Friday, May 30, 2008 9:02

China man bashed for ‘talking too loudly’ on bus

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From The New Paper.

May 29, 2008.

Mr Liu, a China national working as a waiter at the Beng Thin Hoon Kee Restaurant in OCBC Centre, had made the call to his mother in Jilin, China, after he finished work on Sunday night.

Said Mr Liu, 22, in Mandarin: ‘I was talking to my mum when I boarded bus number 145 from Boat Quay.’

He said the bus had about 20 people in it.

Soon after he sat down, he claimed that a man sitting some rows behind him told him aggressively to keep his voice down.

‘I was still talking to my mother. So I lowered my voice. She kept asking me what was happening. I didn’t want to worry her, so I told her it was all right,’ he said.

After he finished the conversation with his mother, he turned to look at the man.

‘He was still scolding me, gesturing with his hands and feet. He made his hand into the shape of a gun and pointed at me. Then he kicked his legs about, in a threatening manner,’ said Mr Liu.

He claimed the man then rushed over and started beating him up.

‘He just came at me, held my neck and rained blows down the right side of my face,’ he said.

Read the full article here.

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Aidil Omar
May 30, 2008 9:46

Xenophobia has finally reared its ugly head here.

C J
May 30, 2008 9:49

That this finally happened is not a surprise to me at ll.
People of China have yet to learn that their ways and mannerisms aren’t applicable on foreign lands. To intergrate, into a society that’s foreign, they should learn to adopt the culture of the society they intend to work and live in.
I am sure, there are many more other such incidences that are unreported.

This should teach them to tone down.

The other peculiar thing is, how bashing them up can become a Seizable Offence when a local bashed up by anyone else, needs to apply to the Magistrate for any action to be taken against the assailant/s.

Lopsided – if you ask me.

Weijia
May 30, 2008 9:57

let’s all not be a xenophobe then.

Sylvester Lim
May 30, 2008 9:57

Agtee with CJ. It seems that when Singaporeans are involved, it is a Civil case. The law is applied differently to foreigners? Singaporeans have to start learning to verbalize publicly and outloud their unhappiness and not hold your anger until it blows. Taking it out on the foreigner would not be the solution. The Singapore government is now welcoming these people with wide open arms. If we do not like their behave, then, we have to speak out and tell them so.

Deaf and Mute
May 30, 2008 11:07

Sorry Sylvester, (comments edited by moderator) They are NOT LISTENING TO US !!

Moderator: Please don’t make personal attacks. Thanks.

Gary Teoh
May 30, 2008 11:10

It is the govt’s fault not to educate these foreigners when they landed here. The govt welcome them but leave all the integration work to locals. This is not fair. Govt keep asking us to embrace them into local community, but it is they who are not interested to blend in because in their mind, they are here to earn as much as they can in a shortest possible time, so that they can send money back. Anyway it is their culture to talk loudly not only in bus but also in many places such as restaurants, in tour groups, …..

Singaporean
May 30, 2008 11:19

Well, this is something waiting to happen and it has happened. This unhealthy tension is going to be felt even more in future depending on how well we manage the well-being of fellow Singaporeans, especially those that feel that their interest (especially those of the low income groups whose jobs may be displaced) is being sidelined because of the in flux of FT’s (the low income type also).

The impression given (though I could be wrong) is that anger on the decision-makers and their policies are unfortunately being diverted / translated to unhealthy actions on the innocent FT’s who are naturally attracted here to make a living in our “wonderful environment”.

C J
May 30, 2008 11:27

I agree with ‘Singaporean’, however, take note that Singapore may and can soon become less attractive as a place for these PRCs to make a living or stay permanently, given to rising costs of living which our All Wise Government continually refuses to address.
They dogly enforce their Foreign Talent policy just like the Stop at Two family planning policy decades ago, and now there’s a reversal because people aren’t reproducing enough. So I hear they are banking on FTs to replace loss citizens and low birth rates – but they overlook the reasons why people aren’t reproducing; Costs of Living. Even maids are leaving for better paying countries.

