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		<title>By: MMSMPMMC</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21141</link>
		<dc:creator>MMSMPMMC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 23:42:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A gahmen  body who twist their words around even for a simple weekend event will only show the tip of the iceberg of what they are really doing at the back on bigger policies.

such a simple weekend outing event should be allowed to any organization may it be political or non-political when the intent is good and not to create any rally or riot.

Make it simple and Singaporean will love this country more, and your party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A gahmen  body who twist their words around even for a simple weekend event will only show the tip of the iceberg of what they are really doing at the back on bigger policies.</p>
<p>such a simple weekend outing event should be allowed to any organization may it be political or non-political when the intent is good and not to create any rally or riot.</p>
<p>Make it simple and Singaporean will love this country more, and your party.</p>
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		<title>By: Dead Poet</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21104</link>
		<dc:creator>Dead Poet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 12:44:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we look at the track record of what the opposition has been crucified for, the present lot is getting away with murder by simply saying &quot;lets move on&quot; its a honest mistake. It just goes to prove that double standards does not only apply to cycling events. We have seen it repeatly and I believe people no longer have the respect for their leaders but are simply supporting them in fear. They do not want their wifes and sisters to become maids in another country when the whole world is waiting to do us in. We have been warned and instilled with fear that the whole world is sadomasochistic in nature and they enjoy nothing more than doing small nations in. The worst fear is that the so called non political charities will stop running kindergardens, grassroots organisations will stop running programmes in their counstituency and worst of all they estate will become a slum or become townships for foriegn workers. Until the fear is dispelled nothing is going to change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we look at the track record of what the opposition has been crucified for, the present lot is getting away with murder by simply saying &#8220;lets move on&#8221; its a honest mistake. It just goes to prove that double standards does not only apply to cycling events. We have seen it repeatly and I believe people no longer have the respect for their leaders but are simply supporting them in fear. They do not want their wifes and sisters to become maids in another country when the whole world is waiting to do us in. We have been warned and instilled with fear that the whole world is sadomasochistic in nature and they enjoy nothing more than doing small nations in. The worst fear is that the so called non political charities will stop running kindergardens, grassroots organisations will stop running programmes in their counstituency and worst of all they estate will become a slum or become townships for foriegn workers. Until the fear is dispelled nothing is going to change.</p>
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		<title>By: How_the_World_View_our_1st_worldliness?</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21082</link>
		<dc:creator>How_the_World_View_our_1st_worldliness?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:35:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IBA has provided their comments in super  world class level legally-bombastic document.

If someone is alleged to DO US IN ?
What is that meaning?

If so serious , was anything done in response?

If not why?

for this incident, and many others, I wonder how does the INTERNATIONAL community view the handling of this cycling thing?

They must think that we are so 1st world right?

I think the local community need is mental shift and learn and be exposed to more info and events that will mature them in the aspect of social issue awareness, environmental awareness and political awareness.

Mentality can change . The mind can be cultivated. 
Internet is the only tool we can use effectively for now.
Of course we have been using the old economy news paper for a long long long time liao. I prefer internet blogs than old economy news paper that is purely unbiased and non-partisan and written without propaganda ( correct me if I wrong ) and written and edited by people who serve your interest among others.

So bombastic peoples. No wonder I keep reading good news, among others.

no wonder ex-news chief is in AIMS wor. So modern and internet savvy wor.
Can I say he is totally non-partisan? 
I think so lah. no question about that man of integrity wor.

