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		<title>By: Xenophobia’s getting a little stale, don’t you think? &#171; Lady in the Mirror</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xenophobia’s getting a little stale, don’t you think? &#171; Lady in the Mirror</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Aug 2011 07:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] In 2008, the local police made a stunning statement: Foreigners are not allowed to complain in Singapore. So they were booted out of the Complaints Choir which originated from UK but has since made its rounds internationally as its popularity caught on. (read here) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] In 2008, the local police made a stunning statement: Foreigners are not allowed to complain in Singapore. So they were booted out of the Complaints Choir which originated from UK but has since made its rounds internationally as its popularity caught on. (read here) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: muzz</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4468</link>
		<dc:creator>muzz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:50:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im a caucasian aussie living here due to my dads work. i admire your government for taking this tact with those foriegners, it is not their country, they are here by privellege and as such should respect the law of the land. i only wish the aussie government would be the same in its handling of immigrants and they like who try and impose their social beliefs/mores/practices upon us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im a caucasian aussie living here due to my dads work. i admire your government for taking this tact with those foriegners, it is not their country, they are here by privellege and as such should respect the law of the land. i only wish the aussie government would be the same in its handling of immigrants and they like who try and impose their social beliefs/mores/practices upon us.</p>
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		<title>By: CelluloidReality</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4447</link>
		<dc:creator>CelluloidReality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, if you think that person&#039;s remarks are the epitome of good sense and intelligence, by all means..

The rest of us will have a laugh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, if you think that person&#8217;s remarks are the epitome of good sense and intelligence, by all means..</p>
<p>The rest of us will have a laugh.</p>
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		<title>By: noone</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4445</link>
		<dc:creator>noone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_204195.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Straits Times&lt;/a&gt;: people support it so good reason for ban</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Online%2BStory/STIStory_204195.html" rel="nofollow">Straits Times</a>: people support it so good reason for ban</p>
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		<title>By: Steven</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4456</link>
		<dc:creator>Steven</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Feb 2008 08:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Even if citizen want to complain, they need a permit to do so. :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Even if citizen want to complain, they need a permit to do so. :(</p>
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		<title>By: Lee</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4451</link>
		<dc:creator>Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 14:29:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the police don&#039;t allow the foriegners or Singaporeans to protest, complain, or mass rallies.They said it&#039;s bad for our country.
Then..., i really need to question the police, go Geylang and have a look.Why are there so many foriegners illegal prositute doing illegal things but the police did not take a serious action on them?I called the police so many times but not much action had been done.So many illegal gambling den in Geylang, but did the police take any serious action on them?Or just yaya action?Seriously speaking, or of you should go Geylang and have a look and you will know our police are not doing their job.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the police don&#8217;t allow the foriegners or Singaporeans to protest, complain, or mass rallies.They said it&#8217;s bad for our country.<br />
Then&#8230;, i really need to question the police, go Geylang and have a look.Why are there so many foriegners illegal prositute doing illegal things but the police did not take a serious action on them?I called the police so many times but not much action had been done.So many illegal gambling den in Geylang, but did the police take any serious action on them?Or just yaya action?Seriously speaking, or of you should go Geylang and have a look and you will know our police are not doing their job.</p>
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		<title>By: lee</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4450</link>
		<dc:creator>lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:58:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now we know why the civil service top brass (ie Police, MDA etc),  staffed by pen pushing scholars are being paid such high salaries. They are more beholdened to the PAP govt than to the people . As such they are likely to protect their own backsides and golden ricebowl.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now we know why the civil service top brass (ie Police, MDA etc),  staffed by pen pushing scholars are being paid such high salaries. They are more beholdened to the PAP govt than to the people . As such they are likely to protect their own backsides and golden ricebowl.</p>
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		<title>By: CelluloidReality</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4449</link>
		<dc:creator>CelluloidReality</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 13:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It disgusts me that the government or some individual/group within the government chooses to emphasize and maintain this &quot;us vs them&quot; mentality when it comes to issues of opinion, culture and thought.