When is government going to wake up? Porbably when it is all too late. Just like Stop at Two.

C J
May 30, 2008 11:32

Talking it back and forth; government says we should emulate the ‘hunger’ of these PRCs and other FTs to learn upgrade and excel in order to stay competent in the job market. Then on the other hand, it was published recently in the papers that locals are working too hard and staying back in office too late and not spending enough time with family, in addressing the concern of Low Birth Rate.

Which do they want? Certainly they cannot have the best of both. One attribute trades off for the other. This is the problem with the current government, they have too many cooks spoiling the soup they been trying so hard to perfect.

aygee
May 30, 2008 11:33

“welcoming these people..”, they want to earn as much as possible so they can send money back…

i dont know, guys, but those words sound very uncomfortable to me.

there are many singaporeans who are doing the same thing in China and in many other countries too.

C J
May 30, 2008 11:37

agree, but why aren’t our Singaporeans being bashed up in China for being annoyingly loud? Instead, there are many incidences of Singaporeans being cheated or ‘eaten’ alive trying to make it there?

C J
May 30, 2008 11:41

In fact, the very cause of rising Oil Prices are quite substantially contributed by China’s increased consumption of fuel due to excalating car ownership. Largely due to booming economy and rising afluent families. But the recent quake that devastated Sichuan, saw donations being sought despite being a super economy?

peace no fight
May 30, 2008 11:54

I fully agree with CJ that they have yet to learn that their ways and mannerisms aren’t applicable on foreign lands. I ever encountered some “FT” (I wonder if they really are) arrogant replies when I tried to tell them nicely. Once I happened to tell a FT staying at my block not to smoke in the lift. His reply was “SO, i also paid for the lift”. Anyway, what reported in the new is just only his own story. He might have done something that trigger the attack.

This so call FT also bring along their habits and culture from their homeland. If you happen to drive pass Fernvale drive in the evening, you will know what i mean. They will cycle together and occupied the entire road, sometimes to the extend pushing one another while riding on the bicycle. Even if there is a car behind them, they will still ignore and behave like they own the entire road.

C J
May 30, 2008 12:10

peace no fight;
Unfortunately, these sightings you claim to have bore witness to, are unseen by our government that sucks up to China so much, they have turned a blind eye. Unless they were cuaght commiting a crime, will they be punished by the book, by Law. Anything else, such as culture shock, they will say it is public’s responsibility to ‘Help’ them ‘Integrate’.

C J
May 30, 2008 12:12

In the first place, do they WANT to be ‘helped’, to say nothing of ‘Integrating’ to our society?
I feel that they’re here to dance all over our heads, stepping stones all of us, and then depart with Sing Dollars to USA – a larger, more opportunitic country. Unfortunately over there, many of them are being shot to death instead of just bashed.

reverand
May 30, 2008 13:31

The China guy deserved it. I mean, why stare back at someone who is already angry?

Since Chinese and Indian workers descend upon our shore, the decibel has increased in the buses and other public transports and places. Add to all these noises are the construction work and the sick insipid mobile TV (please spare me your repetitive broadcast). Singapore is just one big orgy of noise pollution.

chinagal
May 30, 2008 13:35

Ha ha, the same can be said of Singaporeans who are oversea. Just a bunch of uncouth and tasteless people, always comparing prices and looking for discount. Wait till someone beat up some Singaporean oversea, then you see.

sarongstone
May 30, 2008 13:39

The earthquake and all this bashing of Chinaman happened, isn’t that karma? When you’re not nice that the bad things happen to you? Serve you right for supressing Tibet and bullying Dalai my good friend.

Dr.Huang
May 30, 2008 15:19

Hi all
There is no place for such thuggish behaviour.
Kudos for those public-spirited people who helped him apprehend the assailant.
Whoever the assailant is – whether local or foreignor or Chinese or other races does not matter.
There is no place for assault against anybody!
We should not be blaming foreignors for everything!

