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		<title>By: Pie Kiah 69</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/fare-increase-not-fair-to-lower-income/comment-page-1/#comment-21470</link>
		<dc:creator>Pie Kiah 69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; Erm, maybe because it is possible that they have not bothered to do any of the studies you’re so “sure” they had done?

This is problematic: the government thinks people are stupid, and the people think the government is corrupted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; Erm, maybe because it is possible that they have not bothered to do any of the studies you’re so “sure” they had done?</p>
<p>This is problematic: the government thinks people are stupid, and the people think the government is corrupted.</p>
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		<title>By: V S RAAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>V S RAAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 04:45:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frankly I am no spy! for the matter for anyone! I am a Singaporean and have the right to write my mind and TOC provides that ideal platform...
I was never for the GST in the first place...Can you image we contribute towards growth of our country since independence...part of what it is today and we got to pay GST on almost everyting and visitors don&#039;t!  I took the GST implementation as another &#039;economic sense&#039; for the country BUT I am totally against GST for necessity goods like rice, milk, sugar, cooking oil (basic domestic needs) and on public transport like the public buses and MRT! GST could be imposed on luxury goods like buiyng private homes, car above 1600cc or any single goods valued more than $999 etc.
I have some qualms on some of the rules of law here but no qualms about goverment in rule!!! We are in the right hands overall towards betterment in all aspects!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frankly I am no spy! for the matter for anyone! I am a Singaporean and have the right to write my mind and TOC provides that ideal platform&#8230;<br />
I was never for the GST in the first place&#8230;Can you image we contribute towards growth of our country since independence&#8230;part of what it is today and we got to pay GST on almost everyting and visitors don&#8217;t!  I took the GST implementation as another &#8216;economic sense&#8217; for the country BUT I am totally against GST for necessity goods like rice, milk, sugar, cooking oil (basic domestic needs) and on public transport like the public buses and MRT! GST could be imposed on luxury goods like buiyng private homes, car above 1600cc or any single goods valued more than $999 etc.<br />
I have some qualms on some of the rules of law here but no qualms about goverment in rule!!! We are in the right hands overall towards betterment in all aspects!!</p>
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		<title>By: Amused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:39:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Why not put the reports in public?&quot;

Erm, maybe because it is possible that they have not bothered to do any of the studies you&#039;re so &quot;sure&quot; they had done?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Why not put the reports in public?&#8221;</p>
<p>Erm, maybe because it is possible that they have not bothered to do any of the studies you&#8217;re so &#8220;sure&#8221; they had done?</p>
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		<title>By: Pie Kiah 69</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/fare-increase-not-fair-to-lower-income/comment-page-1/#comment-21438</link>
		<dc:creator>Pie Kiah 69</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 18:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt; The authorities has already collected quite alot from ERP &amp; road charges. why can’t these be used to subsidise public transport fares?

First, do you think public transportation should be fully subsidised? If not, then what do you think is a fair price?

&gt; Why is there even a need to have GST for necessities? e.g rice, salt, sugar &amp; cooking oil.

I think it&#039;s a matter of choice for tax and social welfare implementation. The first way is to impose GST on everything then distribute necessities vouchers for the needy. The second way is to abolish both GST and subsidies on daily necessities. The latter has the disadvantage that lifting GST on a vaguely defined basket of goods may be have unexpected loopholes. Patching a vague and moving loopholes is seldom effective. For e.g., are instant noodles, curry spices, coconut milk, breakfast cereals, coffee, vegetables, premium rice, fast food, etc. considered necessities?

