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		<title>By: hahaha</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-170364</link>
		<dc:creator>hahaha</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Dec 2010 01:53:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am really worried when I get old with all sorts of illnesses and no money to pay for medical bills. 
This is the state of our govt., the very leaders you all have voted in, and they expect you to thank them for a prosperous country. 
But when you get old, you do not enjoy the fruits of prosperity, only destitude of marginalisation by govt and society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am really worried when I get old with all sorts of illnesses and no money to pay for medical bills.<br />
This is the state of our govt., the very leaders you all have voted in, and they expect you to thank them for a prosperous country.<br />
But when you get old, you do not enjoy the fruits of prosperity, only destitude of marginalisation by govt and society.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-20309</link>
		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 05:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geriatricide just take up a new face in Singapore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geriatricide just take up a new face in Singapore.</p>
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		<title>By: Pay And Pay</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-9833</link>
		<dc:creator>Pay And Pay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Jun 2008 15:03:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>why burden the elderly ah? They want them to die sooner mah!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>why burden the elderly ah? They want them to die sooner mah!</p>
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		<title>By: kimbuaysong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8808</link>
		<dc:creator>kimbuaysong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 07:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The two IRs will end up like Haw Par Villa, plenty of taxpayers&#039; money down the drain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The two IRs will end up like Haw Par Villa, plenty of taxpayers&#8217; money down the drain.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 27 May 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 27 May 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 04:07:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Healthcare - The Online Citizen: Medishield - Why burden the elderly further? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Healthcare &#8211; The Online Citizen: Medishield &#8211; Why burden the elderly further? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: simpleway</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8795</link>
		<dc:creator>simpleway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 May 2008 03:34:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I refer to your comments on &quot;Who will be footing the bill for the IRs?&quot;

You are spot on to raise the question of the extent of Singapore stakeholders money will be involved. Another compelling justification given by the gahmen, more specifically by LKY, is that the foreign investors will be putting in all the money and hence take all the risks, and Singapore money will not be at risk. But we can see today that this is a lie. 

Singapore banks not only bankroll the projects using money funded by deposits from Singaporeans, Singaporeans are major shareholders of these Singapore banks and hence are exposed to the lending risks, and Singapore Inc and investors are major shareholders in the Singapore investors in the project, including Genting International which is a Singapore-listed company. 

If you add these all up, then Singapore is actually the major stakeholder in these projects contrary to what we have been assured of by the gahmen. 

Profitably and returns on investments on these pojects are becoming less assured given the weak financial and economic outlook in coming years plus the fact that increasing number of Asian and neighbouring countries like South Korea, Vietnam and Bintan etc are planning or building IRs of their own in localities far superior to ours in terms of cost and natural attractions. It becomes a plausible likelihood that the gahmen might be pressured to allow locals freely into the casinos in due course in the name of financial viability for the IRs which are loaded with huge portions of seed money in non-gambling  nd less profitable facilities. 

Singapore is locked in and tens of billions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs will be at stake. Don&#039;t be fooled to think otherwide.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I refer to your comments on &#8220;Who will be footing the bill for the IRs?&#8221;</p>
<p>You are spot on to raise the question of the extent of Singapore stakeholders money will be involved. Another compelling justification given by the gahmen, more specifically by LKY, is that the foreign investors will be putting in all the money and hence take all the risks, and Singapore money will not be at risk. But we can see today that this is a lie. </p>
<p>Singapore banks not only bankroll the projects using money funded by deposits from Singaporeans, Singaporeans are major shareholders of these Singapore banks and hence are exposed to the lending risks, and Singapore Inc and investors are major shareholders in the Singapore investors in the project, including Genting International which is a Singapore-listed company. </p>
<p>If you add these all up, then Singapore is actually the major stakeholder in these projects contrary to what we have been assured of by the gahmen. </p>
<p>Profitably and returns on investments on these pojects are becoming less assured given the weak financial and economic outlook in coming years plus the fact that increasing number of Asian and neighbouring countries like South Korea, Vietnam and Bintan etc are planning or building IRs of their own in localities far superior to ours in terms of cost and natural attractions. It becomes a plausible likelihood that the gahmen might be pressured to allow locals freely into the casinos in due course in the name of financial viability for the IRs which are loaded with huge portions of seed money in non-gambling  nd less profitable facilities. </p>
<p>Singapore is locked in and tens of billions of dollars and tens of thousands of jobs will be at stake. Don&#8217;t be fooled to think otherwide.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: hongjun</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8767</link>
		<dc:creator>hongjun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 15:35:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>History tells me this
The goverment will give away more money in the next budget year but end up taking more more money after the &quot;gift&quot;.


