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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-3/#comment-15833</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Minimum wage in USA&lt;/b&gt; 

The US government has raised the nation&#039;s minimum wage to USD 6.55 per hour (SGD 9) as part of the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007. The previous revision was made in 1997. A final increase, scheduled for July 24, 2009, will raise the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour (SGD 10).

The government&#039;s efforts may not be enough to help struggling workers, according to labor-backed Economic Policy Institute (EPI). Even with the increase, the institute believes that a full-time, minimum-wage worker earns below the poverty line for a household of two.

Businesses are concerned that higher labor costs will make an already adverse enconomic environment even more difficult.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Minimum wage in USA</b> </p>
<p>The US government has raised the nation&#8217;s minimum wage to USD 6.55 per hour (SGD 9) as part of the Fair Minimum Wage Act of 2007. The previous revision was made in 1997. A final increase, scheduled for July 24, 2009, will raise the minimum wage to $7.25 per hour (SGD 10).</p>
<p>The government&#8217;s efforts may not be enough to help struggling workers, according to labor-backed Economic Policy Institute (EPI). Even with the increase, the institute believes that a full-time, minimum-wage worker earns below the poverty line for a household of two.</p>
<p>Businesses are concerned that higher labor costs will make an already adverse enconomic environment even more difficult.</p>
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		<title>By: Harrison</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-3/#comment-14304</link>
		<dc:creator>Harrison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:12:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The massive surge in the number of foreign workers here over the past year is due largely to the booming construction and rig building industry. As highlighted previously, the amount of foreign levy that the govt collects is humongous. A simple calculation here for your fantasy.

Foreign worker levy
Conservative 500,000 foreign workers (likely more than 600,000 by now)
500,000 x $200.00 (average) = $100,000,000 monthly = $1.2 billion min. annually

For every foreign worker (FW) here, a Singaporean would have been affected by the low wage that a FW commands. Therefore, the govt should use the levy collected to assist those Singaporean low wage workers in the badly affected sectors such as services, manufacturing, etc. 

A minimum wage law is still necessary to protect low wage workers (both Singaporeans and FW) from exploitation. Govt help for Singaporeans is only logical and expected since they have to contribute taxes, national service and being stakeholders of the country beside having to compete against FW for jobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The massive surge in the number of foreign workers here over the past year is due largely to the booming construction and rig building industry. As highlighted previously, the amount of foreign levy that the govt collects is humongous. A simple calculation here for your fantasy.</p>
<p>Foreign worker levy<br />
Conservative 500,000 foreign workers (likely more than 600,000 by now)<br />
500,000 x $200.00 (average) = $100,000,000 monthly = $1.2 billion min. annually</p>
<p>For every foreign worker (FW) here, a Singaporean would have been affected by the low wage that a FW commands. Therefore, the govt should use the levy collected to assist those Singaporean low wage workers in the badly affected sectors such as services, manufacturing, etc. </p>
<p>A minimum wage law is still necessary to protect low wage workers (both Singaporeans and FW) from exploitation. Govt help for Singaporeans is only logical and expected since they have to contribute taxes, national service and being stakeholders of the country beside having to compete against FW for jobs.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-3/#comment-14224</link>
		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 15:35:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The First Post by sgcynic about people enticed by millions of SIN Dollars to serve indeed is reflective of the sincerities of these people. It is worrying indeed!

Thanks sgcynic for borrowing your comment.

patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The First Post by sgcynic about people enticed by millions of SIN Dollars to serve indeed is reflective of the sincerities of these people. It is worrying indeed!</p>
<p>Thanks sgcynic for borrowing your comment.</p>
<p>patriot.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-3/#comment-14217</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 13:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Harry (74)

I congratulate you on a well written piece. Please send an email to me at kinlian@gmail.com. I like to discuss this matter further with you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Harry (74)</p>
<p>I congratulate you on a well written piece. Please send an email to me at <a href="mailto:kinlian@gmail.com">kinlian@gmail.com</a>. I like to discuss this matter further with you.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-3/#comment-14125</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:26:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A union leader told me about the difficulty that he and other union leaders faced in trying to fight for higher wages for the low income workers, as the leadership is against a minimum wage. They are quite helpless in arresting the decline in wages, due to outsourcing and the use of foreign workers. They tried to get the members to upgrade their skills, but it is not so practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A union leader told me about the difficulty that he and other union leaders faced in trying to fight for higher wages for the low income workers, as the leadership is against a minimum wage. They are quite helpless in arresting the decline in wages, due to outsourcing and the use of foreign workers. They tried to get the members to upgrade their skills, but it is not so practical.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-3/#comment-13619</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 05:26:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone asked me if it is the work of the trade union in Singapore to ensure that the low income workers get a higher wage, above the poverty level.

