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		<title>By: Singapore Masseuse</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/demonising-the-internet-%e2%80%93-and-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-156868</link>
		<dc:creator>Singapore Masseuse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Aug 2010 01:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This just proves that some things never change.  :-/</description>
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		<title>By: Geylang Brothels</title>
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		<dc:creator>Geylang Brothels</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Aug 2010 08:17:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would also like to know where Mas Selamat Kastari is.  We demand justice!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would also like to know where Mas Selamat Kastari is.  We demand justice!</p>
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		<title>By: A refreshing way to engage bloggers &#124; The Online Citizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/demonising-the-internet-%e2%80%93-and-bloggers/comment-page-1/#comment-147137</link>
		<dc:creator>A refreshing way to engage bloggers &#124; The Online Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 May 2010 21:59:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] diatribes against bloggers will continue, of course. But one would not pay it too much attention if they were just words from [...]</description>
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		<title>By: chao mui mui</title>
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		<dc:creator>chao mui mui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Jan 2009 16:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where is Mas Selamat Kastari?
note: its 2009 liao. where is that singaporean terrorist suspect? 
any clue found ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where is Mas Selamat Kastari?<br />
note: its 2009 liao. where is that singaporean terrorist suspect?<br />
any clue found ?</p>
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		<title>By: The Daily Backtrack</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Daily Backtrack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 06:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;I stand corrected, and then some...&lt;/strong&gt;

It&#039;s just been brought to my attention that the ST responded in part to this earlier entry in Friday&#039;s Insight, an article by Lynn Lee titled &quot;Old and new media don&#039;t have to be strange bedfellows&quot; (23/5/2008). The story is that 2 ST ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>I stand corrected, and then some&#8230;</strong></p>
<p>It&#8217;s just been brought to my attention that the ST responded in part to this earlier entry in Friday&#8217;s Insight, an article by Lynn Lee titled &quot;Old and new media don&#8217;t have to be strange bedfellows&quot; (23/5/2008). The story is that 2 ST &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Tang Li</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tang Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 May 2008 16:24:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s give credit where credit is due. There are brave journalist who do  send factual reports from the front line in war zones. There are journalist who investigate the powerful at great risk to themselves.

However, they don&#039;t work in Singapore. For the most part, journalist appear at events, take the facts they are given and then they publish it. This fine for TV and radio where news goes out fast. But what about print. My feel is that print media needs to offer more since they&#039;re news will never be as fast as the broadcast guys.

But look at the opinions that come out in our papers. How diverse and knowledgeable are they. I have yet to meet an &quot;expert&quot; who contradicts a government official. I remember MM Lee, who writes on occasion for Forbes writing something that was, in my opinion - Pro-Israeli Anti-Semitic bias that stopped short of saying that Muslims in Lebanon needed to know their place. I wrote a letter to disagree. I covered my news points. I was respectful but the letter conveniently rejected for &quot;Editorial Judgment.&quot; - Needless to say, I&#039;ve noticed I&#039;m not the only person who does not get ink when I disagree with official policy but gets it when I write things in favour of the government.

Where can I and many others express ourselves? Blogs provide that avenue. No, I don&#039;t claim to be a news hound. But I do offer an opinion, which I try to argue out and can be blamed if people come to my blog when it offers something different from the same thing the MSM is offering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#8217;s give credit where credit is due. There are brave journalist who do  send factual reports from the front line in war zones. There are journalist who investigate the powerful at great risk to themselves.</p>
<p>However, they don&#8217;t work in Singapore. For the most part, journalist appear at events, take the facts they are given and then they publish it. This fine for TV and radio where news goes out fast. But what about print. My feel is that print media needs to offer more since they&#8217;re news will never be as fast as the broadcast guys.</p>
<p>But look at the opinions that come out in our papers. How diverse and knowledgeable are they. I have yet to meet an &#8220;expert&#8221; who contradicts a government official. I remember MM Lee, who writes on occasion for Forbes writing something that was, in my opinion &#8211; Pro-Israeli Anti-Semitic bias that stopped short of saying that Muslims in Lebanon needed to know their place. I wrote a letter to disagree. I covered my news points. I was respectful but the letter conveniently rejected for &#8220;Editorial Judgment.&#8221; &#8211; Needless to say, I&#8217;ve noticed I&#8217;m not the only person who does not get ink when I disagree with official policy but gets it when I write things in favour of the government.</p>
<p>Where can I and many others express ourselves? Blogs provide that avenue. No, I don&#8217;t claim to be a news hound. But I do offer an opinion, which I try to argue out and can be blamed if people come to my blog when it offers something different from the same thing the MSM is offering?</p>
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		<title>By: RationalMan</title>
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		<dc:creator>RationalMan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 May 2008 15:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having read many of your comments on this issue,I would like to give my two-cents worth on this subject.

