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		<title>By: fievel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:57:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have already stop chasing that Singapore dream. No car, no condos. Zilch. 
All I want now is to get out of this bloody island.</description>
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All I want now is to get out of this bloody island.</p>
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		<title>By: fievel</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 18:54:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the widening gap between the haves and the have-nots in Singapore is a sign of things to come, then Singapore is really regressing, not progressing, as a nation. We are becoming a 3rd world nation in the society DNA.

In any case, it is not just the lower-income Singaporeans who are suffering at the hands of PAP. I mean, unless your family has got properties or a great business on the side, the get-a-degree-work-hard class of citizens are just as squeezed by the inflation. No doubt they, including yours truly, can downgrade their lifestyle - they can go from car to bus, from condo-aspirations to 3 room flats..but where does this stop? When does this endless downgrade in aspirations stop?

The majority of the citizens no longer benefit from the extra GDP dollars generated by our govt&#039;s economic policies. For every extra dollar I get, I pay $2 more as a result. I much rather I earned $1k less and have $100,000 more in purchasing power or retirement money.

My parents were primary school educated, but as blue collar workers 20+ yrs ago, they had higher real (inflation adjusted) income than my wife and I. 

In any case, if I didn&#039;t know better, I might have listened to some old man&#039;s recent nonsense on some farce-of-a-forum, saying this is an inevitable global phenomenon. I know cos I have Singaporean friends living outside of this little island nation, doing exactly what many of us would have wanted for a simple life - to be able to afford a home we are satisfied with, and not merely making do with a lousier smaller place that cost more than their original dream home - and be saving enough to look forward to a normal retirement at age 50+. 

Again the old man said people shouldnt retire so young cos they will most probably &quot;die&quot; once they stop being active..heck...the ability to retire and the actual retiring are two separate issues. He knows cos he has the ability to. 

Talk about putting yourselves in others&#039; shoes. Honorable leader? Yes, maybe 15yrs ago. Not anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the widening gap between the haves and the have-nots in Singapore is a sign of things to come, then Singapore is really regressing, not progressing, as a nation. We are becoming a 3rd world nation in the society DNA.</p>
<p>In any case, it is not just the lower-income Singaporeans who are suffering at the hands of PAP. I mean, unless your family has got properties or a great business on the side, the get-a-degree-work-hard class of citizens are just as squeezed by the inflation. No doubt they, including yours truly, can downgrade their lifestyle &#8211; they can go from car to bus, from condo-aspirations to 3 room flats..but where does this stop? When does this endless downgrade in aspirations stop?</p>
<p>The majority of the citizens no longer benefit from the extra GDP dollars generated by our govt&#8217;s economic policies. For every extra dollar I get, I pay $2 more as a result. I much rather I earned $1k less and have $100,000 more in purchasing power or retirement money.</p>
<p>My parents were primary school educated, but as blue collar workers 20+ yrs ago, they had higher real (inflation adjusted) income than my wife and I. </p>
<p>In any case, if I didn&#8217;t know better, I might have listened to some old man&#8217;s recent nonsense on some farce-of-a-forum, saying this is an inevitable global phenomenon. I know cos I have Singaporean friends living outside of this little island nation, doing exactly what many of us would have wanted for a simple life &#8211; to be able to afford a home we are satisfied with, and not merely making do with a lousier smaller place that cost more than their original dream home &#8211; and be saving enough to look forward to a normal retirement at age 50+. </p>
<p>Again the old man said people shouldnt retire so young cos they will most probably &#8220;die&#8221; once they stop being active..heck&#8230;the ability to retire and the actual retiring are two separate issues. He knows cos he has the ability to. </p>
<p>Talk about putting yourselves in others&#8217; shoes. Honorable leader? Yes, maybe 15yrs ago. Not anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: We, the citizens of Singapore : The Online Citizen - a community of singaporeans</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Aug 2009 11:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to be turned away? What is the value of being “we the citizen of Singapore” for the likes of Peter and Sarah, the “new poor” for whom even the basic needs of a home remain a distant dream?  How many [...]</description>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/chasing-that-elusive-singapore-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-26273</link>
		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:04:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gamami (#75)
thank you for the brief intro</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gamami (#75)<br />
thank you for the brief intro</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/chasing-that-elusive-singapore-dream/comment-page-2/#comment-25674</link>
		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>one more thing I forgot to add:

