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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>55) Mrs Kalista on April 17th, 2008 1.09 pm
This is not something new in our unique system, everytime the garment give something or allowing certain claims to the citizens, don&#039;t you know that there is always a catch somewhere, take for example, they say they allow you to claim your OWN medisave for hospitalisation BUT you cannot claim in FULL and have to pay up cash still, so everywhich way they still want to dig out cash from your pocket. . . .its amazing !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>55) Mrs Kalista on April 17th, 2008 1.09 pm<br />
This is not something new in our unique system, everytime the garment give something or allowing certain claims to the citizens, don&#8217;t you know that there is always a catch somewhere, take for example, they say they allow you to claim your OWN medisave for hospitalisation BUT you cannot claim in FULL and have to pay up cash still, so everywhich way they still want to dig out cash from your pocket. . . .its amazing !</p>
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		<title>By: loop</title>
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		<dc:creator>loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:16:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expats &amp; foreigners should not be allow to rent HDB flats.  Any Singaporean who marries a foreigner should not be given the rights to purchase a HDB flats anymore.  They should only buy private properties.  Singaporeans should be given prioties to rent or buy flats.  What are those condo-like HDB flats built for?  For show?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expats &amp; foreigners should not be allow to rent HDB flats.  Any Singaporean who marries a foreigner should not be given the rights to purchase a HDB flats anymore.  They should only buy private properties.  Singaporeans should be given prioties to rent or buy flats.  What are those condo-like HDB flats built for?  For show?</p>
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		<title>By: cool</title>
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		<dc:creator>cool</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 02:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I totally agreed with Mr Leong&#039;s speech !

Our government is so rich that I ask all my expatriates not to pay single lump sum tax at 1 go and opt for the interest free instalment instead !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I totally agreed with Mr Leong&#8217;s speech !</p>
<p>Our government is so rich that I ask all my expatriates not to pay single lump sum tax at 1 go and opt for the interest free instalment instead !</p>
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		<title>By: bread of life</title>
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		<dc:creator>bread of life</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well these all great opinions of you and this is the reality of what happened in singapore dispite of all the crap being advertised about singapore to the world outside where always see singapore is great country not until they are working here and feel this government inc crap.

a lot of my foreigner colleague also start to feel the crap of living in singapore.

in any situation of this kinf of crippy things which make huge burden of our life, what we need do... :
-fights for our right - voice our concerns to those government inc people, if this plan is not going through
-leave the so called &#039;rich government only, inc&#039; and &#039;poor citizen&#039; and find out other place whereby government and citizen can be equally balance, live to the fullest for more meaningful life not merely the dream of living in abundance which eventually the one living in abundance always the government &#039;king&#039; and never be the citizens &#039;slave&#039;..

just my 2 cents of thought , this also if it&#039;s not get taxed, or otherwise it will become 1.xx cents only ..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well these all great opinions of you and this is the reality of what happened in singapore dispite of all the crap being advertised about singapore to the world outside where always see singapore is great country not until they are working here and feel this government inc crap.</p>
<p>a lot of my foreigner colleague also start to feel the crap of living in singapore.</p>
<p>in any situation of this kinf of crippy things which make huge burden of our life, what we need do&#8230; :<br />
-fights for our right &#8211; voice our concerns to those government inc people, if this plan is not going through<br />
-leave the so called &#8216;rich government only, inc&#8217; and &#8216;poor citizen&#8217; and find out other place whereby government and citizen can be equally balance, live to the fullest for more meaningful life not merely the dream of living in abundance which eventually the one living in abundance always the government &#8216;king&#8217; and never be the citizens &#8216;slave&#8217;..</p>
<p>just my 2 cents of thought , this also if it&#8217;s not get taxed, or otherwise it will become 1.xx cents only ..</p>
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		<title>By: Mrs Kalista</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mrs Kalista</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 05:09:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I know the above comments are sharing woes of the government policies and HDB but I am going to raise a query of another issue here....

Today, I filed my hubby&#039;s income tax online and was pleased (at 1st) to find that we can claim tax for FWL. Then I was appalled that only working wives are able to file at this FWL option and not husbands. Upon clarifying with my colleagues, I learnt that the government wants women to return to the workforce, hence only the women may claim tax for FWL!

