Comments on: I am not celebrating http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/ a community of Singaporeans Sun, 21 Mar 2010 17:07:03 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: seaporter http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-20258 seaporter Thu, 04 Sep 2008 15:10:54 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-20258 Singapore's sports excellence is getting nowhere with no clear direction! Import and import and more imports for the past 10 years and spending tons of money on foreign talent in exchange for a medal in the olympics but still not yielding any success on the local scene. Is is worth the money? Furthermore, we know that they are not to stay once they got rich. They will move to a more democratic and vibrant country like Aus, NZL and Canada. Here in Singapore, everybody is fearful of speaking out their mind and hypocritically speaking whatever that bring down others so as to benefit oneself in the work place as well as school. The competition is killing all grounds of a graceful nation. Even a medal that was bought by the people's money does not gain any benefits but created a mess by LBW. A success on international arena only tell the world that Singapore has the money to spend and manage sports but yielding no clear results. Does Singapore need a medal so badly that we have to spend useless money to buy talents. Will they really teach the locals to do well in the sports and train us hard? All for the love of money and not aspiration and of the higher realm. I would say a healthy Singaporean would benefit the country more than any medals. For example, Singaporean living longer to work (which is what the gov wanted), percentage of people exercising at least 2 times per week, no of locals participating in the local bay run or nike run etc. You can see that the percentage is increasing along the years. That's what the eventual benefit of sports right?? Singapore’s sports excellence is getting nowhere with no clear direction! Import and import and more imports for the past 10 years and spending tons of money on foreign talent in exchange for a medal in the olympics but still not yielding any success on the local scene. Is is worth the money? Furthermore, we know that they are not to stay once they got rich. They will move to a more democratic and vibrant country like Aus, NZL and Canada. Here in Singapore, everybody is fearful of speaking out their mind and hypocritically speaking whatever that bring down others so as to benefit oneself in the work place as well as school. The competition is killing all grounds of a graceful nation. Even a medal that was bought by the people’s money does not gain any benefits but created a mess by LBW. A success on international arena only tell the world that Singapore has the money to spend and manage sports but yielding no clear results. Does Singapore need a medal so badly that we have to spend useless money to buy talents. Will they really teach the locals to do well in the sports and train us hard? All for the love of money and not aspiration and of the higher realm. I would say a healthy Singaporean would benefit the country more than any medals. For example, Singaporean living longer to work (which is what the gov wanted), percentage of people exercising at least 2 times per week, no of locals participating in the local bay run or nike run etc. You can see that the percentage is increasing along the years. That’s what the eventual benefit of sports right??

]]> By: putraputri69 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19483 putraputri69 Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:10:48 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19483 For the past 10+ years, we’re merely importing log, stock and barrel - players, coaches, assistants and even sparring partners etc who are below “Level 1’ from the greatest table tennis nation in the world, and hoping against hope, that our imports could be locally groomed to beat the Grand Master in own his game. However, compare this to at what our ASEAN countries had just won without relying on imports: Vietnam - weightlifting silver medal in men's 56 kg Indonesia - weightlifting bronze medal in men's 56 kg and bronze in men's 62 kg Thailand - weightlifting gold medal in women's 53 kg and silver in women's 49 kg Taekwondo Malaysia - silver medal in men's badminton single. Even Togo, a small African nation with a population of 5 million and a GDP per capital of $1,700 (world's 193rd) had won her first ever Olympic bronze medal in the men's Shalom K-1 Canoe event. And war-torn Afganistan, represented by only 4 competitors, managed to win her first ever Olympic medal by taking the bronze medal in the men's -58kg taekwondo. Is a gold medal won by a foreign-born worth more than a bronze medal won by a local? Think about it, Singapore. For the past 10+ years, we’re merely importing log, stock and barrel – players, coaches, assistants and even sparring partners etc who are below “Level 1’ from the greatest table tennis nation in the world, and hoping against hope, that our imports could be locally groomed to beat the Grand Master in own his game.

However, compare this to at what our ASEAN countries had just won without relying on imports:
Vietnam – weightlifting silver medal in men’s 56 kg
Indonesia – weightlifting bronze medal in men’s 56 kg and bronze in men’s 62 kg
Thailand – weightlifting gold medal in women’s 53 kg and silver in women’s 49 kg Taekwondo
Malaysia – silver medal in men’s badminton single.

Even Togo, a small African nation with a population of 5 million and a GDP per capital of $1,700 (world’s 193rd) had won her first ever Olympic bronze medal in the men’s Shalom K-1 Canoe event.

