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	<title>Comments on: TOC’s Public Transport Week – with event at Hong Lim Park</title>
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		<title>By: George</title>
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		<dc:creator>George</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Sep 2009 11:31:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(PAP) Pay and Pay is the motto and its name. What would one expect from a ruling regime that is interested only with MONEY. If one could not afford train fair, then sorry, just walk to work - There is No Free Lunch in Paradise Island. There is also no homeless in SinKapore. We lived in the First World and so we must not have third world mentality like our neigbours. SinKaporean will just pay up and shut up, like always, nothing new here.  Have they dare to protest ? To express their views and suffering? When that come and I see it with own eyes, then I will believe it. We had been totally brain washed over the years and incapable of independence thinking. Everytime we think of MM Lee we have to bow down, just in case. That&#039;s how much we been brain washed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>(PAP) Pay and Pay is the motto and its name. What would one expect from a ruling regime that is interested only with MONEY. If one could not afford train fair, then sorry, just walk to work &#8211; There is No Free Lunch in Paradise Island. There is also no homeless in SinKapore. We lived in the First World and so we must not have third world mentality like our neigbours. SinKaporean will just pay up and shut up, like always, nothing new here.  Have they dare to protest ? To express their views and suffering? When that come and I see it with own eyes, then I will believe it. We had been totally brain washed over the years and incapable of independence thinking. Everytime we think of MM Lee we have to bow down, just in case. That&#8217;s how much we been brain washed.</p>
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		<title>By: lobo76</title>
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		<dc:creator>lobo76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 08:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST say TOC has released a 10page report? Is it available on TOC? or strictly for media only?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ST say TOC has released a 10page report? Is it available on TOC? or strictly for media only?</p>
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		<title>By: sleep</title>
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		<dc:creator>sleep</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 02:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i saw everyone working and taking company  transport bus home</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i saw everyone working and taking company  transport bus home</p>
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		<title>By: Ho Pinkie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ho Pinkie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 13:32:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>26) irresponsible singaporean on September 9th, 2008 12.42 am 

But does the majority mind it?
Apparently not.
thus status quo for half  a Century (almost).

I suspect people playing shares and doing business would not want to shake things up.  But if you are an employee with kids to raise and fees, housing, loans etc  to Pay and Pay...   

To employers, singapore&#039;s policies allows them to lower labor costs. But to succeed in this global economy, I am sure its not about labor cost but about a company&#039;s intellectual property and their competency. In short, Singapore should focus on competent companies who would not resort to offering less than 1st world salaries to survive. 

Some INC can afford to pay multi-million dollar salaries to many who do not work much because the INC&#039;s people are hard working and cooperative absorbing all sorts of competition pressures and cooperating without any strikes. So, u see, salary is nothing. Its whether the company is competent or not.

Why many European companies doing well and paying 1st world salaries to their european employees and senior management ?  Because they can. They are competent companies able to capture the market and make good products and provide excellent services.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>26) irresponsible singaporean on September 9th, 2008 12.42 am </p>
<p>But does the majority mind it?<br />
Apparently not.<br />
thus status quo for half  a Century (almost).</p>
<p>I suspect people playing shares and doing business would not want to shake things up.  But if you are an employee with kids to raise and fees, housing, loans etc  to Pay and Pay&#8230;   </p>
<p>To employers, singapore&#8217;s policies allows them to lower labor costs. But to succeed in this global economy, I am sure its not about labor cost but about a company&#8217;s intellectual property and their competency. In short, Singapore should focus on competent companies who would not resort to offering less than 1st world salaries to survive. </p>
<p>Some INC can afford to pay multi-million dollar salaries to many who do not work much because the INC&#8217;s people are hard working and cooperative absorbing all sorts of competition pressures and cooperating without any strikes. So, u see, salary is nothing. Its whether the company is competent or not.</p>
<p>Why many European companies doing well and paying 1st world salaries to their european employees and senior management ?  Because they can. They are competent companies able to capture the market and make good products and provide excellent services.</p>
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		<title>By: watthefish</title>
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		<dc:creator>watthefish</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 05:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The best part about all are these policies are being put forth by officers who do not take the bus, trains etc. Wat the fish having to adhere to their recommendations. Let them take the train every evening from City Hall to any part ot Singapore, they will understand the issue better. Let them take the public transport especially SBS Service 39 and they will understand what is full to the brim. Let them rub shoulders with other workers then they will know what is crowded......... That is what Singapore is becoming, lots of ideas and suggestions...... bullshit ideas and crapped suggestions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The best part about all are these policies are being put forth by officers who do not take the bus, trains etc. Wat the fish having to adhere to their recommendations. Let them take the train every evening from City Hall to any part ot Singapore, they will understand the issue better. Let them take the public transport especially SBS Service 39 and they will understand what is full to the brim. Let them rub shoulders with other workers then they will know what is crowded&#8230;&#8230;&#8230; That is what Singapore is becoming, lots of ideas and suggestions&#8230;&#8230; bullshit ideas and crapped suggestions.</p>
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		<title>By: Dell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Sep 2008 00:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d personally like to know how much TV Mobile costs SBS to operate.  I don&#039;t think I speak solely when I say it is an irritant to most commuters -- awful programming, and often poorly transmitted.  How much did it cost to implement these ridiculous TV screens in each bus, and how much does it cost to upkeep?  I&#039;d like to know how much of my busfare goes into sustaining a peripheral &#039;service&#039; I really would rather not have at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d personally like to know how much TV Mobile costs SBS to operate.  I don&#8217;t think I speak solely when I say it is an irritant to most commuters &#8212; awful programming, and often poorly transmitted.  How much did it cost to implement these ridiculous TV screens in each bus, and how much does it cost to upkeep?  I&#8217;d like to know how much of my busfare goes into sustaining a peripheral &#8216;service&#8217; I really would rather not have at all.</p>
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		<title>By: irresponsible singaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>irresponsible singaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 16:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>please don&#039;t waste your time arguing with the government.

