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		<title>By: XT</title>
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		<dc:creator>XT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jan 2010 16:57:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The island is run by the wrong people the but right Founder, the wrong cunning soul are inventing policy that will keep their property&#039;s worthy and those money laundering criminals protected in safe haven.

Draw first blood then make report to the police, I have seem and hear many story, never end these issue.

I give up just waiting to make my money and leave for somewhere which is not so safe but more good soul then over here these so call safe country and too much con and  cunning artist that spend time pissing and talks shite.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The island is run by the wrong people the but right Founder, the wrong cunning soul are inventing policy that will keep their property&#8217;s worthy and those money laundering criminals protected in safe haven.</p>
<p>Draw first blood then make report to the police, I have seem and hear many story, never end these issue.</p>
<p>I give up just waiting to make my money and leave for somewhere which is not so safe but more good soul then over here these so call safe country and too much con and  cunning artist that spend time pissing and talks shite.</p>
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		<title>By: Expected Analysis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Expected Analysis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:56:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My deep respect for you, Sze Hian, for rebutting our govt. over these issues. Singapore needs many more prominent people like you to raise issues and press for accountability. Only then, the majority pathetic citizens will rise from their slumber.

Singaporeans in general have been made to sacrifice for the benefit of the ruling party. The high cost of living is mandated by the govt.

Every aspect of our lives has been taxed directly and indirectly so that the annual surplus less govt expenditure will be to their credit; to showcase their capability and to justify their unjustifiable high pay.

Transforming govt into a business concept by offering performance bonus based on the economy and the related surplus on top of their already ill-justified pay, will only encourage the ministers and their entourage to devise more creative ways to tax the public, reduce subsidies and perpetuate the rise of property prices.

The US sub-prime crisis didn&#039;t happen overnight. It was a by-product of greed. Everyone in the financial services were encouraged to go all out to create business in any way possible. Extending credits and dishing out loans to just about anybody was the way to go. Record fat bonuses were handled out to CEOs, etc.

Our jobless rate may be at an all time low now. Problem is the pay and the pay rises cannot cope with
inflation and the associated cost of living in S&#039;pore. The problem is compounded by the massive influx of foreign workers which will depress the salaries of Singaporeans.

With the widening income gap, depressed salaries, high inflation, the prices of property is still being perked up by the govt. The best way to tie a Singaporean down is through debt.

As long as one remains in S&#039;pore, one will be taxed till one drops.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My deep respect for you, Sze Hian, for rebutting our govt. over these issues. Singapore needs many more prominent people like you to raise issues and press for accountability. Only then, the majority pathetic citizens will rise from their slumber.</p>
<p>Singaporeans in general have been made to sacrifice for the benefit of the ruling party. The high cost of living is mandated by the govt.</p>
<p>Every aspect of our lives has been taxed directly and indirectly so that the annual surplus less govt expenditure will be to their credit; to showcase their capability and to justify their unjustifiable high pay.</p>
<p>Transforming govt into a business concept by offering performance bonus based on the economy and the related surplus on top of their already ill-justified pay, will only encourage the ministers and their entourage to devise more creative ways to tax the public, reduce subsidies and perpetuate the rise of property prices.</p>
<p>The US sub-prime crisis didn&#8217;t happen overnight. It was a by-product of greed. Everyone in the financial services were encouraged to go all out to create business in any way possible. Extending credits and dishing out loans to just about anybody was the way to go. Record fat bonuses were handled out to CEOs, etc.</p>
<p>Our jobless rate may be at an all time low now. Problem is the pay and the pay rises cannot cope with<br />
inflation and the associated cost of living in S&#8217;pore. The problem is compounded by the massive influx of foreign workers which will depress the salaries of Singaporeans.</p>
<p>With the widening income gap, depressed salaries, high inflation, the prices of property is still being perked up by the govt. The best way to tie a Singaporean down is through debt.</p>
<p>As long as one remains in S&#8217;pore, one will be taxed till one drops.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert HO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 11:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RH:  BlackFeline, &quot;the sins of the parents are visited upon their children&quot;.  Have you any?  Better pray.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RH:  BlackFeline, &#8220;the sins of the parents are visited upon their children&#8221;.  Have you any?  Better pray.</p>
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		<title>By: laicf</title>
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		<dc:creator>laicf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 09:40:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t blackfeline, it is not so bad a place from a peson like me havng work in Dubai and now working in Macau.
Old Guards will die off..eventually.....and really...by GE2011, we will really know as to whether GEN-Y or Millennials are impotent as well....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t blackfeline, it is not so bad a place from a peson like me havng work in Dubai and now working in Macau.<br />
Old Guards will die off..eventually&#8230;..and really&#8230;by GE2011, we will really know as to whether GEN-Y or Millennials are impotent as well&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Singapore Resident</title>
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		<dc:creator>Singapore Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 08:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank GOD for retirement i now have CPF Lies...oops i meant CPF Life</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank GOD for retirement i now have CPF Lies&#8230;oops i meant CPF Life</p>
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		<title>By: blackfeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackfeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 07:58:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>im sick and tired of this fxxking place of impotent citizens!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>im sick and tired of this fxxking place of impotent citizens!</p>
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		<title>By: laicf</title>
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		<dc:creator>laicf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:27:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The present local universities tuition fees are more than I paid for the FULL TUITION FEE where studing in UK 1983:

