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		<title>By: FourthChild</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/nanny-gets-serious-abot-babies-but/comment-page-1/#comment-18862</link>
		<dc:creator>FourthChild</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When in my parent generation, government DO NOT encourage them to have more than 3 babies, if they have more than 3 babies, the 4th 5th 6th babies would have to PAY a FINE, well i do not know how much is the &quot;fine&quot;, neither my parent, well i am that 4th CHILD(fine baby), so pathetic, no edusave and yet my parent have to pay a FINE. So envy of those new born babies and lucky parent to enjoy those incentive!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When in my parent generation, government DO NOT encourage them to have more than 3 babies, if they have more than 3 babies, the 4th 5th 6th babies would have to PAY a FINE, well i do not know how much is the &#8220;fine&#8221;, neither my parent, well i am that 4th CHILD(fine baby), so pathetic, no edusave and yet my parent have to pay a FINE. So envy of those new born babies and lucky parent to enjoy those incentive!</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Totally agree with Jason (#20) - the increasing cost of living is main reason.  

Second reason I think is not planning for parenthood and a shortage of parenting courses (no, I am not joking).   Many first-time parents are lost without some guidance in baby-care and child discipline.  They either over-rely on maids/parents/in-laws or they &quot;suddenly wake up one day&quot; to find themselves with rebellious kids.

Look around you - some of those who can&#039;t afford children are &#039;sprouting babies&#039; like nothing.  Those who can afford are not having any.  And many are having babies for all the wrong kinds of reasons - to spite an ex-boyfriend, etc.  (God bless those who know what they&#039;re doing!)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with Jason (#20) &#8211; the increasing cost of living is main reason.  </p>
<p>Second reason I think is not planning for parenthood and a shortage of parenting courses (no, I am not joking).   Many first-time parents are lost without some guidance in baby-care and child discipline.  They either over-rely on maids/parents/in-laws or they &#8220;suddenly wake up one day&#8221; to find themselves with rebellious kids.</p>
<p>Look around you &#8211; some of those who can&#8217;t afford children are &#8217;sprouting babies&#8217; like nothing.  Those who can afford are not having any.  And many are having babies for all the wrong kinds of reasons &#8211; to spite an ex-boyfriend, etc.  (God bless those who know what they&#8217;re doing!)</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i think such baby incentives will never solve this falling birthrate problem in the long run, maybe so in the short run eg 1-2yrs but definitely they will regret. 

If I were the govt, and I see that there is a pressing need for people to start work and pay taxes on time, why would I waste time waiting for babies to be born and then grow up to being able-bodied working people 30yrs later? Might as well get foreigners in and the result is immediate.

The main thing for low birth rate is not because of the absence of low incentives, but rather is the big picture - the economic environment of Singapore.

50yrs ago, during my grandmother&#039;s time, there weren&#039;t much baby incentives but still she had 7 children - 5 daughters and 2 sons to be exact - and raised them single-handedly (my grandfather passed away at an early age of 38).

Now in 2008, you see most couples having either 1 or 2, very little having more than 3. That&#039;s due to the INCREASING COST OF LIVING.

In short, the govt has to wake up their idea and realise that it&#039;s not the incentives that&#039;s going to solve this problem, rather they have to lower the INCREASING COST OF LIVING.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i think such baby incentives will never solve this falling birthrate problem in the long run, maybe so in the short run eg 1-2yrs but definitely they will regret. </p>
<p>If I were the govt, and I see that there is a pressing need for people to start work and pay taxes on time, why would I waste time waiting for babies to be born and then grow up to being able-bodied working people 30yrs later? Might as well get foreigners in and the result is immediate.</p>
<p>The main thing for low birth rate is not because of the absence of low incentives, but rather is the big picture &#8211; the economic environment of Singapore.</p>
<p>50yrs ago, during my grandmother&#8217;s time, there weren&#8217;t much baby incentives but still she had 7 children &#8211; 5 daughters and 2 sons to be exact &#8211; and raised them single-handedly (my grandfather passed away at an early age of 38).</p>
<p>Now in 2008, you see most couples having either 1 or 2, very little having more than 3. That&#8217;s due to the INCREASING COST OF LIVING.</p>
<p>In short, the govt has to wake up their idea and realise that it&#8217;s not the incentives that&#8217;s going to solve this problem, rather they have to lower the INCREASING COST OF LIVING.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:21:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Quoted by Kenwood:  I’m afraid the govt’s unspoken agenda is still to get more babies from educated parents. 