regards
Ho  Pinkie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IBA has provided their comments in super  world class level legally-bombastic document.</p>
<p>If someone is alleged to DO US IN ?<br />
What is that meaning?</p>
<p>If so serious , was anything done in response?</p>
<p>If not why?</p>
<p>for this incident, and many others, I wonder how does the INTERNATIONAL community view the handling of this cycling thing?</p>
<p>They must think that we are so 1st world right?</p>
<p>I think the local community need is mental shift and learn and be exposed to more info and events that will mature them in the aspect of social issue awareness, environmental awareness and political awareness.</p>
<p>Mentality can change . The mind can be cultivated.<br />
Internet is the only tool we can use effectively for now.<br />
Of course we have been using the old economy news paper for a long long long time liao. I prefer internet blogs than old economy news paper that is purely unbiased and non-partisan and written without propaganda ( correct me if I wrong ) and written and edited by people who serve your interest among others.</p>
<p>So bombastic peoples. No wonder I keep reading good news, among others.</p>
<p>no wonder ex-news chief is in AIMS wor. So modern and internet savvy wor.<br />
Can I say he is totally non-partisan?<br />
I think so lah. no question about that man of integrity wor.</p>
<p>regards<br />
Ho  Pinkie</p>
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		<title>By: sk</title>
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		<dc:creator>sk</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 09:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“You may be well-behaving, but there may be other people whom you come across when you cycle who may stop you, may want to debate with you and that may attract a crowd, and therefore will result in problems the police want to avoid.”

That reasoning is a slippery slope, slightly exaggerated, and can be applied to many situations and circumstances. An individual could be speaking out in a well-behaved manner at the Speaker&#039;s Corner and it may similarly attract a crowd, people may come to debate with you, and problems could result as well. While plausible, such situations will inevitably occur in every facet of society because, hey, we are only human and humans will have disagreements whether you like it or not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“You may be well-behaving, but there may be other people whom you come across when you cycle who may stop you, may want to debate with you and that may attract a crowd, and therefore will result in problems the police want to avoid.”</p>
<p>That reasoning is a slippery slope, slightly exaggerated, and can be applied to many situations and circumstances. An individual could be speaking out in a well-behaved manner at the Speaker&#8217;s Corner and it may similarly attract a crowd, people may come to debate with you, and problems could result as well. While plausible, such situations will inevitably occur in every facet of society because, hey, we are only human and humans will have disagreements whether you like it or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the White Elephant Association. It is an independent charity that is legally distinct from the PAP. Click the link on my name on this post to find out more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the White Elephant Association. It is an independent charity that is legally distinct from the PAP. Click the link on my name on this post to find out more.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:37:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the White Elephant Association. It is an independent charity distinct from the PAP in the legal sense.

http://wcentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/white-elephant-being-towed-away.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the White Elephant Association. It is an independent charity distinct from the PAP in the legal sense.</p>
<p><a href="http://wcentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/white-elephant-being-towed-away.html" rel="nofollow">http://wcentral.blogspot.com/2008/09/white-elephant-being-towed-away.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21061</link>
		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 06:16:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>kaffein(#34):

I don&#039;t support PAP too. I had mentioned in post 18 that &quot;despite PAP’s past achievements, PAP today is a white elephant which is disconnected from the electorate.&quot; Their practises appals me as much as they probably do to you. Why is it illegal for citizens to put up political party&#039;s banner even if there is no party event? Why can&#039;t people show their support for their political party on an ad-hoc basis?

FYI, if a UK charity behaves similarly to the PAP Community Foundation, it faces closure by the Charity Commission. The Commission reports directly to the UK Parliament, not the Cabinet and in UK&#039;s case, the Parliament is not overwhelmingly dominated by a single party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>kaffein(#34):</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t support PAP too. I had mentioned in post 18 that &#8220;despite PAP’s past achievements, PAP today is a white elephant which is disconnected from the electorate.&#8221; Their practises appals me as much as they probably do to you. Why is it illegal for citizens to put up political party&#8217;s banner even if there is no party event? Why can&#8217;t people show their support for their political party on an ad-hoc basis?</p>
<p>FYI, if a UK charity behaves similarly to the PAP Community Foundation, it faces closure by the Charity Commission. The Commission reports directly to the UK Parliament, not the Cabinet and in UK&#8217;s case, the Parliament is not overwhelmingly dominated by a single party.</p>
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		<title>By: 123</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21054</link>
		<dc:creator>123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 04:59:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>little have change on the way things are handled
unfairness
organised by charity organisation? PCF?
I bet even WP wants to register a charity organisation, say WPF, I think it will be difficult.