What we probably need is better communication of the decision-making process to the public. I&#039;m sure the government has studied the alternatives and documented it. Why not put the reports in public?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt; The authorities has already collected quite alot from ERP &amp; road charges. why can’t these be used to subsidise public transport fares?</p>
<p>First, do you think public transportation should be fully subsidised? If not, then what do you think is a fair price?</p>
<p>&gt; Why is there even a need to have GST for necessities? e.g rice, salt, sugar &amp; cooking oil.</p>
<p>I think it&#8217;s a matter of choice for tax and social welfare implementation. The first way is to impose GST on everything then distribute necessities vouchers for the needy. The second way is to abolish both GST and subsidies on daily necessities. The latter has the disadvantage that lifting GST on a vaguely defined basket of goods may be have unexpected loopholes. Patching a vague and moving loopholes is seldom effective. For e.g., are instant noodles, curry spices, coconut milk, breakfast cereals, coffee, vegetables, premium rice, fast food, etc. considered necessities?</p>
<p>What we probably need is better communication of the decision-making process to the public. I&#8217;m sure the government has studied the alternatives and documented it. Why not put the reports in public?</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Sep 2008 16:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great Article, the government would be foolish to ignore some of the points raised in this article. Like the columnist, I agree that the government should be using the income earned from road taxes/ERP/other taxes to subsidize public transport. 

However, I feel that our public transport system has improved alot since 10 years ago, the problem is that improvements are not keeping pace with the increase in population( 1 million foreigners and counting!), and while transport companies like SMRT are raking in RECORD profits, people in buses and trains find themselves squeezing like sardines every morning on the way to work. When the government refuses to regulate a monopoly, everyone suffers!

It&#039;s a work in progress though! I still believe that our government is GREAT! Mr Tan, just because we support PAP doesn&#039;t mean we are government spies! I love Singapore just like you and I want Singapore to become better for me and my children, I just don&#039;t believe that voting for opposition party will change everything for the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great Article, the government would be foolish to ignore some of the points raised in this article. Like the columnist, I agree that the government should be using the income earned from road taxes/ERP/other taxes to subsidize public transport. </p>
<p>However, I feel that our public transport system has improved alot since 10 years ago, the problem is that improvements are not keeping pace with the increase in population( 1 million foreigners and counting!), and while transport companies like SMRT are raking in RECORD profits, people in buses and trains find themselves squeezing like sardines every morning on the way to work. When the government refuses to regulate a monopoly, everyone suffers!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a work in progress though! I still believe that our government is GREAT! Mr Tan, just because we support PAP doesn&#8217;t mean we are government spies! I love Singapore just like you and I want Singapore to become better for me and my children, I just don&#8217;t believe that voting for opposition party will change everything for the better.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 09:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dam, the garmen spies are everywhere! Becareful........</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dam, the garmen spies are everywhere! Becareful&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 05:38:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>V S RAAJv ,
can you send your comment to Lucky Tan too ? I&#039;m sure Lucky Tan will appreciate your writing and even improve on it well enough to be published as a post on his site. Like you, Lucky Tan is a &#039;pro&#039;-government and you have a ally in him. He is one formidable folk to be with to promote pro-gov stand
http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/. 

Or before sending your comment, send it to Molly Meek for proof read and to spot any potential errors and issues. 
http://mollymeek.livejournal.com/

&quot;Rest be assured that government will come back stronger in 2011…and thats for the betterment of Singapore!!!!&quot;
Sure I believe that if it means Money=Economy Growth=Government

&quot;I am confident the government will address the woes of the common man, they always did and they will this time.&quot;
Me too very confident. Remember increase GST to help the poor ? Remember increase ERP gantries and charges to help business ? Just ask ChinaTown how effective and farsighted are our world-class ministers after ERP changes.