More like &#039;from married couples&#039; or &quot;divorced indiciduals&quot;.  There are many well-educated (especially those above 35) who would not hesitate to have kids without any marriage ties.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;&gt;&gt;Quoted by Kenwood:  I’m afraid the govt’s unspoken agenda is still to get more babies from educated parents. </p>
<p>More like &#8216;from married couples&#8217; or &#8220;divorced indiciduals&#8221;.  There are many well-educated (especially those above 35) who would not hesitate to have kids without any marriage ties.</p>
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		<title>By: Sparklingscent</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sparklingscent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:50:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If our birthrate is falling...why is the BoonLay Interchange and Jurong Point getting more and more crowded by the month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If our birthrate is falling&#8230;why is the BoonLay Interchange and Jurong Point getting more and more crowded by the month!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Kenwood</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kenwood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:50:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Andrew/Leong,

I agree with most of your suggestions, since this is how most of us would do in our work place. I mean, segmentize your customers (potential parents),  and analyze which customers would give you the highest yield for your limited marketing budget, in this case number of babies per couple.

These would be the sensible things to do, PROVIDED the govt is genuinely interested in getting higher birth rate, regardless of mother&#039;s educational background. 

I&#039;m afraid the govt&#039;s unspoken agenda is still to get more babies from educated parents. It would be naive to assume that the govt, with all those trained economists, would have missed what you have suggested.

Anyway, good work, and keep it coming.

Regards,</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andrew/Leong,</p>
<p>I agree with most of your suggestions, since this is how most of us would do in our work place. I mean, segmentize your customers (potential parents),  and analyze which customers would give you the highest yield for your limited marketing budget, in this case number of babies per couple.</p>
<p>These would be the sensible things to do, PROVIDED the govt is genuinely interested in getting higher birth rate, regardless of mother&#8217;s educational background. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m afraid the govt&#8217;s unspoken agenda is still to get more babies from educated parents. It would be naive to assume that the govt, with all those trained economists, would have missed what you have suggested.</p>
<p>Anyway, good work, and keep it coming.</p>
<p>Regards,</p>
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		<title>By: Amused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 08:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>About 2/3 of the population fall in the  middle class income bracket. If you think about it, do  you think couples seriously need tax payers monies to help elevate their financial burden in having kids? Even the struggling 20 percentile are giving births come bulls or bears and...some are having 5, 6 kids. Though it may not be prude to bear what you can&#039;t afford, but because they wanted a large family, they make do with very little assistance and still get by. 

You see, having kids should be a natural progression for couples and most can afford to have at least two kids if they so wished. So why is the govt throwing good money at these people for having kids when taxpayers monies could be used for more challenging needs?

If couples don&#039;t want to have kids for whatever reasons, this token amount will not move them. Furthermore, do we want to encourage births for all the wrong reasons?

There maybe some on the fringe who  could genuinely appreciate state&#039;s money to help them along but the number, i suspect, are few( these could have been assisted on a case by case if need be). So effectively, we are throwing good tax payers monies, which could have been put to more worthy uses, at many couples who already are financially able and willing parents come what may!

It seems like, even in giving births, the rich are...well, getting richer for it. Now I am not saying we should not help couples who want to be better parents but, most do not need a financial windfall for doing something that comes naturally to them.

Aids should be given to &#039;fringe cases&#039; only.

That said, how many want to wager wasting tax monies on these (mostly) generally well to do couples will help save this country from falling birth rate?

