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		<title>By: Real, hard-working blogging communities</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-22040</link>
		<dc:creator>Real, hard-working blogging communities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 20 Sep 2008 09:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] come together collectively to achieve outcomes that would have been so difficult for an individual. Another group of Singaporean bloggers have also contributed to the debate. You can read all about the work of the media socialists here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] come together collectively to achieve outcomes that would have been so difficult for an individual. Another group of Singaporean bloggers have also contributed to the debate. You can read all about the work of the media socialists here. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Social media &#8220;activists&#8221; response to AIMS - frequently asked questions &#171; μεταcole</title>
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		<dc:creator>Social media &#8220;activists&#8221; response to AIMS - frequently asked questions &#171; μεταcole</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 15:08:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Are you the Bloggers 13? [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Are you the Bloggers 13? [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Beyond the Govt / Citizen Dichotomy: Our Response to AIMS at theory.isthereason</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-21578</link>
		<dc:creator>Beyond the Govt / Citizen Dichotomy: Our Response to AIMS at theory.isthereason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 06:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Takeaway At this point, the Bloggers 13 have done it, we have done it, and now you too should have your say on how you want our government [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Takeaway At this point, the Bloggers 13 have done it, we have done it, and now you too should have your say on how you want our government [...]</p>
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		<title>By: singaporedaddy</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20417</link>
		<dc:creator>singaporedaddy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 06:46:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I am sure if there ever was, it would have been at least aggregated, linked or highlighted by the web master and his team here to give the discussion added dimension and accuracy. &quot;

Yes, we agree with you. It must have just been an oversight. 

http://dotseng.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/find-out-whether-aims-is-screwing-the-right-hole/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I am sure if there ever was, it would have been at least aggregated, linked or highlighted by the web master and his team here to give the discussion added dimension and accuracy. &#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, we agree with you. It must have just been an oversight. </p>
<p><a href="http://dotseng.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/find-out-whether-aims-is-screwing-the-right-hole/" rel="nofollow">http://dotseng.wordpress.com/2008/08/20/find-out-whether-aims-is-screwing-the-right-hole/</a></p>
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		<title>By: knew Media</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20391</link>
		<dc:creator>knew Media</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Sep 2008 03:35:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The FEER seems to write things different than local press. Style wise lah.
I wonder why? 
Refreshingly interesing article! FEER is read internationally.

I made an analysis of our media people like Flying duetchman and the Chief Editor.

I cannot say how I feel about them here. I am shy. 

The &#039;New Media&#039;  - created and set by who ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The FEER seems to write things different than local press. Style wise lah.<br />
I wonder why?<br />
Refreshingly interesing article! FEER is read internationally.</p>
<p>I made an analysis of our media people like Flying duetchman and the Chief Editor.</p>
<p>I cannot say how I feel about them here. I am shy. </p>
<p>The &#8216;New Media&#8217;  &#8211; created and set by who ?</p>
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		<title>By: whatif u were me</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20355</link>
		<dc:creator>whatif u were me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 16:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what if  u were  me ?what will do if u was me i was like u so please join the opposition party thanks thank alot please???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what if  u were  me ?what will do if u was me i was like u so please join the opposition party thanks thank alot please???</p>
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		<title>By: Zheng Xi</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20253</link>
		<dc:creator>Zheng Xi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 13:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Expat Lecturer,

Thanks for your feedback on the proposal and our joint statement. Yes, we previously raised community moderation in our last seminar as well as our deregulation paper. However, in light of PM&#039;s NDay rally speech on political changes, as well as the attention on internet political deregulation, we felt it best to highlight our disagreements on how the law in this area should be amended.

Rest assured that we will continue to make the case for community moderation and keep discussion moving forward.

Please let us know if you&#039;re interested in helping us with research in this area. 