The problem is that most of these casual and contract workers are not represented by a trade union.

Previously, when they were employed by the public sector, they were represented by a trade union which negotiated the wages for them. After outsourcing, these workers become contract workers and are not covered by the trade union.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone asked me if it is the work of the trade union in Singapore to ensure that the low income workers get a higher wage, above the poverty level.</p>
<p>The problem is that most of these casual and contract workers are not represented by a trade union.</p>
<p>Previously, when they were employed by the public sector, they were represented by a trade union which negotiated the wages for them. After outsourcing, these workers become contract workers and are not covered by the trade union.</p>
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		<title>By: Life Goes On</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13598</link>
		<dc:creator>Life Goes On</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 01:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>
That is the problem. They have lost touch with the ground. They fail to understand one thing. What is the point of being No 1 when this does not serve the people except a few so-called elite? You may practice all the good principles of management but these are mere principles. Eventually, in the face of seeing another human being suffer, compassion must give way to concepts and theories and systems. This is call &quot;being human&quot;. And this is what makes us different from inanimate objects.

If we keep sticking to black and white rules and pushing the entire population through some economic concepts studied in schools without an eye and a heart on the ground, one can be regarded as no different from a robot.

The ultimate goal of government must be to serve its people. If you say life must go on and turn your head the other way, then the only way you will understand what it means to be a human being is suffer that same misfortune your neighbours are going throough..

&lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;Comments edited by moderator. Pls no personal attacks. Thanks.&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That is the problem. They have lost touch with the ground. They fail to understand one thing. What is the point of being No 1 when this does not serve the people except a few so-called elite? You may practice all the good principles of management but these are mere principles. Eventually, in the face of seeing another human being suffer, compassion must give way to concepts and theories and systems. This is call &#8220;being human&#8221;. And this is what makes us different from inanimate objects.</p>
<p>If we keep sticking to black and white rules and pushing the entire population through some economic concepts studied in schools without an eye and a heart on the ground, one can be regarded as no different from a robot.</p>
<p>The ultimate goal of government must be to serve its people. If you say life must go on and turn your head the other way, then the only way you will understand what it means to be a human being is suffer that same misfortune your neighbours are going throough..</p>
<p><em><strong>Comments edited by moderator. Pls no personal attacks. Thanks.</strong></em></p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13591</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 23:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I met many workers in the service industry, such as petrol pump attendants and restaurants. They come from Myanmar and China. 

These workers are able to accept the low wage and still have some savings to send back to their families in their home countries. Most of live near their place of work and share a rented room with other workers. 

The Singaporean worker is not able to accept these low wages, as they have to pay for the installment of their expensive HDB flat and also travel to work (and the cost of transport is quite high). The current Workfare Income Supplement is not able to meet the higher cost of living for the Singaporean worker. As a result, many of the older Singaporean workers are unemployed.

I hope that the wages for Singaporean workers can be increased to an adequate level, or the foreign workers should not be allowed in most service-oriented industries. 

The argument has been put forward that we need to be competitive to attract Foreign Direct Investments into Singapore. This does not apply to the service oriented industries, except for tourism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I met many workers in the service industry, such as petrol pump attendants and restaurants. They come from Myanmar and China. </p>
<p>These workers are able to accept the low wage and still have some savings to send back to their families in their home countries. Most of live near their place of work and share a rented room with other workers. </p>
<p>The Singaporean worker is not able to accept these low wages, as they have to pay for the installment of their expensive HDB flat and also travel to work (and the cost of transport is quite high). The current Workfare Income Supplement is not able to meet the higher cost of living for the Singaporean worker. As a result, many of the older Singaporean workers are unemployed.</p>
<p>I hope that the wages for Singaporean workers can be increased to an adequate level, or the foreign workers should not be allowed in most service-oriented industries. </p>
<p>The argument has been put forward that we need to be competitive to attract Foreign Direct Investments into Singapore. This does not apply to the service oriented industries, except for tourism.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:15:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Correction to &#039;of not arrested,&#039; it should be &#039;if not arrested&#039;.

