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	<title>Comments on: JI escape: COI&#8217;s report and ministerial statement</title>
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		<title>By: Cannot hold water</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cannot hold water</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Apr 2008 11:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should have a inquiry to study the COI review, as the report has many unanswered questions.

Such as the

1)CCTV
2)Tracker dogs
3)method of attempted capture of MSK after the 11th minute

4)why was a stress test not done ?

5)when was the latest video they have of MSK ?

6)Why did they need to power down the CCTV ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should have a inquiry to study the COI review, as the report has many unanswered questions.</p>
<p>Such as the</p>
<p>1)CCTV<br />
2)Tracker dogs<br />
3)method of attempted capture of MSK after the 11th minute</p>
<p>4)why was a stress test not done ?</p>
<p>5)when was the latest video they have of MSK ?</p>
<p>6)Why did they need to power down the CCTV ?</p>
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		<title>By: Observer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/ji-escape-cois-report-and-ministerial-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-6798</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Apr 2008 10:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This COI report is still not conclusive. It does not have concrete facts to back up the findings.  The findings or &quot;believes&quot; expressed by the COI is based on analysis and conjectures. It therefore cannot be taken as the whole truth and nothing but the truth. At best, it serves as a base for further analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This COI report is still not conclusive. It does not have concrete facts to back up the findings.  The findings or &#8220;believes&#8221; expressed by the COI is based on analysis and conjectures. It therefore cannot be taken as the whole truth and nothing but the truth. At best, it serves as a base for further analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Haha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ST pix does not show a sink in the urinal cubicle. So what was Mas Selamat using? Wong Kan Sink?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ST pix does not show a sink in the urinal cubicle. So what was Mas Selamat using? Wong Kan Sink?</p>
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		<title>By: Insulted</title>
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		<dc:creator>Insulted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 01:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the main facts which stood out was that so many parties were involved in the operation of the centre which I believe had 41 detainees at the peak, that the blame cannot be directed at one particular person or agency.

Typically people at the top just simply point fingers but never take the responsibility. This leaves us to wonder whether this situation needs to be remedied. Take for example, if something screws up in the single seat constituency, the MP will have to have to bear the responsibility. In this respect Chaim and Low have proven they are worth their salt and stood up to extreme scrutiny and despite all the negative rating, the constituens have faith in them. But what happens in a GRC, with its huge machinery and a posse of MPs. Some don&#039;t even know who their MPs are for there are so many. Who takes responsibility or will it be another classic case of &quot;blindsiding&quot; when something screws up.

Based on the same theory I believe a bloated Government and Civil Service will not only lead to more to &quot;blindsiding&quot; but eventually total &quot;blindness&quot; in any country. A case where no one actually knows or cares what&#039;s happening or thinks its not his job as long as nothing screws up. Was it not the case with the highway collapse as well.

In the absence of moral authority which we have seen displayed in other first world countries where Ministers take full responsibility instead of refusing to relinguish power like the third world leaders, there is a need to to have a lean and clear structure where areas of responsiblity and overall ownership is clearly defined and the select brilliant, extraordinary and elite individuals are held responsible directly for the high numeration they receive. Private sector benchmarks should not be used only to compare compensation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the main facts which stood out was that so many parties were involved in the operation of the centre which I believe had 41 detainees at the peak, that the blame cannot be directed at one particular person or agency.</p>
<p>Typically people at the top just simply point fingers but never take the responsibility. This leaves us to wonder whether this situation needs to be remedied. Take for example, if something screws up in the single seat constituency, the MP will have to have to bear the responsibility. In this respect Chaim and Low have proven they are worth their salt and stood up to extreme scrutiny and despite all the negative rating, the constituens have faith in them. But what happens in a GRC, with its huge machinery and a posse of MPs. Some don&#8217;t even know who their MPs are for there are so many. Who takes responsibility or will it be another classic case of &#8220;blindsiding&#8221; when something screws up.</p>
<p>Based on the same theory I believe a bloated Government and Civil Service will not only lead to more to &#8220;blindsiding&#8221; but eventually total &#8220;blindness&#8221; in any country. A case where no one actually knows or cares what&#8217;s happening or thinks its not his job as long as nothing screws up. Was it not the case with the highway collapse as well.</p>
<p>In the absence of moral authority which we have seen displayed in other first world countries where Ministers take full responsibility instead of refusing to relinguish power like the third world leaders, there is a need to to have a lean and clear structure where areas of responsiblity and overall ownership is clearly defined and the select brilliant, extraordinary and elite individuals are held responsible directly for the high numeration they receive. Private sector benchmarks should not be used only to compare compensation.</p>
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		<title>By: Believe it or not</title>
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		<dc:creator>Believe it or not</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 23:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did the committee accept the findings or were the report details repeated again and again in many tunes till it was finally accepted..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the committee accept the findings or were the report details repeated again and again in many tunes till it was finally accepted..</p>
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		<title>By: cesla</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/ji-escape-cois-report-and-ministerial-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-6794</link>
		<dc:creator>cesla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 17:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote cite=&quot;i for one applaud the fact that they are beginning to talk about this incident in the open. Its the first step towards more transparency.&quot;&gt;