they will only listen to the people every 5 years during election times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>please don&#8217;t waste your time arguing with the government.</p>
<p>they will only listen to the people every 5 years during election times.</p>
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		<title>By: lefleche</title>
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		<dc:creator>lefleche</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>comment 11: Our overpaid ministers should check out how much better the public transport system is at Tokyo, HK and Taipei!!!

Our overpaid ministers will never compare countries that are better than us because it&#039;ll show how much lesser money other leaders will serve for. 

Moreover, Tokyo, HK and Taipei are democracies that actually work and prosper. they&#039;ll only mention these countries and compare if they are are democracies who are in turmoil and poverty so that they can look better, praise themselves and insist that Singapore under them is heaven, and that democracy and modest leaders are not &#039;the way that works for singapore&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>comment 11: Our overpaid ministers should check out how much better the public transport system is at Tokyo, HK and Taipei!!!</p>
<p>Our overpaid ministers will never compare countries that are better than us because it&#8217;ll show how much lesser money other leaders will serve for. </p>
<p>Moreover, Tokyo, HK and Taipei are democracies that actually work and prosper. they&#8217;ll only mention these countries and compare if they are are democracies who are in turmoil and poverty so that they can look better, praise themselves and insist that Singapore under them is heaven, and that democracy and modest leaders are not &#8216;the way that works for singapore&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: chorus</title>
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		<dc:creator>chorus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:09:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>feverguy,

that is harsh. i see no need to call anyone &#039;dog&#039; and start mocking them. (your points are valid though.)

it does not take much to recognise that we all have opinions and it is natural to disagree.

calling someone &#039;dog&#039; only shows how uncouth you are. that is not the way to go against the establishment. in fact it is &#039;extremist&#039; acts and viewpoints like yours that will provide the perfect ammunition for the establishment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>feverguy,</p>
<p>that is harsh. i see no need to call anyone &#8216;dog&#8217; and start mocking them. (your points are valid though.)</p>
<p>it does not take much to recognise that we all have opinions and it is natural to disagree.</p>
<p>calling someone &#8216;dog&#8217; only shows how uncouth you are. that is not the way to go against the establishment. in fact it is &#8216;extremist&#8217; acts and viewpoints like yours that will provide the perfect ammunition for the establishment.</p>
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		<title>By: FleeingDogman</title>
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		<dc:creator>FleeingDogman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 14:00:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21) theonlinecitizen on September 8th, 2008 2.54 pm 

If you are For the People,
you can bet the People will be behind you.

too many have gone the way of heartwarezine, if you know what i mean?