hongjun
http://hongjun.blogspot.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>History tells me this<br />
The goverment will give away more money in the next budget year but end up taking more more money after the &#8220;gift&#8221;.</p>
<p>hongjun<br />
<a href="http://hongjun.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://hongjun.blogspot.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: retribution soon</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8739</link>
		<dc:creator>retribution soon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 11:10:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what do u expect from a garmen who only want more money for themselves and put up &#039; FOR SHOW KIND OF HANDOUT FOR ELDER&#039; . I believe &#039; u people &#039; couldn&#039;t care a hoot about these old folks and push all responsibilities back to the families that owns them, or put them in old folks home provided that their family can afford it. i&#039;m just sick of the policies &#039; you people &#039; vomit out without much compassion. u people are as good as abandoning &#039; yr parent&#039; who also help build singapore to what it is now. if i abondon my old folks like you do, i&#039;m afraid of retribution. aren&#039;t you afraid ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what do u expect from a garmen who only want more money for themselves and put up &#8216; FOR SHOW KIND OF HANDOUT FOR ELDER&#8217; . I believe &#8216; u people &#8216; couldn&#8217;t care a hoot about these old folks and push all responsibilities back to the families that owns them, or put them in old folks home provided that their family can afford it. i&#8217;m just sick of the policies &#8216; you people &#8216; vomit out without much compassion. u people are as good as abandoning &#8216; yr parent&#8217; who also help build singapore to what it is now. if i abondon my old folks like you do, i&#8217;m afraid of retribution. aren&#8217;t you afraid ???</p>
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		<title>By: fools</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8737</link>
		<dc:creator>fools</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 10:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what do u expect from a garmen who only want more money for themselves and put up &#039; FOR SHOW</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what do u expect from a garmen who only want more money for themselves and put up &#8216; FOR SHOW</p>
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		<title>By: Leong Sze Hian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8734</link>
		<dc:creator>Leong Sze Hian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 10:16:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi MichaelEng

I think you can still find my earlier articles on MediShield - click TOC Classic - search leong sze hian medishield

Cheers

Leong Sze Hian</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi MichaelEng</p>
<p>I think you can still find my earlier articles on MediShield &#8211; click TOC Classic &#8211; search leong sze hian medishield</p>
<p>Cheers</p>
<p>Leong Sze Hian</p>
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		<title>By: Adrian Khiat</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8708</link>
		<dc:creator>Adrian Khiat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 07:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The increase in Deductible certainly make it tougher for the insurance to kick in. Our seniors who had build up the Singapore today certainly don&#039;t deserve such treatment.

If the government gives them money to be topped up into their Medisave? Won&#039;t the money be just enough for them to pay that 1 year of additional increased premium? When it comes to claims, won&#039;t the money be used to pay the hospital bill because of the raised deductible?

Singapore is not known to be a welfare state and we don&#039;t expect them to be, but for our weak, fragile and poor senior citizens, especially for those above 80yr old. Hope our government will treat them better and don&#039;t be too &quot;Calculative&quot; towards them.