Zheng Xi</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Expat Lecturer,</p>
<p>Thanks for your feedback on the proposal and our joint statement. Yes, we previously raised community moderation in our last seminar as well as our deregulation paper. However, in light of PM&#8217;s NDay rally speech on political changes, as well as the attention on internet political deregulation, we felt it best to highlight our disagreements on how the law in this area should be amended.</p>
<p>Rest assured that we will continue to make the case for community moderation and keep discussion moving forward.</p>
<p>Please let us know if you&#8217;re interested in helping us with research in this area. </p>
<p>Zheng Xi</p>
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		<title>By: killer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20242</link>
		<dc:creator>killer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 10:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FEAR is the head of the nail. What LKY and PAP did is merely increasing the quantum of FEAR to paralyse whatever opposition there are be they a whisper, a nod, a demo etc....... what Dr Chee was trying to say to Singaporean is merely that FEAR has been used unreservedly by the PAP in quieting down whatever so called dissent, rebel, etc....a vocabulary for which the PAP machinery is ever good at it. What bullying etc....are just means of putting FEAR in the citizenry in general sort of innoculating whoever whatever voters from voting for any form of opposition. Yes it is the great tumbling block and pretty lethal as the effect is here to stay and for many generation to come to be molded so that a DYNASTY can be deeply entrenched in the Singapore society for who knows SOMEONE might be thinking of becoming the SHIH HUANG TI of SIngapore History!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FEAR is the head of the nail. What LKY and PAP did is merely increasing the quantum of FEAR to paralyse whatever opposition there are be they a whisper, a nod, a demo etc&#8230;&#8230;. what Dr Chee was trying to say to Singaporean is merely that FEAR has been used unreservedly by the PAP in quieting down whatever so called dissent, rebel, etc&#8230;.a vocabulary for which the PAP machinery is ever good at it. What bullying etc&#8230;.are just means of putting FEAR in the citizenry in general sort of innoculating whoever whatever voters from voting for any form of opposition. Yes it is the great tumbling block and pretty lethal as the effect is here to stay and for many generation to come to be molded so that a DYNASTY can be deeply entrenched in the Singapore society for who knows SOMEONE might be thinking of becoming the SHIH HUANG TI of SIngapore History!</p>
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		<title>By: googoo_chua_sai</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20228</link>
		<dc:creator>googoo_chua_sai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 08:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>3) James Tan on September 4th, 2008 2.29 pm 

I am afraid, maybe FTs or PRs or new citizens may be more interested with current, social and politico affairs.

no wonder they loose jobs to them.

many who migrated are the capable and able. It takes more than certificate to land a citizenship in australia or the common target places to migrate to. You need to have the mentality  or money and capability and skills wanted there.

unfortunately, many who wants to migrate could not afford it based on mentality and capability and market value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>3) James Tan on September 4th, 2008 2.29 pm </p>
<p>I am afraid, maybe FTs or PRs or new citizens may be more interested with current, social and politico affairs.</p>
<p>no wonder they loose jobs to them.</p>
<p>many who migrated are the capable and able. It takes more than certificate to land a citizenship in australia or the common target places to migrate to. You need to have the mentality  or money and capability and skills wanted there.</p>
<p>unfortunately, many who wants to migrate could not afford it based on mentality and capability and market value.</p>
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		<title>By: James Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20213</link>
		<dc:creator>James Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Singapore blogosphere is by and large silent and apathetic because many do not even have an opinion. Furthermore, many are afraid of expressing their opinions even if they have them. It will take time to wean them off the culture of FEAR that is so prevalent in the society today. To wean off this FEAR, the process has to start from the top leadership in Singapore. Otherwise, Kiasu and Kiasi will reign supreme and we will be back to square one again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Singapore blogosphere is by and large silent and apathetic because many do not even have an opinion. Furthermore, many are afraid of expressing their opinions even if they have them. It will take time to wean them off the culture of FEAR that is so prevalent in the society today. To wean off this FEAR, the process has to start from the top leadership in Singapore. Otherwise, Kiasu and Kiasi will reign supreme and we will be back to square one again.</p>
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		<title>By: redbean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20212</link>
		<dc:creator>redbean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 06:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i do not want to be regulated and i do not want to be a party to set rules to regulate myself. there are already enough rules and regulations to regulate good behaviour and an orderly society.

every blogger should be responsible for his own postings and anyone wronged by the blogger can take it up with him. if the blogger commits a crime, let the law go after him.

