is true,and we all will be of a kinder better people towards each other in our societies everywhere we go.Thats where HE made us,allow us to be different to be respected,Treated Equally for we all contribute donate equally to our people or neighbours next to us From our every each Diversed talents and strengths;we learn from each other to be a better ONE People,Much better If around the globe whereever we go.<br />
doesnt everyone agrees?</p>
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		<title>By: Shi Jie</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-4/#comment-2343</link>
		<dc:creator>Shi Jie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Oct 2007 17:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Mr Fong,

you are a brave guy, an excellent teacher and a superb artist. I will always stand up for you!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mr Fong,</p>
<p>you are a brave guy, an excellent teacher and a superb artist. I will always stand up for you!!</p>
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		<title>By: sieteocho</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-4/#comment-2341</link>
		<dc:creator>sieteocho</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you don&#039;t see how homosexuals get hurt by your attitudes towards them (but then again you know you get hurt by my attitude towards you - I don&#039;t understand how you think). I explain why there are big holes in your logic and you don&#039;t get it.

I mean those young people who made up their minds shouldn&#039;t make up their minds because they were being influenced by homosexuals? But you just said that it&#039;s up to how society thinks. It seems like it&#039;s important that we listen to how society thinks so long as society thinks the same way that you do, so long as they don&#039;t get influenced by the &quot;wrong&quot; people.

And homosexuals are not that way because they are &quot;in front&quot;. It is not fashion. They are like that because they are born that way. Like I enjoy putting my dick in the same hole where the baby comes out because I was born that way. And there&#039;s nothing modern about homosexuality, if our morals are evolved over centuries why shouldn&#039;t we be like the Greeks 2000 years ago who didn&#039;t see anything wrong with that? It is traditional.

It&#039;s not OK for people with your kind of attitude to go wandering around because you are a menace to society. That&#039;s why I am patient with you but you abuse my kindness!

And once more it&#039;s not about what I think. I always back up what I think with reasons. It is not arbitrary, my whim and fancy. People get hurt when they&#039;re discriminated against.

&quot;i never said “homosexuality is wrong because some homosexuals are promiscuous”. kindly quote where i’ve used those words.&quot;

- &quot;how do you know all homosexuality sex comes with emotional commitment? there are also homosexuals who pay banghras to bang their backside right? where is the emotional commitment then? so homosexuals who pay banghras for sex are exhibiting animal behaviour?&quot;

So do you think I am gay or not? Because earlier on you said &quot;you gays&quot; to me so it&#039;s very confusing whether you get it or not.

I never said that you are hurting me by the way. I don&#039;t lie in bed getting angry over murderers, rapists and homophobes. I just think that they should get locked up, that&#039;s all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you don&#8217;t see how homosexuals get hurt by your attitudes towards them (but then again you know you get hurt by my attitude towards you &#8211; I don&#8217;t understand how you think). I explain why there are big holes in your logic and you don&#8217;t get it.</p>
<p>I mean those young people who made up their minds shouldn&#8217;t make up their minds because they were being influenced by homosexuals? But you just said that it&#8217;s up to how society thinks. It seems like it&#8217;s important that we listen to how society thinks so long as society thinks the same way that you do, so long as they don&#8217;t get influenced by the &#8220;wrong&#8221; people.</p>
<p>And homosexuals are not that way because they are &#8220;in front&#8221;. It is not fashion. They are like that because they are born that way. Like I enjoy putting my dick in the same hole where the baby comes out because I was born that way. And there&#8217;s nothing modern about homosexuality, if our morals are evolved over centuries why shouldn&#8217;t we be like the Greeks 2000 years ago who didn&#8217;t see anything wrong with that? It is traditional.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not OK for people with your kind of attitude to go wandering around because you are a menace to society. That&#8217;s why I am patient with you but you abuse my kindness!</p>
<p>And once more it&#8217;s not about what I think. I always back up what I think with reasons. It is not arbitrary, my whim and fancy. People get hurt when they&#8217;re discriminated against.</p>
<p>&#8220;i never said “homosexuality is wrong because some homosexuals are promiscuous”. kindly quote where i’ve used those words.&#8221;</p>
<p>- &#8220;how do you know all homosexuality sex comes with emotional commitment? there are also homosexuals who pay banghras to bang their backside right? where is the emotional commitment then? so homosexuals who pay banghras for sex are exhibiting animal behaviour?&#8221;</p>
<p>So do you think I am gay or not? Because earlier on you said &#8220;you gays&#8221; to me so it&#8217;s very confusing whether you get it or not.</p>
<p>I never said that you are hurting me by the way. I don&#8217;t lie in bed getting angry over murderers, rapists and homophobes. I just think that they should get locked up, that&#8217;s all.</p>
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		<title>By: S.</title>
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		<dc:creator>S.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Here&#039;s another blog reply i found...