JM was the part of the SDP&#039;s team contesting Jalan Besar GRC. The others in the team were Low Yong Nguan, Gandhi Ambalavan and David Chew. If you have been following opposition politics and their politicians, you will understand that this is a group of people with fiercely superb oratory skills that could work up any crowd any where. Herein lies the danger.

In the opposing camp were the incumbents, headed by Lee Boon Yang and his team of relatively new and unheard of politicians.

Do you now get the picture why LKY and his whole machinery had to step in to lend LBY his hands?

If left alone, LBY would have been crushed and PAP&#039;s GRC program would have collapsed and backfired. Oh, it must not happen - at ALL cost!

JM was later sued for defamation. His team-mates were not let off either - just for being there that night.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>one more thing I forgot to add:</p>
<p>JM was the part of the SDP&#8217;s team contesting Jalan Besar GRC. The others in the team were Low Yong Nguan, Gandhi Ambalavan and David Chew. If you have been following opposition politics and their politicians, you will understand that this is a group of people with fiercely superb oratory skills that could work up any crowd any where. Herein lies the danger.</p>
<p>In the opposing camp were the incumbents, headed by Lee Boon Yang and his team of relatively new and unheard of politicians.</p>
<p>Do you now get the picture why LKY and his whole machinery had to step in to lend LBY his hands?</p>
<p>If left alone, LBY would have been crushed and PAP&#8217;s GRC program would have collapsed and backfired. Oh, it must not happen &#8211; at ALL cost!</p>
<p>JM was later sued for defamation. His team-mates were not let off either &#8211; just for being there that night.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:00:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>72) blade 

briefly; it was the 1997 ge and SDP was then at the fore-front of opposition representation in parliament, having won 3 seats at the last ge.

1997 ge was then termed, the watershed ge where expectations were high and Singaporeans were gearing up to see a good fight.

The PAP, in order to place itself in an advantageous position, increased some of the GRC teams from 4 to 6 candidates in each team. The press and media were all geared up to entrap the opposition upon the instructions of the mighty rulers.

The ge got off to a slow start and feeling bored, LKY then created the first stir.
Fearing the fiery oratory delivery skills of Jufrie Mahmood at the previous night&#039;s rally, he resorted to comment that he looked more like a gangster with his unkempt goatee.

Next morning, photos of JM was pasted all across the news mediums. That night, JM, at his rally, talked about the lack of issues from the PAP and because they had nothing better to do, they resorted to name-calling and making remarks that attacks the person. Somehow, JM made some reference to himself being a malay and that was IT . . . . ! ! ! 

It was the &#039;slip&#039; the pap was looking for - - - &quot;blasphemy!&quot; they shouted!
The press followed the wind and its full machinery went into overdrive.

LKY then coined and branded JM a communalist!

Together with the press it became the election issue - nothing else mattered.

