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	<title>Comments on: Of concessions and tokenism, worrying trends in policy making</title>
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		<title>By: Towards a more emphathetic civil service : Civic Advocator * Shout and be heard in Singapore</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-60011</link>
		<dc:creator>Towards a more emphathetic civil service : Civic Advocator * Shout and be heard in Singapore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Apr 2009 10:33:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 120,000?  I guess his &#8220;empathy&#8221; will take a while to manifest itself.  We know that tokenism is a hallmark of the government.  Is this is yet another indication of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] 120,000?  I guess his &#8220;empathy&#8221; will take a while to manifest itself.  We know that tokenism is a hallmark of the government.  Is this is yet another indication of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: 123</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-19377</link>
		<dc:creator>123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am glad that PAP have finally decided to take the small step out
but I feel that it&#039;s still not enuff.
There are so much more which can be done.

Such as the Section 377A of the penal code, I do not agree with PAP stand.
And it&#039;s useless to protest because once they made up their mind, no 1 can change it.

but at least they have try, I can only hope that a more flexible system could be setup to truly reflect on what we as citizens want from the govt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am glad that PAP have finally decided to take the small step out<br />
but I feel that it&#8217;s still not enuff.<br />
There are so much more which can be done.</p>
<p>Such as the Section 377A of the penal code, I do not agree with PAP stand.<br />
And it&#8217;s useless to protest because once they made up their mind, no 1 can change it.</p>
<p>but at least they have try, I can only hope that a more flexible system could be setup to truly reflect on what we as citizens want from the govt.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert HO</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert HO</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:26:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RH:
1.  I have long noticed that LIE KY, who is still very much in charge of everything [can he ever let go? including deciding whether HDB flats should have squatting or sitting toilet bowls} deliberately keeps all the laws no matter how stupid or obsolete SO AS TO CRIMINALISE EVERYBODY, REPEAT, EVERYBODY, SO THAT HE HAS A HOLD OVER ANYONE WHO DISPLEASES HIM.

2.  By making everyone a criminal, the moment that person displeases him with a blog posting or a comment, not to mention actual activist demo against his policies, LIE KY HAS THE UPPER HAND, WITH THE ADVANTAGE OF FILING ACTUAL CRIMINAL CHARGES.  Even if he does not file charges, this still gives him the luxury of doing so anytime later, at will.  Good for blackmail and intimidation.

3.  When you realise that LIE KY&#039;s entire lawmaking and law enforcing is done PURELY TO ENTRENCH HIS POWER AND TO GIVE HIM EVERY POLITICAL ADVANTAGE, then you realise the real reasons behind all his actions and policies.  Then you realise that the above discussion is way way off.  It is not at all about liberalisation or about giving way a little in fact if not in name.  It is all about CRIMINALISING EVERYBODY TO GIVE LIE KY THE ADVANTAGE AND THE LUXURY TO PRESS CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR PERSONAL OR POLITICAL REASONS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RH:<br />
1.  I have long noticed that LIE KY, who is still very much in charge of everything [can he ever let go? including deciding whether HDB flats should have squatting or sitting toilet bowls} deliberately keeps all the laws no matter how stupid or obsolete SO AS TO CRIMINALISE EVERYBODY, REPEAT, EVERYBODY, SO THAT HE HAS A HOLD OVER ANYONE WHO DISPLEASES HIM.</p>
<p>2.  By making everyone a criminal, the moment that person displeases him with a blog posting or a comment, not to mention actual activist demo against his policies, LIE KY HAS THE UPPER HAND, WITH THE ADVANTAGE OF FILING ACTUAL CRIMINAL CHARGES.  Even if he does not file charges, this still gives him the luxury of doing so anytime later, at will.  Good for blackmail and intimidation.</p>
<p>3.  When you realise that LIE KY&#8217;s entire lawmaking and law enforcing is done PURELY TO ENTRENCH HIS POWER AND TO GIVE HIM EVERY POLITICAL ADVANTAGE, then you realise the real reasons behind all his actions and policies.  Then you realise that the above discussion is way way off.  It is not at all about liberalisation or about giving way a little in fact if not in name.  It is all about CRIMINALISING EVERYBODY TO GIVE LIE KY THE ADVANTAGE AND THE LUXURY TO PRESS CRIMINAL CHARGES FOR PERSONAL OR POLITICAL REASONS.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I dare the govt to legalise demonstrations outside Istana.&quot;

I looking forward to that day people protesting while prataman making free prata for every vistor there. It is a cheap job for prataman that takes $4 millions per year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I dare the govt to legalise demonstrations outside Istana.&#8221;</p>
<p>I looking forward to that day people protesting while prataman making free prata for every vistor there. It is a cheap job for prataman that takes $4 millions per year.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18924</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 14:38:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best way to push the govt to liberalize is to make good use of the freedoms we already have. It&#039;s time we stop debating about freedom as if it&#039;s an end in itself. Freedom is but a tool to push for a more democratic, a more just and a more equal society.