And war-torn Afganistan, represented by only 4 competitors, managed to win her first ever Olympic medal by taking the bronze medal in the men’s -58kg taekwondo.

Is a gold medal won by a foreign-born worth more than a bronze medal won by a local?

Think about it, Singapore.

]]> By: Olympic dreamer http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19477 Olympic dreamer Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:48:35 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19477 Hi James, Yea, you comments are about right (your understanding of all comments) with regards to this whole thread, except a couple of smart writers in a perpetual state of denial which of course they are entitled to. In support with what you said, we are not a nation, we are subjects of PAP, a political party who was not and do not wants to establish this little dot as a nation in its truest sense (as compared to many other countries, since our PAP likes to make comparisons only when it favours them) but an economic entity where the ministers salary are benchmarked, calculated and rewarded (as enumerated by old man during the past debate). Very sad. Now the latest hot off the press, we wants to create a 'Mini Denmark'. Oops meaning to say, I can anticipate someone drawing cartoons to be published in the ST, haha. LOL how are the cartoons going to turn out?? Hi James,
Yea, you comments are about right (your understanding of all comments) with regards to this whole thread, except a couple of smart writers in a perpetual state of denial which of course they are entitled to.

In support with what you said, we are not a nation, we are subjects of PAP, a political party who was not and do not wants to establish this little dot as a nation in its truest sense (as compared to many other countries, since our PAP likes to make comparisons only when it favours them) but an economic entity where the ministers salary are benchmarked, calculated and rewarded (as enumerated by old man during the past debate).

Very sad. Now the latest hot off the press, we wants to create a ‘Mini Denmark’. Oops meaning to say, I can anticipate someone drawing cartoons to be published in the ST, haha. LOL how are the cartoons going to turn out??

]]> By: James http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19313 James Fri, 29 Aug 2008 00:06:13 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19313 Basically Singapore has failed to be nurtured as a nation: 1. fertility rate/population growth (which impact almost every other factor); 2. social graces 3. education purposes all largely because of its pragmatism and economic imperatives. a nation without one body one spirit, almost everyone just a digit. so i think these are the root causes. (sorry I missed this whole post and comments. I browsed through - it is not uplifting) Basically Singapore has failed to be nurtured as a nation:
1. fertility rate/population growth (which impact almost every other factor);
2. social graces
3. education purposes

all largely because of its pragmatism and economic imperatives. a nation without one body one spirit, almost everyone just a digit.

so i think these are the root causes.

(sorry I missed this whole post and comments. I browsed through – it is not uplifting)

]]> By: Longzikai http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19158 Longzikai Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:09:22 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19158 The government has taught people that you don't need to be hardworking and groom a person to be hardworkding. All you need to do is to buy FT, give them the citizenship, and lure them to bring you medals by giving out huge sum of money (the carrot). The China government only gives out S$75,000 for gold medal, as compared with our silver medal $750,000 and 1.5 mil for gold medals, no wonder the media always says silver medal is "as good as GOLD". I think it is even BETTER than gold. Li Jia Wei earned > 100,000 for this silver medal, is already getting more than Zhang Yi Lin already. Of course, without this carrot, we will not have FT here... and seriously speaking, there is not much of "glory" to bring to Singapore. At the end of the day, where is Singapore's rank in the olympics? Is a medal that important? I am also surprised to see my colleagues shared the same feeling as mine when I am cheering for Korea's team instead of Singapore team in the semi-finals. How bad that our government has used this to divide us instead of unite us. The government has taught people that you don’t need to be hardworking and groom a person to be hardworkding. All you need to do is to buy FT, give them the citizenship, and lure them to bring you medals by giving out huge sum of money (the carrot). The China government only gives out S$75,000 for gold medal, as compared with our silver medal $750,000 and 1.5 mil for gold medals, no wonder the media always says silver medal is “as good as GOLD”. I think it is even BETTER than gold. Li Jia Wei earned > 100,000 for this silver medal, is already getting more than Zhang Yi Lin already. Of course, without this carrot, we will not have FT here… and seriously speaking, there is not much of “glory” to bring to Singapore. At the end of the day, where is Singapore’s rank in the olympics? Is a medal that important? I am also surprised to see my colleagues shared the same feeling as mine when I am cheering for Korea’s team instead of Singapore team in the semi-finals. How bad that our government has used this to divide us instead of unite us.