This is how it has been eversince . . . . .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>72) blade </p>
<p>briefly; it was the 1997 ge and SDP was then at the fore-front of opposition representation in parliament, having won 3 seats at the last ge.</p>
<p>1997 ge was then termed, the watershed ge where expectations were high and Singaporeans were gearing up to see a good fight.</p>
<p>The PAP, in order to place itself in an advantageous position, increased some of the GRC teams from 4 to 6 candidates in each team. The press and media were all geared up to entrap the opposition upon the instructions of the mighty rulers.</p>
<p>The ge got off to a slow start and feeling bored, LKY then created the first stir.<br />
Fearing the fiery oratory delivery skills of Jufrie Mahmood at the previous night&#8217;s rally, he resorted to comment that he looked more like a gangster with his unkempt goatee.</p>
<p>Next morning, photos of JM was pasted all across the news mediums. That night, JM, at his rally, talked about the lack of issues from the PAP and because they had nothing better to do, they resorted to name-calling and making remarks that attacks the person. Somehow, JM made some reference to himself being a malay and that was IT . . . . ! ! ! </p>
<p>It was the &#8217;slip&#8217; the pap was looking for &#8211; - &#8211; &#8220;blasphemy!&#8221; they shouted!<br />
The press followed the wind and its full machinery went into overdrive.</p>
<p>LKY then coined and branded JM a communalist!</p>
<p>Together with the press it became the election issue &#8211; nothing else mattered.</p>
<p>This is how it has been eversince . . . . .</p>
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		<title>By: Ravi Philemon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ravi Philemon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Tamil Poet and Social Activist Barathi said, &quot;We will destroy this world if even one man does not have food&quot; (paraphrased).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Tamil Poet and Social Activist Barathi said, &#8220;We will destroy this world if even one man does not have food&#8221; (paraphrased).</p>
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		<title>By: victor @young ganeration@</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 08:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hahas...

lost lost lost...
we singaporeans always have a great lost...

but NOT..ALL WILL CHANGE..
CHANGE...
HEHEHEHE...

totally sad about LKY le...
not effort made by him le...all the good ha made,has gone,,...
hai.

wake up./....
wake wake up up./..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hahas&#8230;</p>
<p>lost lost lost&#8230;<br />
we singaporeans always have a great lost&#8230;</p>
<p>but NOT..ALL WILL CHANGE..<br />
CHANGE&#8230;<br />
HEHEHEHE&#8230;</p>
<p>totally sad about LKY le&#8230;<br />
not effort made by him le&#8230;all the good ha made,has gone,,&#8230;<br />
hai.</p>
<p>wake up./&#8230;.<br />
wake wake up up./..</p>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
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		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:30:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gemami (#71):
agree. the opposition hasn&#039;t been strategic in their campaign for election. 

i wasn&#039;t active in current affairs, not to say politics, so i&#039;m ashamed not to understand the full length of your post, especially on Mohd Jufrie, the issue on msm. i&#039;ll check them up some other times, or maybe you can give brief explanations...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gemami (#71):<br />
agree. the opposition hasn&#8217;t been strategic in their campaign for election. </p>
<p>i wasn&#8217;t active in current affairs, not to say politics, so i&#8217;m ashamed not to understand the full length of your post, especially on Mohd Jufrie, the issue on msm. i&#8217;ll check them up some other times, or maybe you can give brief explanations&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 06:20:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about lawsuit is because the pap have a whole machinery at its beck and call to produce clips upon clips and from every angle on what each opposition speaker says or even how he conducts himself.

Remember Mohd Jufrie? even his goatee was a problem.

The opposition must do likewise, or at least channel some resources into doing the same. I am sure the PAP big guns would sit down after every rally to study, scrutinise and pick up any small details that can be used against the opposition and even to use them to direct the flow of traffic with intention to entrap them.

Likewise, the opposition must collaborate to unite their resources to do the same. 

I am sure ministers like LSS could be cornered easily. See the other article where he describes LKY along the same line as Deng Xiao Ping. He is insinuating that LKY is communist. He even went into details on their similarities.

Another point i missed out earlier, the opposition must work around the msm. This is one of the biggest hurdle if not THE hurdle. It is here that the PAP speakers would correct the mistakes they make or slips of the tongues etc. during the heated campaign trail.

It&#039;s a long road but the opposition must start to stategize otherwise it would be another futile attempt to win anything.