Adrian Khiat
http://akhiat.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The increase in Deductible certainly make it tougher for the insurance to kick in. Our seniors who had build up the Singapore today certainly don&#8217;t deserve such treatment.</p>
<p>If the government gives them money to be topped up into their Medisave? Won&#8217;t the money be just enough for them to pay that 1 year of additional increased premium? When it comes to claims, won&#8217;t the money be used to pay the hospital bill because of the raised deductible?</p>
<p>Singapore is not known to be a welfare state and we don&#8217;t expect them to be, but for our weak, fragile and poor senior citizens, especially for those above 80yr old. Hope our government will treat them better and don&#8217;t be too &#8220;Calculative&#8221; towards them.</p>
<p>Adrian Khiat<br />
<a href="http://akhiat.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://akhiat.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: zhummmeng</title>
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		<dc:creator>zhummmeng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Whatever the  insurance scheme the poor and the frails are at the losing end. it doesn&#039;t matter who, be it insurance agents , the insurers or the garment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The poor get poorer and the rich get richer. Whatever the  insurance scheme the poor and the frails are at the losing end. it doesn&#8217;t matter who, be it insurance agents , the insurers or the garment.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8699</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 05:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fellow Singaporeans,

Enough of self-pitiness and resigning to PAP&#039;s unjustified policies. We have to spread the message and be vocal about our disagreements. Only then can we see changes for the betterment of Singaporeans and their future generations. 

We certainly do not want to be led into becoming an immigrants&#039; island where if the current trend continues, the ruling party will be given a free hand to control the nation for their own gains which is - the rich will be the rulers and masters. All others will be FIRST WORLD servants and slaves, surviving to benefit the rich only.

It&#039;s a long march towards the next GE. Do not be complacent, for the battle of the minds is an on-going process. 

DO YOUR PART AND MARCH AS ONE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fellow Singaporeans,</p>
<p>Enough of self-pitiness and resigning to PAP&#8217;s unjustified policies. We have to spread the message and be vocal about our disagreements. Only then can we see changes for the betterment of Singaporeans and their future generations. </p>
<p>We certainly do not want to be led into becoming an immigrants&#8217; island where if the current trend continues, the ruling party will be given a free hand to control the nation for their own gains which is &#8211; the rich will be the rulers and masters. All others will be FIRST WORLD servants and slaves, surviving to benefit the rich only.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long march towards the next GE. Do not be complacent, for the battle of the minds is an on-going process. </p>
<p>DO YOUR PART AND MARCH AS ONE!</p>
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		<title>By: blackfeline</title>
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		<dc:creator>blackfeline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:55:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>more like Medi Shit!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>more like Medi Shit!</p>
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		<title>By: ayamb</title>
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		<dc:creator>ayamb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 04:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whats new. Only know how to make money for their own benefit and further stress the poor.Where is the care??  All those who vote for them should think very hard for the future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whats new. Only know how to make money for their own benefit and further stress the poor.Where is the care??  All those who vote for them should think very hard for the future.</p>
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		<title>By: MichaelEng</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/05/why-burden-the-elderly-further/comment-page-1/#comment-8688</link>
		<dc:creator>MichaelEng</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 May 2008 03:51:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Leong, you have previously discussed the profitability of Medi-Shield in an article which I can no longer find in TOC.

The payout from medishield ($112,823 million) is much more than the premiums ($229.783 million) collected as reflected in CPF&#039;s 2006 annual report. The balance of the medishield fund is $925,766 million.

I find the argument put forth to justify the need to raise the premium and deductible for older folks appalling.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Leong, you have previously discussed the profitability of Medi-Shield in an article which I can no longer find in TOC.</p>
<p>The payout from medishield ($112,823 million) is much more than the premiums ($229.783 million) collected as reflected in CPF&#8217;s 2006 annual report. The balance of the medishield fund is $925,766 million.</p>
<p>I find the argument put forth to justify the need to raise the premium and deductible for older folks appalling.</p>
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