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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/hdb-and-power-companies-whats-happening/comment-page-2/#comment-99803</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:13:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kruser I am one of those Sinkaporean who had voted with my feet by means of a one way ticket to England.Private life is the same everywhere except in UK, there is true democracy and freedom of speech. I worked hard and make use of  the opportunities here. There are lot of  educational opportunities here for one to part take and quality of life here is mile ahead of Sinkapore. One do not fear to speak one mind and most importance of all the legal system here is fair. Even the police is not above the laws. PAP ( Pay &amp; Pay) regime is a crook regime as bad as those in China. Except this regime used the judicial system to silent all oppositions by making potential opposition candidates bankrupt and hence disqualified to run for election. I had not return to Sinkapore since and will not return until the day LKY goes to meet his maker. With him out of the way, Sinkapore will become Singapore again and people will truly exercise their natural rights as a citizen. God bless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kruser I am one of those Sinkaporean who had voted with my feet by means of a one way ticket to England.Private life is the same everywhere except in UK, there is true democracy and freedom of speech. I worked hard and make use of  the opportunities here. There are lot of  educational opportunities here for one to part take and quality of life here is mile ahead of Sinkapore. One do not fear to speak one mind and most importance of all the legal system here is fair. Even the police is not above the laws. PAP ( Pay &amp; Pay) regime is a crook regime as bad as those in China. Except this regime used the judicial system to silent all oppositions by making potential opposition candidates bankrupt and hence disqualified to run for election. I had not return to Sinkapore since and will not return until the day LKY goes to meet his maker. With him out of the way, Sinkapore will become Singapore again and people will truly exercise their natural rights as a citizen. God bless.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:55:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our Mr Mah says that the HDB flats are heavily being subsidized by the garment but how come an average 5rms flat now cost around 300K +, luckily its heavily subsidized or else must live on roadside instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our Mr Mah says that the HDB flats are heavily being subsidized by the garment but how come an average 5rms flat now cost around 300K +, luckily its heavily subsidized or else must live on roadside instead.</p>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
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		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 09:49:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>for those who are interested in the construction cost of an average standard high rise appartment in singapore, i have found a source (Davis Langdon and Seah Singapore), dated 03/03/2008, which compare it with other countries.

http://www.bca.gov.sg/keyconstructioninfo/others/dls_intl_2q07.pdf

if we take the cost as stated, US$970 psm (ie S$1455 psm), a 5-room flat of size 110 square metre would cost S$160k to build.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for those who are interested in the construction cost of an average standard high rise appartment in singapore, i have found a source (Davis Langdon and Seah Singapore), dated 03/03/2008, which compare it with other countries.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.bca.gov.sg/keyconstructioninfo/others/dls_intl_2q07.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.bca.gov.sg/keyconstructioninfo/others/dls_intl_2q07.pdf</a></p>
<p>if we take the cost as stated, US$970 psm (ie S$1455 psm), a 5-room flat of size 110 square metre would cost S$160k to build.</p>
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		<title>By: Up, up and away</title>
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		<dc:creator>Up, up and away</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:33:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;64) Kruser on October 7th, 2008 2.05 pm 

Sigh…..how long are we gg to be like this?&quot;

As long you can tahan, they will give it to you lah. Supply and demand at  work in its finest form. The mechanism is in place to ensure that all like-minded disagreements are not amplified to a level that connotes wide spread disagreement. 

The magical hand (words) of MSM will make you feel that is alright to &quot;enjoy&quot; the &quot;masochistic pain&quot; of price increases.