I do not see it as who holds the event but the content of the event.

Even if it organised by a charity organisation, the same problem of 

&quot;You may be well-behaving, but there may be other people whom you come across when you cycle who may stop you, may want to debate with you and that may attract a crowd, and therefore will result in problems the police want to avoid.” 

will oso occur. Not to say about everyday the regular cyclist who goes ECP frequently.

It is always a matter of unfairness which shows not everyone in singapore will be treated equally as said in our daily pledge during our school kid&#039;s national anthem singing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>little have change on the way things are handled<br />
unfairness<br />
organised by charity organisation? PCF?<br />
I bet even WP wants to register a charity organisation, say WPF, I think it will be difficult.</p>
<p>I do not see it as who holds the event but the content of the event.</p>
<p>Even if it organised by a charity organisation, the same problem of </p>
<p>&#8220;You may be well-behaving, but there may be other people whom you come across when you cycle who may stop you, may want to debate with you and that may attract a crowd, and therefore will result in problems the police want to avoid.” </p>
<p>will oso occur. Not to say about everyday the regular cyclist who goes ECP frequently.</p>
<p>It is always a matter of unfairness which shows not everyone in singapore will be treated equally as said in our daily pledge during our school kid&#8217;s national anthem singing.</p>
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		<title>By: Santa</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21028</link>
		<dc:creator>Santa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, PCF is a charity, the PA is a grassroots organisation, the NTUC is a workers union and I&#039;m Santa. Period</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, PCF is a charity, the PA is a grassroots organisation, the NTUC is a workers union and I&#8217;m Santa. Period</p>
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		<title>By: Romy Lam</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21018</link>
		<dc:creator>Romy Lam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:48:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember many years ago when Nee Soon Central and Bukit Gombak were SDP held ?  Their National Day banners were told to put down by the police because they contain (SDP) political party&#039;s logos ?  Whereas in PAP held constituencies they were ok (up to this day) because they carried the PCF&#039;s logo ?  Brilliant, isn&#039;t it ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember many years ago when Nee Soon Central and Bukit Gombak were SDP held ?  Their National Day banners were told to put down by the police because they contain (SDP) political party&#8217;s logos ?  Whereas in PAP held constituencies they were ok (up to this day) because they carried the PCF&#8217;s logo ?  Brilliant, isn&#8217;t it ?</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21012</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:44:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The thing about Law is that one is innocent as long as the evidence cannot be found or presented. Get it ?&quot;
It always good to be corrupted at gov&#039;s level. Why ? Just says it is confidential information to buy time, and mean time burn all documents and evidence.

In a corporate companies, they are not so lucky with special unit guarding the companies to make sure no hanky panky.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The thing about Law is that one is innocent as long as the evidence cannot be found or presented. Get it ?&#8221;<br />
It always good to be corrupted at gov&#8217;s level. Why ? Just says it is confidential information to buy time, and mean time burn all documents and evidence.</p>
<p>In a corporate companies, they are not so lucky with special unit guarding the companies to make sure no hanky panky.</p>
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		<title>By: Mahbro Tan Koo Koo of LP</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21008</link>
		<dc:creator>Mahbro Tan Koo Koo of LP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 00:26:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>35) Ho Pinkie on September 11th, 2008 7.53 am 26) ronin on September 10th, 2008 9.31 pm

Fortunately for singaporeans, we conform no have TW kind of problem wan.

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The thing about Law is that one is innocent as long as the evidence cannot be found or presented. Get it ?