What transparency? The Committee of Inquiry has one Home Affairs bigshot included.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote cite="i for one applaud the fact that they are beginning to talk about this incident in the open. Its the first step towards more transparency.">
<p>What transparency? The Committee of Inquiry has one Home Affairs bigshot included.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: I Also Can Sing.</title>
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		<dc:creator>I Also Can Sing.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 16:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Wong Can Sing, well done, good show.  You have done a great job.
You deserve a hefty pay increase come 1st July and 10 months&#039; bonus at end of the year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Wong Can Sing, well done, good show.  You have done a great job.<br />
You deserve a hefty pay increase come 1st July and 10 months&#8217; bonus at end of the year.</p>
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		<title>By: Nude me</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nude me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:27:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They said MSK escaped without his pants?

I am sure thats why no one could see him, everyone close their eyes.

Also i believe that toilet was newly renovated, because there would have been others before MSK&#039;s escape if given a toilet with no grills.

Frankly why is it , I am not convinced ??

I think we should outsource and get a real independent investigation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They said MSK escaped without his pants?</p>
<p>I am sure thats why no one could see him, everyone close their eyes.</p>
<p>Also i believe that toilet was newly renovated, because there would have been others before MSK&#8217;s escape if given a toilet with no grills.</p>
<p>Frankly why is it , I am not convinced ??</p>
<p>I think we should outsource and get a real independent investigation.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:23:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mas Selamat was escorted to the toilet by three Security Personnels, two Gurkhas and a Female ISD Officer and yet he was able to escaped, tell it to the deities in Loyang Tua Pek Kong Temple. They will be the only ones that will believe the Story!

patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mas Selamat was escorted to the toilet by three Security Personnels, two Gurkhas and a Female ISD Officer and yet he was able to escaped, tell it to the deities in Loyang Tua Pek Kong Temple. They will be the only ones that will believe the Story!</p>
<p>patriot.</p>
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		<title>By: Yi-Long</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/ji-escape-cois-report-and-ministerial-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-6790</link>
		<dc:creator>Yi-Long</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typical response from Ministers on tricky questions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Typical response from Ministers on tricky questions.</p>
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		<title>By: funny</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/ji-escape-cois-report-and-ministerial-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-6789</link>
		<dc:creator>funny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:55:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Insulted. It was quite a comedy on TV, except that it was happening in Singapore parliament. I guess if you have a clown prince as the head, it happens. What to do??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Insulted. It was quite a comedy on TV, except that it was happening in Singapore parliament. I guess if you have a clown prince as the head, it happens. What to do??</p>
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		<title>By: Insulted</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/ji-escape-cois-report-and-ministerial-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-6788</link>
		<dc:creator>Insulted</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 14:22:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just watched the evening news and Paliament report after a long time and yet nothing much as changed.
I think our Ministers actually do not understand the questions (just like our Mps who don;t understand policies) or simply throw back a question and aviod answering.

Who audits ISD?
We had evrything from what&#039;s going to happen and what lapses have been plugged but not the direct answer. Wonder who audits GIC or Temasek.

No answer to Low&#039;s question about the public rumours also but a question back to him as to whether he believes it and he said no and yet no direct answer.

What was more fun to watch was the behaviour of the other people in Paliament. Reminded me of an audience watching a Police Academy 5</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched the evening news and Paliament report after a long time and yet nothing much as changed.<br />
I think our Ministers actually do not understand the questions (just like our Mps who don;t understand policies) or simply throw back a question and aviod answering.</p>
<p>Who audits ISD?<br />
We had evrything from what&#8217;s going to happen and what lapses have been plugged but not the direct answer. Wonder who audits GIC or Temasek.</p>
<p>No answer to Low&#8217;s question about the public rumours also but a question back to him as to whether he believes it and he said no and yet no direct answer.</p>
<p>What was more fun to watch was the behaviour of the other people in Paliament. Reminded me of an audience watching a Police Academy 5</p>
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		<title>By: aygee</title>
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		<dc:creator>aygee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:50:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys,

whatever happened is still open for interpretation, whether you want to believe it or not.

i remember someone mentioned on this blog before, and i also have personally seen this too - in the army, a detainee is often accompanied by a military police officer to the toilet. If we take the report at face value, clearly there was a lapse in prisoner handling SOP.

above everything else, i for one applaud the fact that they are beginning to talk about this incident in the open. Its the first step towards more transparency.