Weijia
May 30, 2008 15:32

Sarongstone,
i find your comment lacking in good taste, especially your mention of the earthquake. As for your claim about Tibet, don’t blindly believe what the press (local, western, eastern or otherwise) say.

Netizen Ramseth
May 30, 2008 20:42

Actually, I don’t think it’s got anything to do with xenophobia or sinophobia. After all, most of us Singaporeans are descendants of migrants.

Really, PRC Chinese talk too loud. Very annoyingly uncultured. But we shouldn’t contest them in barbarism by beating them up.

What they’re disgracing is 5,000 years of classical civilisation that thought the Japanese how to be courteous, speak softly and bow. Of course, ethnic Chinese Singaporeans inadvertently share in the disgrace.

Notice that ethnic Chinese Singaporeans are the most vocal against PRC Chinese immigrants, not the other races.

Say What you Think
May 30, 2008 23:19

Chinaman should just remain in their own country if they do not want to change their behaviour when they are in a different country. When in Rome, do what the Romans do.

We shouldn’t allow thugish behaviour of course, but we shouldn’t allow loutish behaviour and uncouth beings into Singapore either. You allow just one of them to come, and they will bring their whole hundreds of relatives to descend on our shores. Their children will take PR, but will not become citizens, because they tell you that their Greater China is better than Singapore. But ahbuthen… why come to Singapore to study and work? And watch their PRC mothers (also known as peidu mamas) fraternise with our sg lao ah pek, love them and leave them?

Ronin
May 31, 2008 0:33

It is likley that the PRC man might have spoken very loudly on his phone. I have seen loud PRC many times. There was once when I could hear a PRC man chatting on the phone from another MRT train carriage!!!

Also, the attacker might have lost his job to a PRC man….thus bearing a grudge. Can we blame him??

C J
May 31, 2008 5:29

Blame no one, but our government.
Seriously, think about it. How did this out of control influx of PRC started?
The job market is plundered by them, 9 out of 10 WILL NEVER consider setting roots here citing that their motherland is far larger, and other counties like USA sits high in their list of prefered land of migration.

Sadly, our government is blind to these facts. Meanwhile, locals suffer the consequence of their obstinate opinion – and who knows it is the Levees the government are benefiting from? Remaining Competitive in this sense I believe.

Economy is kept afloat here in SG by the govt., but honestly tell me, WHO is benefiting economically?

Say What you Think
May 31, 2008 7:41

The PRCs are benefitting of course. They come here, fraternise with the local men, have their children study here to compete with the local students, take all the big prizes, get PR, and then go elsewhere later when they have the means. And all throughout, while enjoying the benefits here… they will say China is still a much better place, has a much bigger space, economic powerhouse etc. while deriding Singapore. And also that If they had more money they would have gone to the US or UK, but had to settle for Singapore due to financial constraints. But what to do? I do understand that the govt is trying to grow the population to 6.5m. That is why sg govt is pulling out all the stops for them hoping that they will settle down here. Fat hope. They will just take the benefits first and run away later when their sons have to serve NS or remain as PR to milk Singapore as much as possible. Don’t believe? See how many of these easily gotten PR cases convert to citizenship. A mere pittance. While others have to prove their economic net worth and contributions to gain PR status in Singapore, these young students here get PR easily, opening a huge pathway for all and sundry to cheong over to our pristine shores,

C J
May 31, 2008 8:09

Say What you Think;

I agree with what you said.
And to all this, I say that our govt. is so unbvelievably NAIVE….
Their foolishness at the expense of locals.

Jk
May 31, 2008 8:56

C J, our government doesn’t care about what we feel. They know that there is nothing that we can do about it. We citizens don’t have very much chance of voting the PAP out of power. In fact, as citizens, how many of us can actually say we have voted in a general election.