http://p_eppermint.livejournal.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here&#8217;s another blog reply i found&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://p_eppermint.livejournal.com" rel="nofollow">http://p_eppermint.livejournal.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: Megachurches and Homosexuality &#171; Winter Is Coming</title>
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		<dc:creator>Megachurches and Homosexuality &#171; Winter Is Coming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 03:40:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] This is rather interesting as it coincides with another issue; namely the spotlight on homosexuals. The spot light on homosexuals arose as a result of Mr Lee Kuan Yew&#8217;s comment that the unlamented Section 377A (or lamented; depends on whose perspective you come from) would have to go. This brought about a flurry of chest beating and cries from the fundamentalists ranging from academics and the common man in the street. Then you had the revocation of Prof. Douglas Sanders license to speak in Singapore, the ban of a picnic in the Botanic gardens, police filming a run at the Singapore river and Otto Fong&#8217;s coming out. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] This is rather interesting as it coincides with another issue; namely the spotlight on homosexuals. The spot light on homosexuals arose as a result of Mr Lee Kuan Yew&#8217;s comment that the unlamented Section 377A (or lamented; depends on whose perspective you come from) would have to go. This brought about a flurry of chest beating and cries from the fundamentalists ranging from academics and the common man in the street. Then you had the revocation of Prof. Douglas Sanders license to speak in Singapore, the ban of a picnic in the Botanic gardens, police filming a run at the Singapore river and Otto Fong&#8217;s coming out. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Raeal &#187; Homosexuality</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-4/#comment-2342</link>
		<dc:creator>Raeal &#187; Homosexuality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Sep 2007 08:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/10/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/ [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/10/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/" rel="nofollow">http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/10/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: WeiHan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2007/09/toc-exclusive-otto-fongs-open-letter/comment-page-4/#comment-2332</link>
		<dc:creator>WeiHan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 17:38:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Truly Singapore,

I have read your posts and I agree that they are inconsistent and you still owe everybody a reason.

For example, you said &quot;i have said so many times. you still insist that i give a reason for my distaste for coffee?&quot;

You need not give a reason for your distaste for coffee but at least you should support that drinking coffee not be encoded as a criminal offense in the book just like 377a. Yes. Then of course you are straight and can continue to have a distaste for homosexual sex. However, do note that some curious straights like to try homosexual sex.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Truly Singapore,</p>
<p>I have read your posts and I agree that they are inconsistent and you still owe everybody a reason.</p>
<p>For example, you said &#8220;i have said so many times. you still insist that i give a reason for my distaste for coffee?&#8221;</p>
<p>You need not give a reason for your distaste for coffee but at least you should support that drinking coffee not be encoded as a criminal offense in the book just like 377a. Yes. Then of course you are straight and can continue to have a distaste for homosexual sex. However, do note that some curious straights like to try homosexual sex.</p>
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		<title>By: truly singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>truly singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>you have said so right from the beginning you are not gay.  you do not have to keep repeating it.

i get annoyed and irritated not because you tell me your feeling about homosexuals.  i get irritated and annoyed because you keep going through the same points over and over again, non-stop.  worse still, i have to repeat the same story not just to you but to a few others too.  why can&#039;t you fellows just read one another&#039;s postings and refrain from repetition?

i say once more i am not discriminating against them and they are not being discriminated either.

it doesn&#039;t matter what you think of me for you are not god who decides who sins and who does not.

i still do not find any concrete evidence of how what i say leads to hurt.  you say something i don&#039;t agree.  i reply in kind and you say i am hurting you.  i hurt you just because i told you flatly i don&#039;t agree with what you&#039;re saying?

come on, you said so yourself people who disapprove of homosexuals are &#039;backward&#039; while people like you are &#039;infront&#039;.  you see someone in outrageous fashion on the street you&#039;d take a second look right?  that&#039;s what you get for being &#039;infront&#039; and for being different, right?  people enjoy being &#039;infront&#039; don&#039;t they?  otherwise they wouldn&#039;t do it, would they?