Please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 2/3 of the population fall in the  middle class income bracket. If you think about it, do  you think couples seriously need tax payers monies to help elevate their financial burden in having kids? Even the struggling 20 percentile are giving births come bulls or bears and&#8230;some are having 5, 6 kids. Though it may not be prude to bear what you can&#8217;t afford, but because they wanted a large family, they make do with very little assistance and still get by. </p>
<p>You see, having kids should be a natural progression for couples and most can afford to have at least two kids if they so wished. So why is the govt throwing good money at these people for having kids when taxpayers monies could be used for more challenging needs?</p>
<p>If couples don&#8217;t want to have kids for whatever reasons, this token amount will not move them. Furthermore, do we want to encourage births for all the wrong reasons?</p>
<p>There maybe some on the fringe who  could genuinely appreciate state&#8217;s money to help them along but the number, i suspect, are few( these could have been assisted on a case by case if need be). So effectively, we are throwing good tax payers monies, which could have been put to more worthy uses, at many couples who already are financially able and willing parents come what may!</p>
<p>It seems like, even in giving births, the rich are&#8230;well, getting richer for it. Now I am not saying we should not help couples who want to be better parents but, most do not need a financial windfall for doing something that comes naturally to them.</p>
<p>Aids should be given to &#8216;fringe cases&#8217; only.</p>
<p>That said, how many want to wager wasting tax monies on these (mostly) generally well to do couples will help save this country from falling birth rate?</p>
<p>Please.</p>
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		<title>By: Sick Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sick Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 04:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>13) wondering on August 22nd, 2008 10.02 am

&quot;in our desperation at social engineering, i hope we don’t add to the widening chasm between the haves and the haves-not, the us and the they and ..those with babies and those wih barbies?&quot;

Social engineering ? The enginer too much lah, engineer this and engineer that. LIke a sick man taking many types of medicines, with each type of medicine to counteract the side effects of another medicine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>13) wondering on August 22nd, 2008 10.02 am</p>
<p>&#8220;in our desperation at social engineering, i hope we don’t add to the widening chasm between the haves and the haves-not, the us and the they and ..those with babies and those wih barbies?&#8221;</p>
<p>Social engineering ? The enginer too much lah, engineer this and engineer that. LIke a sick man taking many types of medicines, with each type of medicine to counteract the side effects of another medicine.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 22 Aug 2008</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 22 Aug 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 03:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Day Rally 2008 - Making Babies - Empty Vessel: Paying The Price With No Regrets - TOC: Nanny gets serious about babies but.. - vinyarb: Of getting hitched and babies - Hear Ye! Hear Ye!: Pro family policies: as good as it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Day Rally 2008 &#8211; Making Babies &#8211; Empty Vessel: Paying The Price With No Regrets &#8211; TOC: Nanny gets serious about babies but.. &#8211; vinyarb: Of getting hitched and babies &#8211; Hear Ye! Hear Ye!: Pro family policies: as good as it [...]</p>
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		<title>By: wondering</title>
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		<dc:creator>wondering</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 02:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>will these new measures to boost storks divide the people further? will there be new resentment towards preggies in the work place?

in our desperation at social engineering, i hope we don&#039;t add to the widening chasm between the haves and the haves-not, the us and the they and ..those with babies and those wih barbies?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>will these new measures to boost storks divide the people further? will there be new resentment towards preggies in the work place?</p>
<p>in our desperation at social engineering, i hope we don&#8217;t add to the widening chasm between the haves and the haves-not, the us and the they and ..those with babies and those wih barbies?</p>
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		<title>By: loop</title>
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		<dc:creator>loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was reading Friday, 22 Aug 08 Straits Times this morning.  The Home section was reporting on some parents trying to enrol their UNBORN INFANTS into some popular kindergartens.  Some of these kindergartens can cost as high as SGD1000 per month. 
I am not going to be convinced to give birth even with all the baby bonus extras given. I&#039;ve seen &amp; heard about a lot of cases whereby married children with families refused to take care of their elderly parents.  Should we not have policies that take care of elderly people first before asking young couples to give birth?
Anyway, as the economic is slowing down I do not see the rationales for implementing these policies now.  Small companies who does not have much financial backups may just start retrenching people now or refuse to hire woman who intends to give birth.
I envy a friend who intends to marry an Australian citizen soon.  I hope she&#039;ll be able to settle down nicely over there &amp; have as many kids as she wishes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was reading Friday, 22 Aug 08 Straits Times this morning.  The Home section was reporting on some parents trying to enrol their UNBORN INFANTS into some popular kindergartens.  Some of these kindergartens can cost as high as SGD1000 per month.<br />
I am not going to be convinced to give birth even with all the baby bonus extras given. I&#8217;ve seen &amp; heard about a lot of cases whereby married children with families refused to take care of their elderly parents.  Should we not have policies that take care of elderly people first before asking young couples to give birth?<br />
Anyway, as the economic is slowing down I do not see the rationales for implementing these policies now.  Small companies who does not have much financial backups may just start retrenching people now or refuse to hire woman who intends to give birth.<br />
I envy a friend who intends to marry an Australian citizen soon.  I hope she&#8217;ll be able to settle down nicely over there &amp; have as many kids as she wishes.</p>
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		<title>By: Too Late</title>
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		<dc:creator>Too Late</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:42:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>TAK,