]]> By: Jimmy http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19112 Jimmy Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:51:54 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19112 it is nugatory indeed, for singapore to import foreign talents, when they do realise the fact that there will never be a 100% dedication and passion put into their games. in fact, it is seemingly obvious that they are using singapore as a platform to be successful as sports people, where they are wanted and are paid for. as mentioned many times earlier, the term singapore citizen is only embedded on them so that they can further develop their career. there is absolutely no sense of true pride and belonging. we are aware that at the end of the day, once they've made their debut and earned enough capital, they will probably return to their motherland. however, these are only our perspectives. we will never know what the foreign talents themselves are thinking. perhaps time is the best judge. there just might be this small possibility that they are playing the games as a true singaporean, dedicating their hearts and souls with pride and dignity. but of course there's not much to hope for. it is nugatory indeed, for singapore to import foreign talents, when they do realise the fact that there will never be a 100% dedication and passion put into their games. in fact, it is seemingly obvious that they are using singapore as a platform to be successful as sports people, where they are wanted and are paid for. as mentioned many times earlier, the term singapore citizen is only embedded on them so that they can further develop their career. there is absolutely no sense of true pride and belonging. we are aware that at the end of the day, once they’ve made their debut and earned enough capital, they will probably return to their motherland. however, these are only our perspectives. we will never know what the foreign talents themselves are thinking. perhaps time is the best judge. there just might be this small possibility that they are playing the games as a true singaporean, dedicating their hearts and souls with pride and dignity. but of course there’s not much to hope for.

]]> By: seaporter http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19106 seaporter Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:27:22 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19106 Are we deceiving ourselves that we really won a medal at the Olympics? THL is still the ONE person who won an Olympics Silver medal for the Republic. Compared to the bought imports from China, he trained himself w/o any perks and $$$ from the government. I guess what he received was not much compared to those imported talents from China. These talents just came here because of money and use Singapore as an alternate way of appearing in world class competition since China has so many talented kids. But I believe their hearts are still with their motherland. Did they sing the Majulah? Why is LJW dragging our Singapore flag w/o any sense of respect. I bet they don't even know what's the meaning of our national anthem. Once they earned enough, they will depart to Aus or NZL or Canada for sure. Cos Singapore is just a good place to earn more money, save it and go spend elsewhere. Why is it that the PAP always like to take shortcuts in using money to buy medals rather than developing our local talents; be it 10, 20 or 30 years. We will reap more benefits than relying on the imports who may not choose Sinkapore as their place of retirement. The PAP also knows it for sure the many who departed right. Afterall, what are fruits of sports or a sporting nation? Professionalism, fighting spirit, endurance, never-say-die attitude, perseverance, discipline. I believe if we didn't win any medals, these traits are equally satisfying and beneficial to Singapore. But kudos to LBW who has damaged the season of celebration for our medal after a "good" 48 years. Anyway most Singaporean don't regard this medal as ours since it's bought with CASH and not with our own sweat. Are we deceiving ourselves that we really won a medal at the Olympics? THL is still the ONE person who won an Olympics Silver medal for the Republic. Compared to the bought imports from China, he trained himself w/o any perks and $$$ from the government. I guess what he received was not much compared to those imported talents from China. These talents just came here because of money and use Singapore as an alternate way of appearing in world class competition since China has so many talented kids. But I believe their hearts are still with their motherland. Did they sing the Majulah? Why is LJW dragging our Singapore flag w/o any sense of respect. I bet they don’t even know what’s the meaning of our national anthem. Once they earned enough, they will depart to Aus or NZL or Canada for sure. Cos Singapore is just a good place to earn more money, save it and go spend elsewhere. Why is it that the PAP always like to take shortcuts in using money to buy medals rather than developing our local talents; be it 10, 20 or 30 years. We will reap more benefits than relying on the imports who may not choose Sinkapore as their place of retirement. The PAP also knows it for sure the many who departed right. Afterall, what are fruits of sports or a sporting nation? Professionalism, fighting spirit, endurance, never-say-die attitude, perseverance, discipline. I believe if we didn’t win any medals, these traits are equally satisfying and beneficial to Singapore. But kudos to LBW who has damaged the season of celebration for our medal after a “good” 48 years. Anyway most Singaporean don’t regard this medal as ours since it’s bought with CASH and not with our own sweat.

