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	<title>Comments on: $2.8bil surplus a year, and can’t afford $300 a month for some destitute 85 year olds?</title>
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		<title>By: achtung</title>
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		<dc:creator>achtung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 May 2010 04:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>EPL is price higher than destitutes</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>EPL is price higher than destitutes</p>
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		<title>By: LPPL</title>
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		<dc:creator>LPPL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Nov 2007 16:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>money want to take .public&#039;s problem push it back to them.kiasi and kiasu. self proclaim elite of the nation. want to play god. hypocrite.wolf in sheep skin. guess who?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>money want to take .public&#8217;s problem push it back to them.kiasi and kiasu. self proclaim elite of the nation. want to play god. hypocrite.wolf in sheep skin. guess who?</p>
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		<title>By: AFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>AFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Nov 2007 23:47:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gahmen just waiting for them to die lar.
now just take some pple complaining, give some replies, eventually in 10 yrs or so, these old pple die liao, no problem liao wad.
then the communist theories will take full action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gahmen just waiting for them to die lar.<br />
now just take some pple complaining, give some replies, eventually in 10 yrs or so, these old pple die liao, no problem liao wad.<br />
then the communist theories will take full action.</p>
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		<title>By: James L</title>
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		<dc:creator>James L</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Zactie.

The government defines &#039;Destitute&#039; as those that cannot work and have no relatives to help them out. The number of such people are very small and certainly not the 700,000 you project in the future. It was calculated and brought up in parliament that to increase the $300 so that it can provide 3 meals a day to these &#039;Destitute&#039; would cost less in total than the salary increase of one Minister.

To which, our honorable V. Balakrishnan replied &#039;You want them to eat in food court, hawker center, or restaurant&#039;

Of course this being Singapore, no rebuttal was allowed to be aired on V.Bala&#039;s nonsensical and immature statement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Zactie.</p>
<p>The government defines &#8216;Destitute&#8217; as those that cannot work and have no relatives to help them out. The number of such people are very small and certainly not the 700,000 you project in the future. It was calculated and brought up in parliament that to increase the $300 so that it can provide 3 meals a day to these &#8216;Destitute&#8217; would cost less in total than the salary increase of one Minister.</p>
<p>To which, our honorable V. Balakrishnan replied &#8216;You want them to eat in food court, hawker center, or restaurant&#8217;</p>
<p>Of course this being Singapore, no rebuttal was allowed to be aired on V.Bala&#8217;s nonsensical and immature statement.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert HO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2007 03:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RH:
1.  Excellent observation, FamilyMan, that FORCING THE OLD TO COLLECT USED CARDBOARD FOR A LIVING IS AS &#039;CRIMINAL&#039; AS FORCING CHILD LABOUR.  Thanks for this Observation of the Day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RH:<br />
1.  Excellent observation, FamilyMan, that FORCING THE OLD TO COLLECT USED CARDBOARD FOR A LIVING IS AS &#8216;CRIMINAL&#8217; AS FORCING CHILD LABOUR.  Thanks for this Observation of the Day.</p>
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		<title>By: familyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>familyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2007 02:17:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Mr Leong and Mr Yeo.
Keep pushing the envelope so that our Ministers will grow a better heart. Personally I am tired reading all these posts which glaringly shows the problems with the aged poor and structural problems within- and the govt giving stock answers that makes no sense to me - if they choose to answer at all. I pray that PAP will give a better budget skewed towards helping its citizens, and make working adults - those above 70 -collecting cardboards -  a crime like Child Labour laws. I agree we are not poor like our neighbouring countries, but I know we can do so much more, without invoking the oft mentioned - &#039;depleting the reserves&#039;. Thanks again to both of you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Mr Leong and Mr Yeo.<br />
Keep pushing the envelope so that our Ministers will grow a better heart. Personally I am tired reading all these posts which glaringly shows the problems with the aged poor and structural problems within- and the govt giving stock answers that makes no sense to me &#8211; if they choose to answer at all. I pray that PAP will give a better budget skewed towards helping its citizens, and make working adults &#8211; those above 70 -collecting cardboards &#8211;  a crime like Child Labour laws. I agree we are not poor like our neighbouring countries, but I know we can do so much more, without invoking the oft mentioned &#8211; &#8216;depleting the reserves&#8217;. Thanks again to both of you!</p>
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		<title>By: Zactie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zactie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 16:21:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;No free lunch, remember? So, when they do give you a pittance, you are expected to grovel in gratitude. Also, this arbitrary giving can be withdrawn any time which will not be the case if it becomes an entitlement or our dues.&quot;

I think they should go retraining, i know that NTUC pays 80% of subsidy for the lower incomes to retrain so they can get a job more easily. But for those handicapped, i need to think first yea? I hope that the RC&#039;s do something, such as promoting events and fairs to raise funds, as well to create awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;No free lunch, remember? So, when they do give you a pittance, you are expected to grovel in gratitude. Also, this arbitrary giving can be withdrawn any time which will not be the case if it becomes an entitlement or our dues.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think they should go retraining, i know that NTUC pays 80% of subsidy for the lower incomes to retrain so they can get a job more easily. But for those handicapped, i need to think first yea? I hope that the RC&#8217;s do something, such as promoting events and fairs to raise funds, as well to create awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: CDT</title>
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		<dc:creator>CDT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the richer ones will move to these big and expensive houses while the lower income will take the house they left. That is why Singapore’s government trying to build less two-room flats - because there are already plenty around.
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Have you actually checked the prices of resale HDB flats in the past year or so? The valuation of these flats have sky-rocketed causing the rise in the re-sale prices of the houses the &quot;richer ones&quot; have left behind.

