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		<title>By: sally</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-123467</link>
		<dc:creator>sally</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Dec 2009 17:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where can I read / find articles about the above scandal and person involved? Thanks!</description>
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		<title>By: Luca</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-32775</link>
		<dc:creator>Luca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 20:28:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>25) &quot;Allison on July 28th, 2008 8.37 am Community Chest had a big scandal too - Dolly Davenport. Does the name ring any bells?&quot;

Where can I read / find articles about the above scandal and person involved? Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>25) &#8220;Allison on July 28th, 2008 8.37 am Community Chest had a big scandal too &#8211; Dolly Davenport. Does the name ring any bells?&#8221;</p>
<p>Where can I read / find articles about the above scandal and person involved? Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-17277</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:08:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I don&#039;t trust the Community Chest!  My trust leans more towards The Singapore Bhuddist Lodge (SBL) and the Red Cross (RC).  There&#039;s practically no question what donations are used for by SBL and RC,  You&#039;d have to guess what percentage of your donations goes to who and who and who from the Community Chest.

A Tan, it&#039;s very easy to see what works to &quot;prise open the public&#039;s wallets and purses&quot;.  Just observe Ho Sun Yeow the rocker-cum-missionary for City Harvest Church.  She once approached a friend of mine as soon as she heard he graduated and ready to be called to the bar.  City Harvest Church selectively chooses the people they want to attend and support the church.  They are one of the first churches here to use technology (web cams and live telecast) and music to &quot;spread God&#039;s love&quot;.  Donations are by monthly giro.  Modern marketing!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I don&#8217;t trust the Community Chest!  My trust leans more towards The Singapore Bhuddist Lodge (SBL) and the Red Cross (RC).  There&#8217;s practically no question what donations are used for by SBL and RC,  You&#8217;d have to guess what percentage of your donations goes to who and who and who from the Community Chest.</p>
<p>A Tan, it&#8217;s very easy to see what works to &#8220;prise open the public&#8217;s wallets and purses&#8221;.  Just observe Ho Sun Yeow the rocker-cum-missionary for City Harvest Church.  She once approached a friend of mine as soon as she heard he graduated and ready to be called to the bar.  City Harvest Church selectively chooses the people they want to attend and support the church.  They are one of the first churches here to use technology (web cams and live telecast) and music to &#8220;spread God&#8217;s love&#8221;.  Donations are by monthly giro.  Modern marketing!</p>
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		<title>By: A Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-17220</link>
		<dc:creator>A Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just read Durai of NKF fame just got out of prison. 

Whatever one may think of his misdeeds, maybe rather than send him to jail, he could have been put to better use advising the Community Chest on what techniques to use to prise open the wallets and purses.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just read Durai of NKF fame just got out of prison. </p>
<p>Whatever one may think of his misdeeds, maybe rather than send him to jail, he could have been put to better use advising the Community Chest on what techniques to use to prise open the wallets and purses.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-17022</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Aug 2008 10:54:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Another Tan,

I believe that the Community Chest accepts the small charities. But the some charities prefer to have their own fund raising effort, as they think that they can raise more money compared to the funding by Community Chest. 

I think that all charities should join the Community Chest or the second fund raising organisation. It ensures better accountability and reduce the cost of fund raising. It also reduce donor fatique.

I receive so many mailers from the non-Community Chest organisations. It is a big waste of money to send out the mailers, when the actual percentage who respond is probably less than 5%</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Another Tan,</p>
<p>I believe that the Community Chest accepts the small charities. But the some charities prefer to have their own fund raising effort, as they think that they can raise more money compared to the funding by Community Chest. </p>
<p>I think that all charities should join the Community Chest or the second fund raising organisation. It ensures better accountability and reduce the cost of fund raising. It also reduce donor fatique.</p>
<p>I receive so many mailers from the non-Community Chest organisations. It is a big waste of money to send out the mailers, when the actual percentage who respond is probably less than 5%</p>
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		<title>By: A(nother) Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-16582</link>
		<dc:creator>A(nother) Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:15:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Tan 

Sunday Times had an article on the blight of &quot;poor&quot; charities.

I had thought that charities like these would be part of the Community Chest. 

