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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 08:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;DPM Wong Kan Seng explains JI escape&quot;

We are now more interested to hear how himself can manage a great escape of accountability and responsibility than Selamat&#039;s escape. He make a bigger blunder more serious than Selamat.

And really, his traits of leadership are similar to PM Lee. That is irresponsibility, incompetence, ineptness, devoid of respect and credibility. No wonder both are protecting each other because both have the  words Prime Minister in their title ,  one genuine clown and another Deputy clown.</description>
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<p>We are now more interested to hear how himself can manage a great escape of accountability and responsibility than Selamat&#8217;s escape. He make a bigger blunder more serious than Selamat.</p>
<p>And really, his traits of leadership are similar to PM Lee. That is irresponsibility, incompetence, ineptness, devoid of respect and credibility. No wonder both are protecting each other because both have the  words Prime Minister in their title ,  one genuine clown and another Deputy clown.</p>
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		<title>By: The MSK/WKS Saga &#171; Winter Is Coming</title>
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		<dc:creator>The MSK/WKS Saga &#171; Winter Is Coming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 04:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] encountered the gurkhas; suffice to say they put the SAF&#8217;s elite formations to shame). The COI findings to have surprised me; I must say I have never seen a cubicle with two [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] encountered the gurkhas; suffice to say they put the SAF&#8217;s elite formations to shame). The COI findings to have surprised me; I must say I have never seen a cubicle with two [...]</p>
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		<title>By: SGDaily Roundup: Week 15 &#171; The Singapore Daily</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/dpm-wong-kan-seng-explains-ji-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-6816</link>
		<dc:creator>SGDaily Roundup: Week 15 &#171; The Singapore Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Apr 2008 02:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drawn map) - The Sun Shines on Singapore: Blame the Guards, Window and Fence - The Online Citizen: DPM Wong Kan Seng explains JI escape - My sketchbook: Security lapse as claimed - THE armchair critic: Silly mistakes says he who should [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] drawn map) &#8211; The Sun Shines on Singapore: Blame the Guards, Window and Fence &#8211; The Online Citizen: DPM Wong Kan Seng explains JI escape &#8211; My sketchbook: Security lapse as claimed &#8211; THE armchair critic: Silly mistakes says he who should [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:56:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Something is very wrong in this whole episode.  Just cannot put the finger on what it is exactly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Something is very wrong in this whole episode.  Just cannot put the finger on what it is exactly.</p>
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		<title>By: Dingo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/dpm-wong-kan-seng-explains-ji-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-6814</link>
		<dc:creator>Dingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 08:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it just me or does he have a funny way of saying &quot;Mas Selamat&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it just me or does he have a funny way of saying &#8220;Mas Selamat&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Weijia</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/dpm-wong-kan-seng-explains-ji-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-6813</link>
		<dc:creator>Weijia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:56:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder whether there is any significance to the recommendation for ISD to take over the detention centre. Hmmmmmmmm.

and please. i wish our &quot;leaders&quot; will answer questions properly for ONCE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder whether there is any significance to the recommendation for ISD to take over the detention centre. Hmmmmmmmm.</p>
<p>and please. i wish our &#8220;leaders&#8221; will answer questions properly for ONCE.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 05:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am impressed, very impressed indeed by DPM WONG KAN SENG!
Human weaknesses have caused events to happen, my god, and we all should know humans are prone to weaknesses and therefore things happened! So blame everybodys&#039; weakness not the person and people.

Yes, we all know corruption, abuse of power and impropriety are inherent human weaknesses, so blames should go to human nature not the man.

patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am impressed, very impressed indeed by DPM WONG KAN SENG!<br />
Human weaknesses have caused events to happen, my god, and we all should know humans are prone to weaknesses and therefore things happened! So blame everybodys&#8217; weakness not the person and people.</p>
<p>Yes, we all know corruption, abuse of power and impropriety are inherent human weaknesses, so blames should go to human nature not the man.</p>
<p>patriot.</p>
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		<title>By: blackfeline</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/dpm-wong-kan-seng-explains-ji-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-6811</link>
		<dc:creator>blackfeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:52:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah..whenever i look at the f*&amp;king face! hahahahahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahahahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah..whenever i look at the f*&amp;king face! hahahahahahahahaahahahahhahahahahahahahahahah</p>
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		<title>By: nicholas</title>
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		<dc:creator>nicholas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 04:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One thing I can confirm. The skin of WKS is very thick, probably the &quot;thickest&quot; in Singapore. Not even a hint of volunteering to take a paycut, let alone resign as minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing I can confirm. The skin of WKS is very thick, probably the &#8220;thickest&#8221; in Singapore. Not even a hint of volunteering to take a paycut, let alone resign as minister.</p>
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		<title>By: Daily SG: 22 Apr 2008 &#171; The Singapore Daily</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/dpm-wong-kan-seng-explains-ji-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-6809</link>
		<dc:creator>Daily SG: 22 Apr 2008 &#171; The Singapore Daily</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:37:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] drawn map) - The Sun Shines on Singapore: Blame the Guards, Window and Fence - The Online Citizen: DPM Wong Kan Seng explains JI escape - Unfortunately Singapore: COI Report: A Litany of Blunders, A Culture in Need of Change - My [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] drawn map) &#8211; The Sun Shines on Singapore: Blame the Guards, Window and Fence &#8211; The Online Citizen: DPM Wong Kan Seng explains JI escape &#8211; Unfortunately Singapore: COI Report: A Litany of Blunders, A Culture in Need of Change &#8211; My [...]</p>
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		<title>By: macktheknife</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/dpm-wong-kan-seng-explains-ji-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-6808</link>
		<dc:creator>macktheknife</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 03:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sack the Man i say!! I pissed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sack the Man i say!! I pissed!</p>
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		<title>By: hmm...</title>
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		<dc:creator>hmm...</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:23:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>does it take 7 weeks to build a new toilet at Whitley?? It looks brand new.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>does it take 7 weeks to build a new toilet at Whitley?? It looks brand new.</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/dpm-wong-kan-seng-explains-ji-escape/comment-page-1/#comment-6806</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WKS has taken the easy way out to lay the blame squarely on the GC guards.  Something is just missing in the whole report.

1)  No mention was made of how the design of the detention centre was commissioned.  Whoever was in charge must either be amateurs in security planning or experts in the design of  escape routes for potential escapists.

2) The ledge in the urinal cabinet &amp; the top hung window which can open out are so inviting for any potential escapist.

2)  Why do we need the window to be top hung when there is already an adjacent exhaust fan for ventilation purpose ?

3)  Why do we have a door for the urinal cubicle for privacy when it is afterall meant to be shared by 2 urinals ?

4)  Why do they need to have CCTVs installed if they are not meant to be commissioned ?  Nobody has provide any information as to when the CCTVs were meant to be commissioned.

5)  Doesn&#039;t it occur to any of the 3 guards that a men&#039;s piss at the urinal should not have taken more than a minute of waiting ?

6) And definitely wasn&#039;t it strange that a man would need to remove the trousers in order to piss at the urinal ?

And it was even stranger for WKS to answer &quot;The guard might have thought that for whatever reason,  Mas Selamat needed to take off his pants while at the urinal&quot;.  My further question for WKS is : How can you even know what the guard MIGHT have thought ?

Is this the type of world class talents that we have which our leaders are constantly boasting to the whole world ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WKS has taken the easy way out to lay the blame squarely on the GC guards.  Something is just missing in the whole report.</p>
<p>1)  No mention was made of how the design of the detention centre was commissioned.  Whoever was in charge must either be amateurs in security planning or experts in the design of  escape routes for potential escapists.</p>
<p>2) The ledge in the urinal cabinet &amp; the top hung window which can open out are so inviting for any potential escapist.</p>
<p>2)  Why do we need the window to be top hung when there is already an adjacent exhaust fan for ventilation purpose ?</p>
<p>3)  Why do we have a door for the urinal cubicle for privacy when it is afterall meant to be shared by 2 urinals ?</p>
<p>4)  Why do they need to have CCTVs installed if they are not meant to be commissioned ?  Nobody has provide any information as to when the CCTVs were meant to be commissioned.</p>
<p>5)  Doesn&#8217;t it occur to any of the 3 guards that a men&#8217;s piss at the urinal should not have taken more than a minute of waiting ?</p>
<p>6) And definitely wasn&#8217;t it strange that a man would need to remove the trousers in order to piss at the urinal ?</p>
<p>And it was even stranger for WKS to answer &#8220;The guard might have thought that for whatever reason,  Mas Selamat needed to take off his pants while at the urinal&#8221;.  My further question for WKS is : How can you even know what the guard MIGHT have thought ?</p>
<p>Is this the type of world class talents that we have which our leaders are constantly boasting to the whole world ?</p>
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		<title>By: sarek_home</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarek_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 00:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;He said: “Within individual units, there could be some slackening in some ways. I can’t guarantee that would not happen because in any human organisation, there would be human weaknesses displayed and unfortunately, things do happen that we don’t want to see.”&lt;/i&gt;

&lt;b&gt;“Within individual units, there could be some slackening in some ways.&lt;/b&gt; because the leaders of those units are &lt;b&gt;slacking&lt;/b&gt;.  These leaders are slacking because the leaders leading them are &lt;b&gt;slacking&lt;/b&gt;.  The ultimately, it is the top leader that is &lt;b&gt;slacking&lt;/b&gt; results in the &lt;b&gt;slacking&lt;/b&gt; down the chain of command.