]]> By: Kent http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19040 Kent Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:54:24 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19040 To Kent: "My dear friend. Your calling sounds so familiar with one of our previous chosen ones. The problem is, why must we be guided by your suggestion on how we should engage matters of interest." That is only a suggestion. In a democracy any change must be peaceful and thro the ballot box like in Permatang Puah ! The alternative is anarchy that we are now vividly witnessing in Bangkok. Is that what you prefer? I don't, for the sake of my family and the future generations of Singaporeans. We must live in harmony !! To Kent : "WE are the people you see." Then get your act together. The country belongs to the people not to any party ! To Kent : "Currently, we feel very comfortable in giving our views here in order to bond the people in a manner we find convenient, except maybe for you who may not feel bonded judging from your point of view." There is free speech in Spore so long that you don't stir or inflame sectarian violence and religious hatred or defame anyone. If you feel unconfortable to write to the MSM then the TOC forum is an excellent avenue to start. To Kent: “My dear friend. Your calling sounds so familiar with one of our previous chosen ones. The problem is, why must we be guided by your suggestion on how we should engage matters of interest.”

That is only a suggestion. In a democracy any change must be peaceful and thro the ballot box like in Permatang Puah ! The alternative is anarchy that we are now vividly witnessing in Bangkok. Is that what you prefer? I don’t, for the sake of my family and the future generations of Singaporeans. We must live in harmony !!

To Kent : “WE are the people you see.”

Then get your act together. The country belongs to the people not to any party !

To Kent : “Currently, we feel very comfortable in giving our views here in order to bond the people in a manner we find convenient, except maybe for you who may not feel bonded judging from your point of view.”

There is free speech in Spore so long that you don’t stir or inflame sectarian violence and religious hatred or defame anyone. If you feel unconfortable to write to the MSM then the TOC forum is an excellent avenue to start.

]]> By: To jjb55 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19030 To jjb55 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:56:38 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19030 "101) jjb55 on August 27th, 2008 9.32 am Without civilised effective communication, alternative voices can’t shed its image as a brat who whimpers to get nothing but attention." Hi jjb55, I hear you too. Why are the alternative voices here deserving of your attention in coming into this site and your attention of precious time in replying a line or two. Yes, I forgot, you could be here by accident with your brother in arms. “101) jjb55 on August 27th, 2008 9.32 am
Without civilised effective communication, alternative voices can’t shed its image as a brat who whimpers to get nothing but attention.”

Hi jjb55, I hear you too.

Why are the alternative voices here deserving of your attention in coming into this site and your attention of precious time in replying a line or two. Yes, I forgot, you could be here by accident with your brother in arms.

]]> By: To Kent http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19028 To Kent Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:50:20 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19028 "98) Kent on August 26th, 2008 9.38 pm Then join or form a new political party and take him on in 2011. Let the people decide if you have what it takes to bond the people." My dear friend. Your calling sounds so familiar with one of our previous chosen ones. The problem is, why must we be guided by your suggestion on how we should engage matters of interest. WE are the people you see. Currently, we feel very comfortable in giving our views here in order to bond the people in a manner we find convenient, except maybe for you who may not feel bonded judging from your point of view. “98) Kent on August 26th, 2008 9.38 pm Then join or form a new political party and take him on in 2011. Let the people decide if you have what it takes to bond the people.”

My dear friend. Your calling sounds so familiar with one of our previous chosen ones. The problem is, why must we be guided by your suggestion on how we should engage matters of interest.

WE are the people you see. Currently, we feel very comfortable in giving our views here in order to bond the people in a manner we find convenient, except maybe for you who may not feel bonded judging from your point of view.

]]> By: seaporter http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19016 seaporter Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:59:22 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19016 What's the big deal about celebrating in getting the silver olympic medal? This is just another import from world class China and furthermore a 'B' team. I'm wondering what will the future of sports in Singapore be like? Using money to buy over hearts and skills to achieve short term gain but compromise on the future of our children. We will sink further in economic disparity as well as sporting glory where there is none of a fighting spirit and confidence in facing the other giants like China and India. With no natural resource, we have only brains and skills but exploited at the gain of PAP to shut out our own talents. Why not invest in our present generation and reap long term gain of economic progression, creativity, survival skill and fighting spirit, nevermind the medal ... it's just a piece of medal for public display. What’s the big deal about celebrating in getting the silver olympic medal? This is just another import from world class China and furthermore a ‘B’ team. I’m wondering what will the future of sports in Singapore be like? Using money to buy over hearts and skills to achieve short term gain but compromise on the future of our children. We will sink further in economic disparity as well as sporting glory where there is none of a fighting spirit and confidence in facing the other giants like China and India. With no natural resource, we have only brains and skills but exploited at the gain of PAP to shut out our own talents. Why not invest in our present generation and reap long term gain of economic progression, creativity, survival skill and fighting spirit, nevermind the medal … it’s just a piece of medal for public display.