Now I get to enjoy &#039;premium&#039; price on the same product after GST&#039;s 40% increment. Thank to our government. Long live  PAP !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>V S RAAJv ,<br />
can you send your comment to Lucky Tan too ? I&#8217;m sure Lucky Tan will appreciate your writing and even improve on it well enough to be published as a post on his site. Like you, Lucky Tan is a &#8216;pro&#8217;-government and you have a ally in him. He is one formidable folk to be with to promote pro-gov stand<br />
<a href="http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://singaporemind.blogspot.com/</a>. </p>
<p>Or before sending your comment, send it to Molly Meek for proof read and to spot any potential errors and issues.<br />
<a href="http://mollymeek.livejournal.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mollymeek.livejournal.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Rest be assured that government will come back stronger in 2011…and thats for the betterment of Singapore!!!!&#8221;<br />
Sure I believe that if it means Money=Economy Growth=Government</p>
<p>&#8220;I am confident the government will address the woes of the common man, they always did and they will this time.&#8221;<br />
Me too very confident. Remember increase GST to help the poor ? Remember increase ERP gantries and charges to help business ? Just ask ChinaTown how effective and farsighted are our world-class ministers after ERP changes.</p>
<p>Now I get to enjoy &#8216;premium&#8217; price on the same product after GST&#8217;s 40% increment. Thank to our government. Long live  PAP !</p>
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		<title>By: V S RAAJv</title>
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		<dc:creator>V S RAAJv</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 04:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi MR.TAN...at least my comments were super hilarious to you...at least at the moment you are most frustrated, angry or boiling for the cause of the &#039;poors&#039;....
Please do not create a &#039;bracket&#039; for the poors and push them out in obvillion...they are part of everything - part of you, me and whole society we live in. Stop tagging them or belittling them. They are do not stake handouts at every opportunity that comes by...though they have financial short-comings, with pride intact, they work hard and hard at it. 
It takes few weaklings like you to spite basically at everything the government does....so you take magical lamp that light homes of the poor, rub it and hopefully expecting a &#039;genie&#039; in face of an opposition but be assured the only thing you get from rubbing this magical light is fulfillment of your soaring ego!! Rest be assured that government will come back stronger in 2011...and thats for the betterment of Singapore!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi MR.TAN&#8230;at least my comments were super hilarious to you&#8230;at least at the moment you are most frustrated, angry or boiling for the cause of the &#8216;poors&#8217;&#8230;.<br />
Please do not create a &#8216;bracket&#8217; for the poors and push them out in obvillion&#8230;they are part of everything &#8211; part of you, me and whole society we live in. Stop tagging them or belittling them. They are do not stake handouts at every opportunity that comes by&#8230;though they have financial short-comings, with pride intact, they work hard and hard at it.<br />
It takes few weaklings like you to spite basically at everything the government does&#8230;.so you take magical lamp that light homes of the poor, rub it and hopefully expecting a &#8216;genie&#8217; in face of an opposition but be assured the only thing you get from rubbing this magical light is fulfillment of your soaring ego!! Rest be assured that government will come back stronger in 2011&#8230;and thats for the betterment of Singapore!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 37</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 37</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 03:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] TOC Transport Week - TOC: TOC’s Public Transport Week – with event at Hong Lim Park - TOC: PTW Week: The private public transport - TOC: PTW: From third world to first - Sgpolitics.net: SDP’s policy paper on Land Transport - TOC: PTW: Union leader and MP and also board member of transport company? - TOC: Fare increase not fair to lower income [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] TOC Transport Week &#8211; TOC: TOC’s Public Transport Week – with event at Hong Lim Park &#8211; TOC: PTW Week: The private public transport &#8211; TOC: PTW: From third world to first &#8211; Sgpolitics.net: SDP’s policy paper on Land Transport &#8211; TOC: PTW: Union leader and MP and also board member of transport company? &#8211; TOC: Fare increase not fair to lower income [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Alex Har</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alex Har</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Sep 2008 03:02:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is one subject I tired of talking about.  Rather spend time writing and marketing my e-books to funny people in the USA who are willing to pay US47 for it.  Helps me pay for the increased transport fares in Singapore.

Was excited with the earlier pronouncements by the Minister about  a National Transport Plan. Unfortunately nothing is happening.  II guess he is too young to fight with the directors of our transport companies who have entrenched politcal allies in the cabinet despite not being Ministers.

Just for records...some things I have said, which is probably supported by the other comments and postings

1.  Transport companies must focus on people, not just profits and machines

2.  At least SBS has done away with the inefficient double deckers(nice machines London style) after much public descry, despite defending its earlier decision. .Unfortunately did not exactly put out more services. The idea was to have smaller buses running more frequently? What happened????

3.  Buses like MRTs are getting more crowded,,in fact stuffed.  My 90 year old father is healthy and use to enjoy taking bus rides. These days he is frightened and is reticent to go out because of the crowd. No need to remind peole, more Singaporeans and aging. 