This is annoying because although I am a full time working mother with 2 kids, I do not earn the kind of income that is taxable in the first instance, so what use is it for me to claim up to 2X the FWL I paid off my taxable pay when I am not even taxable!? Its not like I&#039;m going get cash out of not being able to claim against my tax. Surely it is not too difficult to transfer these benefits to our spouses whose incomes are taxable?

It is discriminating against women who are unable to sustain a high level of employment. I should not be penalised for my inability to draw a high income. Benefits should be shared equally because nonetheless, I am still contributing to the economy of the country and therefore, should be eligible for all governmental subsidies regardless of my disposable income.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know the above comments are sharing woes of the government policies and HDB but I am going to raise a query of another issue here&#8230;.</p>
<p>Today, I filed my hubby&#8217;s income tax online and was pleased (at 1st) to find that we can claim tax for FWL. Then I was appalled that only working wives are able to file at this FWL option and not husbands. Upon clarifying with my colleagues, I learnt that the government wants women to return to the workforce, hence only the women may claim tax for FWL!</p>
<p>This is annoying because although I am a full time working mother with 2 kids, I do not earn the kind of income that is taxable in the first instance, so what use is it for me to claim up to 2X the FWL I paid off my taxable pay when I am not even taxable!? Its not like I&#8217;m going get cash out of not being able to claim against my tax. Surely it is not too difficult to transfer these benefits to our spouses whose incomes are taxable?</p>
<p>It is discriminating against women who are unable to sustain a high level of employment. I should not be penalised for my inability to draw a high income. Benefits should be shared equally because nonetheless, I am still contributing to the economy of the country and therefore, should be eligible for all governmental subsidies regardless of my disposable income.</p>
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		<title>By: melvin</title>
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		<dc:creator>melvin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:59:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singapore is really an attractive place to stay ---- only if you are cash rich.
As for the rest of us (the working middle class), if you can, try and live in other countries to experience if life is more than just working long hours (its only 12 hours work for me per day), worry about the high cost of living and paying for your housing loans (I am staying in a first hand HDB unit).

Can we live a life to focus a little less on material well-being? Maybe we can, we just have to explore that. Sometimes I cannot help but agree with my friends that moving out of this lovely island does add quality to their life (and they are not cash rich). As for me, I hope I can work towards the goal of leaving this place eventually (it will be too expensive for middle class me by the time I retire). Don&#039;t get me wrong, I still love this country and the everything Singaporean about it. I am grateful for the good education that I received, but somehow I just don&#039;t feel I have &#039;lived a life&#039;. I am willing to work and pay for my dues. Or should I just listen to the government to &#039;lower my expectation&#039;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singapore is really an attractive place to stay &#8212;- only if you are cash rich.<br />
As for the rest of us (the working middle class), if you can, try and live in other countries to experience if life is more than just working long hours (its only 12 hours work for me per day), worry about the high cost of living and paying for your housing loans (I am staying in a first hand HDB unit).</p>
<p>Can we live a life to focus a little less on material well-being? Maybe we can, we just have to explore that. Sometimes I cannot help but agree with my friends that moving out of this lovely island does add quality to their life (and they are not cash rich). As for me, I hope I can work towards the goal of leaving this place eventually (it will be too expensive for middle class me by the time I retire). Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I still love this country and the everything Singaporean about it. I am grateful for the good education that I received, but somehow I just don&#8217;t feel I have &#8216;lived a life&#8217;. I am willing to work and pay for my dues. Or should I just listen to the government to &#8216;lower my expectation&#8217;?</p>
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		<title>By: Fever Guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fever Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Apr 2008 07:45:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is the air pollution, noise from fighter planes, bad trafffic, dusty and smelly ike sulphuric air sound good to you?. If not how to make Jurong a CBD of the west? Another big mouth talk from MBT? Can they just keep their big fat ugly mouth shut? Tell MBT to rent a 3 room HDB and stay there for a month. He stay in upscale downtown area he so out of touch with common folks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is the air pollution, noise from fighter planes, bad trafffic, dusty and smelly ike sulphuric air sound good to you?. If not how to make Jurong a CBD of the west? Another big mouth talk from MBT? Can they just keep their big fat ugly mouth shut? Tell MBT to rent a 3 room HDB and stay there for a month. He stay in upscale downtown area he so out of touch with common folks.</p>
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		<title>By: ronnie</title>
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		<dc:creator>ronnie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 09:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ha what&#039;s the use all these about HDB. Their Policies are long ago preplan it&#039;s out of pressure just to inform the general public, do they bother to look into these matter seriously in their so call assembly talk or just debating on other money making matters, go have a check on their SLA site Apt for rental all are gimmicks, YOU CAN NEVER GET 1 Unit, UNLESS
if you know some big hooks then things are different you can get them more easily