]]> By: jervois http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-19014 jervois Wed, 27 Aug 2008 04:37:20 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-19014 Anthony i agree with you 100%! The PAP govt has lost its plot and can only think of money money money. Anthony i agree with you 100%! The PAP govt has lost its plot and can only think of money money money.

]]> By: jjb55 http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-3/#comment-18976 jjb55 Wed, 27 Aug 2008 01:32:46 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18976 Kent, you sounded quite harsh, but I hear you. Some people have no idea what the rest of the world is becoming, how they are impacting us, and how vulnerable the Singaporean economy is. It is disheartening to see some people in the TOC manipulating people garner political power. I wonder how better are such people than the PAP. "The world has learned about China, and China has learned about the world", said the president of the International Olympics Committee. It is also globalisation that is forcing the PAP is opened its doors. At the end of the day, we have to realise that it is true sincerity the voice and a listening ear that make democracy serves its end. Without civilised effective communication, alternative voices can't shed its image as a brat who whimpers to get nothing but attention. How better then is this brat compared to an PAP with poor communication skills which make it look arrogant? Kent, you sounded quite harsh, but I hear you.

Some people have no idea what the rest of the world is becoming, how they are impacting us, and how vulnerable the Singaporean economy is.

It is disheartening to see some people in the TOC manipulating people garner political power. I wonder how better are such people than the PAP.

“The world has learned about China, and China has learned about the world”, said the president of the International Olympics Committee. It is also globalisation that is forcing the PAP is opened its doors.

At the end of the day, we have to realise that it is true sincerity the voice and a listening ear that make democracy serves its end. Without civilised effective communication, alternative voices can’t shed its image as a brat who whimpers to get nothing but attention. How better then is this brat compared to an PAP with poor communication skills which make it look arrogant?

]]> By: Olympic dreamer http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-2/#comment-18920 Olympic dreamer Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:26:52 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18920 To Kent: I have been reading many of your postings amongst the others. You are clearly a damn embarrassing stooge. If you have the balls admit it. I say it one more time - your postings reflect those of a damn disgusted stooge. Full-stop. If you dont admit it, sad to say that you lacked good conscience. Full-stop. Rather pathetic that fought to keep on scoring debating points , but sad to say you lacked sorely real solid points of rebuttals. Eg you are damn too picky, for eg. to clarified about Linux invented by Linus something blah blah blah when someone quoted Microsoft etc. Admitedly this one you are good at which I heap praise on you. You are only welcomed here because many of us are gracious enough to 'let you post' so to speak (of course it’s the TOC team's decision ). But go and stand in front of a hugh mirror (if you can go and find one as big as the PAP national day billboard at Bishan or anywhere which is not too difficult to find). Otherwise if you can't find a hugh mirror, said to say we readers, writers of this site are your mirrors la hor. Please rebutt (and when you do it, haha you have fallen into a trap...) To Kent:

I have been reading many of your postings amongst the others. You are clearly a damn embarrassing stooge. If you have the balls admit it. I say it one more time – your postings reflect those of a damn disgusted stooge. Full-stop. If you dont admit it, sad to say that you lacked good conscience. Full-stop.

Rather pathetic that fought to keep on scoring debating points , but sad to say you lacked sorely real solid points of rebuttals. Eg you are damn too picky, for eg. to clarified about Linux invented by Linus something blah blah blah when someone quoted Microsoft etc. Admitedly this one you are good at which I heap praise on you.

You are only welcomed here because many of us are gracious enough to ‘let you post’ so to speak (of course it’s the TOC team’s decision ). But go and stand in front of a hugh mirror (if you can go and find one as big as the PAP national day billboard at Bishan or anywhere which is not too difficult to find). Otherwise if you can’t find a hugh mirror, said to say we readers, writers of this site are your mirrors la hor.

Please rebutt (and when you do it, haha you have fallen into a trap…)

]]> By: Conjob http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-2/#comment-18918 Conjob Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:08:58 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18918 @ kent You have an ego problem. easy does it mate. not taking it out on you. Singapore is way past the stage to be compared with the countries you mentioned. Come on mate, surely we should be looking at Paris, New York, Amsterdam, Munchen, Sydney, Melbourne, Tokyo for comparison. Your suggestion that I should join a political party is valid. I just need to think about the conflict of interest. LOL @ kent

You have an ego problem. easy does it mate. not taking it out on you.
Singapore is way past the stage to be compared with the countries you mentioned. Come on mate, surely we should be looking at Paris, New York, Amsterdam, Munchen, Sydney, Melbourne, Tokyo for comparison.
Your suggestion that I should join a political party is valid. I just need to think about the conflict of interest. LOL