But it seems not. If so, why not? Does CC have mininum barriers to join?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Tan </p>
<p>Sunday Times had an article on the blight of &#8220;poor&#8221; charities.</p>
<p>I had thought that charities like these would be part of the Community Chest. </p>
<p>But it seems not. If so, why not? Does CC have mininum barriers to join?</p>
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		<title>By: Allison</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-15981</link>
		<dc:creator>Allison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Jul 2008 00:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Community Chest had a big scandal too - Dolly Davenport.  Does the name ring any bells?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Community Chest had a big scandal too &#8211; Dolly Davenport.  Does the name ring any bells?</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-15960</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jul 2008 06:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew 

Refer to your comment (#19)

If there is a centralised fund raising body for specific charities, more people are likely to donate. They help their favorite charity and know that the donations will be better used.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew </p>
<p>Refer to your comment (#19)</p>
<p>If there is a centralised fund raising body for specific charities, more people are likely to donate. They help their favorite charity and know that the donations will be better used.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-15934</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 13:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the Government gives adequate funding for the old, sick and needy, there is less need to rely on charity. Charity will continue to be a challenge to manage, and to run efficiently.

I read today that the Government of Taiwan has decided on the following measures to help the people to cope with high inflation:

1. Reduce income tax
2. Give a monthly allowance of SGD 233 to 450,000 people at the low income level. This is quite generous compared to the smaller handout from the Spore Government.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the Government gives adequate funding for the old, sick and needy, there is less need to rely on charity. Charity will continue to be a challenge to manage, and to run efficiently.</p>
<p>I read today that the Government of Taiwan has decided on the following measures to help the people to cope with high inflation:</p>
<p>1. Reduce income tax<br />
2. Give a monthly allowance of SGD 233 to 450,000 people at the low income level. This is quite generous compared to the smaller handout from the Spore Government.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 30</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 30</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 03:53:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ren Ci Head Monk Charged - The Online Citizen: A charitable cause [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-15807</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 11:58:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi elite_ah (#18)

I am not familiar with Priest Kang&#039;s case. The omission was not a selective action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi elite_ah (#18)</p>
<p>I am not familiar with Priest Kang&#8217;s case. The omission was not a selective action.</p>
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		<title>By: Faircomment</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-15790</link>
		<dc:creator>Faircomment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 07:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kin Lian - &quot; In practice, it is difficult for the non-executive members of the board to exercise these functions. Most board members have been approached mainly on their ability to help in the fund raising activities of the charity. &quot;

The current practice by charities to appoint their board members on the basis of their fund raising skills and/or social standing led to the problems we are now facing.  These people, although with good intentions, may not have the time and energy to fully carry out their onerous tasks at the charities&#039; boardrooms.  

If society or the state chooses to impose ever stricter liability on them for their failings, it would be even more difficult to find good and willing candidates in future.  

Perhaps Board members should be pre-qualified and appointed on the same basis as company directors in listed companies and paid a reasonable annual salary.  The acceptance of remuneration would impose on board members an irrefutable (and legal) obligation to spend more time on the job and carry out their duties more diligently.  

Rather than &quot;rewarding&quot; big fund raisers by appointing them as board members, perhaps the charities could give them formal recognition by making them patrons of the particular charity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kin Lian &#8211; &#8221; In practice, it is difficult for the non-executive members of the board to exercise these functions. Most board members have been approached mainly on their ability to help in the fund raising activities of the charity. &#8221;</p>
<p>The current practice by charities to appoint their board members on the basis of their fund raising skills and/or social standing led to the problems we are now facing.  These people, although with good intentions, may not have the time and energy to fully carry out their onerous tasks at the charities&#8217; boardrooms.  </p>
<p>If society or the state chooses to impose ever stricter liability on them for their failings, it would be even more difficult to find good and willing candidates in future.  </p>
<p>Perhaps Board members should be pre-qualified and appointed on the same basis as company directors in listed companies and paid a reasonable annual salary.  The acceptance of remuneration would impose on board members an irrefutable (and legal) obligation to spend more time on the job and carry out their duties more diligently.  </p>
<p>Rather than &#8220;rewarding&#8221; big fund raisers by appointing them as board members, perhaps the charities could give them formal recognition by making them patrons of the particular charity.</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Loh</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-15717</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Loh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 15:58:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kin Lian,

I suspect that the reason why the govt is reluctant to have fundraising and the charity dollar managed by a centralised entity is because it sees altruism and philanthropy as being integral to social cohesiveness.