I think Singaporeans have made good use of the freedoms we had on the Internet. We need to spread that to real life now. Based on statements from the government, I think the liberalization of rules at Speakers&#039; Corner is more than sufficient for Singaporeans at this point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best way to push the govt to liberalize is to make good use of the freedoms we already have. It&#8217;s time we stop debating about freedom as if it&#8217;s an end in itself. Freedom is but a tool to push for a more democratic, a more just and a more equal society.</p>
<p>I think Singaporeans have made good use of the freedoms we had on the Internet. We need to spread that to real life now. Based on statements from the government, I think the liberalization of rules at Speakers&#8217; Corner is more than sufficient for Singaporeans at this point.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:40:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a good start, albeit a baby step forward. I believe that as we engage each other more in online forums and blogs, they will have to return us what is due - the rights that are in the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s a good start, albeit a baby step forward. I believe that as we engage each other more in online forums and blogs, they will have to return us what is due &#8211; the rights that are in the Constitution.</p>
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		<title>By: free</title>
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		<dc:creator>free</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:04:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>once choose opposition party everything is free of charge and free</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>once choose opposition party everything is free of charge and free</p>
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		<title>By: JACKSON</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18905</link>
		<dc:creator>JACKSON</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:03:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I dare the govt to legalise demonstrations outside Istana.

Both the police n Nparks are controlled by govt, so in the end it&#039;s still the same.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I dare the govt to legalise demonstrations outside Istana.</p>
<p>Both the police n Nparks are controlled by govt, so in the end it&#8217;s still the same.</p>
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		<title>By: lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:03:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not picking on anyone. Just merely stating facts. Remember Chee going on about the indonesian loans? lol.

Since everyone is hiding behind a pseudonym, &quot;the SS&quot; could be Chee for all I know.

As to the Ibahri report, that was an LKY mistake (rare but acknowledged) but I&#039;m pretty sure LKY wouldn&#039;t be posting on this site. I think it&#039;d be pretty dumb for me to assume &quot;the SS&quot; is LKY but you have the right to think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not picking on anyone. Just merely stating facts. Remember Chee going on about the indonesian loans? lol.</p>
<p>Since everyone is hiding behind a pseudonym, &#8220;the SS&#8221; could be Chee for all I know.</p>
<p>As to the Ibahri report, that was an LKY mistake (rare but acknowledged) but I&#8217;m pretty sure LKY wouldn&#8217;t be posting on this site. I think it&#8217;d be pretty dumb for me to assume &#8220;the SS&#8221; is LKY but you have the right to think so.</p>
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		<title>By: berak bagus</title>
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		<dc:creator>berak bagus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ lim,

you picked on chee,  how about your take on the IBAHRI report that cast doubts on the judiciary and LKY ?  This is a far more serious matter. right ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ lim,</p>
<p>you picked on chee,  how about your take on the IBAHRI report that cast doubts on the judiciary and LKY ?  This is a far more serious matter. right ?</p>
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		<title>By: lim</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18873</link>
		<dc:creator>lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:36:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Before saying someone is wrong, it might be a good idea to check facts. Don&#039;t be like Chee. Shoot first, shoot wrongly. Too late to take back bullets.

Section 14 of the constitution relating to assembly has never been amended.

You may want a playground but its not been built....

Of course, you could be Chee then in which case, the accuracy (or lack of) is understandable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Before saying someone is wrong, it might be a good idea to check facts. Don&#8217;t be like Chee. Shoot first, shoot wrongly. Too late to take back bullets.</p>
<p>Section 14 of the constitution relating to assembly has never been amended.</p>
<p>You may want a playground but its not been built&#8230;.</p>
<p>Of course, you could be Chee then in which case, the accuracy (or lack of) is understandable.</p>
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		<title>By: The SS</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18855</link>
		<dc:creator>The SS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lim; 1:04pm

The whole yard  and more , in fact the whole playground, belonged to all citizens under the Constitution (original) until later sub-sections curtailed our rights? I am no legal expert but from what I gather this seems to be the interpretation.
If true, it&#039;s like a father taking all your toys away then give you an arm and a leg back...  you go play with that yourselves.. get the picture?

Your starting point is wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lim; 1:04pm</p>
<p>The whole yard  and more , in fact the whole playground, belonged to all citizens under the Constitution (original) until later sub-sections curtailed our rights? I am no legal expert but from what I gather this seems to be the interpretation.<br />
If true, it&#8217;s like a father taking all your toys away then give you an arm and a leg back&#8230;  you go play with that yourselves.. get the picture?</p>
<p>Your starting point is wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: lim</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18849</link>
		<dc:creator>lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:04:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Get an inch, want a yard. That&#039;s life.

When we bring up children, we encourage the kids whenever they do something right even when its a small step or a garbled message. Surely, we don&#039;t expect 6 month babies to start walking immediately.