You increase the quota for foreign migrant workers, residents, yet you refuse them the right to perform a harmless song about what it means to live in Singapore.

And if that&#039;s not bad enough, you screw with us citizens and the international image of Singapore by playing such kindergarten games in inter-department turf wars.

It has happened before during the IMF-World Bank meetings, and it has happened again.These double-standards reek really bad of incompetency, lip service and hypocrisy when it comes to the macrocosm of national interests.

Have you fellows actually thought of the damage and costs that such childish actions have brought upon Singapore? You think you&#039;re doing good, but in fact, you&#039;re just bringing shame to the world.

We feel ashamed and aghast at headlines of every major news agency covering something so puerile as this.

If this is the kind of unsophisticated attempts at managing creativity and managing our grand narratives of national history, we don&#039;t need your talents and can kindly do without them.  then I have only two words to say.

Bugger off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It disgusts me that the government or some individual/group within the government chooses to emphasize and maintain this &#8220;us vs them&#8221; mentality when it comes to issues of opinion, culture and thought.</p>
<p>You increase the quota for foreign migrant workers, residents, yet you refuse them the right to perform a harmless song about what it means to live in Singapore.</p>
<p>And if that&#8217;s not bad enough, you screw with us citizens and the international image of Singapore by playing such kindergarten games in inter-department turf wars.</p>
<p>It has happened before during the IMF-World Bank meetings, and it has happened again.These double-standards reek really bad of incompetency, lip service and hypocrisy when it comes to the macrocosm of national interests.</p>
<p>Have you fellows actually thought of the damage and costs that such childish actions have brought upon Singapore? You think you&#8217;re doing good, but in fact, you&#8217;re just bringing shame to the world.</p>
<p>We feel ashamed and aghast at headlines of every major news agency covering something so puerile as this.</p>
<p>If this is the kind of unsophisticated attempts at managing creativity and managing our grand narratives of national history, we don&#8217;t need your talents and can kindly do without them.  then I have only two words to say.</p>
<p>Bugger off.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4446</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2008 07:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aygee,
look like MDA or MITA or the police try to cover their own backside. There is blalant lack of coordination between various government departments that inhibit the development of Singapore&#039;s vibrant culture.

I applaud MDA for allowing the choir to perform but thumb down to them in not fighting for the choir performance to continue. What is the point of having going to different channels just to ask for permit ? Is MDA just really function as a expensive censorship board with no power to authorize approval for performance ? Isn&#039;t this the world class government who claim efficiency ? So next time, you have to seek approval from MDA, and police or  whatever department that has any stake at risk. This only discourage people from trying thing because of so many red tapes and bullshit.

So is there a law to forbid a foreigner to participate and collaborate in ART work ?
If not, why are we emphasizing foreign talent so much and yet treat them no more than &#039;shit&#039; ? Any foreigner who work and contribute to the economy should be given voice and be allow to complain because it is human right. Complain forms the basis of needs. Without complain, do you think the government will buck up or even bother ?

Ask yourself, isn&#039;t some policies like increment of financial support the result of complain due to the poor ? Be constructive and it could takes years instead of weeks/months to implement help. This is how gracious our govt is.

Be mindful that this money-faced government is reactive and only respond to complain. It is only proactive if it makes and saves money for them. If there is no complain, they will assume the public agree to their policy. This is Singapore, land of Voiceless, therefore at least it is Land of Complain to keep thing under control to public.