LKY already said that the government knows that a lot of these migrants will leave. They’re just hoping that some of the good ones will stay. So we have to treat these migrants nicely and hope that some of the good ones stay on.

We’re nothing more than second class citizens in our own country.

C J
May 31, 2008 12:03

JK, take heart;
always remember that NOTHING and NO ONE, lasts FOREVER.

If the govt keeps up with their ways, the repercusions will be irreversible – they will be their own undoing.

I said it before, and I will say it again; they now have more than sufficient rope, to hang themselves with.

Andrew Loh
May 31, 2008 20:20

Interesting to note that the New Paper report didn’t mention if the attacker was a Singaporean. But either way, it is stupid and unnecessary to resort to violence.

I hope the China guy is ok.

JustMe
May 31, 2008 23:06

Violence begets violence. Let massive love flow all around. Make lots of love! :)

Singaporean
May 31, 2008 23:39

C J on May 31st, 2008 8.09 am Say
And to all this, I say that our govt. is so unbvelievably NAIVE….
Their foolishness at the expense of locals.

You really think our govt is so naive and foolish? I do not think so. In fact, they have it all worked out. This is a strategy to remain in power at the next election. Why do you think he needs seven bodyguards in so safe Singapore if he did not know many Singaporeans are pissed off? Why do you think he is letting the stress build up in tiny Singapore for certain categories of people? Why do you think he is letting as many foreigners in as much as possible and treating them to welcome parties etc etc. This is called changing of the Blood. You let go the bad blood and transfuse with fresh blood. Fresh blood that will nourish you with oxygen and nutrients and not bad blood that saturates your body with toxins and acid. Get it?

C J
Jun 1, 2008 8:11

Singaporean:
‘Changing of Blood’ – this is even more NAIVE & FOOLISH, for assuming these PRCs are stupid. They are more cunning then anyone can give them credits for.
Of all foreigners, these from China are more calculative, observant, & too far sighted to fall for such a strategy.
Go ask around and see how many PRCs intends to become citizens in this crockpot slow cooker of an island country…

JustMe
Jun 1, 2008 21:54

I wonder how many PRCs are reading this blog :)

C J
Jun 2, 2008 5:37

JustMe:
Those who can read, are few. Those who cannot read, are countless.
However, it will make no difference – they are ONLY here to make money and then leave. While in this process, they occupy jobs, & schools while locals are left to their own device.
I’m sure they (those who can read)can see what sort of benefits they too will get if they opt to take up citizenship.

patriot
Jun 2, 2008 18:01

Dear Fellow Singaporeans;

Please be more tolerant with foreigners working in our land, first, they are in fact ‘invited’ to work here, employers here prefer them over us and our government loves the Idea. High productions at very low costs and levies to collect for good revenues; win, win, win all the way for both employers and Government. Not all foreigners are well taken care of; recall blogs that highlighted their(foreigners) plights and Voluntary Welfare Organizations helping them with their problems?

Now, as for speaking loudly, other than the fact that certain China Nationals of specific regions having traditional high volume speak manners, long distance phone conversations may in fact require high volume(of speech), especially if the conversations involve old folks. As such, let us have a sense of understandings; liked what chinagal had observed, even Singaporeans are loutish when abroad. So, it would not be good to say that such Singaporeans do deserve physical abuses. We have to have some sense of proportion.

patriot.

C J
Jun 2, 2008 19:21

patriot:
To date, I can only see at most 2 wins (employers & government). Where/who is the 3rd win going to? Certainly it cannot be the locals, with all the negative impacts suffered, or as you would put it, tolerated?

patriot
Jun 3, 2008 2:03

Dear CJ;

one win goes to the foreigners who earn more than they do in their own country.

May I add that there is no sin for anyone to send and take monies they worked for, home. Similarly, any businessman in lawful and non vice industries are entitle to their profits as well.