Have you ever wondered the peculiar behaviours of some Singaporean customers - that they can concur so happily and speak so agreeably on price increases especially when it is going to hit their pockets. Hopefully the pockets are still around after withstanding the burn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;64) Kruser on October 7th, 2008 2.05 pm </p>
<p>Sigh…..how long are we gg to be like this?&#8221;</p>
<p>As long you can tahan, they will give it to you lah. Supply and demand at  work in its finest form. The mechanism is in place to ensure that all like-minded disagreements are not amplified to a level that connotes wide spread disagreement. </p>
<p>The magical hand (words) of MSM will make you feel that is alright to &#8220;enjoy&#8221; the &#8220;masochistic pain&#8221; of price increases.</p>
<p>Have you ever wondered the peculiar behaviours of some Singaporean customers &#8211; that they can concur so happily and speak so agreeably on price increases especially when it is going to hit their pockets. Hopefully the pockets are still around after withstanding the burn.</p>
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		<title>By: Kruser</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kruser</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 06:05:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i am not wrong the price of natural gas is tag at a premium price because of a water supply agreement our govdement have sign with our friendly neighbour.
Ya i am still thinking why they increase the tariff but still cant find a good reason to justified that. You see the power they have on he media to prepare the public for all the changes they want to make? For example, making more babies all the channels are now showing about babies. Fustrating? yes i believe all of you feeling it. Coping with utilities price increase now they have a program to show u how to save electricity. Get my point? Generally, if you see the Singaporean interviewed on NEWs they all say its ok although it is a bit painful. So that really sum up the views of typical Singaporean. Just like they are gg to increase the home phone line prices, Singaporean are generally ok with it because on TV they want to look good. And that give all the impression of well that ok wat.

Anyway i am abit saddened by the decision the gov make it seem to be out of control. It seems that they want to forced true Singaporean to be out of the country as they have predicted as now there is a series drama on the problem Singaporean face while they are living in foreign country sending this message clear to all Singaporean to think twice before leaving the country. Sigh.....how long are we gg to be like this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i am not wrong the price of natural gas is tag at a premium price because of a water supply agreement our govdement have sign with our friendly neighbour.<br />
Ya i am still thinking why they increase the tariff but still cant find a good reason to justified that. You see the power they have on he media to prepare the public for all the changes they want to make? For example, making more babies all the channels are now showing about babies. Fustrating? yes i believe all of you feeling it. Coping with utilities price increase now they have a program to show u how to save electricity. Get my point? Generally, if you see the Singaporean interviewed on NEWs they all say its ok although it is a bit painful. So that really sum up the views of typical Singaporean. Just like they are gg to increase the home phone line prices, Singaporean are generally ok with it because on TV they want to look good. And that give all the impression of well that ok wat.</p>
<p>Anyway i am abit saddened by the decision the gov make it seem to be out of control. It seems that they want to forced true Singaporean to be out of the country as they have predicted as now there is a series drama on the problem Singaporean face while they are living in foreign country sending this message clear to all Singaporean to think twice before leaving the country. Sigh&#8230;..how long are we gg to be like this?</p>
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		<title>By: tmq</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmq</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 09:38:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The increase in electricity rate is unjustified. They have already made big profits from current rates, moreover the price of oil is forecasted to drop due to the current financial crisis(according to articles in the papers). The people who are running the power companies and the regulatory bodies have explaining to do. They gloss over it by offering subsidies........justify the increase first, forget the subsidy. To those in charge, do not try to get fat bonuses at our expense...this is neither clever nor creative.... just plain sandbagging. Do something to help us manage our current cost of living.......if you cannot do it, let others run the shop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The increase in electricity rate is unjustified. They have already made big profits from current rates, moreover the price of oil is forecasted to drop due to the current financial crisis(according to articles in the papers). The people who are running the power companies and the regulatory bodies have explaining to do. They gloss over it by offering subsidies&#8230;&#8230;..justify the increase first, forget the subsidy. To those in charge, do not try to get fat bonuses at our expense&#8230;this is neither clever nor creative&#8230;. just plain sandbagging. Do something to help us manage our current cost of living&#8230;&#8230;.if you cannot do it, let others run the shop.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahgong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/hdb-and-power-companies-whats-happening/comment-page-2/#comment-23902</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahgong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 16:44:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that the LHL has been stuck in a dillema. He&#039;s always trying to prove that he can implement unfavorable decisions and ideas. BUT, in his brain lock, he has totally forgotten about people.