Many of you brought up very good points on the imperfections of the local mainstream media. The vested interest of the government that controls this state-owned publication indeed limits the objectivity and reliability of the content published in the papers. With their propaganda in mind,discerning readers should be able to detect any bias in any article and sieve through the content to pick out what is relevant for them.

However,I do not agree that the &quot;blogging community would give them a run for their money&quot; as mentioned by Jacob above. Despite the supposedly more objective views posted on blogs, the lack of proper language used, credibility and mature points of view, evident from the numerous emotionally-charged postings above, would give rise to misunderstandings and a less-than-ideal viewership.

For one, bloggers tend to adopt a single tone,no matter what language,english or singlish,the &quot;article&quot; is written in.This pales in comparison to the many different sections and hence persona adopted by the writers of various articles. 

Two,without professional journalists who brave their lives to gather news in disaster-struck areas and war zones, we would not have been able to know more about the state of these critical situations. Would netizens like you and I be able to produce such information by simply sitting in front of our computers,logged on to our blogs,without referring to these well-reputed establishments?

Being entertaining and informative are clearly two separate issues.While the blogosphere has been successful with the former, offering us the &quot;voices&quot; that are not broadcasted in mainstream media, it obviously has a long long way to go to catch up with the mainstream media on the latter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having read many of your comments on this issue,I would like to give my two-cents worth on this subject.</p>
<p>Many of you brought up very good points on the imperfections of the local mainstream media. The vested interest of the government that controls this state-owned publication indeed limits the objectivity and reliability of the content published in the papers. With their propaganda in mind,discerning readers should be able to detect any bias in any article and sieve through the content to pick out what is relevant for them.</p>
<p>However,I do not agree that the &#8220;blogging community would give them a run for their money&#8221; as mentioned by Jacob above. Despite the supposedly more objective views posted on blogs, the lack of proper language used, credibility and mature points of view, evident from the numerous emotionally-charged postings above, would give rise to misunderstandings and a less-than-ideal viewership.</p>
<p>For one, bloggers tend to adopt a single tone,no matter what language,english or singlish,the &#8220;article&#8221; is written in.This pales in comparison to the many different sections and hence persona adopted by the writers of various articles. </p>
<p>Two,without professional journalists who brave their lives to gather news in disaster-struck areas and war zones, we would not have been able to know more about the state of these critical situations. Would netizens like you and I be able to produce such information by simply sitting in front of our computers,logged on to our blogs,without referring to these well-reputed establishments?</p>
<p>Being entertaining and informative are clearly two separate issues.While the blogosphere has been successful with the former, offering us the &#8220;voices&#8221; that are not broadcasted in mainstream media, it obviously has a long long way to go to catch up with the mainstream media on the latter.</p>
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		<title>By: SGDaily Roundup: Week 17 &#171; The Singapore Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>SGDaily Roundup: Week 17 &#171; The Singapore Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 May 2008 07:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Sg: Of Angry Journalists, Anger &amp; the Evil Internet Again [Recommended] - The Online Citizen: Demonising the Internet – and bloggers - The Daily Backtrack: Nyeh - Sheep City: We love you Chua Lee Hong - A L V I N O L O G Y: Mas [...]</description>
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		<title>By: laicf</title>
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		<dc:creator>laicf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 20:11:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am curious as to why PAP wnet into damage control immediately over a dinosaur of an Old Gaurds in conjunciton with its pro-MSM; and did not take it on the chin like a man over MSK.