Who knows? Maybe Bian did it for ultruistic reasons? Like to for NATIONAL SECURITY reasons?  Maybe he can say all transactions done cannot be revealed due to NATIONAL SECURITY ?  Is that not the best valid reason?
If he reveals this accounting info har, maybe he can say nation at risk ah? maybe he can say enemy can enticipate the county moves ah and then they econ chialat chialat ah ? how? like this people scared scared ah? Bush re-elected by shock and awe ah. U no no ah? Stedi bombi bi ah?

Like this more world peace lor.

Some people actually believe you know? I have proof that many believe.
They let them auto-pilot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>35) Ho Pinkie on September 11th, 2008 7.53 am 26) ronin on September 10th, 2008 9.31 pm</p>
<p>Fortunately for singaporeans, we conform no have TW kind of problem wan.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>The thing about Law is that one is innocent as long as the evidence cannot be found or presented. Get it ?</p>
<p>Who knows? Maybe Bian did it for ultruistic reasons? Like to for NATIONAL SECURITY reasons?  Maybe he can say all transactions done cannot be revealed due to NATIONAL SECURITY ?  Is that not the best valid reason?<br />
If he reveals this accounting info har, maybe he can say nation at risk ah? maybe he can say enemy can enticipate the county moves ah and then they econ chialat chialat ah ? how? like this people scared scared ah? Bush re-elected by shock and awe ah. U no no ah? Stedi bombi bi ah?</p>
<p>Like this more world peace lor.</p>
<p>Some people actually believe you know? I have proof that many believe.<br />
They let them auto-pilot.</p>
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		<title>By: Ho Pinkie</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21004</link>
		<dc:creator>Ho Pinkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26) ronin on September 10th, 2008 9.31 pm

Fortunately for singaporeans, we conform no have TW kind of problem wan.
Ah Bian alleged to misuse country money for personal money. Alas, they cannot find enough evidence yet lor. So ah bian still freeman lor. But this allegation brought attention to the age old believe that where ABSOLUTE POWER 

Ah Bian should be very honest and integrity wan. I think if pay and pay ah bian 4 million a year, he also may not get alleged corruption. High pay gets high integrity wan. The more money you have the more less money you wan wan.

Like this the whole world believe lor. Human have evolved lor. Not like monkey liao ler.

Yibah yibah untooneh neh! u no the believing of the me meh? ha ha ha</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26) ronin on September 10th, 2008 9.31 pm</p>
<p>Fortunately for singaporeans, we conform no have TW kind of problem wan.<br />
Ah Bian alleged to misuse country money for personal money. Alas, they cannot find enough evidence yet lor. So ah bian still freeman lor. But this allegation brought attention to the age old believe that where ABSOLUTE POWER </p>
<p>Ah Bian should be very honest and integrity wan. I think if pay and pay ah bian 4 million a year, he also may not get alleged corruption. High pay gets high integrity wan. The more money you have the more less money you wan wan.</p>
<p>Like this the whole world believe lor. Human have evolved lor. Not like monkey liao ler.</p>
<p>Yibah yibah untooneh neh! u no the believing of the me meh? ha ha ha</p>
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		<title>By: A Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-21003</link>
		<dc:creator>A Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 23:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Melvin

PCF website gives location of where its various facilities are located.  

As possible further evidence of the point you are making, what abt analysing where these locations are on the electoral map i.e. whether Hougang and Potong Pasir have a fair share of these facilities. 

If these areas have a less than fair share of PCF facilities, that cannot be rationally explained away, your point would be butteresed. 

But if these areas have a disproportionate share of facilities, are well ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melvin</p>
<p>PCF website gives location of where its various facilities are located.  </p>
<p>As possible further evidence of the point you are making, what abt analysing where these locations are on the electoral map i.e. whether Hougang and Potong Pasir have a fair share of these facilities. </p>
<p>If these areas have a less than fair share of PCF facilities, that cannot be rationally explained away, your point would be butteresed. </p>
<p>But if these areas have a disproportionate share of facilities, are well &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 21:30:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Donalson Tan,
PAP kindergarten, NTUC, HDB, POSB, etc all were good initiatives until they become &#039;associated&#039; with the political party with the main key people as Ministers and MPs.