political postings is a grey area which is neither right or wrong unless they are offensive or scandalous. othewise, hmmm, why the need to ban this and that? each party should have the right to say their peace without violating the law. and we have such a thing call the right of reply or the right to sing your own song.

i post at www.redbeanforum.com and www.mysingaporenews.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i do not want to be regulated and i do not want to be a party to set rules to regulate myself. there are already enough rules and regulations to regulate good behaviour and an orderly society.</p>
<p>every blogger should be responsible for his own postings and anyone wronged by the blogger can take it up with him. if the blogger commits a crime, let the law go after him.</p>
<p>political postings is a grey area which is neither right or wrong unless they are offensive or scandalous. othewise, hmmm, why the need to ban this and that? each party should have the right to say their peace without violating the law. and we have such a thing call the right of reply or the right to sing your own song.</p>
<p>i post at <a href="http://www.redbeanforum.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.redbeanforum.com</a> and <a href="http://www.mysingaporenews.blogspot.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.mysingaporenews.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: expat lecturer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/bloggers-13-statement-for-the-media/comment-page-1/#comment-20180</link>
		<dc:creator>expat lecturer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 02:09:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good day!

Just wondering what happened to the main thrust of proposing a community moderator?

Correct me if I am wrong. However, I believe it was once called the IC3 comprising part of the bloggers, readers and media experts? 

Wasn&#039;t that the main thrust of the entire &quot;deregulate the net&quot; initiative by the blogger 13? 

I went to the URA where you guys staged a talk and I believe 90% of the discussion involved community moderation.

I have also read many of the articles here and in Bernard Leong&#039;s site and again that appears to be the main topic in discussion.

I believe the issue of films may have only been an ancillary issue.

So its very surprising to see now that this subject which once formed the main argument should now be in the back burner. 

Frankly speaking I would have preferred to see a more robust debate concerning why community moderation is such a lousy idea. 

I admit whatever I have read concerning this subject is only from journalism.sg and the online citizen here, but based on my reading of the ground. I believe there is not even a single article, essay, comment that is against the whole idea of community moderation.  

I am sure if there ever was, it would have been at least aggregated, linked or highlighted by the web master and his team here to give the discussion added dimension and accuracy. 

So as you can see, I remain somewhat perplex why the whole idea was really given the full benefit of the light of day? I also cannot explain why the whole of blogosphere seems to be so quiet over what I consider to be a very important subject.

If this was Australia. I am sure everyone would have taken an active role in ensuring their views are well represented.

Good day

Very curious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good day!</p>
<p>Just wondering what happened to the main thrust of proposing a community moderator?</p>
<p>Correct me if I am wrong. However, I believe it was once called the IC3 comprising part of the bloggers, readers and media experts? </p>
<p>Wasn&#8217;t that the main thrust of the entire &#8220;deregulate the net&#8221; initiative by the blogger 13? </p>
<p>I went to the URA where you guys staged a talk and I believe 90% of the discussion involved community moderation.</p>
<p>I have also read many of the articles here and in Bernard Leong&#8217;s site and again that appears to be the main topic in discussion.</p>
<p>I believe the issue of films may have only been an ancillary issue.</p>
<p>So its very surprising to see now that this subject which once formed the main argument should now be in the back burner. </p>
<p>Frankly speaking I would have preferred to see a more robust debate concerning why community moderation is such a lousy idea. </p>
<p>I admit whatever I have read concerning this subject is only from journalism.sg and the online citizen here, but based on my reading of the ground. I believe there is not even a single article, essay, comment that is against the whole idea of community moderation.  </p>
<p>I am sure if there ever was, it would have been at least aggregated, linked or highlighted by the web master and his team here to give the discussion added dimension and accuracy. </p>
<p>So as you can see, I remain somewhat perplex why the whole idea was really given the full benefit of the light of day? I also cannot explain why the whole of blogosphere seems to be so quiet over what I consider to be a very important subject.</p>
<p>If this was Australia. I am sure everyone would have taken an active role in ensuring their views are well represented.</p>
<p>Good day</p>
<p>Very curious.</p>
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