May this continue, and may the press be allowed to be more open and independent. they will help keep things in check.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys,</p>
<p>whatever happened is still open for interpretation, whether you want to believe it or not.</p>
<p>i remember someone mentioned on this blog before, and i also have personally seen this too &#8211; in the army, a detainee is often accompanied by a military police officer to the toilet. If we take the report at face value, clearly there was a lapse in prisoner handling SOP.</p>
<p>above everything else, i for one applaud the fact that they are beginning to talk about this incident in the open. Its the first step towards more transparency.</p>
<p>May this continue, and may the press be allowed to be more open and independent. they will help keep things in check.</p>
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		<title>By: noone</title>
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		<dc:creator>noone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 12:31:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Gopalan suggests, more prison breaks from WDC should occur since they ae not terrorists. They should be united with Abu Baka Bashir who to Gopalan is also not a terrorist. The they should assist their friends in Bangram and Guantanamo and elsewhere to escape since by Gopalan&#039;s defintion, none of them are terrorists.

As Gopalan said: Go Kastari.

I vote for GN as the next POTUS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Gopalan suggests, more prison breaks from WDC should occur since they ae not terrorists. They should be united with Abu Baka Bashir who to Gopalan is also not a terrorist. The they should assist their friends in Bangram and Guantanamo and elsewhere to escape since by Gopalan&#8217;s defintion, none of them are terrorists.</p>
<p>As Gopalan said: Go Kastari.</p>
<p>I vote for GN as the next POTUS</p>
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		<title>By: The Prince</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/ji-escape-cois-report-and-ministerial-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-6787</link>
		<dc:creator>The Prince</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:25:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>toc how did you get the executive summary? it is not found in parliament website? good job! now we can cut and paste without depending on the media&#039;s selective reporting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>toc how did you get the executive summary? it is not found in parliament website? good job! now we can cut and paste without depending on the media&#8217;s selective reporting.</p>
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		<title>By: Singapore Resident</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/04/ji-escape-cois-report-and-ministerial-statement/comment-page-1/#comment-6786</link>
		<dc:creator>Singapore Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 11:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;ISD urinal cubicles have mirrors in them (for grooming)

No mirror lah...he probably use the water in toilet bowl as mirror

Perhaps we should request the GC guard to re-enact shaving (with ?) and combing hair</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;ISD urinal cubicles have mirrors in them (for grooming)</p>
<p>No mirror lah&#8230;he probably use the water in toilet bowl as mirror</p>
<p>Perhaps we should request the GC guard to re-enact shaving (with ?) and combing hair</p>
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		<title>By: talking cock</title>
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		<dc:creator>talking cock</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahaha aiya nobody&#039;s fault lah.

Wah very good job on the recommendations.
everybody payrise!

except for the citizens. who ask u complacent!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahaha aiya nobody&#8217;s fault lah.</p>
<p>Wah very good job on the recommendations.<br />
everybody payrise!</p>
<p>except for the citizens. who ask u complacent!</p>
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		<title>By: Haha</title>
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		<dc:creator>Haha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[ No one was actively monitoring the two CCTV cameras covering the outer
and inner perimeter fences at the rear of the Family Visitation Block. ]

No one was looking at the cameras but were they recording? Zero mention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[ No one was actively monitoring the two CCTV cameras covering the outer<br />
and inner perimeter fences at the rear of the Family Visitation Block. ]</p>
<p>No one was looking at the cameras but were they recording? Zero mention.</p>
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		<title>By: TooMuch</title>
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		<dc:creator>TooMuch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 10:22:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I learned today:
1) ISD puts urinals in cubicles with doors
2) Toilet paper is provided in urinal cubicles
3) ISD urinal cubicles have mirrors in them (for grooming)
4) Someone was kooning in the CCTV room
5) ISD fences don&#039;t have trip sensors
6) Only person to get sacked will be the cleaning Ah Soh who put 7 rolls of toilet paper in the cubicle. Without those, mas Selamat would have broken his right leg as well and wouldn&#039;t have been able to escape</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I learned today:<br />
1) ISD puts urinals in cubicles with doors<br />
2) Toilet paper is provided in urinal cubicles<br />
3) ISD urinal cubicles have mirrors in them (for grooming)<br />
4) Someone was kooning in the CCTV room<br />
5) ISD fences don&#8217;t have trip sensors<br />
6) Only person to get sacked will be the cleaning Ah Soh who put 7 rolls of toilet paper in the cubicle. Without those, mas Selamat would have broken his right leg as well and wouldn&#8217;t have been able to escape</p>
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		<title>By: Aidil Omar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aidil Omar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A whole lot of bollocks in my opinion. Period.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A whole lot of bollocks in my opinion. Period.</p>
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