LET THEM DO THE LELONG ROAD SHOW

See how our neighbour flair in their game of ELECTO</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ha what&#8217;s the use all these about HDB. Their Policies are long ago preplan it&#8217;s out of pressure just to inform the general public, do they bother to look into these matter seriously in their so call assembly talk or just debating on other money making matters, go have a check on their SLA site Apt for rental all are gimmicks, YOU CAN NEVER GET 1 Unit, UNLESS<br />
if you know some big hooks then things are different you can get them more easily</p>
<p>LET THEM DO THE LELONG ROAD SHOW</p>
<p>See how our neighbour flair in their game of ELECTO</p>
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		<title>By: Derrick</title>
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		<dc:creator>Derrick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 03:05:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The prices of new HDB flats nowadays are just insane. I&#039;ve known a few young couples who were saying that they might as well bite the bullet and pay another $100 more and buy a smaller condomunium since they are to fork out more than $500k to get a 5 room new flat in a mature estate. Does HDB seriously think that the 50th percentile income group comprising of a 2 adults, 2 kids and maybe 2 aged parents can afford a $500k HDB flat given the fact of increasing health care and education costs? Let&#039;s face it, only the top 10% or maybe 15% income earners can afford it without stretching their finances through their pants.

I, myself, have also decided not to get a new flat from HDB because of very long waiting price and very unattractive prices. I&#039;ve turned to the open market and got a 3 room unit in a mature estate, paying $28k above valuation. That&#039;s what I can afford comfortably without having to loose an arm or a leg. Just across the road, about 100m away from my block, there are a few blocks of new HDB flats still being built and a 4 room unit there costs double of what I paid for my 3 room resale. Insane right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The prices of new HDB flats nowadays are just insane. I&#8217;ve known a few young couples who were saying that they might as well bite the bullet and pay another $100 more and buy a smaller condomunium since they are to fork out more than $500k to get a 5 room new flat in a mature estate. Does HDB seriously think that the 50th percentile income group comprising of a 2 adults, 2 kids and maybe 2 aged parents can afford a $500k HDB flat given the fact of increasing health care and education costs? Let&#8217;s face it, only the top 10% or maybe 15% income earners can afford it without stretching their finances through their pants.</p>
<p>I, myself, have also decided not to get a new flat from HDB because of very long waiting price and very unattractive prices. I&#8217;ve turned to the open market and got a 3 room unit in a mature estate, paying $28k above valuation. That&#8217;s what I can afford comfortably without having to loose an arm or a leg. Just across the road, about 100m away from my block, there are a few blocks of new HDB flats still being built and a 4 room unit there costs double of what I paid for my 3 room resale. Insane right?</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am sorry to say this - sometimes I FEEL that our government is $$$ monopoly.  Not being able to build flats according to demand is BULLSHIT.  Take care of your pockets but also do not forget about those who REALLY need help.

And I cannot believe that &#039;DUE TO DEMAND and CONVENIENCE&#039; (you don&#039;t have to worry frozen meat goes bad), frozen meat can be equally nutritive as fresh meat.  We all know this isn&#039;t true!  Damn....I hope the media stops feeding public LIES.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am sorry to say this &#8211; sometimes I FEEL that our government is $$$ monopoly.  Not being able to build flats according to demand is BULLSHIT.  Take care of your pockets but also do not forget about those who REALLY need help.</p>
<p>And I cannot believe that &#8216;DUE TO DEMAND and CONVENIENCE&#8217; (you don&#8217;t have to worry frozen meat goes bad), frozen meat can be equally nutritive as fresh meat.  We all know this isn&#8217;t true!  Damn&#8230;.I hope the media stops feeding public LIES.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 01:49:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Old folks being placed in nursing homes because of the health - I can understand.

But what for those whose children are not supporting them?
Can a deaf or partially blind parent take non-supporting children to court for their children&#039;s non-maintainence?
How can one with mental or health problems (and poor) try applying for a flat ONLY TO BE REJECTED?