Thank you for your views.

As a senior citizen, I have only one regret - I wished I had many more children but the Government&#039;s penalising policies then were very discouraging.

It is indeed too little, perhaps - &quot;peanuts&quot; (money @ S$600,000 pa no enough) can help, and feeling cold sweat with all the calculations!

Yeh, it is too late to reverse the trend with Singaporeans ; perhaps not too late with &quot;FTs&quot;. The future is going to be quite like an emotional roller coaster..........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>TAK,</p>
<p>Thank you for your views.</p>
<p>As a senior citizen, I have only one regret &#8211; I wished I had many more children but the Government&#8217;s penalising policies then were very discouraging.</p>
<p>It is indeed too little, perhaps &#8211; &#8220;peanuts&#8221; (money @ S$600,000 pa no enough) can help, and feeling cold sweat with all the calculations!</p>
<p>Yeh, it is too late to reverse the trend with Singaporeans ; perhaps not too late with &#8220;FTs&#8221;. The future is going to be quite like an emotional roller coaster&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: kf</title>
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		<dc:creator>kf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Aug 2008 01:23:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I mentioned earlier in the article Feeding our babies to the economy monster on July 24.
I would have hoped the policy makers consider an open book system, where we get to know their detailed rationales how each baby policy was arrived. The fact that the results are not forthcoming (compared to other countries) for years meant there is at least 1 critical flaw in the policies. 
I stand corrected, but so far I have yet to see the entire thought process of such rationales being made known on previous policies. I have also not seen them this time round when the policies were announced.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I mentioned earlier in the article Feeding our babies to the economy monster on July 24.<br />
I would have hoped the policy makers consider an open book system, where we get to know their detailed rationales how each baby policy was arrived. The fact that the results are not forthcoming (compared to other countries) for years meant there is at least 1 critical flaw in the policies.<br />
I stand corrected, but so far I have yet to see the entire thought process of such rationales being made known on previous policies. I have also not seen them this time round when the policies were announced.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 16:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sooooo wierd!  I feel that you might as well be sitting next to the room to make sure your children are pro-creating!  Single woman with baby (yes, single by choice) got money cannot even rent or buy HDB flat leh.  Where&#039;s the genuine support for women with kids!

The government will again worry there&#039;s NOT ENOUGH younger people to take care of the old because the old were born at the time when &quot;more children&quot; were encouraged.

What the government should say is:  HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS YOU DEEM FIT ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD AND WHAT YOU&#039;RE WILLING TO SPEND FOR THE CHILD.

The government should not encourage people to have children for the greed of money or when they are not emotionally and mentally ready for kids.

Mortality (I hate to say this word) and Singaporeans who immigrate will &quot;balance&quot; the population nicely!  &gt;,&lt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sooooo wierd!  I feel that you might as well be sitting next to the room to make sure your children are pro-creating!  Single woman with baby (yes, single by choice) got money cannot even rent or buy HDB flat leh.  Where&#8217;s the genuine support for women with kids!</p>
<p>The government will again worry there&#8217;s NOT ENOUGH younger people to take care of the old because the old were born at the time when &#8220;more children&#8221; were encouraged.</p>
<p>What the government should say is:  HAVE AS MANY CHILDREN AS YOU DEEM FIT ACCORDING TO WHAT YOU CAN AFFORD AND WHAT YOU&#8217;RE WILLING TO SPEND FOR THE CHILD.</p>
<p>The government should not encourage people to have children for the greed of money or when they are not emotionally and mentally ready for kids.</p>
<p>Mortality (I hate to say this word) and Singaporeans who immigrate will &#8220;balance&#8221; the population nicely!  &gt;,&lt;</p>
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		<title>By: Terence</title>
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		<dc:creator>Terence</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is no best fit. But rolling out improved incentives nevertheless help in one way or another. Continuous learning from other countries&#039; success stories in creating babies is crucial to ensure that Singapore&#039;s baby policy stays relevant and holistic.