Political openess in Singapore is in its infancy. We may disagree on the pace but anything in the right direction should be encouraged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Get an inch, want a yard. That&#8217;s life.</p>
<p>When we bring up children, we encourage the kids whenever they do something right even when its a small step or a garbled message. Surely, we don&#8217;t expect 6 month babies to start walking immediately.</p>
<p>Political openess in Singapore is in its infancy. We may disagree on the pace but anything in the right direction should be encouraged.</p>
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		<title>By: Tew N S</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18831</link>
		<dc:creator>Tew N S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 03:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Protest in Hong Lim Park is as good as going to Choa Chu Kang cemetery to protest. This govt treats us like an idiot.!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Protest in Hong Lim Park is as good as going to Choa Chu Kang cemetery to protest. This govt treats us like an idiot.!!!</p>
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		<title>By: idontthinkappreciated</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18819</link>
		<dc:creator>idontthinkappreciated</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:29:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do not think his effort is ever appreciated by the majority whose decisions gave us the status quo. whether this is good or not, i do not feel i am not at liberty to comment.  
i find it interesting that the article compares spore to middle east ....hmmmm...first time i hear such comparisons. Refreshing! 

well done.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not think his effort is ever appreciated by the majority whose decisions gave us the status quo. whether this is good or not, i do not feel i am not at liberty to comment.<br />
i find it interesting that the article compares spore to middle east &#8230;.hmmmm&#8230;first time i hear such comparisons. Refreshing! </p>
<p>well done.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:19:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Dr Chee not face JOker Lee and senile Old man in court, will these clowns ever open up and allow protest  after been exposed by  International Bar Association&#039;s Human Rights Institute ? Dr Chee and his accomplices have sacrifice their jail terms to exert international pressure on the coffers, and liberalise Singapore in a radical way. 

Look like the clowns regret not asking for summary judgement. Who will have thought the court hearing audio is been recorded and leaked out ? Look like gahmen never learn Murphy&#039;s law. Anything that will go wrong can go wrong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has Dr Chee not face JOker Lee and senile Old man in court, will these clowns ever open up and allow protest  after been exposed by  International Bar Association&#8217;s Human Rights Institute ? Dr Chee and his accomplices have sacrifice their jail terms to exert international pressure on the coffers, and liberalise Singapore in a radical way. </p>
<p>Look like the clowns regret not asking for summary judgement. Who will have thought the court hearing audio is been recorded and leaked out ? Look like gahmen never learn Murphy&#8217;s law. Anything that will go wrong can go wrong.</p>
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		<title>By: Sing Lang</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/08/of-concessions-and-tokenism-worrying-trends-in-policy-making/comment-page-1/#comment-18812</link>
		<dc:creator>Sing Lang</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:59:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The fact that many people, Singaporeans especially, think that efforts of Chee SJ and his co-protesters are stupid should stand up and take notice. If you do not rock the boat, will the PAP govt want to give in?

Kudoes to all these brave people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The fact that many people, Singaporeans especially, think that efforts of Chee SJ and his co-protesters are stupid should stand up and take notice. If you do not rock the boat, will the PAP govt want to give in?</p>
<p>Kudoes to all these brave people.</p>
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		<title>By: Overseas Singaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overseas Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 01:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Precisely it is because Singaporeans have waited 43 years for the government to change, that has caused the pace of change to be glacial to be point of non-existent. I believe that it is precisely because a small group of activist Singaporeans have in the recent years started pushing the boundaries, along with the attendant bad press that the government has got when they try their sledgehammer tactics, that has caused the pace of change to pick up recently.

Yawning Bread has reported that some of the Burmese dissidents have gotten their visas renewed in the past 2 days, after the press conferences/online coverage about their plight. One can only wonder if this would have happened had they “sat back and waited” to see what happens after appealing through official channels and not publicised the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Precisely it is because Singaporeans have waited 43 years for the government to change, that has caused the pace of change to be glacial to be point of non-existent. I believe that it is precisely because a small group of activist Singaporeans have in the recent years started pushing the boundaries, along with the attendant bad press that the government has got when they try their sledgehammer tactics, that has caused the pace of change to pick up recently.</p>
<p>Yawning Bread has reported that some of the Burmese dissidents have gotten their visas renewed in the past 2 days, after the press conferences/online coverage about their plight. One can only wonder if this would have happened had they “sat back and waited” to see what happens after appealing through official channels and not publicised the issue.</p>
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		<title>By: chenel</title>
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		<dc:creator>chenel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 00:57:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have waited for 43 years, why is there the need to rush things. why not take a back seat and see how things goes. Every new introduction or amendments need time to be adjusted. Let&#039;s not jump into conclusion assuming that things will never change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have waited for 43 years, why is there the need to rush things. why not take a back seat and see how things goes. Every new introduction or amendments need time to be adjusted. Let&#8217;s not jump into conclusion assuming that things will never change.</p>
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		<title>By: Overseas Singaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>Overseas Singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Aug 2008 23:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well said, this World Class/Division 1/best-thing-since-sliced-bread government has shown time and again the will not change until their laws/stance has been shown repeatedly to be dumb, out of touch and ridiculous. Well done to all involved for their efforts.

Working “within the system” for change will bring you nowhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well said, this World Class/Division 1/best-thing-since-sliced-bread government has shown time and again the will not change until their laws/stance has been shown repeatedly to be dumb, out of touch and ridiculous. Well done to all involved for their efforts.</p>
<p>Working “within the system” for change will bring you nowhere.</p>
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