It is sinful monies made through exploitations, underhand manipulations(cheats/cons), vices and excessive profiteerings that are condemnable.

Regards; patriot.

C J
Jun 3, 2008 6:11

patriot:

And where does this moral equation leave locals standing? It seems you have somehow left out the plights of locals drowning in this unchecked influx of FTs – particularly from China. No one is objecting to the idea that FTs contributes to economy, but like any form or ‘medication’, an overdose does more damage than good.
The sin is in a govt that cares only about themselves, while people are left to their own device, conveniently citing competitivity.

C J
Jun 3, 2008 6:17

From the New Paper:
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Mr Let Fly says
PHONE RAGE ON MRT, BUSES

Stop yakking so loudly!
Only the fear of retaliation stops this engineer from confronting loud commuters on buses, trains
By Tan May Ping

June 03, 2008

SHUSH, you commuters are talking too loudly on your handphones.

Mr Jimmy Ho demonstrating how people talk loudly on their handphones on buses and MRT trains. TNP Picture: NATASHIA LEE
That is Mr Jimmy Ho’s message to those who talk at the top of their voices on buses and MRT trains.

The 47-year-old technical support engineer in a multinational company said that he often comes across such inconsiderate behaviour when he takes public transport.

‘Too many people use their handphones loudly in public places, paying scant attention to the irritation they cause others,’ he said.

Mr Ho wrote to The New Paper after he read a report last Wednesday about China national Liu Tie being assaulted by a fellow bus passenger for talking too loudly on his handphone.

Mr Liu, 22, who was talking to his mother in China, suffered a swollen eye and scratches on his neck.

Mr Ho said the report struck a chord with him.

He stresses he doesn’t condone violence but understands why the attacker might have felt frustrated.

He thinks it was an ‘incident waiting to happen’.

‘I don’t condone such violent behaviour. But we should question if the victim was partly to blame.’

Mr Ho, who takes public transport to work, isn’t alone.

In our poll of 100 commuters, 87 thought that people talk too loudly on their handphones on buses and trains.

Such behaviour boils down to a lack of social graces, Mr Ho said, much in the same way that commuters seldom give up their seats to pregnant women or the elderly.

Mr Ho said he comes across such ’socially inept’ people every other day.

He makes an exception for elderly folk as they may be hard of hearing.

But loud handphone conversations are not his only bugbear on buses and trains.

He is also riled by passengers – usually teenagers – who blast music through their handphone speakers instead of using earphones.

‘They think the entire world will appreciate the music they are playing. Many times, I’ve been tempted to (blast) my Cantonese opera music back at them,’ he said.

Mr Ho has thought about confronting these thoughtless people many times, but held back for fear they would retaliate.

So how does he think loud commuters should be silenced?

Take a leaf from the Tokyo subway, where signs on trains tell commuters not to use their handphones as it is seen as rude behaviour, he said.

‘There is no penalty for using phones, but it is socially accepted (that you don’t use them on the trains),’ Mr Ho, who travels often to Japan for work, said.

‘You don’t hear any phones ringing as they are all probably on silent mode.’

On longer-distance trains, Mr Ho said, the Japanese would walk to the areas in between carriages to answer calls.

While Mr Ho thinks banning the use of handphones on buses and trains would be too severe, he feels people should be discreet and considerate in public spaces.

‘There is no need to shout. If the person can’t hear you, tell them you will call them back when you get to a quieter place,’ he said.

‘I don’t understand why some people must have protracted conversations, so that people around them hear about their entire life story.’

He felt a social awareness programme could make people more aware of their actions and stop to think about how they should behave in public.

‘We should aim for a higher level of social graces and understand that our personal behaviour may be frowned upon by others.’

patriot
Jun 3, 2008 23:51

Hi C J;

thanks for the interactions, much appreciated.

Like You, I have been very impressed, negatively by our leaders for many years. Since the 1970s, I have actively engaged myself to the political affairs of our country by writing to forums, participations in call-in broadcast and and telecast programmes.