i never said &quot;homosexuality is wrong because some homosexuals are promiscuous&quot;.  kindly quote where i&#039;ve used those words.

if you can accept homosexuality but you cannot accept promiscuity, then aren&#039;t you being selective about what you choose to accept and what you choose not to?  so if you are choosing and i&#039;m also choosing, who is to say your choice is right and my choice is wrong?  so you see, at the end of the day, we all have different opinions so we need a universal barometer.  that standard would be that of society&#039;s.

i don&#039;t define homosexuality as lewd.  i&#039;m only saying, in the context of what is or is not acceptable to society, both lewdness and homosexuality are frowned upon so when an individual decides one is good but not the other, then who is he to prevent another from saying both are good or both are wrong?

you think bestiality is wrong yet homosexuality is right.  yet i see them equally wrong.  the 18 year old girl seems to suggest they are both acceptable.  at least she&#039;s being consistent in her logic whereas you are arbitrary.

come on, who says i did not address your concerns.  how many thousand times you want to make me repeat myself?  i have my convictions and i will say them.  but up to a point i would say, i cannot change what society thinks, i should respect society&#039;s choice, i still have a right to my own opinion and i will continue to live my life based on my principles.  but i will not insist that society conforms to my whims and fancies.  who am i?  god?

please use a little common sense to digest what i just said.  spend some time please.  it is not contradictory.

i have said so many times.  you still insist that i give a reason for my distaste for coffee?

if you still can&#039;t accept it, so be it.  i shan&#039;t explain further as i think i&#039;ve entertained you enough.

you sound like you were 10 years ago.

yes they will make a stand.  but do you think if they had been taught by a different teacher they would not have made a different stance?

it has been a long conversation with you.  you appear incapable of accepting an argument.  when you don&#039;t agree with a statement but have no counter arguments to it, you simply say you cannot accept it.  if you adopt that position, there&#039;s nothing more that i can say.

and so my argument ends here.


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>you have said so right from the beginning you are not gay.  you do not have to keep repeating it.</p>
<p>i get annoyed and irritated not because you tell me your feeling about homosexuals.  i get irritated and annoyed because you keep going through the same points over and over again, non-stop.  worse still, i have to repeat the same story not just to you but to a few others too.  why can&#8217;t you fellows just read one another&#8217;s postings and refrain from repetition?</p>
<p>i say once more i am not discriminating against them and they are not being discriminated either.</p>
<p>it doesn&#8217;t matter what you think of me for you are not god who decides who sins and who does not.</p>
<p>i still do not find any concrete evidence of how what i say leads to hurt.  you say something i don&#8217;t agree.  i reply in kind and you say i am hurting you.  i hurt you just because i told you flatly i don&#8217;t agree with what you&#8217;re saying?</p>
<p>come on, you said so yourself people who disapprove of homosexuals are &#8216;backward&#8217; while people like you are &#8216;infront&#8217;.  you see someone in outrageous fashion on the street you&#8217;d take a second look right?  that&#8217;s what you get for being &#8216;infront&#8217; and for being different, right?  people enjoy being &#8216;infront&#8217; don&#8217;t they?  otherwise they wouldn&#8217;t do it, would they?</p>
<p>i never said &#8220;homosexuality is wrong because some homosexuals are promiscuous&#8221;.  kindly quote where i&#8217;ve used those words.</p>
<p>if you can accept homosexuality but you cannot accept promiscuity, then aren&#8217;t you being selective about what you choose to accept and what you choose not to?  so if you are choosing and i&#8217;m also choosing, who is to say your choice is right and my choice is wrong?  so you see, at the end of the day, we all have different opinions so we need a universal barometer.  that standard would be that of society&#8217;s.</p>
<p>i don&#8217;t define homosexuality as lewd.  i&#8217;m only saying, in the context of what is or is not acceptable to society, both lewdness and homosexuality are frowned upon so when an individual decides one is good but not the other, then who is he to prevent another from saying both are good or both are wrong?</p>
<p>you think bestiality is wrong yet homosexuality is right.  yet i see them equally wrong.  the 18 year old girl seems to suggest they are both acceptable.  at least she&#8217;s being consistent in her logic whereas you are arbitrary.</p>
<p>come on, who says i did not address your concerns.  how many thousand times you want to make me repeat myself?  i have my convictions and i will say them.  but up to a point i would say, i cannot change what society thinks, i should respect society&#8217;s choice, i still have a right to my own opinion and i will continue to live my life based on my principles.  but i will not insist that society conforms to my whims and fancies.  who am i?  god?</p>
<p>please use a little common sense to digest what i just said.  spend some time please.  it is not contradictory.</p>
<p>i have said so many times.  you still insist that i give a reason for my distaste for coffee?</p>
<p>if you still can&#8217;t accept it, so be it.  i shan&#8217;t explain further as i think i&#8217;ve entertained you enough.</p>
<p>you sound like you were 10 years ago.</p>
<p>yes they will make a stand.  but do you think if they had been taught by a different teacher they would not have made a different stance?</p>
<p>it has been a long conversation with you.  you appear incapable of accepting an argument.  when you don&#8217;t agree with a statement but have no counter arguments to it, you simply say you cannot accept it.  if you adopt that position, there&#8217;s nothing more that i can say.</p>
<p>and so my argument ends here.</p>
<p>thank you</p>
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		<title>By: truly singapore</title>
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		<dc:creator>truly singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 03:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hello mitch,