Look at the recent policies that his team make, kept repeating the same mistake, thinking the ordinary people are stupid. Whenever any policy going to be implemented, they will pretend to let some low level officials to leak out some news. Actually everything is set. Then, let people make noise abit. Then giving some sweeteners, rebate. Then annouced the already decised policy. 

Like GST increment, GST increment is for permant. They giving u that $200, $300 dollars just to let you accept their decision only. In the long run, they knew that they are going to profit much much more. what are $200 $300 ?

Similarly ERP case. They say cutting ther road tax, misc tax, but they knew that they are going to profit much more from the ERP toll. These short term losses is ok to them.

So, same case as electric tariff. They give u some money cos they knew they will get back sooner or later.

I think we better change a better player next election</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that the LHL has been stuck in a dillema. He&#8217;s always trying to prove that he can implement unfavorable decisions and ideas. BUT, in his brain lock, he has totally forgotten about people.</p>
<p>Look at the recent policies that his team make, kept repeating the same mistake, thinking the ordinary people are stupid. Whenever any policy going to be implemented, they will pretend to let some low level officials to leak out some news. Actually everything is set. Then, let people make noise abit. Then giving some sweeteners, rebate. Then annouced the already decised policy. </p>
<p>Like GST increment, GST increment is for permant. They giving u that $200, $300 dollars just to let you accept their decision only. In the long run, they knew that they are going to profit much much more. what are $200 $300 ?</p>
<p>Similarly ERP case. They say cutting ther road tax, misc tax, but they knew that they are going to profit much more from the ERP toll. These short term losses is ok to them.</p>
<p>So, same case as electric tariff. They give u some money cos they knew they will get back sooner or later.</p>
<p>I think we better change a better player next election</p>
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		<title>By: joehancl</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/hdb-and-power-companies-whats-happening/comment-page-2/#comment-23897</link>
		<dc:creator>joehancl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 14:51:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whichever way you look at it, I say SG. is a police state in very subtle forms. The govt. has all the facts, the media, etc in control. They can manipulate all things, having the power and money to buy the best brains.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whichever way you look at it, I say SG. is a police state in very subtle forms. The govt. has all the facts, the media, etc in control. They can manipulate all things, having the power and money to buy the best brains.</p>
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		<title>By: victor</title>
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		<dc:creator>victor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 05:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wow...

ammmm....

GOv increase electricity fees to 22% but actually was 23.54% if u check...

so the purpose is to tell WE to DON USE WATER AND ELECTRICITY anymore right,..same as ERP method..
if GOV WANT WE SINGaporeans like tat.

i think goV should
INCREASE

1)2000% of electricity and water fees.
2)ERP increase to $50,when u enter in..
3) fuel =$3per litr
4) COE to 50K per car.

STILL HAVE MORE ...........................................................................

so singaporeans REALLY THANK THEM...
AND THE COMING ELECTION,,,HEHEHE&gt;&gt;&gt;..
&quot;GIVE RID OF SINGAPOREANS SIGHT&quot;...

gov solve many problem just to INCREASE FEES FEES FEES...
AND THEY SAY,we HAVE CLEVER PP TO OPERATE GOV SYSTEM..
so i really see clever pp operate sing...AHHAHA.

sing gov V RICH,BUT CITIZEN V POOR,,,
GOV salary V high can leh,u guy AR,DON CARE LAH&gt;&gt;....&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;

AND DON ANYHOW VOTES TO ANY PARTY,,,,SHOULD THINK TAT WHICH PARTY IS GOOD FOR THEM....THEN THEY VOTE TO TAT PARTY..

increase INCREASE INCREASE...
HAPPY GOV,UNHAPPY CITIZEN...DON CARE!!hahahs...