People can choose to disagree but so far this is what I observe all along.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aygee,<br />
look like MDA or MITA or the police try to cover their own backside. There is blalant lack of coordination between various government departments that inhibit the development of Singapore&#8217;s vibrant culture.</p>
<p>I applaud MDA for allowing the choir to perform but thumb down to them in not fighting for the choir performance to continue. What is the point of having going to different channels just to ask for permit ? Is MDA just really function as a expensive censorship board with no power to authorize approval for performance ? Isn&#8217;t this the world class government who claim efficiency ? So next time, you have to seek approval from MDA, and police or  whatever department that has any stake at risk. This only discourage people from trying thing because of so many red tapes and bullshit.</p>
<p>So is there a law to forbid a foreigner to participate and collaborate in ART work ?<br />
If not, why are we emphasizing foreign talent so much and yet treat them no more than &#8216;shit&#8217; ? Any foreigner who work and contribute to the economy should be given voice and be allow to complain because it is human right. Complain forms the basis of needs. Without complain, do you think the government will buck up or even bother ?</p>
<p>Ask yourself, isn&#8217;t some policies like increment of financial support the result of complain due to the poor ? Be constructive and it could takes years instead of weeks/months to implement help. This is how gracious our govt is.</p>
<p>Be mindful that this money-faced government is reactive and only respond to complain. It is only proactive if it makes and saves money for them. If there is no complain, they will assume the public agree to their policy. This is Singapore, land of Voiceless, therefore at least it is Land of Complain to keep thing under control to public.</p>
<p>People can choose to disagree but so far this is what I observe all along.</p>
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		<title>By: You&#8217;re A Four-lettered Word Too! &#124; Little Rascal</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4461</link>
		<dc:creator>You&#8217;re A Four-lettered Word Too! &#124; Little Rascal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Jan 2008 09:44:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Singaporeans like to complain. And you, too, complain that foreigners are not allowed to complain. Just as you complain about Singaporeans complaining. Then again, you are Singaporean too, so [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Singaporeans like to complain. And you, too, complain that foreigners are not allowed to complain. Just as you complain about Singaporeans complaining. Then again, you are Singaporean too, so [...]</p>
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		<title>By: aygee</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4457</link>
		<dc:creator>aygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 12:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys, perhaps its not the Govt in this instance?

I bet what happened here was quite possibly an individual within the Police who&#039;s a bit over-zealous, because he wants to be seen as &quot;on the ball&quot;. someone who wants to score points? who has nothing better to do, and uses this to show he/she is doing something?

why we dont hear anything from MDA or MITA(or whatever dept that looks into Arts and Media)about this situation? why the police?

I remember reading Cherian George&#039;s book: Air-Conditioned Nation - a lot of rules and regulations in Singapore are quite vaguely written.

So much so that it&#039;s very open to different interpretations and the Police can simply shut things down and make interpretations that suit their needs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys, perhaps its not the Govt in this instance?</p>
<p>I bet what happened here was quite possibly an individual within the Police who&#8217;s a bit over-zealous, because he wants to be seen as &#8220;on the ball&#8221;. someone who wants to score points? who has nothing better to do, and uses this to show he/she is doing something?</p>
<p>why we dont hear anything from MDA or MITA(or whatever dept that looks into Arts and Media)about this situation? why the police?</p>
<p>I remember reading Cherian George&#8217;s book: Air-Conditioned Nation &#8211; a lot of rules and regulations in Singapore are quite vaguely written.</p>
<p>So much so that it&#8217;s very open to different interpretations and the Police can simply shut things down and make interpretations that suit their needs.</p>
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		<title>By: It ain&#8217;t over till the Complaints Choir sings (publicly) &#171; the world is thinking..</title>
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		<dc:creator>It ain&#8217;t over till the Complaints Choir sings (publicly) &#171; the world is thinking..</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 10:08:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] had sent in their lyrics for approval and were cleared by the MDA. An excellent follow-up article here by TOC as [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] had sent in their lyrics for approval and were cleared by the MDA. An excellent follow-up article here by TOC as [...]</p>
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		<title>By: A Better Title &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Complaints Choir of Singapore</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4458</link>
		<dc:creator>A Better Title &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Complaints Choir of Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Jan 2008 02:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] It was lucky that we got *ahem* invited (to quote from chillycraps) to the performance, since all public performances were cancelled as the police claimed that foreigners should not meddle in Singapore&#8217;s politics. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] It was lucky that we got *ahem* invited (to quote from chillycraps) to the performance, since all public performances were cancelled as the police claimed that foreigners should not meddle in Singapore&#8217;s politics. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: guojun</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/01/police-foreigners-not-allowed-to-complain/comment-page-1/#comment-4453</link>
		<dc:creator>guojun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 15:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps it would be best if people started performing spontaneously. Then there&#039;d be arrests and questioning no doubt, but message gotten across.  Think our MM will activate the SAF? haha...