I clearly remembered MSM went righteous over a condominium MC for alleging &quot;not employing Indian security guard.&quot; And the Chairman was more or less so demoralised that he had no desire at all to continue for another term.

In contrast, MSK Escape made SIngapore a laughing stock in global world; and yet there was no rihteous condnemnation bY MSM for &quot;heads must rolled and someone must be accountible&quot;.

The keyword is &quot;accountibility&quot; or as Truman said: &quot;The buck stopped here!&quot;.

Again Andrew Kuan Saga......and there was no forgiveness.

Again Gomezgate at Election Dept Counter (I would say it is dumb and stupid of Gomez to behave such)...there was no &quot;forgiveness&quot; and Low Thai Khiang was taken to task.

Again that ill-advised Micropolis S$750-million loss....no &quot;The buck stopped here!&quot;...lesson learnt...all forgiveness.

Again that S$380-million tax loss to Singtel....&quot;an honest mistake. No the buck stopped here&quot;...all forgiveness.

Going to that poor sap of a MC Chairman, he made an honest mistake in the best interest of the Condo resident, and yet there was no &quot;forgiveness, only righteousness&quot; from MSM..and I would suggest that he was literally houndned from the &quot;offcie&quot;. He is a retired civil servant, all sincere, a religious man, deligent in discharging his thankless task (unpaid too) as MC Chairman....and all he got was ridcules and righteous condemnations from MSM.

I stayed at that condo.

Who committed the bigger mistake?

A MC Chairman  who was alleged to inform managing agent not to consider Indian security guard (and mind in, that condnominium manager &quot;resigned&quot; as well)...and his case was reported in all MSM for a few days.

And DPM Wong Kan Seng?
With all MSM clamoring for &quot;forgiveness&quot; and Bloggers got scorns poured onto them for daring to comment: &quot;hey, the Emperor is butt-naked! Why the f**k are you all praising him for the fineries he is NOT wearing?&quot;

Where is Social Justice in Singapore?
She is a Whore at Geylang?


I see Internet as a sweet young thing, fun to be with, an exhilirating experience with all its risks...fickle, whole range of emotions, lies, half-truths, facts, and you can&#039;t live without her, and you can&#039;t live with her...