Just look al the council members of the PCF, pray tell me, is this politically affliated? Even a primary school kid know how to connect the dots. It&#039;s obscenely glaring in his face.

Akin like telling the public that the government has no hand in Temasek. Yeah, right. Whom do you think we are - idiots and morons?

As one commenter pointed out, should the WP set up WPCF, do you think it will be approved? C&#039;mon please don&#039;t us as people who are dull.

Alot people just couldn&#039;t be bothered about politics and want to get on with life. But push people in the corner and they will fight back. And that is what people are doing now - opening their eyes. Increase in utlities, prices, transport, ministers&#039; salaries, Mas Selamat, FT housing problems, GST, ERP, etc, while the common man pay didn&#039;t significantly increase for the past 10 years.

So tell me, NTUC for what? Sing song and dance?

Also I have noticed a whole lot of people now contributed in their comments and ideas which I have not seen a year back. People are becoming more politically aware. They will make choices to see changes.

Kaffein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Donalson Tan,<br />
PAP kindergarten, NTUC, HDB, POSB, etc all were good initiatives until they become &#8216;associated&#8217; with the political party with the main key people as Ministers and MPs.</p>
<p>Just look al the council members of the PCF, pray tell me, is this politically affliated? Even a primary school kid know how to connect the dots. It&#8217;s obscenely glaring in his face.</p>
<p>Akin like telling the public that the government has no hand in Temasek. Yeah, right. Whom do you think we are &#8211; idiots and morons?</p>
<p>As one commenter pointed out, should the WP set up WPCF, do you think it will be approved? C&#8217;mon please don&#8217;t us as people who are dull.</p>
<p>Alot people just couldn&#8217;t be bothered about politics and want to get on with life. But push people in the corner and they will fight back. And that is what people are doing now &#8211; opening their eyes. Increase in utlities, prices, transport, ministers&#8217; salaries, Mas Selamat, FT housing problems, GST, ERP, etc, while the common man pay didn&#8217;t significantly increase for the past 10 years.</p>
<p>So tell me, NTUC for what? Sing song and dance?</p>
<p>Also I have noticed a whole lot of people now contributed in their comments and ideas which I have not seen a year back. People are becoming more politically aware. They will make choices to see changes.</p>
<p>Kaffein</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-20991</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:57:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Do not forget the foundation gives help to all regardless of race,religion and political affiliation.If you think it is unfair than WP should do like wise.&quot;

You have forgotten the PAP of today is no longer the PAP of yesterday. Do not mix the Past PAP with modern PAP of greed and money. The past PAP has many great patriot gahmen who act as check and balance. What we have today ? All YES-man and YES-woman giving us nonsense and rubbish that not only insulting to Singaporean but to the world too.

GST to help the poor ?  Increase ERP to help business ? Come on, give me a break.  Stop giving us such lame reason. 

So let&#039;s not talk about the PAP and their greatness anymore when only pathetic old fart dictating everything. The good thing done by PAP already been negated by the Lee&#039;s family and their money-greed mindset. Fart them out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Do not forget the foundation gives help to all regardless of race,religion and political affiliation.If you think it is unfair than WP should do like wise.&#8221;</p>
<p>You have forgotten the PAP of today is no longer the PAP of yesterday. Do not mix the Past PAP with modern PAP of greed and money. The past PAP has many great patriot gahmen who act as check and balance. What we have today ? All YES-man and YES-woman giving us nonsense and rubbish that not only insulting to Singaporean but to the world too.</p>
<p>GST to help the poor ?  Increase ERP to help business ? Come on, give me a break.  Stop giving us such lame reason. </p>
<p>So let&#8217;s not talk about the PAP and their greatness anymore when only pathetic old fart dictating everything. The good thing done by PAP already been negated by the Lee&#8217;s family and their money-greed mindset. Fart them out.</p>
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		<title>By: Victor</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-20989</link>
		<dc:creator>Victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:42:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;14) When you were a kid, did you ever attend PAP kindergarten classes? Those classes are offered by the PAP Community Foundation. These kindergarten classes are usually held in PAP GRCs.&quot;