Yes, we can see it happening already. Gahmen wants robots...because robots don&#039;t ask questions. In this aspect, Gahmen only relys on its far-sightedness to recruit gd people...in this aspect they are engineering their own downfall. You just have to see the scholarship selection criteria to know already. All you need is good results, good CCA, leadership positions.

Assuming people are good then ok lor. But megalomaniacs/charismatic dictators also have these qualities...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps it would be best if people started performing spontaneously. Then there&#8217;d be arrests and questioning no doubt, but message gotten across.  Think our MM will activate the SAF? haha&#8230;</p>
<p>Yes, we can see it happening already. Gahmen wants robots&#8230;because robots don&#8217;t ask questions. In this aspect, Gahmen only relys on its far-sightedness to recruit gd people&#8230;in this aspect they are engineering their own downfall. You just have to see the scholarship selection criteria to know already. All you need is good results, good CCA, leadership positions.</p>
<p>Assuming people are good then ok lor. But megalomaniacs/charismatic dictators also have these qualities&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: bunch of idiots</title>
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		<dc:creator>bunch of idiots</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:17:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can just picture the next parliament - some old Eunice Oleson and Mr Siew asking the same questions, and the same idiot Ho answering, &#039;oh, the police probably carried it too far but...&#039; Can you just see it??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can just picture the next parliament &#8211; some old Eunice Oleson and Mr Siew asking the same questions, and the same idiot Ho answering, &#8216;oh, the police probably carried it too far but&#8230;&#8217; Can you just see it??</p>
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		<title>By: insens</title>
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		<dc:creator>insens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:10:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FTs can work here. FTs can take up PRship. FTs can not serve NS.
FTs CANNOT complain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FTs can work here. FTs can take up PRship. FTs can not serve NS.<br />
FTs CANNOT complain.</p>
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		<title>By: Boon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Boon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Standard from SG Gov, control the masses. They want robots not people that have a point of view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Standard from SG Gov, control the masses. They want robots not people that have a point of view.</p>
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		<title>By: FirePhoenix1003</title>
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		<dc:creator>FirePhoenix1003</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 04:34:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those who followed procedures and apply permit, permission denied.

While the illegal cigarettes peddlers from a kampung of South Sulawesi are smarter. They don&#039;t ask for permit. The just swim into Singapore undetected, stayed in Singapore for months in the drain in Woodlands area to sell illegal cigarettes without being caught by our elite security forces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those who followed procedures and apply permit, permission denied.</p>
<p>While the illegal cigarettes peddlers from a kampung of South Sulawesi are smarter. They don&#8217;t ask for permit. The just swim into Singapore undetected, stayed in Singapore for months in the drain in Woodlands area to sell illegal cigarettes without being caught by our elite security forces.</p>
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		<title>By: Gary Teoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Teoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 03:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this government can not accept criticism,it is worst than a communist country</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this government can not accept criticism,it is worst than a communist country</p>
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		<title>By: otak69</title>
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		<dc:creator>otak69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jan 2008 02:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The police are just keeping their options open.

If foreigners are in a crowd concerned, would the police still be able to use their usual modus operandi on the locals with alternative views?

http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/pic-651d.jpg

http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/pic-651f.jpg

The police are just staving off a potential international PR disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The police are just keeping their options open.</p>
<p>If foreigners are in a crowd concerned, would the police still be able to use their usual modus operandi on the locals with alternative views?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/pic-651d.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/pic-651d.jpg</a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/pic-651f.jpg" rel="nofollow">http://www.yawningbread.org/arch_2006/pic-651f.jpg</a></p>
<p>The police are just staving off a potential international PR disaster.</p>
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