1983 1st Year:.....£2,700 (at £1 = S$3 or S$8,100)

1984 2nd Year:.....£3,100 (at £1 = S$3 or S$9,300)

1985 FInal Year of £3,700 = S$11,100.

And friends, it is FULL FEES, not subsidised at all..like what SIngaporeans are paying now.

And I understand from yesterday CNA News that a NUS (or is it NTU?) hostel for one-bed room type is S$100 per week and 2-bed rom type is S$70.00.

Whereas in UK for my 3-year of study, my one-bed room student hostel within the campus is averaging £15 per week (S$45.00). And with following facilities:
- Free cleaning and vacuuming of room by cleaner once a week.
- Free change of bed-sheet and pillow case once a week.
- All utilities - water, electricity, heating - are free of charge.

And PAP Government said it is SUBSIDISED!!!!....

And when The Straits Times made an estimate in 2004 that it will cost a SIngpaorean about S$277,000 to bring up a child from conception to graduation from a local university...and tuition fee at that time is S$6,000 per annum.

And with this dastardly inflation in 2008 and beyond, I beleive that it may cost as much as S$350,000 now to bring up a child from 2008 conception to 2032 graduaiton from a local university.

We have now:

- No affordable HDB housing if your household income exceeds S$8,000. An expensive EC if below S$10,000 ceiling.

- Price increase for basic utilities, transportation and grocery bill.

- Salary increase not matching to inflation.

- &quot;Mean testing&quot; equates to higher medical-care spendings.

- And now, increase in tuition fees.

No wonder our brith rate is slighly above 37,000 in 2007, as no decent thinkign SIngaporeans will think of bringing up a child in SIngapore if they wanted to maintain their present child-free lifestyle.

And this &quot;Cost Plus&#039; PAP Government had indeed turned a bundle of joy into a burden of joy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The present local universities tuition fees are more than I paid for the FULL TUITION FEE where studing in UK 1983:</p>
<p>1983 1st Year:&#8230;..£2,700 (at £1 = S$3 or S$8,100)</p>
<p>1984 2nd Year:&#8230;..£3,100 (at £1 = S$3 or S$9,300)</p>
<p>1985 FInal Year of £3,700 = S$11,100.</p>
<p>And friends, it is FULL FEES, not subsidised at all..like what SIngaporeans are paying now.</p>
<p>And I understand from yesterday CNA News that a NUS (or is it NTU?) hostel for one-bed room type is S$100 per week and 2-bed rom type is S$70.00.</p>
<p>Whereas in UK for my 3-year of study, my one-bed room student hostel within the campus is averaging £15 per week (S$45.00). And with following facilities:<br />
- Free cleaning and vacuuming of room by cleaner once a week.<br />
- Free change of bed-sheet and pillow case once a week.<br />
- All utilities &#8211; water, electricity, heating &#8211; are free of charge.</p>
<p>And PAP Government said it is SUBSIDISED!!!!&#8230;.</p>
<p>And when The Straits Times made an estimate in 2004 that it will cost a SIngpaorean about S$277,000 to bring up a child from conception to graduation from a local university&#8230;and tuition fee at that time is S$6,000 per annum.</p>
<p>And with this dastardly inflation in 2008 and beyond, I beleive that it may cost as much as S$350,000 now to bring up a child from 2008 conception to 2032 graduaiton from a local university.</p>
<p>We have now:</p>
<p>- No affordable HDB housing if your household income exceeds S$8,000. An expensive EC if below S$10,000 ceiling.</p>
<p>- Price increase for basic utilities, transportation and grocery bill.</p>
<p>- Salary increase not matching to inflation.</p>
<p>- &#8220;Mean testing&#8221; equates to higher medical-care spendings.</p>
<p>- And now, increase in tuition fees.</p>
<p>No wonder our brith rate is slighly above 37,000 in 2007, as no decent thinkign SIngaporeans will think of bringing up a child in SIngapore if they wanted to maintain their present child-free lifestyle.</p>
<p>And this &#8220;Cost Plus&#8217; PAP Government had indeed turned a bundle of joy into a burden of joy.</p>
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		<title>By: LifesLikeThat</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 03:54:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If income is going up, why is the govt asking singaporeans not to buy branded bread? And now ask Singaporeans to buy frozen food as it is &quot;50% cheaper&quot;??