Singaporeans are also brainwashed to think that MARRIAGE is the only choice for women who want children (other than artificial insemination or whatever).  Single unmarried mothers who intentionally DO NOT want to marry the father of their child/children are not considered HUMAN FAMILY UNIT.   HDB never consider this minority group of people human enough to &quot;have a family nor &quot;buy a HDB flat&quot;.

Many HDB units are empty but none used for those WHO NEED IT due to their circumstances.  I have been a volunteer before and I&#039;ve seen a lot.

Common sense isn&#039;t used in many situations.  If the government wants to &quot;control traffic&quot; then it should refrain from building more carparks instead of ERP this and that....  Build more homes.....lesser carparks please.

Kelly of MyQute.com
Fan of TheOnelineCitizen.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old folks being placed in nursing homes because of the health &#8211; I can understand.</p>
<p>But what for those whose children are not supporting them?<br />
Can a deaf or partially blind parent take non-supporting children to court for their children&#8217;s non-maintainence?<br />
How can one with mental or health problems (and poor) try applying for a flat ONLY TO BE REJECTED?</p>
<p>Singaporeans are also brainwashed to think that MARRIAGE is the only choice for women who want children (other than artificial insemination or whatever).  Single unmarried mothers who intentionally DO NOT want to marry the father of their child/children are not considered HUMAN FAMILY UNIT.   HDB never consider this minority group of people human enough to &#8220;have a family nor &#8220;buy a HDB flat&#8221;.</p>
<p>Many HDB units are empty but none used for those WHO NEED IT due to their circumstances.  I have been a volunteer before and I&#8217;ve seen a lot.</p>
<p>Common sense isn&#8217;t used in many situations.  If the government wants to &#8220;control traffic&#8221; then it should refrain from building more carparks instead of ERP this and that&#8230;.  Build more homes&#8230;..lesser carparks please.</p>
<p>Kelly of MyQute.com<br />
Fan of TheOnelineCitizen.com</p>
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		<title>By: Niki</title>
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		<dc:creator>Niki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 00:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for this article.

Those peope from HDB doing such un awful mission.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for this article.</p>
<p>Those peope from HDB doing such un awful mission.</p>
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		<title>By: ash</title>
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		<dc:creator>ash</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:17:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m 24 and looking for a flat.feeling the pain in all this rubbish.I didnt choose to be 24 in this year, i cuold have been 24 in 1997 and laughing my way through, yet i have to bear the pain now.

Comment by MBT,not word for word, but i remember boiling when i read it

&quot;HDB made a mistake by developing flats pegged to population growth, hence more DBSS or similar plans, will be pushed out so that flats will be provided on a needs basis.............blablbla&quot;

Simple equation of supply and demand.
If u always wait for demand before you give supply, there will never be or be little consumer surplus.
HDB then proceeds to impose a little &quot;price floor&quot; to the property developers.
A monopoly + a price floor, what else could get worse?

There has been another ridiculous article lately.
A person bought an unsold flat from hdb recently, and it cost a good % more than what his brother paid in the same block 3 years ago.He questioned why HDB sold it at different prices since construction cost was already accounted for 3 years ago. the reply from hdb &quot; Prices follow market rates else it won&#039;t be fair to existing owners&quot;

My question, where does this extra money go then?

A sinking fund that literally sinks into pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m 24 and looking for a flat.feeling the pain in all this rubbish.I didnt choose to be 24 in this year, i cuold have been 24 in 1997 and laughing my way through, yet i have to bear the pain now.</p>
<p>Comment by MBT,not word for word, but i remember boiling when i read it</p>
<p>&#8220;HDB made a mistake by developing flats pegged to population growth, hence more DBSS or similar plans, will be pushed out so that flats will be provided on a needs basis&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.blablbla&#8221;</p>
<p>Simple equation of supply and demand.<br />
If u always wait for demand before you give supply, there will never be or be little consumer surplus.<br />
HDB then proceeds to impose a little &#8220;price floor&#8221; to the property developers.<br />
A monopoly + a price floor, what else could get worse?</p>
<p>There has been another ridiculous article lately.<br />
A person bought an unsold flat from hdb recently, and it cost a good % more than what his brother paid in the same block 3 years ago.He questioned why HDB sold it at different prices since construction cost was already accounted for 3 years ago. the reply from hdb &#8221; Prices follow market rates else it won&#8217;t be fair to existing owners&#8221;</p>
<p>My question, where does this extra money go then?</p>
<p>A sinking fund that literally sinks into pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: sarek_home</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarek_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Lim,

It is good to call for &quot;let’s get more people to visit TOC to voice their opinion&quot; so people are more informed and aware of social / political issues.  This, I believe, is the main objective of media like TOC and many other blogs. However, your other call for &quot;build these momentum till it explode next election&quot; may be counter productive as it may lead the readers to think the media has some political agenda.