And the big losers will be - again - you and me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about lawsuit is because the pap have a whole machinery at its beck and call to produce clips upon clips and from every angle on what each opposition speaker says or even how he conducts himself.</p>
<p>Remember Mohd Jufrie? even his goatee was a problem.</p>
<p>The opposition must do likewise, or at least channel some resources into doing the same. I am sure the PAP big guns would sit down after every rally to study, scrutinise and pick up any small details that can be used against the opposition and even to use them to direct the flow of traffic with intention to entrap them.</p>
<p>Likewise, the opposition must collaborate to unite their resources to do the same. </p>
<p>I am sure ministers like LSS could be cornered easily. See the other article where he describes LKY along the same line as Deng Xiao Ping. He is insinuating that LKY is communist. He even went into details on their similarities.</p>
<p>Another point i missed out earlier, the opposition must work around the msm. This is one of the biggest hurdle if not THE hurdle. It is here that the PAP speakers would correct the mistakes they make or slips of the tongues etc. during the heated campaign trail.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a long road but the opposition must start to stategize otherwise it would be another futile attempt to win anything.</p>
<p>And the big losers will be &#8211; again &#8211; you and me.</p>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
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		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 05:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gemami (#67):

very good point on collaboration. 
i also believe in politician who are willing to serve its people, to take care of its people, each and every one of us, to listen to us, to understand us. 

i dun quite agree on the point on ignoring accusations during campaign. currently, most of our oppositions are hot-headed. how can we expect them to represent us in the parliament when they get into lawsuit even before walking into the parliament?

if you look at the the pap politicians, i would say not many are good public speakers. but they are calm in interview and during campaign, choosing to answer questions that are in their favor and avoiding questions that may be detrimental to their policies. that&#039;s politics, you must know when to say what&#039;s right. 

the point i&#039;m trying to put across is, we need oppositions who are cool-headed, who can think carefully before they act. it&#039;s not just about fighting their opponents just for the sake of fighting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gemami (#67):</p>
<p>very good point on collaboration.<br />
i also believe in politician who are willing to serve its people, to take care of its people, each and every one of us, to listen to us, to understand us. </p>
<p>i dun quite agree on the point on ignoring accusations during campaign. currently, most of our oppositions are hot-headed. how can we expect them to represent us in the parliament when they get into lawsuit even before walking into the parliament?</p>
<p>if you look at the the pap politicians, i would say not many are good public speakers. but they are calm in interview and during campaign, choosing to answer questions that are in their favor and avoiding questions that may be detrimental to their policies. that&#8217;s politics, you must know when to say what&#8217;s right. </p>
<p>the point i&#8217;m trying to put across is, we need oppositions who are cool-headed, who can think carefully before they act. it&#8217;s not just about fighting their opponents just for the sake of fighting.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gus, i totally disagree with your comments.

if you are only reading the article as a story or like you would a novel and being unfeeling to the characters therein - then, yes; what you say might just be true - that it is not enough to fight the case.

however, we are talking about real people with real lives to live through each day no matter what. every ONE suffering person in this world today is one too many. what more if it is a country with a 1st world economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gus, i totally disagree with your comments.</p>
<p>if you are only reading the article as a story or like you would a novel and being unfeeling to the characters therein &#8211; then, yes; what you say might just be true &#8211; that it is not enough to fight the case.</p>
<p>however, we are talking about real people with real lives to live through each day no matter what. every ONE suffering person in this world today is one too many. what more if it is a country with a 1st world economy.</p>
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		<title>By: Gus</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 04:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hoi Ravi,
two sad stories are not enough to justify any stand relating to the Singapore Dream lah. I know there a lot more sad stories.
I have my sad stories also you know.
But slowly and surely, struggles after struggles - there is still a Singapore Dream to wake up to. 
If no dream, how dream can come true?