I am sick of the propaganda. All you journalists in the ST should be ashame.

http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_206273.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If income is going up, why is the govt asking singaporeans not to buy branded bread? And now ask Singaporeans to buy frozen food as it is &#8220;50% cheaper&#8221;??</p>
<p>I am sick of the propaganda. All you journalists in the ST should be ashame.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_206273.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.straitstimes.com/Free/Story/STIStory_206273.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: ptc</title>
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		<dc:creator>ptc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 15:16:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When the minister of Transport says Taxi drivers gets $300 per day, you know the government&#039;s numbers are all out of whack. What else is there to trust in the PM and MM statistics? All I know is that my CPF is gonna get stuck forever! There is no pension / state welfare in Singapore, but there sure is hell a lot of hoodlums holding my CPF money and not giving it back. If the government is holding my money and betting big on Subprime hit banks, I think I would prefer to hold my cash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When the minister of Transport says Taxi drivers gets $300 per day, you know the government&#8217;s numbers are all out of whack. What else is there to trust in the PM and MM statistics? All I know is that my CPF is gonna get stuck forever! There is no pension / state welfare in Singapore, but there sure is hell a lot of hoodlums holding my CPF money and not giving it back. If the government is holding my money and betting big on Subprime hit banks, I think I would prefer to hold my cash.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert HO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2008 10:30:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;THE PUZZLE THAT NEVER WAS&quot;
http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010129sj.htm

January 29, 2001;     Dr Chee Soon Juan;     Secretary-General, Singapore Democratic Party;     Speech given at Stanford University, Institute for International Studies.

[RH excerpt]:

&quot;In the Global Competitiveness Report 1999 which surveyed a total of 59 countries, Singaporean workers, especially those in manual jobs, were found to be relatively one of the worst paid in the world. The median wage of an office cleaner or driver, adjusted for productivity, &quot;is among the lowest in 59 countries worldwide.&quot; Only Russia, Ukraine and Ecuador are paid less. Secretaries don&#039;t do much better, their wages rank 50 among the 59 countries.

&quot;During the Asia crisis, monthly wages for low-skilled workers fell up to 34 percent from $746 in 1998 to $492 in 1999. During that period, 16 percent of the work force earned below $1000 a month. Nearly 30 percent of households were not earning enough to afford the minimum standard of life. But when the crisis was over, salary increases among 14 Asian economies was the lowest in Singapore. While Hong Kong, South Korea, and Taiwan had rewarded their workers between five to eight percent in wage increments (after accounting for inflation), Singapore averaged only 3.6 percent with the number predicted to decrease to 2.9 percent this year. It was reported that between 1998 and 2000, the average monthly income of the lowest 10 percent of households fell further by half to $133. The subsistence level in Singapore is estimated to be $1000 for a household of four persons.&quot;

RH:
1.  There really is no puzzle to the LIEgime&#039;s huge hoard of OUR monies.  It is all a simple matter of innumerable SCAMS from HDB flat pricings to CPF paying less than inflation so the govt makes money from our monies without lifting a finger, then the decades-long policies of OVERTAX &amp; UNDERSPEND.

2.  This explains everything.  OVERTAX car ownership costs, housing costs, public transport costs, taxi costs, GST costs, etc, and UNDERSPEND on healthcare so we keep paying more and more as the govt reduces even the fake &#039;subsidies&#039;, upgrading of HDB estates, which is also politically biased to pressure voters into voting PAP, schools and education underspending, etc.