MSM?
A frigging whore, with a Sugar Daddy...pray it is not sufferring a fate akin to that prisoner of that incestuous Austrian monster locked away for 24 years in a cramped and sunless basement..with her three &quot;off-springs never see the sun before&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am curious as to why PAP wnet into damage control immediately over a dinosaur of an Old Gaurds in conjunciton with its pro-MSM; and did not take it on the chin like a man over MSK.</p>
<p>I clearly remembered MSM went righteous over a condominium MC for alleging &#8220;not employing Indian security guard.&#8221; And the Chairman was more or less so demoralised that he had no desire at all to continue for another term.</p>
<p>In contrast, MSK Escape made SIngapore a laughing stock in global world; and yet there was no rihteous condnemnation bY MSM for &#8220;heads must rolled and someone must be accountible&#8221;.</p>
<p>The keyword is &#8220;accountibility&#8221; or as Truman said: &#8220;The buck stopped here!&#8221;.</p>
<p>Again Andrew Kuan Saga&#8230;&#8230;and there was no forgiveness.</p>
<p>Again Gomezgate at Election Dept Counter (I would say it is dumb and stupid of Gomez to behave such)&#8230;there was no &#8220;forgiveness&#8221; and Low Thai Khiang was taken to task.</p>
<p>Again that ill-advised Micropolis S$750-million loss&#8230;.no &#8220;The buck stopped here!&#8221;&#8230;lesson learnt&#8230;all forgiveness.</p>
<p>Again that S$380-million tax loss to Singtel&#8230;.&#8221;an honest mistake. No the buck stopped here&#8221;&#8230;all forgiveness.</p>
<p>Going to that poor sap of a MC Chairman, he made an honest mistake in the best interest of the Condo resident, and yet there was no &#8220;forgiveness, only righteousness&#8221; from MSM..and I would suggest that he was literally houndned from the &#8220;offcie&#8221;. He is a retired civil servant, all sincere, a religious man, deligent in discharging his thankless task (unpaid too) as MC Chairman&#8230;.and all he got was ridcules and righteous condemnations from MSM.</p>
<p>I stayed at that condo.</p>
<p>Who committed the bigger mistake?</p>
<p>A MC Chairman  who was alleged to inform managing agent not to consider Indian security guard (and mind in, that condnominium manager &#8220;resigned&#8221; as well)&#8230;and his case was reported in all MSM for a few days.</p>
<p>And DPM Wong Kan Seng?<br />
With all MSM clamoring for &#8220;forgiveness&#8221; and Bloggers got scorns poured onto them for daring to comment: &#8220;hey, the Emperor is butt-naked! Why the f**k are you all praising him for the fineries he is NOT wearing?&#8221;</p>
<p>Where is Social Justice in Singapore?<br />
She is a Whore at Geylang?</p>
<p>I see Internet as a sweet young thing, fun to be with, an exhilirating experience with all its risks&#8230;fickle, whole range of emotions, lies, half-truths, facts, and you can&#8217;t live without her, and you can&#8217;t live with her&#8230;</p>
<p>MSM?<br />
A frigging whore, with a Sugar Daddy&#8230;pray it is not sufferring a fate akin to that prisoner of that incestuous Austrian monster locked away for 24 years in a cramped and sunless basement..with her three &#8220;off-springs never see the sun before&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Press Time &#171; I need a title</title>
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		<dc:creator>Press Time &#171; I need a title</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 08:19:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] one of our most famous local writers, Catherine Lim. I really do especially recommend this and this as must-reads on the case by theonlinecitizen, which is fast becoming one of Singapore&#8217;s [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] one of our most famous local writers, Catherine Lim. I really do especially recommend this and this as must-reads on the case by theonlinecitizen, which is fast becoming one of Singapore&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jacob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jacob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 07:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been out of blogging for about 3yrs and i must say its come a long way and become a positive force with blogs like TOC&#039;s and metablogs like Singapore Daily.

Wait a sec...before somebody thinks it, i&#039;ll just say i&#039;m not paul jacob from ST. :-)

As for the mainstream media, the blogging community&#039;s giving them a run for their money and making them sweat so much that they&#039;re prone to write such negative things to try and portray us as if we were the media arm of al-qaeda or something...hahaha!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been out of blogging for about 3yrs and i must say its come a long way and become a positive force with blogs like TOC&#8217;s and metablogs like Singapore Daily.</p>
<p>Wait a sec&#8230;before somebody thinks it, i&#8217;ll just say i&#8217;m not paul jacob from ST. :-)</p>
<p>As for the mainstream media, the blogging community&#8217;s giving them a run for their money and making them sweat so much that they&#8217;re prone to write such negative things to try and portray us as if we were the media arm of al-qaeda or something&#8230;hahaha!</p>
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		<title>By: my80ctsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>my80ctsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 06:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, let Lee &amp; Co. continue suing every paper writing against him...one day he might end up suing Rupert Murdoch of News Corp(media tycoon..i checked, he owns FEER &amp; WSJ amongst many other papers &amp; TV networks)..then we see who sues who...haha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, let Lee &amp; Co. continue suing every paper writing against him&#8230;one day he might end up suing Rupert Murdoch of News Corp(media tycoon..i checked, he owns FEER &amp; WSJ amongst many other papers &amp; TV networks)..then we see who sues who&#8230;haha</p>
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		<title>By: JDread</title>
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		<dc:creator>JDread</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 04:15:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Haha good one. George Yeo must be an &quot;irresponsible citizen&quot; too. LOL</description>
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		<title>By: KT</title>
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		<dc:creator>KT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 09:38:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lee Hoong&#039;s blood wasn&#039;t boiling - she was attempting to incite mainstream readers&#039; blood to. Why did we fall into her gambit?

Bloggers should respond to these pathetic diatribes with dignity and an even tone - that&#039;d quite show them.