WE PAY TO GOV PP SALARY,
SO GOV SHOULD FOCUS ON DEVELOP THIS COUNTRY,,

NOT TAKING OUR MONEY TO INVEST OTHER COUNTRY.and doing business..
they invest other country,we did not have any benefit.!!
IS it NOT FAIR TOWARDS THE SINGAPOREANS AND BUSINESS MAN..

JUST BENEFIT TO ,.........U GUY USE YR BRAIN AND THINK BA...

STAND UP.STAND UP FOR SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STAND UP.STAND UP FOR SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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@young generation@</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wow&#8230;</p>
<p>ammmm&#8230;.</p>
<p>GOv increase electricity fees to 22% but actually was 23.54% if u check&#8230;</p>
<p>so the purpose is to tell WE to DON USE WATER AND ELECTRICITY anymore right,..same as ERP method..<br />
if GOV WANT WE SINGaporeans like tat.</p>
<p>i think goV should<br />
INCREASE</p>
<p>1)2000% of electricity and water fees.<br />
2)ERP increase to $50,when u enter in..<br />
3) fuel =$3per litr<br />
4) COE to 50K per car.</p>
<p>STILL HAVE MORE &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>so singaporeans REALLY THANK THEM&#8230;<br />
AND THE COMING ELECTION,,,HEHEHE&gt;&gt;&gt;..<br />
&#8220;GIVE RID OF SINGAPOREANS SIGHT&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>gov solve many problem just to INCREASE FEES FEES FEES&#8230;<br />
AND THEY SAY,we HAVE CLEVER PP TO OPERATE GOV SYSTEM..<br />
so i really see clever pp operate sing&#8230;AHHAHA.</p>
<p>sing gov V RICH,BUT CITIZEN V POOR,,,<br />
GOV salary V high can leh,u guy AR,DON CARE LAH&gt;&gt;&#8230;.&lt;&lt;&gt;&gt;</p>
<p>AND DON ANYHOW VOTES TO ANY PARTY,,,,SHOULD THINK TAT WHICH PARTY IS GOOD FOR THEM&#8230;.THEN THEY VOTE TO TAT PARTY..</p>
<p>increase INCREASE INCREASE&#8230;<br />
HAPPY GOV,UNHAPPY CITIZEN&#8230;DON CARE!!hahahs&#8230;</p>
<p>WE PAY TO GOV PP SALARY,<br />
SO GOV SHOULD FOCUS ON DEVELOP THIS COUNTRY,,</p>
<p>NOT TAKING OUR MONEY TO INVEST OTHER COUNTRY.and doing business..<br />
they invest other country,we did not have any benefit.!!<br />
IS it NOT FAIR TOWARDS THE SINGAPOREANS AND BUSINESS MAN..</p>
<p>JUST BENEFIT TO ,&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;U GUY USE YR BRAIN AND THINK BA&#8230;</p>
<p>STAND UP.STAND UP FOR SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
STAND UP.STAND UP FOR SINGAPORE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!<br />
from:<br />
@young generation@</p>
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		<title>By: blowme</title>
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		<dc:creator>blowme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This government is testing the citizens&#039; tolerance for pain and hardship. 
So far most citizens seem to be able to endure the pressure. 
Perhaps this govt needs to find out the citizens&#039; threshold and at the same time collect lots of money for their coffer. 
The bright side to all these increments is that the pro PAP supporters will also share the same misery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This government is testing the citizens&#8217; tolerance for pain and hardship.<br />
So far most citizens seem to be able to endure the pressure.<br />
Perhaps this govt needs to find out the citizens&#8217; threshold and at the same time collect lots of money for their coffer.<br />
The bright side to all these increments is that the pro PAP supporters will also share the same misery.</p>
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		<title>By: Rushking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rushking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 03:00:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It beats me - I just cannot figure out how the govt calculate or justify this 21 percent hefty increase in our electricity bills. I feel the pinch and this really hurts my pocket like most people here. The hawker food centres will also want to increase prices because now their electricity bills getting more expensive and so on, and so on....HELP !!