Let&#039;s keep the media as a informative source doing its best to provide fair information to the readers.  There are political parties and groups readers can join to exact changes in response to the social / political issues raised by TOC and many other blogs.  Let us not mix the role of the media, online or main stream, with that of political entity.

Regards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Lim,</p>
<p>It is good to call for &#8220;let’s get more people to visit TOC to voice their opinion&#8221; so people are more informed and aware of social / political issues.  This, I believe, is the main objective of media like TOC and many other blogs. However, your other call for &#8220;build these momentum till it explode next election&#8221; may be counter productive as it may lead the readers to think the media has some political agenda.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep the media as a informative source doing its best to provide fair information to the readers.  There are political parties and groups readers can join to exact changes in response to the social / political issues raised by TOC and many other blogs.  Let us not mix the role of the media, online or main stream, with that of political entity.</p>
<p>Regards.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 17:52:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew,

are u saying all the grievances above is not true? if it is true, why be afraid even to point out and hightlight to more people? then why setup this website? for fun ? since main stream media is not doing a fair job to the public, we need information on internet. hope TOC can sell yr website address thru t-shirt sales. remember, you people have a much more important role to let more singaporean know about what WE SINGAPORE CITIZENS want in our society and not let civil &#039;SERVANT&#039; do whatever they want at our expense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew,</p>
<p>are u saying all the grievances above is not true? if it is true, why be afraid even to point out and hightlight to more people? then why setup this website? for fun ? since main stream media is not doing a fair job to the public, we need information on internet. hope TOC can sell yr website address thru t-shirt sales. remember, you people have a much more important role to let more singaporean know about what WE SINGAPORE CITIZENS want in our society and not let civil &#8216;SERVANT&#8217; do whatever they want at our expense.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Loh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 11:49:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Lim,

Wah lau. Don&#039;t like that say leh. Wait we at TOC kena arrested also. :(

Andrew Loh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Lim,</p>
<p>Wah lau. Don&#8217;t like that say leh. Wait we at TOC kena arrested also. :(</p>
<p>Andrew Loh</p>
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		<title>By: Mr lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 10:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear friends,

so many grievances on HDB and some more no outlet for these anger. no wonder many paper reports on singaporeans heart attack /drop dead / commit sucide etc. maybe we too passive so &#039;people&#039; thought we are punching bags for them. let&#039;s get more people to visit TOC to voice their opinion and get critical mass of singaporean.( passive way which is more suitable for singaporean ). build these momentum till it explode next election. no physical protest right! we will do it in internet. tak boleh tahan !!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear friends,</p>
<p>so many grievances on HDB and some more no outlet for these anger. no wonder many paper reports on singaporeans heart attack /drop dead / commit sucide etc. maybe we too passive so &#8216;people&#8217; thought we are punching bags for them. let&#8217;s get more people to visit TOC to voice their opinion and get critical mass of singaporean.( passive way which is more suitable for singaporean ). build these momentum till it explode next election. no physical protest right! we will do it in internet. tak boleh tahan !!!</p>
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		<title>By: Bateman</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/03/uniquely-singapore-is-the-hdb-fulfilling-the-needs-of-singaporeans/comment-page-1/#comment-5584</link>
		<dc:creator>Bateman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Mar 2008 07:28:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has reality set it and HDB shooting themselves in the foot?
Have a read.
&quot;Over 3,000 apply for Boon Keng&#039;s condo-like flats, but only 460 sold
 By Fiona Chan, Property Reporter
THOUSANDS of applications poured in for a condo-like Housing Board project in January - but as of last week, less than two-thirds of the flats had been taken up.
About 250 of the 714 units in City View @ Boon Keng remain unsold, said HSR Property Group, which is marketing the project.
These flats will be offered to the public, probably via a walk-in selection. The leftover homes came as a surprise to market watchers, given that 3,500 applicants had vied for them. &quot;
How many were not eligible?
How many pulled out after doing their sums?
The flats are not built yet right and when they start building, how much more will material cost go up?
The Swiss standard of living is only for the government superscale!
Swiss standard of living does not mean material things but also the attitude towards material things, for them it takes second place, riding bicycles is also the Swiss standard of living! It has been taken out of context and the people bought it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has reality set it and HDB shooting themselves in the foot?<br />
Have a read.<br />
&#8220;Over 3,000 apply for Boon Keng&#8217;s condo-like flats, but only 460 sold<br />
 By Fiona Chan, Property Reporter<br />
THOUSANDS of applications poured in for a condo-like Housing Board project in January &#8211; but as of last week, less than two-thirds of the flats had been taken up.<br />
About 250 of the 714 units in City View @ Boon Keng remain unsold, said HSR Property Group, which is marketing the project.<br />
These flats will be offered to the public, probably via a walk-in selection. The leftover homes came as a surprise to market watchers, given that 3,500 applicants had vied for them. &#8221;<br />
How many were not eligible?<br />
How many pulled out after doing their sums?<br />
The flats are not built yet right and when they start building, how much more will material cost go up?<br />
The Swiss standard of living is only for the government superscale!<br />
Swiss standard of living does not mean material things but also the attitude towards material things, for them it takes second place, riding bicycles is also the Swiss standard of living! It has been taken out of context and the people bought it!</p>
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		<title>By: ad</title>
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		<dc:creator>ad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 17:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bateman says &quot;... Then again, the govenment too takes the blame by “promoting a lifestyle” , of more good years,Swiss standard of living, cashing in on property&quot;...