The comments I have posted here were dued to the observation that there were unduly harsh comments made on foreigners working here. We too, may have worked abroad, our siblings, children and friends may also be on oversea assignments from time to time. As much as we may liked to be Romans when in Rome, we may not be able to fully assimilate local cultures everywhere.

It is not comforting and easy to leave ones’ family behind to toil menially for just a slightly better income in foreign lands to provide folks back home better. Imagine for a moment, a foreign worker talking to his old parents on the phone in a noisy environment and the old folks at the other end hard of hearing. Is it that irritating to deserve a bash up? Are we to respond violently to every slightest irritation/irritant? I would think not.

I fully agree with You that our leaders have neglected our wellbeings but the foreign workers have got nothing to do with the ways our own leaders treat their citizenry. I will even concur with You that our leaders are very selfish, knowing only to enrich themselves with plenty of SIN Dollars, again the foreign workers have got no part in this. So, once again, I implore fellow Singaporeans to apportion blames proportionally.

Yours truly: patriot.

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C J
Jun 4, 2008 5:51

patriot:

I too, DO NOT condone violent acts & rash behaviours. However, this incident (and all other unreported ones) are indicators that the threshold of Tolerance is fast reaching. Not only in this area, but also on the roads amongst motorists who are locals; I cite increased Road Rage, Bus Drivers being assaulted, intolerance between neighbours in HDB & Landed Properties, Higher Expectations of Public Services resulting in more complaints, poorer customer service due to foreign front service employees who can’t speak English and local employees who feel under paid, schools that are filled with more foreign kids, etc etc.

Sure, I agree that Foreign Workers should not be blamed, but when the powers that be refuses to listen and take heart, what avenues are there left for people at ground zero?

All the above, ADDS UP.
Think of a Water Heater with no Bleeder Valve, the temperature builds unabated, pressure mounts. Something, somewhere along the way, HAS TO GIVE.

We’re talking about Humans. Even machineries has its set tolerances in engineering terms. Beyond this set tolerance, it gives.

On the whole, all this will definitely come into play in the next coming GE, if the government continues with their “we know what’s best attitude” of governance.

I say that from here on, things can and will get uglier over the next decade.

patriot
Jun 4, 2008 8:45

C J;

many others and me certainly share your takes on the unfortunate social and political developments in our country. As You can see, our leaders have been squabbling with their citizens since the day they took power and used(use) it as they fancy. Indeed, it has reached a boiling point and we see leaders facing citizens in court now.

True also that tolerance has diminished to a dangerous level but it is bad that the people, mostly leaders, do not hold themselves responsible for causing the state of affairs now. Worse, the citizenry has diverted their angers onto others other the leaders, this is extremely unhealthy.

Personally, I think change is coming, though I do not know if it is a change for the good or for the worse, however it is coming for sure. There are political dissidents everywhere converging to make changes happen.

patriot.

C J
Jun 4, 2008 9:58

patriot:

So far, if any or all of the implemented policies had yielded more good than negative side-effects, I believe fewer people will fault the government. However, a close look at our SIngaporeans, also proved that they can’t be left on their own without RESTRICTIONS and or RULES governing what they can and cannot do. Their nature to Take Advantage and Abuse, is too evident. I cite today’s news article about a couple who physically assaulted their Indoensian Maid; man being an SIA aircraf technician, and wife an ex Stewardess. How do we view such unsavioury developments? Can we safely claim we have come a long way? I seriously doubt so, and we are in danger of degressing instead of progressing by the government’s popular label of ‘World Class’ and ‘1st World’ nation.

Change will indeed come, but hipefully, not too late. Because we’ve lost so much local local blood, by which time, we may have to start all over again.

C J
Jun 5, 2008 6:09

IN SINGAPORE: Attacked for talking loudly
Gym user attacked for grunting loudly
Attacker hurls man, still on bike, against wall after the latter refuses to pipe down
June 05, 2008

NOISE, when it’s just too much, drives some people to violence.