Re bloggers with revealed names, it&#039;s fine if they do but not a must - see Molly Meek, Xeno Boy - a voice without a name is still a voice. We may choose to remain anonymous, the laws can still catch us as they can.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee Hoong&#8217;s blood wasn&#8217;t boiling &#8211; she was attempting to incite mainstream readers&#8217; blood to. Why did we fall into her gambit?</p>
<p>Bloggers should respond to these pathetic diatribes with dignity and an even tone &#8211; that&#8217;d quite show them.</p>
<p>Re bloggers with revealed names, it&#8217;s fine if they do but not a must &#8211; see Molly Meek, Xeno Boy &#8211; a voice without a name is still a voice. We may choose to remain anonymous, the laws can still catch us as they can.</p>
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		<title>By: otterman</title>
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		<dc:creator>otterman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 04:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess they want to sell papers, so talking about an anarchic rabble out there makes more sense than pointing to the existence of well reasoned articles and sites.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess they want to sell papers, so talking about an anarchic rabble out there makes more sense than pointing to the existence of well reasoned articles and sites.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily SG: 30 Apr 2008 &#171; The Singapore Daily</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daily SG: 30 Apr 2008 &#171; The Singapore Daily</dc:creator>
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		<title>By: Gary Teoh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gary Teoh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 03:37:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am very worry abt the election dept under PM office.What happens in Zimbabwe can happen here, because election dept is not independent.</description>
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		<title>By: Logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As the Govt becomes more disconnected from the ground, so has ST. If ST were an independent press, if she reports &amp; analyzes objectively, I think the reverse would be true; unfortunately this is what happens when you choose to sing to the Govt&#039;s tune, and when one goes out of tune, so does the other.

Actually, I don&#039;t blame ST. Foreign publications have frequently found themselves on the receiving end of costly legal action by some of our leaders. How much more threatening it is, for a paper that&#039;s based on home soil? If the journalist reports objectively and gets onto the nerves of certain leaders, will ST risk life and limb to defend them unswervingly as in the case of Ching Cheong, or will the offending journalist simply be asked to go? Even if ST  were to make an exception once or twice, she cannot afford to do this all the time when her journalists don&#039;t toe the line of the Govt. It just doesn&#039;t work in the long run. That&#039;s why ST is what she is. Either that, or she&#039;s steers away from politics, as far as home issues are concerned, or she cease to exist altogether.

Coming back to internet bloggers. While there are credible views and opinions, there&#039;s room for improvement.

For starters, if we can express our views without uttering vulgarities, that will go a long way towards establishing and maintaining the credibility of web journalism. Let&#039;s not demean ourselves by speaking like hooligans, even though  the object of our discussion attracts wrath, or to quote ST &quot;makes our blood boil&quot;.

Secondly, even if we do not agree with a certain viewpoint or policy, let&#039;s state our views objectively and disagree amicably, instead of having the equivalent of trading punches, as what happens in parliamentary sessions elsewhere. Let&#039;s not be biased, though that&#039;s an easy route, and give credit when due, even if it&#039;s to the Govt or ST.

In all fairness, the Govt has done a good job in many areas, particularly in raising the standards of living over the decades from the 70s, but in the most intimate aspect, that is, the heart of the people she leads and represents, she has fallen short as she listens more to what her head tells her than what her citizens are saying. The Govt will do well to take heed and do what is right for the citizens, who have an equal if not greater stake in the future of Singapore and her future generations.