Nope, mine was in a church in Commonwealth. Thanks for bringing it up, after checking on the net it turns out it was registered in 1986, my bad. Nevertheless, I think at this point there is little that can be done other than to point out the blatant use of legal loophole and lament the current state of affairs. If WP/SDP tried to pull this stunt, my bet is that their charity organisation would come under intense scrutiny in the name of corporate governance. 

I get the feeling that this issue is becoming a &quot;pass-the-buck&quot; scenario where the police dept is just stating the facts, passing on the PR damage to be handled by PAP themselves. Let&#039;s see what comes next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;14) When you were a kid, did you ever attend PAP kindergarten classes? Those classes are offered by the PAP Community Foundation. These kindergarten classes are usually held in PAP GRCs.&#8221;</p>
<p>Nope, mine was in a church in Commonwealth. Thanks for bringing it up, after checking on the net it turns out it was registered in 1986, my bad. Nevertheless, I think at this point there is little that can be done other than to point out the blatant use of legal loophole and lament the current state of affairs. If WP/SDP tried to pull this stunt, my bet is that their charity organisation would come under intense scrutiny in the name of corporate governance. </p>
<p>I get the feeling that this issue is becoming a &#8220;pass-the-buck&#8221; scenario where the police dept is just stating the facts, passing on the PR damage to be handled by PAP themselves. Let&#8217;s see what comes next.</p>
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		<title>By: Ho Pinkie</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-20987</link>
		<dc:creator>Ho Pinkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 15:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>10) aygee on September 10th, 2008 6.31 pm To jackson,

next election, they’ll increase the size of my GRC even more, and i wont be able to vote.

----------------------------------------------------

But the real question to ask is, Does the Majority care about voting? 
Apparently, they do not mind.

How many out of all technically eligible voters actually voted in the elections?

I have absolutely no idea whatsoever.

I am clueless, nice to meet you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>10) aygee on September 10th, 2008 6.31 pm To jackson,</p>
<p>next election, they’ll increase the size of my GRC even more, and i wont be able to vote.</p>
<p>&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;-</p>
<p>But the real question to ask is, Does the Majority care about voting?<br />
Apparently, they do not mind.</p>
<p>How many out of all technically eligible voters actually voted in the elections?</p>
<p>I have absolutely no idea whatsoever.</p>
<p>I am clueless, nice to meet you!</p>
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		<title>By: Singapore 3rd Class Resident</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-20980</link>
		<dc:creator>Singapore 3rd Class Resident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 14:25:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>28) Burghley hope on September 10th, 2008 9.39pm

Ya lor....the party reminds me of the Singapore Pledge

We, the citizens of Singapore,
pledge ourselves as one united people,
REGARDLESS  of race, language or religion,
to build a DEMOCRATIC society
based on JUSTICE  and EQUALITY
so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and
progress for our nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28) Burghley hope on September 10th, 2008 9.39pm</p>
<p>Ya lor&#8230;.the party reminds me of the Singapore Pledge</p>
<p>We, the citizens of Singapore,<br />
pledge ourselves as one united people,<br />
REGARDLESS  of race, language or religion,<br />
to build a DEMOCRATIC society<br />
based on JUSTICE  and EQUALITY<br />
so as to achieve happiness, prosperity and<br />
progress for our nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Burghley  hope</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/cycling-around-the-point/comment-page-1/#comment-20974</link>
		<dc:creator>Burghley  hope</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 13:39:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do not forget the foundation gives help to all regardless of race,religion and political affiliation.If you think it is unfair than WP should do like wise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do not forget the foundation gives help to all regardless of race,religion and political affiliation.If you think it is unfair than WP should do like wise.</p>
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