TNP Illustration: HUP
Last Wednesday, The New Paper reported that a Chinese national was beaten up by a bus passenger for talking too loudly on his handphone.

Mr Liu Tie, who was on the bus, had been talking to his mother.

The assault left him with a swollen eye and scratches on his neck.

But noise rage is not a uniquely Singaporean phenomenon.

In New York, a loud gym user who likes to grunt during his spin class had his bike – with him still astride – thrown after he refused to pipe down.

According to the New York Times, Mr Stuart Sugarman, a senior partner at an investment firm, was yelling ‘You go, girl!’ and ‘Good burn!’ during his exercise routine at Equinox fitness club in August.

Another gym user, Mr Christopher Carter, couldn’t stand the noise.

He twice asked instructors at the gym to get Mr Sugarman to quiet down, according to trial testimony.

Despite his pleas, Mr Sugarman kept up with his grunts.

Soon, harsh words were exchanged between the two men and it escalated into physical assault.

The New Paper, 28 May 2008
Mr Carter, 45, a stockbroker, stormed over to Mr Sugarman’s bike and lifted it, crashing the back of it into a wall, witnesses said.

Mr Sugarman said the force of the bike dropping to the ground caused a neck injury.

As a result, Mr Carter was hauled to court. But on Monday, a jury acquitted the stockbroker of assault charges for manhandling Mr Sugarman’s stationary bike.

During the trial, Mr Carter’s lawyer acknowledged that his client had grabbed Mr Sugarman’s bike by the handle bars, tilted it back and then released it, with Mr Sugarman astride.

But the jury decided that he was not a criminal for having done so.

After nearly 10 hours of deliberations, the six jurors agreed that they could not say beyond a reasonable doubt that Mr Carter had caused the back and neck trouble that landed Mr Sugarman in hospital for nearly two weeks.

DISRESPECTFUL

‘Probably, most likely, but not definitely,’ said juror Marybeth Roman.

The jurors the New York Times spoke to did not seem to be on

Mr Sugarman’s side.

Mr Sugarman had described his grunts in testimony as ‘expelling air.’

‘I was like ‘Why must he be obnoxious and disrespectful to the others?’ said Ms Roman, a 20-year-old sociology student.

NOT CREDIBLE

Ms Roman said she and the other jurors questioned Mr Sugarman’s credibility.

Mr Carter’s lawyer, Mr Michael C Farkas, had maintained that his client did not cause Mr Sugarman’s injury.

The verdict, Mr Farkas said, proved what he and his client have been saying all along: Mr Sugarman is not believable.

‘If you’re going to act in a manner that’s going to be completely inconsiderate of others, then great things aren’t going to happen for you,’ Mr Farkas said outside court.

Mr Carter was relieved to leave court a free man.

‘I had some long nights over the last nine and a half months,’ he said.

But the ordeal is hardly over.

Mr Samuel L Davis, Mr Sugarman’s lawyer, said his client planned to file a lawsuit against Mr Carter and Equinox.

He said he hoped that New Yorkers would not view the verdict as a call to arms of sorts.

But Ms Brigid Harrington, the assistant district attorney for the case, painted a less-than-sympathetic portrait of Mr Sugarman.

In her closing arguments last Friday, she said Mr Sugarman was probably not someone ‘you would want to hang out with regularly’.

But that should not matter, she said.

‘I don’t want you to think that Stuart Sugarman had it coming,’ she said.

Carl
Oct 10, 2008 15:03

All parties involved in the American case were at fault, as were all parties involved in the original incident. The primary problem is neither an inability to integrate properly, nor is it necessarily a lack of tolerance by the aggressors, but rather a severe lack of respect for the fellow man. Truly deplorable in all regards.