Higher charges, less carrying capacity, higher utilization(more crowded)...managers and directors who make moneh onthis formula do not deserve any bonuses.  A 6 year old playing Monopoly will know how to do this.

4.  But like I say if someone has the power to make money for themselves, I am not complaining as long as they also provide improvement for the general public. 

5.  PTC must look into the performance formulas for directors and key managers of bus companies to get merit bonuses. How does service standards weigh in here. If every bus or public transport commuter has and additional idle waiting time of 3 minutes. What&#039;s the social costs?  or is the thinking...these are low class people...not worth much...let them wait!

6. Have the transport companies taken a survey of who rides buses. A good and increasing percentage are foreigner.  I advance a suggestion sometime ago, differentiate bus cards between Singaporeans and non-Singaporeans. Give non-Singaporean a break.     

 7. Aged who are frail and disabled. I think we have to leave them out of the public transport equation.  Quick! Someone start a charity to run some buses for old people. This can be done, these aged as not in hurry.  They don&#039;t really have fixed destination. They will go where its convenient!!!
 
 In Conclusion.

1. Like they always say, in Singapore, you must keep making money...cannot become weak frail....Go hospital? better die. With the increase transport fares and coffee shop cost...Even go out will die!
2. If you want charity, join a Tsunami victim group. Unfortunately we have such equable weather here
3. On a serious survival note
    a.  Does any one have a book they want to market to the USA?
    b.  Any interest is starting a  non-profit organization  to run transport  services 
        for the frail and weak...not yet amounting to disabled?  Pretty big market?.

You can flame me and send your constructive suggestions at alexhyl@gmail.com.sg .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is one subject I tired of talking about.  Rather spend time writing and marketing my e-books to funny people in the USA who are willing to pay US47 for it.  Helps me pay for the increased transport fares in Singapore.</p>
<p>Was excited with the earlier pronouncements by the Minister about  a National Transport Plan. Unfortunately nothing is happening.  II guess he is too young to fight with the directors of our transport companies who have entrenched politcal allies in the cabinet despite not being Ministers.</p>
<p>Just for records&#8230;some things I have said, which is probably supported by the other comments and postings</p>
<p>1.  Transport companies must focus on people, not just profits and machines</p>
<p>2.  At least SBS has done away with the inefficient double deckers(nice machines London style) after much public descry, despite defending its earlier decision. .Unfortunately did not exactly put out more services. The idea was to have smaller buses running more frequently? What happened????</p>
<p>3.  Buses like MRTs are getting more crowded,,in fact stuffed.  My 90 year old father is healthy and use to enjoy taking bus rides. These days he is frightened and is reticent to go out because of the crowd. No need to remind peole, more Singaporeans and aging. </p>
<p>Higher charges, less carrying capacity, higher utilization(more crowded)&#8230;managers and directors who make moneh onthis formula do not deserve any bonuses.  A 6 year old playing Monopoly will know how to do this.</p>
<p>4.  But like I say if someone has the power to make money for themselves, I am not complaining as long as they also provide improvement for the general public. </p>
<p>5.  PTC must look into the performance formulas for directors and key managers of bus companies to get merit bonuses. How does service standards weigh in here. If every bus or public transport commuter has and additional idle waiting time of 3 minutes. What&#8217;s the social costs?  or is the thinking&#8230;these are low class people&#8230;not worth much&#8230;let them wait!</p>
<p>6. Have the transport companies taken a survey of who rides buses. A good and increasing percentage are foreigner.  I advance a suggestion sometime ago, differentiate bus cards between Singaporeans and non-Singaporeans. Give non-Singaporean a break.     </p>
<p> 7. Aged who are frail and disabled. I think we have to leave them out of the public transport equation.  Quick! Someone start a charity to run some buses for old people. This can be done, these aged as not in hurry.  They don&#8217;t really have fixed destination. They will go where its convenient!!!</p>
<p> In Conclusion.</p>
<p>1. Like they always say, in Singapore, you must keep making money&#8230;cannot become weak frail&#8230;.Go hospital? better die. With the increase transport fares and coffee shop cost&#8230;Even go out will die!<br />
2. If you want charity, join a Tsunami victim group. Unfortunately we have such equable weather here<br />
3. On a serious survival note<br />
    a.  Does any one have a book they want to market to the USA?<br />
    b.  Any interest is starting a  non-profit organization  to run transport  services<br />
        for the frail and weak&#8230;not yet amounting to disabled?  Pretty big market?.</p>
<p>You can flame me and send your constructive suggestions at <a href="mailto:alexhyl@gmail.com.sg">alexhyl@gmail.com.sg</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: why_1st_worlds_get_1st_world_pay_here_average_not_so?</title>
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		<dc:creator>why_1st_worlds_get_1st_world_pay_here_average_not_so?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:56:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8) Kaffein on September 12th, 2008 2.49 pm