i do not agree.  i often see female pairs that are obivously together with one of them dressed up like a man.  so if female pairs today have no qualms showing they are in love, i don&#039;t see why male pairs have any inhibitions.  they probably can&#039;t be bothered since falling in live is a private thing isn&#039;t it?

yes they can&#039;t be married but they can cohabit and are not prevented from homosexuality.

what exactly is it that they want to do in public that they are prevented from doing?

they may not be accepted socially but nothing untoward happens to them.

i&#039;m not so sure if they&#039;re disgusted the shit, my opinion is that people can&#039;t be bothered or they are curious.

you say the black may be killed if people now they&#039;re in love with whites.  do you actually see homosexuals being threatened and getting killed here?  are you sure you&#039;re not making all these up?

what is it that the black and white couple have that the homosexual couple today does not have?  apart from marriage and associated stuff that is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hello mitch,</p>
<p>i do not agree.  i often see female pairs that are obivously together with one of them dressed up like a man.  so if female pairs today have no qualms showing they are in love, i don&#8217;t see why male pairs have any inhibitions.  they probably can&#8217;t be bothered since falling in live is a private thing isn&#8217;t it?</p>
<p>yes they can&#8217;t be married but they can cohabit and are not prevented from homosexuality.</p>
<p>what exactly is it that they want to do in public that they are prevented from doing?</p>
<p>they may not be accepted socially but nothing untoward happens to them.</p>
<p>i&#8217;m not so sure if they&#8217;re disgusted the shit, my opinion is that people can&#8217;t be bothered or they are curious.</p>
<p>you say the black may be killed if people now they&#8217;re in love with whites.  do you actually see homosexuals being threatened and getting killed here?  are you sure you&#8217;re not making all these up?</p>
<p>what is it that the black and white couple have that the homosexual couple today does not have?  apart from marriage and associated stuff that is?</p>
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		<title>By: ponder</title>
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		<dc:creator>ponder</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Sep 2007 02:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It seems that most of the discussions about homosexuality is among &quot;outsiders&quot;. Even the most ardent supporters of homosexuality eventually pop up and say that &quot;I support gays, nothing wrong with it, but I am straight&quot;. This is turning out to be a philosophical debate.


Siteocho,
&gt;&gt;&gt;Pls note that I have always been referring to gay people as “them”. The reason is simple: I am not one of them.&lt;&lt;&lt;

If one wants to be pedantic, your statement can be construed as discriminatory towards gays. Of course I know you don&#039;t mean it, but this is what I mean by the discussion getting &quot;philosophical&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It seems that most of the discussions about homosexuality is among &#8220;outsiders&#8221;. Even the most ardent supporters of homosexuality eventually pop up and say that &#8220;I support gays, nothing wrong with it, but I am straight&#8221;. This is turning out to be a philosophical debate.</p>
<p>Siteocho,<br />
&gt;&gt;&gt;Pls note that I have always been referring to gay people as “them”. The reason is simple: I am not one of them.&lt;&lt;&lt;</p>
<p>If one wants to be pedantic, your statement can be construed as discriminatory towards gays. Of course I know you don&#8217;t mean it, but this is what I mean by the discussion getting &#8220;philosophical&#8221;.</p>
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