Lolz, eat frozen meat and house-brand bread... where got Swiss standard of living?

If there is no need to be in long 20 years debt just to get a roof over the head, i.e. &quot;subsidised HDB flats&quot; then it&#039;s possible to get better &#039;lifestyle&#039; instead of frozen meat and house-brand bread. zzz...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bateman says &#8220;&#8230; Then again, the govenment too takes the blame by “promoting a lifestyle” , of more good years,Swiss standard of living, cashing in on property&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Lolz, eat frozen meat and house-brand bread&#8230; where got Swiss standard of living?</p>
<p>If there is no need to be in long 20 years debt just to get a roof over the head, i.e. &#8220;subsidised HDB flats&#8221; then it&#8217;s possible to get better &#8216;lifestyle&#8217; instead of frozen meat and house-brand bread. zzz&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michael</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Mar 2008 16:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very well done, Mr Leong.  It&#039;s always a pleasure to read your essays and articles.  Please keep writing.  We really need and appreciate people like you.

I have one issue for you to consider, that is:

&quot;Why must HDB lessees  who signed a 99-year lease with the HDB pay property tax?&quot;

The lessees are legally not the owners of the flats.  HDB being the lessor is the sole owner of all the HDB flats.  As such, HDB should be the one that has to pay the property tax to Inland Revenue.  That is legally speaking, we should not be made to pay for any property tax at all.

No MPs have brought this up in Parliament.  Singaporeans are just sheepishly paying the property tax without making a noise at all.  Most are ignorantly suffering in silence while the Inland Revenue Department happily keep collecting the property tax year after year.  Don&#039;t we have the legal right to refuse to pay the property tax?

Just imagine how much &quot;illegal&quot; money that the IRA has been collecting from all the HDB lessees.

If you can, Mr Leong, please write something about it.  I will very much appreciate it.  Thanks.

Michael.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very well done, Mr Leong.  It&#8217;s always a pleasure to read your essays and articles.  Please keep writing.  We really need and appreciate people like you.</p>
<p>I have one issue for you to consider, that is:</p>
<p>&#8220;Why must HDB lessees  who signed a 99-year lease with the HDB pay property tax?&#8221;</p>
<p>The lessees are legally not the owners of the flats.  HDB being the lessor is the sole owner of all the HDB flats.  As such, HDB should be the one that has to pay the property tax to Inland Revenue.  That is legally speaking, we should not be made to pay for any property tax at all.</p>
<p>No MPs have brought this up in Parliament.  Singaporeans are just sheepishly paying the property tax without making a noise at all.  Most are ignorantly suffering in silence while the Inland Revenue Department happily keep collecting the property tax year after year.  Don&#8217;t we have the legal right to refuse to pay the property tax?</p>
<p>Just imagine how much &#8220;illegal&#8221; money that the IRA has been collecting from all the HDB lessees.</p>
<p>If you can, Mr Leong, please write something about it.  I will very much appreciate it.  Thanks.</p>
<p>Michael.</p>
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