Maybe you are right. I had a look at their management team and ....

Which large company does not have a ... in their team eg. Directors ....senirle management....?

What is the implication ? 

I think absolutely ZERO conflict of interesting.  But you have to believe me in order to make sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8) Kaffein on September 12th, 2008 2.49 pm</p>
<p>Maybe you are right. I had a look at their management team and &#8230;.</p>
<p>Which large company does not have a &#8230; in their team eg. Directors &#8230;.senirle management&#8230;.?</p>
<p>What is the implication ? </p>
<p>I think absolutely ZERO conflict of interesting.  But you have to believe me in order to make sense.</p>
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		<title>By: why_1st_worlds_get_1st_world_pay_here_average_not_so?</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:53:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1st of all, would you think I am not lying when I say you are earning 1st world salary like the European or American workers of comparable jobs?

If think you are not getting 1st world pay, living in 1st world , 
have you asked, why 1st worlds like Europe and USA and Japan can pay their people 1st world pay?

How long have you been avoiding this question ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1st of all, would you think I am not lying when I say you are earning 1st world salary like the European or American workers of comparable jobs?</p>
<p>If think you are not getting 1st world pay, living in 1st world ,<br />
have you asked, why 1st worlds like Europe and USA and Japan can pay their people 1st world pay?</p>
<p>How long have you been avoiding this question ?</p>
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		<title>By: Mr Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mr Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:49:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Mr V S RAAJ, your comments are super hilarious! WHEN did the garmen EVER address the woes of the common men? Any examples?

They don even care 2 hood about the poor, what common men are we talking about here?

I really hope, like what you said, it WILL end well, and for the common men! I tot Jurong GRC will be the beginning, but it never happen. I am waiting for 2011 to come, and I hope your prophesy will come true.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Mr V S RAAJ, your comments are super hilarious! WHEN did the garmen EVER address the woes of the common men? Any examples?</p>
<p>They don even care 2 hood about the poor, what common men are we talking about here?</p>
<p>I really hope, like what you said, it WILL end well, and for the common men! I tot Jurong GRC will be the beginning, but it never happen. I am waiting for 2011 to come, and I hope your prophesy will come true.</p>
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		<title>By: V S RAAJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>V S RAAJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 11:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a pity though when there is price hike(service, commodity, taxes etc) which is the process of global economics, it hits and hurts the common man. Not to acknowledge these hikes, although hard to swallow, least digest, will be like hiding me behind an &#039;iron&#039; curtain locking away from reality, an act of cowardice. 
I am confident the government will address the woes of the common man, they always did and they will this time.  The government has not let the poors down at any time, they are not going to do that now!!! Lets not play the fiddle now...wait ttill the &#039;show&#039; starts....it will end well!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a pity though when there is price hike(service, commodity, taxes etc) which is the process of global economics, it hits and hurts the common man. Not to acknowledge these hikes, although hard to swallow, least digest, will be like hiding me behind an &#8216;iron&#8217; curtain locking away from reality, an act of cowardice.<br />
I am confident the government will address the woes of the common man, they always did and they will this time.  The government has not let the poors down at any time, they are not going to do that now!!! Lets not play the fiddle now&#8230;wait ttill the &#8217;show&#8217; starts&#8230;.it will end well!!!</p>
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		<title>By: alky</title>
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		<dc:creator>alky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:50:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since when did the elites ever bother to treat the poor people fairly? 