Pragmatism Extremified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21) theonlinecitizen on September 8th, 2008 2.54 pm </p>
<p>If you are For the People,<br />
you can bet the People will be behind you.</p>
<p>too many have gone the way of heartwarezine, if you know what i mean?</p>
<p>Pragmatism Extremified.</p>
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		<title>By: JR</title>
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		<dc:creator>JR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 07:43:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hardly know what&#039;s wrong with the SBS.  The newest single decks put not one, but TWO wheelchair bays.  In about 2-3 years of riding wheelchair-enabled buses, I&#039;ve seen the wheelchair bay utilized--THRICE.  While ok, one is still excusable, having two is simply inexcusable.  The resulting space wastage and the increased discomfort to the hundreds of bus users every day compared to the usage makes the company look absolutely ridiculous.  My recommendation:  If you want a larger standing bay, take out the middle cushion for the wheelchair.  Otherwise, put more seats.

Also, for bus fare hikes, i don&#039;t see how it&#039;s fair or realistic for student fares to stay unchanged for about twenty years while adult fares are constantly increasing.  Why aren&#039;t parents of children, rather than the parents as well as all the other adults, made to pay more for once?  Is it another decision based on economics of scale?

And of course, the obscene profits of the PTCs and sanctioned by the PTC--nothing more I need to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hardly know what&#8217;s wrong with the SBS.  The newest single decks put not one, but TWO wheelchair bays.  In about 2-3 years of riding wheelchair-enabled buses, I&#8217;ve seen the wheelchair bay utilized&#8211;THRICE.  While ok, one is still excusable, having two is simply inexcusable.  The resulting space wastage and the increased discomfort to the hundreds of bus users every day compared to the usage makes the company look absolutely ridiculous.  My recommendation:  If you want a larger standing bay, take out the middle cushion for the wheelchair.  Otherwise, put more seats.</p>
<p>Also, for bus fare hikes, i don&#8217;t see how it&#8217;s fair or realistic for student fares to stay unchanged for about twenty years while adult fares are constantly increasing.  Why aren&#8217;t parents of children, rather than the parents as well as all the other adults, made to pay more for once?  Is it another decision based on economics of scale?</p>
<p>And of course, the obscene profits of the PTCs and sanctioned by the PTC&#8211;nothing more I need to say.</p>
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		<title>By: theonlinecitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>theonlinecitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:54:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Fleeing dogman

Thanks. :)

Regards,
Andrew Loh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Fleeing dogman</p>
<p>Thanks. :)</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Andrew Loh</p>
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		<title>By: theonlinecitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>theonlinecitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear onedimensionalman,

Thank you for your advice. We will certainly keep it in mind. I think it&#039;s important to note and to know a few things about our event:

1. It is not a demonstration. There will be no colour-coded t-shirts or placards, for example. What the even hopes to achieve is to bring ithe issues to a non-Internet audience. Demonstrating is the last thing on our minds.

2. You are right in saying that civil society needs to grow and inspire others to speak up. That is also what we hope we will do with the HLP event. 

3. We do not view ourselves or our website or the HLP event as &quot;fighting&quot; the Govt or anyone, in fact. We view ourselves as concerned S&#039;poreans who have an honest and vested interest in how our country is run and have a say in the policies which affect us.

I also give credit to the Govt, particularly the Prime Minister, for wanting to hear public opinion - this is something which they are not given credit for. Whether the feedback is taken is another thing altogether.

Thanks again. Hope to see you at HLP this Saturday... :)

Regards,
Andrew Loh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear onedimensionalman,</p>
<p>Thank you for your advice. We will certainly keep it in mind. I think it&#8217;s important to note and to know a few things about our event:</p>
<p>1. It is not a demonstration. There will be no colour-coded t-shirts or placards, for example. What the even hopes to achieve is to bring ithe issues to a non-Internet audience. Demonstrating is the last thing on our minds.</p>
<p>2. You are right in saying that civil society needs to grow and inspire others to speak up. That is also what we hope we will do with the HLP event. </p>
<p>3. We do not view ourselves or our website or the HLP event as &#8220;fighting&#8221; the Govt or anyone, in fact. We view ourselves as concerned S&#8217;poreans who have an honest and vested interest in how our country is run and have a say in the policies which affect us.</p>
<p>I also give credit to the Govt, particularly the Prime Minister, for wanting to hear public opinion &#8211; this is something which they are not given credit for. Whether the feedback is taken is another thing altogether.</p>
<p>Thanks again. Hope to see you at HLP this Saturday&#8230; :)</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Andrew Loh</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:44:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that increasing the fares doesn&#039;t improve the public transport service at all because nevertheless people still have to take public transport. Therefore increasing the fares to discourage traffic congestion is opposite of the govt&#039;s initial policy of encouraging more public transport usage aka slap their own face.