&lt;b&gt;&quot;I can’t guarantee that would not happen&quot;&lt;/b&gt;, then we should find someone who &lt;b&gt;can&lt;/b&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>He said: “Within individual units, there could be some slackening in some ways. I can’t guarantee that would not happen because in any human organisation, there would be human weaknesses displayed and unfortunately, things do happen that we don’t want to see.”</i></p>
<p><b>“Within individual units, there could be some slackening in some ways.</b> because the leaders of those units are <b>slacking</b>.  These leaders are slacking because the leaders leading them are <b>slacking</b>.  The ultimately, it is the top leader that is <b>slacking</b> results in the <b>slacking</b> down the chain of command.</p>
<p><b>&#8220;I can’t guarantee that would not happen&#8221;</b>, then we should find someone who <b>can</b>.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:42:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>WKS:
While he acknowledged complacency in the operations of the detention centre, Mr Wong dismissed suggestions that his ministry had been complacent in supervising its departments.

He said: &quot;Within individual units, there could be some slackening in some ways. I can&#039;t guarantee that would not happen because in any human organisation, there would be human weaknesses displayed and unfortunately, things do happen that we don&#039;t want to see.&quot;

Pfftt. That&#039;s why we are paying you top dollar to ensure the workings of your ministry. If human errors happen, heads roll. Anyway, blaming on human error is really a weak excuse/reason. If you expect top dollar, expect to handle top dollar responsibilities and ownership.

Kaffein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WKS:<br />
While he acknowledged complacency in the operations of the detention centre, Mr Wong dismissed suggestions that his ministry had been complacent in supervising its departments.</p>
<p>He said: &#8220;Within individual units, there could be some slackening in some ways. I can&#8217;t guarantee that would not happen because in any human organisation, there would be human weaknesses displayed and unfortunately, things do happen that we don&#8217;t want to see.&#8221;</p>
<p>Pfftt. That&#8217;s why we are paying you top dollar to ensure the workings of your ministry. If human errors happen, heads roll. Anyway, blaming on human error is really a weak excuse/reason. If you expect top dollar, expect to handle top dollar responsibilities and ownership.</p>
<p>Kaffein</p>
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		<title>By: Did WKS co-authored this book? &#171; My Public Personal Grumblings</title>
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		<dc:creator>Did WKS co-authored this book? &#171; My Public Personal Grumblings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Posted by jaronliu on April 22, 2008  DPM Wong Kan Seng explains JI Mas Selamat escape [...]</description>
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		<title>By: feedmetothefish</title>
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		<dc:creator>feedmetothefish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>At last, the 1948 Show!

With LKY, who needs COI?

I&#039;m wiser now at http://feedmetothefish.blogspot.com/

Is it going to get better with PM taking centre stage tomorrow?

Not another, &quot;What to do, it&#039;s happened&quot; I hope :)

Feedmetothefish</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At last, the 1948 Show!</p>
<p>With LKY, who needs COI?</p>
<p>I&#8217;m wiser now at <a href="http://feedmetothefish.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://feedmetothefish.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Is it going to get better with PM taking centre stage tomorrow?</p>
<p>Not another, &#8220;What to do, it&#8217;s happened&#8221; I hope :)</p>
<p>Feedmetothefish</p>
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		<title>By: Dingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh my I wonder what is the fate of the guards he&#039;s mentioning..</description>
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		<title>By: mrtoastbox</title>
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		<dc:creator>mrtoastbox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:35:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no need to watch the video.

I have neatly summarized the entire COI report in one graphic.

http://unbrandedbreadnbutter.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/toilet-break-season-3-4-idiots-and-a-baby/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no need to watch the video.</p>
<p>I have neatly summarized the entire COI report in one graphic.</p>
<p><a href="http://unbrandedbreadnbutter.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/toilet-break-season-3-4-idiots-and-a-baby/" rel="nofollow">http://unbrandedbreadnbutter.wordpress.com/2008/04/21/toilet-break-season-3-4-idiots-and-a-baby/</a></p>
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