Many families break down not because the head of the household is not bringing in enough, but because of the lack of communication and understanding amongst family members, and the gradual drifting apart over the years, as each gets intoxicated on his or her own pursuits. Move on? Sure, we must, but do the right thing before it&#039;s too late.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As the Govt becomes more disconnected from the ground, so has ST. If ST were an independent press, if she reports &amp; analyzes objectively, I think the reverse would be true; unfortunately this is what happens when you choose to sing to the Govt&#8217;s tune, and when one goes out of tune, so does the other.</p>
<p>Actually, I don&#8217;t blame ST. Foreign publications have frequently found themselves on the receiving end of costly legal action by some of our leaders. How much more threatening it is, for a paper that&#8217;s based on home soil? If the journalist reports objectively and gets onto the nerves of certain leaders, will ST risk life and limb to defend them unswervingly as in the case of Ching Cheong, or will the offending journalist simply be asked to go? Even if ST  were to make an exception once or twice, she cannot afford to do this all the time when her journalists don&#8217;t toe the line of the Govt. It just doesn&#8217;t work in the long run. That&#8217;s why ST is what she is. Either that, or she&#8217;s steers away from politics, as far as home issues are concerned, or she cease to exist altogether.</p>
<p>Coming back to internet bloggers. While there are credible views and opinions, there&#8217;s room for improvement.</p>
<p>For starters, if we can express our views without uttering vulgarities, that will go a long way towards establishing and maintaining the credibility of web journalism. Let&#8217;s not demean ourselves by speaking like hooligans, even though  the object of our discussion attracts wrath, or to quote ST &#8220;makes our blood boil&#8221;.</p>
<p>Secondly, even if we do not agree with a certain viewpoint or policy, let&#8217;s state our views objectively and disagree amicably, instead of having the equivalent of trading punches, as what happens in parliamentary sessions elsewhere. Let&#8217;s not be biased, though that&#8217;s an easy route, and give credit when due, even if it&#8217;s to the Govt or ST.</p>
<p>In all fairness, the Govt has done a good job in many areas, particularly in raising the standards of living over the decades from the 70s, but in the most intimate aspect, that is, the heart of the people she leads and represents, she has fallen short as she listens more to what her head tells her than what her citizens are saying. The Govt will do well to take heed and do what is right for the citizens, who have an equal if not greater stake in the future of Singapore and her future generations.</p>
<p>Many families break down not because the head of the household is not bringing in enough, but because of the lack of communication and understanding amongst family members, and the gradual drifting apart over the years, as each gets intoxicated on his or her own pursuits. Move on? Sure, we must, but do the right thing before it&#8217;s too late.</p>
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		<title>By: family man</title>
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		<dc:creator>family man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for the hell of it, shall we start a &#039;stop buying ST&#039; campaign, maybe for a day? and ask all bloggers to post it and remind everyone?? I know sometimes we buy it for our parents / kids etc, but we can try right, to send a message to ST. Or get households to terminate the subscription for a month. TOC, would you like to lead this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for the hell of it, shall we start a &#8216;stop buying ST&#8217; campaign, maybe for a day? and ask all bloggers to post it and remind everyone?? I know sometimes we buy it for our parents / kids etc, but we can try right, to send a message to ST. Or get households to terminate the subscription for a month. TOC, would you like to lead this.</p>
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		<title>By: feedmetothefish</title>
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		<dc:creator>feedmetothefish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>..............I do not know if I &quot;feed on other netizen&#039;s vitriol&quot; as stated by Chua Lee Hoong of ST (which I found out to mean feed on sulphuric acid or bitterly abusive feeling or expression) but I do know that Xenoboy is right. This angry woman cannot defend her ex-boss and she is bitterly scathing and caustic (vitriolic?) to bloggers because exasperation and hopelessness has set in and blind faith and balls carrying is losing out to the light of truth!

Satisfaction lies with the fact that an &#039;O&#039; level Kopitiam Ah Pek like me (who needs to look up dictionary so often) can make the ST&#039;s political editor&#039;s blood boil! I feel my &quot;outrageous, snide, rabble-rousers&quot; rants finally pay off! I feel validated. I feel good!.............................

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..I do not know if I &#8220;feed on other netizen&#8217;s vitriol&#8221; as stated by Chua Lee Hoong of ST (which I found out to mean feed on sulphuric acid or bitterly abusive feeling or expression) but I do know that Xenoboy is right. This angry woman cannot defend her ex-boss and she is bitterly scathing and caustic (vitriolic?) to bloggers because exasperation and hopelessness has set in and blind faith and balls carrying is losing out to the light of truth!</p>
<p>Satisfaction lies with the fact that an &#8216;O&#8217; level Kopitiam Ah Pek like me (who needs to look up dictionary so often) can make the ST&#8217;s political editor&#8217;s blood boil! I feel my &#8220;outrageous, snide, rabble-rousers&#8221; rants finally pay off! I feel validated. I feel good!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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