Problem is our country is small and yet govt still wants to increase population size, which is suicidal in the long run. This reflects the govt&#039;s short-sightedness in handling public issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that increasing the fares doesn&#8217;t improve the public transport service at all because nevertheless people still have to take public transport. Therefore increasing the fares to discourage traffic congestion is opposite of the govt&#8217;s initial policy of encouraging more public transport usage aka slap their own face.</p>
<p>Problem is our country is small and yet govt still wants to increase population size, which is suicidal in the long run. This reflects the govt&#8217;s short-sightedness in handling public issues.</p>
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		<title>By: Debate is good</title>
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		<dc:creator>Debate is good</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:42:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;15) FleeingDogman on September 8th, 2008 12.32 pm 
I dont wish to see TOC kenna debated until they look bad on TV.&quot;

Never mind lah. Practice makes perfect. Do it once, do it twice and do it thrice. Do it often, it becomes a habit.

Underdogs always have more support. People will give discount lah.

The measurement is really how hard our own pockets are being hit. What, if you are well groomed with Armani suit and tie with strings of Phd and Masters and used to be the No. 1 debater in your uni. Does it really help me.

&quot;FD is also a businessman, having his own media related business under his nickman FD. So, I think that is why he is able to debate with TOC so well. He is in full support of FT and agrees that sporeans should learn to grow up.

If you are a smart businessman. You will probably stay quite and keep a very low profile because every single word  that you speak will be picked apart, undergone a ‘fine-toothed comb’ scrutiny and get blown out of proportion if there is even a slightest weakness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;15) FleeingDogman on September 8th, 2008 12.32 pm<br />
I dont wish to see TOC kenna debated until they look bad on TV.&#8221;</p>
<p>Never mind lah. Practice makes perfect. Do it once, do it twice and do it thrice. Do it often, it becomes a habit.</p>
<p>Underdogs always have more support. People will give discount lah.</p>
<p>The measurement is really how hard our own pockets are being hit. What, if you are well groomed with Armani suit and tie with strings of Phd and Masters and used to be the No. 1 debater in your uni. Does it really help me.</p>
<p>&#8220;FD is also a businessman, having his own media related business under his nickman FD. So, I think that is why he is able to debate with TOC so well. He is in full support of FT and agrees that sporeans should learn to grow up.</p>
<p>If you are a smart businessman. You will probably stay quite and keep a very low profile because every single word  that you speak will be picked apart, undergone a ‘fine-toothed comb’ scrutiny and get blown out of proportion if there is even a slightest weakness.</p>
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		<title>By: onedimensionalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>onedimensionalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 06:16:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think its great that you are doing something on your own. We need civil society to grow. 

For the first time in many many years, we see a different branch of liberalism from Chee&#039;s tainted past. Fact is, the public could never see liberalism in a good light because it was tainted with Chee (whether or not the media and the Govt had anything to do with it is another issue). 

Now we see a moderate liberal section coming up to debate issues of public interest. If you can sustain this momentum, more will be emboldened to follow suit.

You should, however, play smart and by the rules. Do not assume you are smart; fact is, the ruling party is VERY smart. Push and retreat where you can and always live to fight another day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think its great that you are doing something on your own. We need civil society to grow. </p>
<p>For the first time in many many years, we see a different branch of liberalism from Chee&#8217;s tainted past. Fact is, the public could never see liberalism in a good light because it was tainted with Chee (whether or not the media and the Govt had anything to do with it is another issue). </p>
<p>Now we see a moderate liberal section coming up to debate issues of public interest. If you can sustain this momentum, more will be emboldened to follow suit.</p>
<p>You should, however, play smart and by the rules. Do not assume you are smart; fact is, the ruling party is VERY smart. Push and retreat where you can and always live to fight another day.</p>
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		<title>By: sarek_home</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarek_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 05:54:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi FleeingDogman,

A few comments on the pro-foreigners arguments at the BlogTv.

1. Foreigners in service industry can raise competing with locals can raise standard and introduce good practices.

We don&#039;t need to open up the job market to introduce good practice and raise service standards.  It is the job of human resources training and management.

Competition exists in work place as employees seek to perform and get promoted.  There is no need to open up the industry foreign workers to get that.

2. Foreigners usually demand less in pay and compensation.

This is because they can afford to do that with their families in their home countries with lower cost of living.  They can work here for a few years and the money saved can do much in improving the living standard at home.  The same is not true for locals.  