I shifted from my previous 4-room in Clementi - a 20 plus year old flat that had gone through the IUP when I shifted in - a year and a half ago. The valuation of that flat when I sold it was the same as when I first bought the place (and I&#039;ve stayed there for the government requisite 5 years before I sold it).

My parents recently enquired the resale price of a flat in the same  block and the valuation alone had risen by some 40K!!!! And mind you, no upgrading of any sorts had taken place in the estate in the past 1 1/2years. Where is the reason / logic to increase the valuation by this much? How objective / valid are the valuations that are undertaken by the agents of HDB??

Tell me. How are the lower income folks going to afford these flats that&#039;ve been &quot;left behind&quot;??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the richer ones will move to these big and expensive houses while the lower income will take the house they left. That is why Singapore’s government trying to build less two-room flats &#8211; because there are already plenty around.<br />
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<p>Have you actually checked the prices of resale HDB flats in the past year or so? The valuation of these flats have sky-rocketed causing the rise in the re-sale prices of the houses the &#8220;richer ones&#8221; have left behind.</p>
<p>I shifted from my previous 4-room in Clementi &#8211; a 20 plus year old flat that had gone through the IUP when I shifted in &#8211; a year and a half ago. The valuation of that flat when I sold it was the same as when I first bought the place (and I&#8217;ve stayed there for the government requisite 5 years before I sold it).</p>
<p>My parents recently enquired the resale price of a flat in the same  block and the valuation alone had risen by some 40K!!!! And mind you, no upgrading of any sorts had taken place in the estate in the past 1 1/2years. Where is the reason / logic to increase the valuation by this much? How objective / valid are the valuations that are undertaken by the agents of HDB??</p>
<p>Tell me. How are the lower income folks going to afford these flats that&#8217;ve been &#8220;left behind&#8221;??</p>
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		<title>By: Zactie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zactie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:28:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with your point.

However, seen the upcoming energy tapping technology research and the investment in other countries? I know it feels like, &quot;for what? investing without a sense of care for our citizens?&quot;. But with growth in economics will bring in more revenue for the needy citizens. Also, I appeal to your point of providing $300 a month for some destitute 85 year olds. Let the government calculate alright? Cause in the coming 10 years, there will be 700,000 or more elderly around in Singapore. Which means 700,000 x $300.. you can calculate yourself, why government does want to implement this scheme now, or in the future it will be like the health care service that happened in British few decades back.

Anyway, you can consult the government in this case. I personaly think that it is not wrong to do so.

Building high rise building is to cater the richer ones, the richer ones will move to these big and expensive houses while the lower income will take the house they left. That is why Singapore&#039;s government trying to build less two-room flats - because there are already plenty around. Unless that the lower income wants to buy a new one, that will be a problem. Actually in my opinion, government has a point in this building more &#039;4 room or more flats&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with your point.</p>
<p>However, seen the upcoming energy tapping technology research and the investment in other countries? I know it feels like, &#8220;for what? investing without a sense of care for our citizens?&#8221;. But with growth in economics will bring in more revenue for the needy citizens. Also, I appeal to your point of providing $300 a month for some destitute 85 year olds. Let the government calculate alright? Cause in the coming 10 years, there will be 700,000 or more elderly around in Singapore. Which means 700,000 x $300.. you can calculate yourself, why government does want to implement this scheme now, or in the future it will be like the health care service that happened in British few decades back.</p>
<p>Anyway, you can consult the government in this case. I personaly think that it is not wrong to do so.</p>
<p>Building high rise building is to cater the richer ones, the richer ones will move to these big and expensive houses while the lower income will take the house they left. That is why Singapore&#8217;s government trying to build less two-room flats &#8211; because there are already plenty around. Unless that the lower income wants to buy a new one, that will be a problem. Actually in my opinion, government has a point in this building more &#8217;4 room or more flats&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert HO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:11:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No free lunch, remember?  So, when they do give you a pittance, you are expected to grovel in gratitude.  Also, this arbitrary giving can be withdrawn any time which will not be the case if it becomes an entitlement or our dues.

Excellent work, TOC, for this piece of research.  You have become the default news website for thinking Singaporeans.  Readers interested in my works can click on my name above.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No free lunch, remember?  So, when they do give you a pittance, you are expected to grovel in gratitude.  Also, this arbitrary giving can be withdrawn any time which will not be the case if it becomes an entitlement or our dues.</p>
<p>Excellent work, TOC, for this piece of research.  You have become the default news website for thinking Singaporeans.  Readers interested in my works can click on my name above.</p>
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