]]> By: Kent http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-2/#comment-18912 Kent Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:38:24 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18912 Conjob : "I am more concern for PM Lee because he is suppose to be the leader and how he bonds with the people will affect the mood of the country.' Then join or form a new political party and take him on in 2011. Let the people decide if you have what it takes to bond the people. Conjob: "I pointed out that it takes more than raising the flag at the Olympics for people to bond with each other. Firstly we have too much of this kiasu, kiasi, kiamsiap and bochap traits as a people that does not foster bonding as a nation." Then why not visit the Philipines or Indonesia or Thailand or Pakistan and see for yourself if you like their social and political mores there?. I am sure they can use your expertise in bonding too. Conjob: "I believe most of the problems are a result of self serving governance and policies." Then join or form a new political party and take on the ruling party in 2011. Let the people decide. Why take it out on me ? End of discussion. Bye. Conjob : “I am more concern for PM Lee because he is suppose to be the leader and how he bonds with the people will affect the mood of the country.’

Then join or form a new political party and take him on in 2011. Let the people decide if you have what it takes to bond the people.

Conjob: “I pointed out that it takes more than raising the flag at the Olympics for people to bond with each other. Firstly we have too much of this kiasu, kiasi, kiamsiap and bochap traits as a people that does not foster bonding as a nation.”

Then why not visit the Philipines or Indonesia or Thailand or Pakistan and see for yourself if you like their social and political mores there?. I am sure they can use your expertise in bonding too.

Conjob: “I believe most of the problems are a result of self serving governance and policies.”

Then join or form a new political party and take on the ruling party in 2011. Let the people decide. Why take it out on me ? End of discussion. Bye.

]]> By: Conjob http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-2/#comment-18899 Conjob Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:01:40 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18899 @ kent you are wasting my time too and I expected better replies from you. I am looking at things on the national level because it impacts most of us and you ask me whether I am an expert in the art of bonding. So if I am not, I am wasting your time ? Is this your attitude in debating ? I am more concern for PM Lee because he is suppose to be the leader and how he bonds with the people will affect the mood of the country. I pointed out that it takes more than raising the flag at the Olympics for people to bond with each other. Firstly we have too much of this kiasu, kiasi, kiamsiap and bochap traits as a people that does not foster bonding as a nation. I believe most of the problems are a result of self serving governance and policies. No worries mate, on your exaggeration of my rage and bp. LOL @ kent

you are wasting my time too and I expected better replies from you.
I am looking at things on the national level because it impacts most of us and you ask me whether I am an expert in the art of bonding. So if I am not, I am wasting your time ? Is this your attitude in debating ? I am more concern for PM Lee because he is suppose to be the leader and how he bonds with the people will affect the mood of the country. I pointed out that it takes more than raising the flag at the Olympics for people to bond with each other. Firstly we have too much of this kiasu, kiasi, kiamsiap and bochap traits as a people that does not foster bonding as a nation.
I believe most of the problems are a result of self serving governance and policies. No worries mate, on your exaggeration of my rage and bp. LOL

]]> By: Kent http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-2/#comment-18887 Kent Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:47:18 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18887 Conjob : "Besides bowling , we can focus on shooting, sailing and some other sports that other netizens can suggest. We have so many young men doing NS." Are we not focusing on sailing and shooting? We have good sailors and shooters but they did not win in Beijing. Why not? Conjob: "Take note that India won only 1 gold with a population of 1 billion !" Here is the paradox. If India with 1 billion people is capable of winning only 1 gold medal how many gold medals do you expect 3.6 million S'poreans to win? Conjob :"Why must it be foreign imports for table tennis ? why not other sports ?" Because the impossible we will do immediately, miracles take a little longer. Conjob : "Since the topic is about sports, then there is more reason to have men/women in parliament who can influence the direction of the country to acquire a sports culture. For example, one Ivy Singh can do more for sports than many of the MPs put together." But can you legislate to win a gold medal? If you can then Spore is really unique!! Conjob: "Now try hard to visualise if we have more quality opposition members who are in parliament chipping in and the chance of winning medals gets better." Sorry I am not as insightful as you Conjob. Please amplify . Conjob : "Let’s be honest and ask STTA whether we have potential world champions other than the 3 China imports. [one has given notice of retirement. ] or do they need to do another round of shopping ?" We have a potential winner for the fastest hands in doing SMS ! A Singapore teen won the world contest last year but too bad this is not an Olympic event. As for one "has given notice of retiremen" is it any wonder she is getting out, with so many ungracious S'poreans baying for her blood? Conjob :"Why not ask PM Lee himself, if he has a solution other than shopping …..govt stooges are in a good position to meet him. LOL" If it makes you better to be nasty then by all means call me a stooge. Its hurts me like water off a duck's back. Since this debate has decended into gutter politics its pointless to carry on. Go and do some heavy breathing exercise to bring down your rage and BP !! Not good for your health to be so angry with the world. Conjob : "And also don’t forget to ask him what he understands by bonding with citizens." Tell me if you are an expert in the art of bonding too first. If you are not and you are just an armchair critic then don't bother !! Don't waste my time !! Conjob : “Besides bowling , we can focus on shooting, sailing and some other sports that other netizens can suggest. We have so many young men doing NS.”