The argument only show the businesses are squeezing the locals with the foreigners.  It points the problem to government policies and the GLC that own the malls driving up business costs.

More later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi FleeingDogman,</p>
<p>A few comments on the pro-foreigners arguments at the BlogTv.</p>
<p>1. Foreigners in service industry can raise competing with locals can raise standard and introduce good practices.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t need to open up the job market to introduce good practice and raise service standards.  It is the job of human resources training and management.</p>
<p>Competition exists in work place as employees seek to perform and get promoted.  There is no need to open up the industry foreign workers to get that.</p>
<p>2. Foreigners usually demand less in pay and compensation.</p>
<p>This is because they can afford to do that with their families in their home countries with lower cost of living.  They can work here for a few years and the money saved can do much in improving the living standard at home.  The same is not true for locals.  </p>
<p>The argument only show the businesses are squeezing the locals with the foreigners.  It points the problem to government policies and the GLC that own the malls driving up business costs.</p>
<p>More later.</p>
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		<title>By: FleeingDogman</title>
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		<dc:creator>FleeingDogman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 04:32:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I urge TOC not to demonstrate at the HLP.

I dont wish to see TOC kenna debated until they look bad on TV.

I recall the BlogTV where TOC&#039;s view was not convincing the public after FD and his co-host and new citizen and a local businessman who likes FTs countered his views.

Its quite pathetic u know?

FD is also a businessman, having his own media related business under his nickman FD. So, I think that is why he is able to debate with TOC so well. He is in full support of FT and agrees that sporeans should learn to grow up.

I also support FT.
I hope more than 1 million more FTs come here and make the employers happy. 

So, just my 2cents advise to TOC. Please stop wasting time at HLP.
Not many will turn up, I predict. But time will tell. 

TOC is trying to engage the people.
But if not prepared for debate, you are sending the wrong message.
I hope you are not unprepared.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I urge TOC not to demonstrate at the HLP.</p>
<p>I dont wish to see TOC kenna debated until they look bad on TV.</p>
<p>I recall the BlogTV where TOC&#8217;s view was not convincing the public after FD and his co-host and new citizen and a local businessman who likes FTs countered his views.</p>
<p>Its quite pathetic u know?</p>
<p>FD is also a businessman, having his own media related business under his nickman FD. So, I think that is why he is able to debate with TOC so well. He is in full support of FT and agrees that sporeans should learn to grow up.</p>
<p>I also support FT.<br />
I hope more than 1 million more FTs come here and make the employers happy. </p>
<p>So, just my 2cents advise to TOC. Please stop wasting time at HLP.<br />
Not many will turn up, I predict. But time will tell. </p>
<p>TOC is trying to engage the people.<br />
But if not prepared for debate, you are sending the wrong message.<br />
I hope you are not unprepared.</p>
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		<title>By: Aaron</title>
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		<dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is a gap between consumers and the top management (not unlike the government i feel).

The top in this case looks at statistics, and constantly compares ourselves to cities with higher prices.

If you look at statistics, for eg: A cabin can hold 30 sitting passengers and 50 standing ones, and only 20 people are standing at any one time.

It doesn&#039;t make any economical sense to increase train frequencies.

What they don&#039;t see (or refuse to see) is how uncomfortable it is to be packed into sardines, or wait up from 6-8 minutes for the train, only to be packed again.

Once again, i would suggest that the Board of Directors of our world-class transport systems take the trains and buses to work everyday for a month. Perhaps then they&#039;ll understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is a gap between consumers and the top management (not unlike the government i feel).</p>
<p>The top in this case looks at statistics, and constantly compares ourselves to cities with higher prices.</p>
<p>If you look at statistics, for eg: A cabin can hold 30 sitting passengers and 50 standing ones, and only 20 people are standing at any one time.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t make any economical sense to increase train frequencies.</p>
<p>What they don&#8217;t see (or refuse to see) is how uncomfortable it is to be packed into sardines, or wait up from 6-8 minutes for the train, only to be packed again.</p>
<p>Once again, i would suggest that the Board of Directors of our world-class transport systems take the trains and buses to work everyday for a month. Perhaps then they&#8217;ll understand.</p>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 8 Sep 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Sep 2008 03:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] ERPains, Trains &amp; Automobiles - TOC: TOC’s Public Transport Week – with event at Hong Lim Park [...]</description>
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