Katabatic79
Nov 11, 2009 9:06

Hi, while it is undeniable that there are no excuses for such thuggish behaviour, all of us can understand where such frustrations come from. Some of the readers’ comments are spot on when they say that it is the government’s responsibility to integrate new migrants into mainstream society. Personally, I’m all for welcoming new migrants into our country – but they must fulfill 2 important criteria; they must either be rich (bringing funds into our economy) or talented (something to contribute to our economy). What is the point of giving indiscriminate PR status to foreigners who are blue collar workers and can barely afford to send their children to Singapore schools? I believe that I should not be supporting these foreign leeches with MY tax money! Should they not be given work permits instead? We should not be embracing them just because they maintain the 76% Chinese status quo. We need quality, not quantity.

benbak
Nov 12, 2009 0:42

we’re only hearing from his side of story. i dont believe he is entirely blameless for this incident as well

rwkc
Jan 4, 2010 15:38

I agree with the comments made by Dr Huang [#19], Andrew Loh [#29] and Katabatic 79 [#46].

Thuggish behavior is not to be tolerated, whether here in Singapore or elsewhere.

The assailant should be jailed for his assault.

FaceTheFact
Jan 4, 2010 16:28

We should be more tolerant. Don’t forget, most Singaporean travel overseas also behaved very badly although not as bad as those China’s chinese or India’s indian. We’re told to be more gracious although we’ve yet to hear from our government to tell our foreign talent to be gracious too.

china valve
Feb 7, 2010 16:21

wow.so deeply felt.
thanks for you thanks.
They the one:
butterfly valve,the other one:
actuated valve
need make efforts to research it.

nonsense
Feb 7, 2010 17:10

Do u really believe EVERYTHING the main stream media reports? Ha ha. Grow up. Wake up. :P

Violence on any excuse is totally unacceptable BUT knowing Singaporeans, I find this ordeal quite incredulous. I’m sure we are all familiar and guilty of false pretense and cowardly tolerance. How many times have we been on MRT rides and in cinemas when we witnessed losers play loud music on their speaker phones boldly or chatting in the middle of a movie defiantly, and yet more often than not, you DO NOT see brave avatars clamoring down on these anti-social insects. Also, I’m sure we have witnessed many a times these so called foreign talent, more like labour, talks LOUDLY in public, cycles on pedestrian walkways/ bus bays recklessly like in Tianamen Square or the Taj Mahal, rushing for their rebirths, barely missing ramming into people and causing serious injuries. Alot of Singaporeans emulate this anti-social behaviour too.

So, to have someone on a bus full of witnesses, rush up to you and bash you up when you have already toned down the volume as claimed, that’s just hot air from the steam from a pot of very hot mala steamboat soup.

I personally know of a few friends and colleagues who had unfair reporting in past with The ST when they refused to give interviews over certain incidents and guess what, a new story emerges. You would think that only the National Enquirer or trashy prints like TNP would stoop so low. Guess again and be shocked. ST does this all the time-vis-a-viz you also cannot believe how low your MIW will go to suck your blood! Every drop counts ! Wake up people-vampires exists ;P

PS: Ever wonder why we NEVER hear anything good about any opposition in mainstream media? If oppositions were so absolutely horrible, why were some invited to be non-constituency MPs?
Adding impurity into a pure substance to make it purer is not logical science. It’s pure nonsense; or you have a damn good spin doctor. LOL.

asdfd
Mar 13, 2010 1:40

I’m Chinese myself and this is something I have been holding inside for a long, long, long time. I hate it when my own people talk so loud on the bus. It is so rude. In Canada it is considered very rude when they talk loudly to each other or on the cellphone when on the bus. Worst yet is they speak Chinese when they do this. These ladies straight out of China are yelling at each other from across the seats. I am sitting there and I feel ashamed and embarrassed. So many times I have wanted to tell them to lower their voice.
Lately I’ve been thinking about doing that so that they can learn and stop embarrassing us Chinese people. Plus because I am Chinese myself I think I could be able to tell them to be quiet.

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