My sincere apology!

patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Correction to &#8216;of not arrested,&#8217; it should be &#8216;if not arrested&#8217;.</p>
<p>My sincere apology!</p>
<p>patriot.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 03:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear leon;

Upgrading of skill, is but a smoke screen and it is a sound good advice
but we need to look deeper into this political exhortation. It is a ploy so beautiful that many are taken in and brainwashed.


“And all our leaders could tell us is for us to upgrade, upgrade! They are taking us, the Citizenry, as morons. They think we are blind to those professionals and managers getting displaced, replaced and retrenched, became jobless, went into taxi driving, security job that pay them peanuts. Why are these people suffering such fates? THE FAULTS LIE WITH NATIONAL POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN AND BEING DISHED ONTO US, SHOVED ONTO US!

DOES ANYONE WANTS TO UPGRADE TO WHERE THE SAID PROFESSIONALS AND MANAGERS WERE AND SUFFERS THEIR FATES, AFTER SPENDING MONEY AND TIME AND NEGLECTING ONES’ FAMILY IN THE PURSUIT OF UPGRADING?” 

May I add here that many job applicants are rejected because they are ‘over qualified’ and many that were retrenched were because their pays were much higher than the many new candidates, including foreigners available in the market who are able to replace them(current employees) at a much lower cost(salary).

This is a very vicious development, which of not arrested, could result in serious turmoil in time to come.

We, the people, must carefully scritinize the words of our leaders and check if there are substances in what they spout(say).

patriot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear leon;</p>
<p>Upgrading of skill, is but a smoke screen and it is a sound good advice<br />
but we need to look deeper into this political exhortation. It is a ploy so beautiful that many are taken in and brainwashed.</p>
<p>“And all our leaders could tell us is for us to upgrade, upgrade! They are taking us, the Citizenry, as morons. They think we are blind to those professionals and managers getting displaced, replaced and retrenched, became jobless, went into taxi driving, security job that pay them peanuts. Why are these people suffering such fates? THE FAULTS LIE WITH NATIONAL POLICIES THAT HAVE BEEN AND BEING DISHED ONTO US, SHOVED ONTO US!</p>
<p>DOES ANYONE WANTS TO UPGRADE TO WHERE THE SAID PROFESSIONALS AND MANAGERS WERE AND SUFFERS THEIR FATES, AFTER SPENDING MONEY AND TIME AND NEGLECTING ONES’ FAMILY IN THE PURSUIT OF UPGRADING?” </p>
<p>May I add here that many job applicants are rejected because they are ‘over qualified’ and many that were retrenched were because their pays were much higher than the many new candidates, including foreigners available in the market who are able to replace them(current employees) at a much lower cost(salary).</p>
<p>This is a very vicious development, which of not arrested, could result in serious turmoil in time to come.</p>
<p>We, the people, must carefully scritinize the words of our leaders and check if there are substances in what they spout(say).</p>
<p>patriot.</p>
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		<title>By: NS men</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13470</link>
		<dc:creator>NS men</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:49:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like Mah Bow Tan said in the papers - it is subsidy all the way for  HDB or market rate all the way - they cannot be 2 systems. He said this to defend the market price based subsidy for HDB flats.
If that is the case, it should be the same for University fees, medical fees, and National service. 
If our young men are subsidising NS - the govt should give them free education. That is only fair!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like Mah Bow Tan said in the papers &#8211; it is subsidy all the way for  HDB or market rate all the way &#8211; they cannot be 2 systems. He said this to defend the market price based subsidy for HDB flats.<br />
If that is the case, it should be the same for University fees, medical fees, and National service.<br />
If our young men are subsidising NS &#8211; the govt should give them free education. That is only fair!!</p>
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		<title>By: NS men</title>
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		<dc:creator>NS men</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Today is SAF day.
Same idea - the govt should start paying market rates for our NS men. We should stop subsiding a cheap National service through the blood sweat and tears and lives of our 18 year olds. Please pay them a market rate and reduce the number of months in National Service. Better yet, abolish NS now. With our sophisticated weaponry and world class air force, we should be able to provide adequate deterrent without sacrificing the time and lives of our children. Especially when they do not even get free education in Uni / Poly for this &#039;sacrifice&#039;. Govt ministers have salary pegged to private sector, so should our 18 year old!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Today is SAF day.<br />
Same idea &#8211; the govt should start paying market rates for our NS men. We should stop subsiding a cheap National service through the blood sweat and tears and lives of our 18 year olds. Please pay them a market rate and reduce the number of months in National Service. Better yet, abolish NS now. With our sophisticated weaponry and world class air force, we should be able to provide adequate deterrent without sacrificing the time and lives of our children. Especially when they do not even get free education in Uni / Poly for this &#8217;sacrifice&#8217;. Govt ministers have salary pegged to private sector, so should our 18 year old!!</p>
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		<title>By: Straits Times Report</title>
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		<dc:creator>Straits Times Report</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 02:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Tan - a very good idea. I hope ALL government buildings and STAT boards will go onto this scheme of best outsourcing immediately. It will defintely help the lowest salary people. Today&#039;s report in ST really gave a damning report on the failure of PAP in raising the wages and life of our weakest and poorest citizens....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Tan &#8211; a very good idea. I hope ALL government buildings and STAT boards will go onto this scheme of best outsourcing immediately. It will defintely help the lowest salary people. Today&#8217;s report in ST really gave a damning report on the failure of PAP in raising the wages and life of our weakest and poorest citizens&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13460</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:59:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some government agencies identify their non-core activities and engaged in outsourcing the work. Some examples are cleaning of premises and answering of telephone calls.