Indeed, PM Lee said as much recently.

If we have fundraising or a single entity handling the money, will that make the rest of us less charitable? After all, people may start to think that well, let the rich donate and let that single entity or organisation handle all of our charity needs.

I do agree with your point about students doing fundraising. I think it should be banned. Students are already inundated with so many things nowadays. Raising money for the schools, especially, should be banned.

After all, it is the govt which should be taking care of the schools and not kids. Also, isn&#039;t that why we pay taxes in the first place?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kin Lian,</p>
<p>I suspect that the reason why the govt is reluctant to have fundraising and the charity dollar managed by a centralised entity is because it sees altruism and philanthropy as being integral to social cohesiveness.</p>
<p>Indeed, PM Lee said as much recently.</p>
<p>If we have fundraising or a single entity handling the money, will that make the rest of us less charitable? After all, people may start to think that well, let the rich donate and let that single entity or organisation handle all of our charity needs.</p>
<p>I do agree with your point about students doing fundraising. I think it should be banned. Students are already inundated with so many things nowadays. Raising money for the schools, especially, should be banned.</p>
<p>After all, it is the govt which should be taking care of the schools and not kids. Also, isn&#8217;t that why we pay taxes in the first place?</p>
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		<title>By: elite_ah</title>
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		<dc:creator>elite_ah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 11:32:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Tan Kin Lian,

I am dismayed that you somehow did not mention the priest Kang&#039;s embezzlement. 

Was it selectively omitted due to whatever reason?

Would you choose to clarify, please?

Regards
George Mac Master 
Finland</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Tan Kin Lian,</p>
<p>I am dismayed that you somehow did not mention the priest Kang&#8217;s embezzlement. </p>
<p>Was it selectively omitted due to whatever reason?</p>
<p>Would you choose to clarify, please?</p>
<p>Regards<br />
George Mac Master<br />
Finland</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kin Lian</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/07/a-charitable-cause/comment-page-1/#comment-15703</link>
		<dc:creator>Tan Kin Lian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:48:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Changipatriot (post 15)

The annual limit is for tax exemption. It should be set at an amount that is sufficient to meet the operating needs of the charity. 

We should prevent the accumulation of excess funds, as it leads to the kind of problem that have been encountered in our charities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Changipatriot (post 15)</p>
<p>The annual limit is for tax exemption. It should be set at an amount that is sufficient to meet the operating needs of the charity. </p>
<p>We should prevent the accumulation of excess funds, as it leads to the kind of problem that have been encountered in our charities.</p>
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		<title>By: mystykyl</title>
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		<dc:creator>mystykyl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 08:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The writer&#039;s recommendations bear some thought.  One would like to add that schools should not be part of the fund raising process.  The students are not there to hold flag days and beg for donations to meet some school target.  By all means encourage volunteerism.  Giving a hand in direct help of the needy is of more use than begging for a few dollars here and there to fill up the school&#039;s donation card.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The writer&#8217;s recommendations bear some thought.  One would like to add that schools should not be part of the fund raising process.  The students are not there to hold flag days and beg for donations to meet some school target.  By all means encourage volunteerism.  Giving a hand in direct help of the needy is of more use than begging for a few dollars here and there to fill up the school&#8217;s donation card.</p>
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		<title>By: changipatriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>changipatriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:11:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>there already is a central body. give ncss more bite. heard that they already know but powerless as they only can bark.