Are we not focusing on sailing and shooting? We have good sailors and shooters but they did not win in Beijing. Why not?

Conjob: “Take note that India won only 1 gold with a population of 1 billion !”

Here is the paradox. If India with 1 billion people is capable of winning only 1 gold medal how many gold medals do you expect 3.6 million S’poreans to win?

Conjob :”Why must it be foreign imports for table tennis ? why not other sports ?”

Because the impossible we will do immediately, miracles take a little longer.

Conjob : “Since the topic is about sports, then there is more reason to have men/women in parliament who can influence the direction of the country to acquire a sports culture. For example, one Ivy Singh can do more for sports than many of the MPs put together.”

But can you legislate to win a gold medal? If you can then Spore is really unique!!

Conjob: “Now try hard to visualise if we have more quality opposition members who are in parliament chipping in and the chance of winning medals gets better.”

Sorry I am not as insightful as you Conjob. Please amplify .

Conjob : “Let’s be honest and ask STTA whether we have potential world champions other than the 3 China imports. [one has given notice of retirement. ] or do they need to do another round of shopping ?”

We have a potential winner for the fastest hands in doing SMS ! A Singapore teen won the world contest last year but too bad this is not an Olympic event.

As for one “has given notice of retiremen” is it any wonder she is getting out, with so many ungracious S’poreans baying for her blood?

Conjob :”Why not ask PM Lee himself, if he has a solution other than shopping …..govt stooges are in a good position to meet him. LOL”

If it makes you better to be nasty then by all means call me a stooge. Its hurts me like water off a duck’s back. Since this debate has decended into gutter politics its pointless to carry on. Go and do some heavy breathing exercise to bring down your rage and BP !! Not good for your health to be so angry with the world.

Conjob : “And also don’t forget to ask him what he understands by bonding with citizens.”

Tell me if you are an expert in the art of bonding too first. If you are not and you are just an armchair critic then don’t bother !! Don’t waste my time !!

]]> By: Conjob http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-2/#comment-18871 Conjob Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:25:16 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18871 @ kent Besides bowling , we can focus on shooting, sailing and some other sports that other netizens can suggest. We have so many young men doing NS. Take note that India won only 1 gold with a population of 1 billion ! Other countries are doing it......yes, but they have worthy champions in other sports and also a sports culture to back it up.......Singapore ???? Why must it be foreign imports for table tennis ? why not other sports ? Remember I mentioned the kallang roar. The ordinary people could identify with the football team in the 70s and they were not world beaters. I assure you the outpouring of sentiments for the table tennis team is no where compared to what I have experienced in the 70s. I don't expect you to understand if you were not from that era. Govt stooges need to understand that the ruling party's self serving governance and policies have a direct impact on the country and its people. Since the topic is about sports, then there is more reason to have men/women in parliament who can influence the direction of the country to acquire a sports culture. For example, one Ivy Singh can do more for sports than many of the MPs put together. Now try hard to visualise if we have more quality opposition members who are in parliament chipping in and the chance of winning medals gets better. Let's be honest and ask STTA whether we have potential world champions other than the 3 China imports. [one has given notice of retirement. ] or do they need to do another round of shopping ? Why not ask PM Lee himself, if he has a solution other than shopping .....govt stooges are in a good position to meet him. LOL And also don't forget to ask him what he understands by bonding with citizens. PM Lee is obliged to explain it to you, right ? LOL @ kent