Most people are familiar with the tendering approach, as follows:

&gt; specify the standard of work
&gt; award the work to the contractor that gives the lowest cost.

The consequence is that the contractor will find the cheapest source of labour, including foreign workers. Eventually, the standard of service deteriorates. Wages continue to be depressed.

There is another way of approaching this outsourcing of non-core work, as follows:

&gt; specify the contract price, including the wages to be paid to the workers
&gt; award the work to the contractor that is able to give the best standard of service.

If a specified wage is given, the focus is to select the best candidates for the job. This will ensure better standard and quality of service. The contractor&#039;s task is to ensure that the human and other resources are organised efficiently to meet the changes in requirement.

I hope that more attention can be paid to this new method of outsourcing, which is based on quality of service, rather than reducing cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some government agencies identify their non-core activities and engaged in outsourcing the work. Some examples are cleaning of premises and answering of telephone calls.</p>
<p>Most people are familiar with the tendering approach, as follows:</p>
<p>&gt; specify the standard of work<br />
&gt; award the work to the contractor that gives the lowest cost.</p>
<p>The consequence is that the contractor will find the cheapest source of labour, including foreign workers. Eventually, the standard of service deteriorates. Wages continue to be depressed.</p>
<p>There is another way of approaching this outsourcing of non-core work, as follows:</p>
<p>&gt; specify the contract price, including the wages to be paid to the workers<br />
&gt; award the work to the contractor that is able to give the best standard of service.</p>
<p>If a specified wage is given, the focus is to select the best candidates for the job. This will ensure better standard and quality of service. The contractor&#8217;s task is to ensure that the human and other resources are organised efficiently to meet the changes in requirement.</p>
<p>I hope that more attention can be paid to this new method of outsourcing, which is based on quality of service, rather than reducing cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13459</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:52:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that our government agencies should set an example in outsourcing the work to contractors.

They should set a certain contract (which is based on a fair rate of wages for the contract workers) and judge the contractors based on their standard of service. 

This will help to establish a fair wage for the workers and get the focus on upgrading the quality of service.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that our government agencies should set an example in outsourcing the work to contractors.</p>
<p>They should set a certain contract (which is based on a fair rate of wages for the contract workers) and judge the contractors based on their standard of service. </p>
<p>This will help to establish a fair wage for the workers and get the focus on upgrading the quality of service.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jul 2008 00:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a report in the Straits Times today about the wages of various occupations in Signapore.

The wages of cleaners have stagnated for the past 10 years. They suffered a real drop in earnings after discounting for inflation. The wages at the top earners have increased more than inflation.