At the end of the day, it is true that $$$ can&#039;t buy babies. It is still up to individuals/couples.

Cheers! :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is no best fit. But rolling out improved incentives nevertheless help in one way or another. Continuous learning from other countries&#8217; success stories in creating babies is crucial to ensure that Singapore&#8217;s baby policy stays relevant and holistic.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, it is true that $$$ can&#8217;t buy babies. It is still up to individuals/couples.</p>
<p>Cheers! :)</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Ah Kow</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan Ah Kow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:31:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Andrew/Leong

The government policy on procreation has come to late and too little to make any difference unless there is a revolutionary rethink of economic policy or wait for the problem to ride itself out.

The government&#039;s economic policy of growth for growth sake means that it will have no choice but to rely on foreign investments or labour. In the Singapore context the reliance on foreign investment and labour is far greater than any other countries.  And to top it all, what you have now is a economy trying to be a first world country in living standard but at the same time fuelling that living standard with low costs labour.

To meet these twin goals, it will have to ensure there is a pool of low cost labour and that is not going to be met by boosting birth rate, which is not a short term solution. 

Also it would be extremely hard pressed to pile any more so-called pro-family legislature without causing backlash from businesses. For example, the extended maternity leave will very unlikely to be easily enforced. Businesses can easily discriminate against mothers, which is likely to be local, by simply not hiring or promoting women. And with a lax overseas regime can easily just make the case for overseas labour.

To break the cycle, and say adopt the Scandinavian model, not only the government but also the Singapore electorate will need to a different mindset. One that emphasised a sustainable economic policy not a growth for growth sake policy. Also not one that accumulate wealth for the sake of it but one where wealth is meant to enhanced life.

Politically, the government is in a bind for the PAP depends on growth as it legitimacy to govern. So anything short of returning sterling growth will be disastrous. Adopting the Scandinavian model will be an anathema to the PAP&#039;s social policy of self reliance. Besides, many in the PAP are too blinkered to see the value of the Scandinavian model but will instead focus on the cost. So within the party it is unlikely to sell such a model. 

Outside the party, the business community in Singapore are too used to low taxation and loose legislation to contemplate the Scandinavian model. The PAP or for that matter will face a revolt from the very base (i.e. foreign businesses largely) from which they draw power.

There is also a myth that Scandinavian system itself is also less stressful than Singapore. The stress is manifested differently. In the Scandinavian system, their commercial strength lies in highly productive labour force to feed the economy. To sustain this level or productivity, you will need to a highly creative workforce, which can be a stressful prospect itself. They labour productivity (in terms of output value to labour cost) far outstrip Singapore&#039;s. 