Besides bowling , we can focus on shooting, sailing and some other sports that other netizens can suggest. We have so many young men doing NS. Take note that India won only 1 gold with a population of 1 billion !
Other countries are doing it……yes, but they have worthy champions in other sports and also a sports culture to back it up…….Singapore ????
Why must it be foreign imports for table tennis ? why not other sports ?
Remember I mentioned the kallang roar. The ordinary people could identify with the football team in the 70s and they were not world beaters. I assure you the outpouring of sentiments for the table tennis team is no where compared to what I have experienced in the 70s. I don’t expect you to understand if you were not from that era.
Govt stooges need to understand that the ruling party’s self serving governance and policies have a direct impact on the country and its people. Since the topic is about sports, then there is more reason to have men/women in parliament who can influence the direction of the country to acquire a sports culture. For example, one Ivy Singh can do more for sports than many of the MPs put together. Now try hard to visualise if we have more quality opposition members who are in parliament chipping in and the chance of winning medals gets better. Let’s be honest and ask STTA whether we have potential world champions other than the 3 China imports. [one has given notice of retirement. ] or do they need to do another round of shopping ? Why not ask PM Lee himself, if he has a solution other than shopping …..govt stooges are in a good position to meet him. LOL
And also don’t forget to ask him what he understands by bonding with citizens.
PM Lee is obliged to explain it to you, right ? LOL

]]> By: Kent http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/i-am-not-celebrating/comment-page-2/#comment-18857 Kent Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:09:04 +0000 http://theonlinecitizen.com/?p=1100#comment-18857 Conjob : "I am talking about beating them consistently." Then you are talking only about bowling or how fast our teens can do SMS? Conjob: "Have you thought about the sentiments of other races in our country with regards to our China imports?" No. Are there any resentment? What about Susilo? Is there also resentment cos he is another Indonesian Chinese? All the last 16 nations in the Beijing Table Tennis have Chinese sounding names. Did the other races in the USA resent their China imports? I don't think so. Did Australia's other races resent their table tennis imports from China. I don't think so. They all play the GAME!!! They are all very understanding of the term "horses for courses." Why are we different? Conjob: "I am surprised that you have no idea how people in a country should bond under than raising a flag at some Olympics. And you show yourself as another stooge of this govt when you suggested TOTO, 4 D , horse racing." I am also surprised that you failed to detect sarcasm when I suggest 4D et al. I asked you to pray tell how a country should bond but you evaded the issue by bleating " Right now, this govt does not deserve any input from me on how to bond with the ordinary people." If not now when ? Are you an expert in bonding? And BTW stop saying I am a stooge. I am not !! Conjob : "how many citizens put up the flag on national day ?" Not many unless you buy the flags for them I guess. Did you put up a flag? Conjob :" And how many actually agree with the manner in which we obtain the silver ?" From the outpouring of sentiments at the airport and at Raffles City I say a lot. But cynics can say that too is faked ! Its a no win situation from the knockers' perspective I guess. Cest la vie !! Conjob : "Vocalising my thoughts at the sports school will not be effective, this country needs more opposition in parliament and not 2 vs 82." So more opposition MPs equate to more Olympic medals? Is that a valid argument? While I agree to more opposition MPs in parliament I don't see what that has got anything to do with winning medals. I say keep politics out of Sports. Conjob : “I am talking about beating them consistently.”

Then you are talking only about bowling or how fast our teens can do SMS?

Conjob: “Have you thought about the sentiments of other races in our country with regards to our China imports?”

No. Are there any resentment? What about Susilo? Is there also resentment cos he is another Indonesian Chinese? All the last 16 nations in the Beijing Table Tennis have Chinese sounding names. Did the other races in the USA resent their China imports? I don’t think so. Did Australia’s other races resent their table tennis imports from China. I don’t think so. They all play the GAME!!! They are all very understanding of the term “horses for courses.” Why are we different?

Conjob: “I am surprised that you have no idea how people in a country should bond under than raising a flag at some Olympics. And you show yourself as another stooge of this govt when you suggested TOTO, 4 D , horse racing.”

I am also surprised that you failed to detect sarcasm when I suggest 4D et al. I asked you to pray tell how a country should bond but you evaded the issue by bleating ” Right now, this govt does not deserve any input from me on how to bond with the ordinary people.” If not now when ? Are you an expert in bonding?
And BTW stop saying I am a stooge. I am not !!

Conjob : “how many citizens put up the flag on national day ?”

Not many unless you buy the flags for them I guess. Did you put up a flag?

Conjob :” And how many actually agree with the manner in which we obtain the silver ?”

From the outpouring of sentiments at the airport and at Raffles City I say a lot. But cynics can say that too is faked ! Its a no win situation from the knockers’ perspective I guess. Cest la vie !!

Conjob : “Vocalising my thoughts at the sports school will not be effective, this country needs more opposition in parliament and not 2 vs 82.”

So more opposition MPs equate to more Olympic medals? Is that a valid argument? While I agree to more opposition MPs in parliament I don’t see what that has got anything to do with winning medals. I say keep politics out of Sports.

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