The gap between the high and lw wage earners have widened. This is the result of the &quot;free market&quot;.  It has led to inequity and depressed wages for the weaker sections of our society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a report in the Straits Times today about the wages of various occupations in Signapore.</p>
<p>The wages of cleaners have stagnated for the past 10 years. They suffered a real drop in earnings after discounting for inflation. The wages at the top earners have increased more than inflation.</p>
<p>The gap between the high and lw wage earners have widened. This is the result of the &#8220;free market&#8221;.  It has led to inequity and depressed wages for the weaker sections of our society.</p>
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		<title>By: Faircomment</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13234</link>
		<dc:creator>Faircomment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 07:35:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Syed Alwi&#039;s question - &quot;How do you justify losing billions to bad investments but simultaneously - absolutely refuse to spend on SOME subsidies ?&quot;

Answer:  The same way a compulsive gambler who loses a fortune but simultaneously refuse to give give some money to his wife to buy food for their hungry children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Syed Alwi&#8217;s question &#8211; &#8220;How do you justify losing billions to bad investments but simultaneously &#8211; absolutely refuse to spend on SOME subsidies ?&#8221;</p>
<p>Answer:  The same way a compulsive gambler who loses a fortune but simultaneously refuse to give give some money to his wife to buy food for their hungry children.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Syed Alwi</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13068</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Syed Alwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:40:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just one comment folks :

The people should NOT subsidise the Government in making bad investment decisions.

It is the Government who should subsidise the people on SOME commodities !

If you are prepared to lose billions in bad investments then you should also be prepared to make some subsidies...................</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just one comment folks :</p>
<p>The people should NOT subsidise the Government in making bad investment decisions.</p>
<p>It is the Government who should subsidise the people on SOME commodities !</p>
<p>If you are prepared to lose billions in bad investments then you should also be prepared to make some subsidies&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: Harry</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13066</link>
		<dc:creator>Harry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 06:34:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The pap government have lost their moral compass since the day when they voted to peg their salaries to the top 5 in the private sectors. They have lost their high moral grounds and hence the respect of Singaporeans. That they managed to cling onto power for so long is testimony to how much they have manipulated the electorial systems in Singapore. Now, there is non in the pap including Lee Kuan Yew who can stand up to close scrutiny for virtues and righteousness in the true traditions of the Eastern cultures. This is a real shame especially when they have been turning Singapore more and more into an Eastern society. Their motive is not to improve on the moral values and virtues of Singaporeans but to absolve themselves  from the strict demands of a Western Liberal Democracies. That Singapore is such a contradictory society is due in no small way to Lee Kuan Yew subverting some of the noble means to fulfill his immediate needs. For example to legitimise the non action on those (Ho Ching) who blew away $500 million in Micropolis, they began to preach that people should not be faulted when they make a genuine mistake, otherwise they will be afraid to make decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The pap government have lost their moral compass since the day when they voted to peg their salaries to the top 5 in the private sectors. They have lost their high moral grounds and hence the respect of Singaporeans. That they managed to cling onto power for so long is testimony to how much they have manipulated the electorial systems in Singapore. Now, there is non in the pap including Lee Kuan Yew who can stand up to close scrutiny for virtues and righteousness in the true traditions of the Eastern cultures. This is a real shame especially when they have been turning Singapore more and more into an Eastern society. Their motive is not to improve on the moral values and virtues of Singaporeans but to absolve themselves  from the strict demands of a Western Liberal Democracies. That Singapore is such a contradictory society is due in no small way to Lee Kuan Yew subverting some of the noble means to fulfill his immediate needs. For example to legitimise the non action on those (Ho Ching) who blew away $500 million in Micropolis, they began to preach that people should not be faulted when they make a genuine mistake, otherwise they will be afraid to make decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dr Syed Alwi</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/06/give-adequate-wages-to-low-income-workers/comment-page-2/#comment-13061</link>
		<dc:creator>Dr Syed Alwi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 05:54:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear forummers,

Let me ask you people one question :

How do you justify losing billions to bad investments but simultaneously - absolutely refuse to spend on SOME subsidies ? On what moral ground ?

To me if you are prepared to lose billions in bad investments - then you should also be prepared to spend a few on SOME subsidies !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear forummers,</p>
<p>Let me ask you people one question :</p>
<p>How do you justify losing billions to bad investments but simultaneously &#8211; absolutely refuse to spend on SOME subsidies ? On what moral ground ?</p>
<p>To me if you are prepared to lose billions in bad investments &#8211; then you should also be prepared to spend a few on SOME subsidies !</p>
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