3.  This deliberate, cruel, policy of OVERTAX &amp; UNDERSPEND gives the govt huge sums of OUR monies to play with, for lavish spending on pet projects from the armed forces military toys to giving free money grants to attract such sexy projects as the failed UNSW and sexy high tech factories and the latest fad, the biomed factories, etc.

4.  The huge hoards of money are also used to pay themselves the S$3.7m + bonuses + perks + pensions, etc, each of the Ministers plus equally generous pays and perks to senior judges, senior bureaucrats, senior civil services personnel to keep them all happy and loyal.  Thus, OUR monies are used to keep THEM in power.

5.  The huge cash hoard also allows LKY LHL PAP to give the Americans US$3 billion in 2005 so they will support the LIEgime indefinitely, these billions to be increased and continued every 2 years [but no news of the second payment].  See?  They use OUR monies to stay in power by buying allies from within the civil service to without, as in the case of the corrupt Americans.

6.  This is how PAPadise works.

7.  Thank you, Mr LEONG, for another brilliant article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;THE PUZZLE THAT NEVER WAS&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010129sj.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.singapore-window.org/sw01/010129sj.htm</a></p>
<p>January 29, 2001;     Dr Chee Soon Juan;     Secretary-General, Singapore Democratic Party;     Speech given at Stanford University, Institute for International Studies.</p>
<p>[RH excerpt]:</p>
<p>&#8220;In the Global Competitiveness Report 1999 which surveyed a total of 59 countries, Singaporean workers, especially those in manual jobs, were found to be relatively one of the worst paid in the world. The median wage of an office cleaner or driver, adjusted for productivity, &#8220;is among the lowest in 59 countries worldwide.&#8221; Only Russia, Ukraine and Ecuador are paid less. Secretaries don&#8217;t do much better, their wages rank 50 among the 59 countries.</p>
<p>&#8220;During the Asia crisis, monthly wages for low-skilled workers fell up to 34 percent from $746 in 1998 to $492 in 1999. During that period, 16 percent of the work force earned below $1000 a month. Nearly 30 percent of households were not earning enough to afford the minimum standard of life. But when the crisis was over, salary increases among 14 Asian economies was the lowest in Singapore. While Hong Kong, South Korea, and Taiwan had rewarded their workers between five to eight percent in wage increments (after accounting for inflation), Singapore averaged only 3.6 percent with the number predicted to decrease to 2.9 percent this year. It was reported that between 1998 and 2000, the average monthly income of the lowest 10 percent of households fell further by half to $133. The subsistence level in Singapore is estimated to be $1000 for a household of four persons.&#8221;</p>
<p>RH:<br />
1.  There really is no puzzle to the LIEgime&#8217;s huge hoard of OUR monies.  It is all a simple matter of innumerable SCAMS from HDB flat pricings to CPF paying less than inflation so the govt makes money from our monies without lifting a finger, then the decades-long policies of OVERTAX &amp; UNDERSPEND.</p>
<p>2.  This explains everything.  OVERTAX car ownership costs, housing costs, public transport costs, taxi costs, GST costs, etc, and UNDERSPEND on healthcare so we keep paying more and more as the govt reduces even the fake &#8216;subsidies&#8217;, upgrading of HDB estates, which is also politically biased to pressure voters into voting PAP, schools and education underspending, etc.</p>
<p>3.  This deliberate, cruel, policy of OVERTAX &amp; UNDERSPEND gives the govt huge sums of OUR monies to play with, for lavish spending on pet projects from the armed forces military toys to giving free money grants to attract such sexy projects as the failed UNSW and sexy high tech factories and the latest fad, the biomed factories, etc.</p>
<p>4.  The huge hoards of money are also used to pay themselves the S$3.7m + bonuses + perks + pensions, etc, each of the Ministers plus equally generous pays and perks to senior judges, senior bureaucrats, senior civil services personnel to keep them all happy and loyal.  Thus, OUR monies are used to keep THEM in power.</p>
<p>5.  The huge cash hoard also allows LKY LHL PAP to give the Americans US$3 billion in 2005 so they will support the LIEgime indefinitely, these billions to be increased and continued every 2 years [but no news of the second payment].  See?  They use OUR monies to stay in power by buying allies from within the civil service to without, as in the case of the corrupt Americans.</p>
<p>6.  This is how PAPadise works.</p>
<p>7.  Thank you, Mr LEONG, for another brilliant article.</p>
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