To them they are merely pawns to be sacrificed and exploited.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since when did the elites ever bother to treat the poor people fairly? </p>
<p>To them they are merely pawns to be sacrificed and exploited.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/fare-increase-not-fair-to-lower-income/comment-page-1/#comment-21214</link>
		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 07:33:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>4) Sam on September 12th, 2008 11.41 am whenever the citizens voice their concern and unhappiness over all the price increase since the last GE, when has the authorities EVER relented and retract the increase in prices.?? NEVER… NEVER….. You wait till the cow come home, also NEVER…. 

We can tok and discuss and go to Hong 
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You are damn right about all these man. Since WHEN??? did they EVER consider the welfare of the citizens???  not that I know of anything ever since the last GE.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>4) Sam on September 12th, 2008 11.41 am whenever the citizens voice their concern and unhappiness over all the price increase since the last GE, when has the authorities EVER relented and retract the increase in prices.?? NEVER… NEVER….. You wait till the cow come home, also NEVER…. </p>
<p>We can tok and discuss and go to Hong<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;</p>
<p>You are damn right about all these man. Since WHEN??? did they EVER consider the welfare of the citizens???  not that I know of anything ever since the last GE.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/fare-increase-not-fair-to-lower-income/comment-page-1/#comment-21208</link>
		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 06:49:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All said and done, Sze Hian, the whole committee does not even have a common man who takes the transport day in day out in it!

How to have an accurate recommendation when your NTUC, PTC, SMRT, SBS, etc all are run by PAP MPs, ministers and their people?

It will never be fair because it&#039;s profit driven, not a public service.

Kaffein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All said and done, Sze Hian, the whole committee does not even have a common man who takes the transport day in day out in it!</p>
<p>How to have an accurate recommendation when your NTUC, PTC, SMRT, SBS, etc all are run by PAP MPs, ministers and their people?</p>
<p>It will never be fair because it&#8217;s profit driven, not a public service.</p>
<p>Kaffein</p>
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		<title>By: PROPOSE MIN WAGE</title>
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		<dc:creator>PROPOSE MIN WAGE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 05:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I propose a law for the minimum wage.
How to do it?
Reference the many many min wage systems in the world and just amend to suit the local environment.

as long as there is no min wage, and influx comes in willing to work for less due to currency conversion power, there is basically no limit as to what is the min wage. I suspect when economy crash again, many will want to work for almost free due to intense foreign competition even for jobs like washing the urinals and pouring faeces or wash plates and stand at mc donalds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I propose a law for the minimum wage.<br />
How to do it?<br />
Reference the many many min wage systems in the world and just amend to suit the local environment.</p>
<p>as long as there is no min wage, and influx comes in willing to work for less due to currency conversion power, there is basically no limit as to what is the min wage. I suspect when economy crash again, many will want to work for almost free due to intense foreign competition even for jobs like washing the urinals and pouring faeces or wash plates and stand at mc donalds.</p>
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		<title>By: latecomer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/09/fare-increase-not-fair-to-lower-income/comment-page-1/#comment-21185</link>
		<dc:creator>latecomer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look now. Raising fares when basic service standards are not improving is already not fair. Rising inflation and unprecedented profits for operators mean double not fair. Having a govt-controlled non-independent regulator like PTC to approve fare hikes is triple not fair.

What more is there to say? All they are doing is just coming up with many patterns to confuse people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look now. Raising fares when basic service standards are not improving is already not fair. Rising inflation and unprecedented profits for operators mean double not fair. Having a govt-controlled non-independent regulator like PTC to approve fare hikes is triple not fair.</p>
<p>What more is there to say? All they are doing is just coming up with many patterns to confuse people.</p>
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		<title>By: loop</title>
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		<dc:creator>loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 04:40:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The authorities has already collected quite alot from ERP &amp; road charges.  why can&#039;t these be used to subsidise public transport fares?  Why is there even a need to have GST for necessities? e.g rice, salt, sugar &amp; cooking oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The authorities has already collected quite alot from ERP &amp; road charges.  why can&#8217;t these be used to subsidise public transport fares?  Why is there even a need to have GST for necessities? e.g rice, salt, sugar &amp; cooking oil.</p>
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