An anecdotal evidence was provided by a Swedish colleague who noted, when he worked in Singapore, how in people in Singapore seemed to spend more time be in work (or pretending to work) and producing nothing or something of low value than his own countrymen. Even in the sphere of entrepreneurship the Scandinavian countries were able to generate more new businesses (world beating ones) than Singapore in quite a number fields (music -- ABBA, IT and biotech).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Andrew/Leong</p>
<p>The government policy on procreation has come to late and too little to make any difference unless there is a revolutionary rethink of economic policy or wait for the problem to ride itself out.</p>
<p>The government&#8217;s economic policy of growth for growth sake means that it will have no choice but to rely on foreign investments or labour. In the Singapore context the reliance on foreign investment and labour is far greater than any other countries.  And to top it all, what you have now is a economy trying to be a first world country in living standard but at the same time fuelling that living standard with low costs labour.</p>
<p>To meet these twin goals, it will have to ensure there is a pool of low cost labour and that is not going to be met by boosting birth rate, which is not a short term solution. </p>
<p>Also it would be extremely hard pressed to pile any more so-called pro-family legislature without causing backlash from businesses. For example, the extended maternity leave will very unlikely to be easily enforced. Businesses can easily discriminate against mothers, which is likely to be local, by simply not hiring or promoting women. And with a lax overseas regime can easily just make the case for overseas labour.</p>
<p>To break the cycle, and say adopt the Scandinavian model, not only the government but also the Singapore electorate will need to a different mindset. One that emphasised a sustainable economic policy not a growth for growth sake policy. Also not one that accumulate wealth for the sake of it but one where wealth is meant to enhanced life.</p>
<p>Politically, the government is in a bind for the PAP depends on growth as it legitimacy to govern. So anything short of returning sterling growth will be disastrous. Adopting the Scandinavian model will be an anathema to the PAP&#8217;s social policy of self reliance. Besides, many in the PAP are too blinkered to see the value of the Scandinavian model but will instead focus on the cost. So within the party it is unlikely to sell such a model. </p>
<p>Outside the party, the business community in Singapore are too used to low taxation and loose legislation to contemplate the Scandinavian model. The PAP or for that matter will face a revolt from the very base (i.e. foreign businesses largely) from which they draw power.</p>
<p>There is also a myth that Scandinavian system itself is also less stressful than Singapore. The stress is manifested differently. In the Scandinavian system, their commercial strength lies in highly productive labour force to feed the economy. To sustain this level or productivity, you will need to a highly creative workforce, which can be a stressful prospect itself. They labour productivity (in terms of output value to labour cost) far outstrip Singapore&#8217;s. </p>
<p>An anecdotal evidence was provided by a Swedish colleague who noted, when he worked in Singapore, how in people in Singapore seemed to spend more time be in work (or pretending to work) and producing nothing or something of low value than his own countrymen. Even in the sphere of entrepreneurship the Scandinavian countries were able to generate more new businesses (world beating ones) than Singapore in quite a number fields (music &#8212; ABBA, IT and biotech).</p>
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		<title>By: neutral</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/nanny-gets-serious-abot-babies-but/comment-page-1/#comment-18271</link>
		<dc:creator>neutral</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;so that our birth rate will increase beyond the current 1.29. The replacement level is 2.1. &quot;

I wonder who prepares the numbers? 

I am neutral.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;so that our birth rate will increase beyond the current 1.29. The replacement level is 2.1. &#8221;</p>
<p>I wonder who prepares the numbers? </p>
<p>I am neutral.</p>
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		<title>By: econisnomix</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/nanny-gets-serious-abot-babies-but/comment-page-1/#comment-18269</link>
		<dc:creator>econisnomix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 11:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Economics is but a small component of life.</description>
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		<title>By: Headless chicken</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/nanny-gets-serious-abot-babies-but/comment-page-1/#comment-18249</link>
		<dc:creator>Headless chicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:00:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Hi Hi. Some chinese saying which goes like this  : Human count may as well heaven count. In short, there are things that human will never know and cannot predict. They keep thinking that $ and carrots (perhaps a few more) are the only variables going towards any results that need to be achieved. 

They are like headless chicken moving aimlessly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Hi Hi. Some chinese saying which goes like this  : Human count may as well heaven count. In short, there are things that human will never know and cannot predict. They keep thinking that $ and carrots (perhaps a few more) are the only variables going towards any results that need to be achieved. </p>
<p>They are like headless chicken moving aimlessly.</p>
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		<title>By: money4yoursoul</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/nanny-gets-serious-abot-babies-but/comment-page-1/#comment-18243</link>
		<dc:creator>money4yoursoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since we are on the subject of how to use more tax payers monies to buy medals to encouraging more babies, how about giving monetary incentives to people planning to  pack and leave this country for greener pastures?

At least, if we failed to achieve the needed number of babies to replace the living dead, we can still stem the bleed of SINgaporeans from leaving?

After all, we seems to have breed a kind of people that wIll do anything for money? lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since we are on the subject of how to use more tax payers monies to buy medals to encouraging more babies, how about giving monetary incentives to people planning to  pack and leave this country for greener pastures?</p>
<p>At least, if we failed to achieve the needed number of babies to replace the living dead, we can still stem the bleed of SINgaporeans from leaving?</p>
<p>After all, we seems to have breed a kind of people that wIll do anything for money? lol</p>
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