Do you know how many of these people who work as administrative assistants, taxi-drivers, laboratory technicians, hawkers and teaching assistants, etc owns HDB flats and are OK? You don&#039;t. So your just two sad stories is not enough to hold water lah...even less to term it as the elusive Singapore Dream.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hoi Ravi,<br />
two sad stories are not enough to justify any stand relating to the Singapore Dream lah. I know there a lot more sad stories.<br />
I have my sad stories also you know.<br />
But slowly and surely, struggles after struggles &#8211; there is still a Singapore Dream to wake up to.<br />
If no dream, how dream can come true?</p>
<p>Do you know how many of these people who work as administrative assistants, taxi-drivers, laboratory technicians, hawkers and teaching assistants, etc owns HDB flats and are OK? You don&#8217;t. So your just two sad stories is not enough to hold water lah&#8230;even less to term it as the elusive Singapore Dream.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 00:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i believe in collaboration. there must be collaboration among the opposition parties - independent candidates included.

the collaboration must be such that each oposition party specifically tackles one or two issues only. 

do your homework, hold discussions with pro-pap supporters to get their opinions and use these information to prepare your counter approach.

each opposition to harp on the same topic they have undertaken throughout the duration of the rally period - best is to plan for complete coverage within 9 days - you&#039;ll get no more than this for sure.

during the hustle and bustle of campaigning, ignore all accusations and threats of law suits - focus just on your attacks. if you are threatened with law suits, you&#039;ll definitely get it no matter what! countering them will only add flame to the fire.

in every past ge, the pap was able to defend its position because the issues tackled by the opposition were too similar. This made it so easy for the pap to counter with its whole machinery and the opposition would then be cornered in no time.

this time the opposition must work to stretch the pap from all directions so that its machinery has to turn to all the directions the opposition is attacking from. When we are able to get all the ministers and their kachang putehs talking, then we might just be able to catch on some slips here and there.

private individuals supporting the opposition&#039;s cause would do well to remember to book the speakers corner as soon as the ge is called. we can then chip in with our 5cents worth of opinions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i believe in collaboration. there must be collaboration among the opposition parties &#8211; independent candidates included.</p>
<p>the collaboration must be such that each oposition party specifically tackles one or two issues only. </p>
<p>do your homework, hold discussions with pro-pap supporters to get their opinions and use these information to prepare your counter approach.</p>
<p>each opposition to harp on the same topic they have undertaken throughout the duration of the rally period &#8211; best is to plan for complete coverage within 9 days &#8211; you&#8217;ll get no more than this for sure.</p>
<p>during the hustle and bustle of campaigning, ignore all accusations and threats of law suits &#8211; focus just on your attacks. if you are threatened with law suits, you&#8217;ll definitely get it no matter what! countering them will only add flame to the fire.</p>
<p>in every past ge, the pap was able to defend its position because the issues tackled by the opposition were too similar. This made it so easy for the pap to counter with its whole machinery and the opposition would then be cornered in no time.</p>
<p>this time the opposition must work to stretch the pap from all directions so that its machinery has to turn to all the directions the opposition is attacking from. When we are able to get all the ministers and their kachang putehs talking, then we might just be able to catch on some slips here and there.</p>
<p>private individuals supporting the opposition&#8217;s cause would do well to remember to book the speakers corner as soon as the ge is called. we can then chip in with our 5cents worth of opinions.</p>
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		<title>By: anon</title>
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		<dc:creator>anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:34:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i don&#039;t think singaporeans can ever vote out the PAP in an election. Not when the rules are changed to their advantage always. 

There are only two recouse for pissed off singaporeans ... civil disobedience or migration. 

Those who can afford will choose to migrate. Like me. 

Those left behind will one day, out of no choice, choose civil disobedience to end it all.

Singaporeans keep saying the opposition is not up to mark. Ask yourself, what has the PAP done these two years that is &quot;up to mark&quot;?

I think that is only an excuse for the inertia. Singaporeans need to be fried up their assholes to really want to do something. 

I predict it will probably take another 5-10 years to reach that level of misery to see something happening in Singapore. 

It is also the time when most likely LKY will not be around. A headless bunch of PAPees with an unhapppy lot of peasants is a very potent mixture for chaos.