&quot;Set a limit to the annual amount that can be raised for each charity, including the total amount that can be accumulated in their reserves.&quot;

this is downright ...let me think of a polite term... questionable. put a cap to people&#039;s generosity? if exceed limit then how? go to mcys coffers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there already is a central body. give ncss more bite. heard that they already know but powerless as they only can bark.</p>
<p>&#8220;Set a limit to the annual amount that can be raised for each charity, including the total amount that can be accumulated in their reserves.&#8221;</p>
<p>this is downright &#8230;let me think of a polite term&#8230; questionable. put a cap to people&#8217;s generosity? if exceed limit then how? go to mcys coffers?</p>
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		<title>By: tv  .com</title>
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		<dc:creator>tv  .com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 05:05:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>it true that the goverment and the lee kuan yew and the member of parliament  concern for themself  for the water  they dont care about all this like the old beggers lying on the street  they will said help to the beggers like you saying please help youself they can give NTUC Fairprice vouchers only  to  needy  actually by right  in the prices and oil increasing  cost  we have to help ourself  luckily got opposition partys help us or we  will all suffer  but if we choose opposition partys  surely we will get more moneys  the pap  dont care for all the peoples like u and me and your gangs members groups  and your friends,family members ,blood brothers,girlfriends,relative want lah but i will still support opposition partys in slient</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it true that the goverment and the lee kuan yew and the member of parliament  concern for themself  for the water  they dont care about all this like the old beggers lying on the street  they will said help to the beggers like you saying please help youself they can give NTUC Fairprice vouchers only  to  needy  actually by right  in the prices and oil increasing  cost  we have to help ourself  luckily got opposition partys help us or we  will all suffer  but if we choose opposition partys  surely we will get more moneys  the pap  dont care for all the peoples like u and me and your gangs members groups  and your friends,family members ,blood brothers,girlfriends,relative want lah but i will still support opposition partys in slient</p>
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		<title>By: mangaysyoungboys</title>
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		<dc:creator>mangaysyoungboys</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 04:51:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>is it truth that  womanladiesgirlsoldwoman  said then how about erp cost prices, the oil prices  the road taxes and tax that we  have to paid and see increase in our working salary paymentsas i see someone said what to do  but life must still go on  in the mediacorp channelnewasia  i see that mediacorp also support  opposition partys will Singapore Democratic Alliance worker party Chiam See Tong and Low Thia Khiang speak for our behalf ?i think so so i   confirm sure  that i will vote for opposition partys on the election day</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is it truth that  womanladiesgirlsoldwoman  said then how about erp cost prices, the oil prices  the road taxes and tax that we  have to paid and see increase in our working salary paymentsas i see someone said what to do  but life must still go on  in the mediacorp channelnewasia  i see that mediacorp also support  opposition partys will Singapore Democratic Alliance worker party Chiam See Tong and Low Thia Khiang speak for our behalf ?i think so so i   confirm sure  that i will vote for opposition partys on the election day</p>
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		<title>By: womanladiesgirlsoldwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>womanladiesgirlsoldwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 03:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the gst and growth diviends first installment  is Singapore Democratic Alliance  worker party Chiam See Tong  and  Low Thia Khiang speak for our behalf our mean peoples to ask goverments to cope our the inflations without opposition party we cant survive in this world and we cant hang out to go to Clarke Quay to pub,bar and restaurants to enjoy life in singapore and other country and also to buy things and paid bills  what we like we are not corrupted but we have to fight the inflation prices increase  so we must show support to opposition party to have a party without  gst and growth diviends first installment   it is very worse  luckily with gst and growth diviends first installment   thank gosh our familiy can survive  ,friends,brothers,sister and also our blood brothers can surive it all thank to Singapore Democratic Alliance  worker party Chiam See Tong  and  Low Thia Khiang speak for our behalf  for moneys</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the gst and growth diviends first installment  is Singapore Democratic Alliance  worker party Chiam See Tong  and  Low Thia Khiang speak for our behalf our mean peoples to ask goverments to cope our the inflations without opposition party we cant survive in this world and we cant hang out to go to Clarke Quay to pub,bar and restaurants to enjoy life in singapore and other country and also to buy things and paid bills  what we like we are not corrupted but we have to fight the inflation prices increase  so we must show support to opposition party to have a party without  gst and growth diviends first installment   it is very worse  luckily with gst and growth diviends first installment   thank gosh our familiy can survive  ,friends,brothers,sister and also our blood brothers can surive it all thank to Singapore Democratic Alliance  worker party Chiam See Tong  and  Low Thia Khiang speak for our behalf  for moneys</p>
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