It is also why there are more singaporeans leaving ... we don&#039;t want to wait for that day to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i don&#8217;t think singaporeans can ever vote out the PAP in an election. Not when the rules are changed to their advantage always. </p>
<p>There are only two recouse for pissed off singaporeans &#8230; civil disobedience or migration. </p>
<p>Those who can afford will choose to migrate. Like me. </p>
<p>Those left behind will one day, out of no choice, choose civil disobedience to end it all.</p>
<p>Singaporeans keep saying the opposition is not up to mark. Ask yourself, what has the PAP done these two years that is &#8220;up to mark&#8221;?</p>
<p>I think that is only an excuse for the inertia. Singaporeans need to be fried up their assholes to really want to do something. </p>
<p>I predict it will probably take another 5-10 years to reach that level of misery to see something happening in Singapore. </p>
<p>It is also the time when most likely LKY will not be around. A headless bunch of PAPees with an unhapppy lot of peasants is a very potent mixture for chaos.</p>
<p>It is also why there are more singaporeans leaving &#8230; we don&#8217;t want to wait for that day to come.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Someone may wish to examine the &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Iron Triangle&lt;/a&gt; concept too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Someone may wish to examine the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_triangle" rel="nofollow">Iron Triangle</a> concept too.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 17:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe for the party calling itself &quot;world class&quot;, prove it - without dangling carrots that is. I&#039;ve seen enough citizens being turned into asses (donkeys).
They can either:
1. prove themselves by looking lesser into their pockets and actually address the people&#039;s concerns. For telling the people to solve their own problems is like stating the obvious, and I believe we need no such people, unless the general public lacks common sense.
2. be lucky that the next election a walkover - I&#039;m sure everyone has seen this happen many times in history.
So will it be the blue or red pill?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe for the party calling itself &#8220;world class&#8221;, prove it &#8211; without dangling carrots that is. I&#8217;ve seen enough citizens being turned into asses (donkeys).<br />
They can either:<br />
1. prove themselves by looking lesser into their pockets and actually address the people&#8217;s concerns. For telling the people to solve their own problems is like stating the obvious, and I believe we need no such people, unless the general public lacks common sense.<br />
2. be lucky that the next election a walkover &#8211; I&#8217;m sure everyone has seen this happen many times in history.<br />
So will it be the blue or red pill?</p>
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		<title>By: guojun</title>
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		<dc:creator>guojun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:21:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We can wait for Robert Ho to turn up and comment on that last comment...if only it was that easy to uproot the PAP!  Then they wouldn&#039;t be so arrogant in thinking that they can&#039;t be moved!

A loud voice is useless if say ur watching TV and there&#039;s a mute button.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We can wait for Robert Ho to turn up and comment on that last comment&#8230;if only it was that easy to uproot the PAP!  Then they wouldn&#8217;t be so arrogant in thinking that they can&#8217;t be moved!</p>
<p>A loud voice is useless if say ur watching TV and there&#8217;s a mute button.</p>
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		<title>By: ACACIA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACACIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why do we keeping bringing up the same ideas or suggestions   when we know that not much can be  done. Do what I&#039;ve been doing , vote  them the PAP out at your area and start  at the next election. I think by then we will have very credible opposition.
Who raised the prices of HDB flats? Who is incharge, a PAP minister, vote him out and the rest of them! If we are vioceless now, we will have a bigger voice at the next election, collectively.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why do we keeping bringing up the same ideas or suggestions   when we know that not much can be  done. Do what I&#8217;ve been doing , vote  them the PAP out at your area and start  at the next election. I think by then we will have very credible opposition.<br />
Who raised the prices of HDB flats? Who is incharge, a PAP minister, vote him out and the rest of them! If we are vioceless now, we will have a bigger voice at the next election, collectively.</p>
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		<title>By: Powderful</title>
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		<dc:creator>Powderful</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 15:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is the article claiming that the middle class are the new poor in Singapore?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is the article claiming that the middle class are the new poor in Singapore?</p>
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