21 % increase is really no joke man. It&#039;s like being hit by a big truck when you read about such an increase in the papers. What has this to do with selling Tuas Power Station to China and Senoko Power Station to Japanese bidders ?? Will this increase mean more profits to these new foreign owners or what?? Can the govt consider instead to stagger the increase gradually so that we, the ordinary folks, can digest the higer costs to our living - so we can breathe a little??? And should the govt calculate the electricity costs based on the drop in recent oil price instead???  Oil price is going down so how come electricity price is going UP ??

If the 21% increase is pegged to the oil price fluctuations - I need to ask : the oil price today has dropped to USD96 to USD 100 per barrel from the High of USD147 per barrel recently but Singapore is increasing electricity charges instead of dropping the charges???. Everywhere I am reading about the fall in oil price happening now due to the Recession in the USA which means drop in oil consumption which means cheaper oil costs??? Can someone help to explain why this electricity  costs increase and so fierce increase of 21% ?? Maybe our govt has very good reasons which we may not know??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It beats me &#8211; I just cannot figure out how the govt calculate or justify this 21 percent hefty increase in our electricity bills. I feel the pinch and this really hurts my pocket like most people here. The hawker food centres will also want to increase prices because now their electricity bills getting more expensive and so on, and so on&#8230;.HELP !!</p>
<p>21 % increase is really no joke man. It&#8217;s like being hit by a big truck when you read about such an increase in the papers. What has this to do with selling Tuas Power Station to China and Senoko Power Station to Japanese bidders ?? Will this increase mean more profits to these new foreign owners or what?? Can the govt consider instead to stagger the increase gradually so that we, the ordinary folks, can digest the higer costs to our living &#8211; so we can breathe a little??? And should the govt calculate the electricity costs based on the drop in recent oil price instead???  Oil price is going down so how come electricity price is going UP ??</p>
<p>If the 21% increase is pegged to the oil price fluctuations &#8211; I need to ask : the oil price today has dropped to USD96 to USD 100 per barrel from the High of USD147 per barrel recently but Singapore is increasing electricity charges instead of dropping the charges???. Everywhere I am reading about the fall in oil price happening now due to the Recession in the USA which means drop in oil consumption which means cheaper oil costs??? Can someone help to explain why this electricity  costs increase and so fierce increase of 21% ?? Maybe our govt has very good reasons which we may not know??</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Moderator(s);

please help me to correct a spelling mistake in &#039;moniters&#039; to monitors, if t can be done.

Many thanks from: patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Moderator(s);</p>
<p>please help me to correct a spelling mistake in &#8216;moniters&#8217; to monitors, if t can be done.</p>
<p>Many thanks from: patriot</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 02:26:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>May I add here that the writings here are for the enlightenments of readers and engagements with our leaders.

 I am sure the Leadership monitors and read TOC and if it takes no action to refute the many(too many in fact) allegations here, I take it that it means the allegations stand. When the complaints are true and legitimate and no action is taken by the Leadershipship to rectify them or make amends, it is clear signs of neglect, negligence  and failures of duties by the Relevant Authorities.

When the Leadership is mandated(by the people it says) to take care of the country and its&#039; citizens, showing apathy and fleecing its&#039; people are the greatest sins that it has(as a duty/propriety) to avoid at all cost.

We maybe powerless to fight the Oligarchy, HOWEVER, WE CERTAINLY AND DEFINITELY HAVE THE DUTIES TO EXPOSE INJUSTICE, INCOMPETENCE AND IMMORALITY.

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>May I add here that the writings here are for the enlightenments of readers and engagements with our leaders.</p>
<p> I am sure the Leadership monitors and read TOC and if it takes no action to refute the many(too many in fact) allegations here, I take it that it means the allegations stand. When the complaints are true and legitimate and no action is taken by the Leadershipship to rectify them or make amends, it is clear signs of neglect, negligence  and failures of duties by the Relevant Authorities.</p>
<p>When the Leadership is mandated(by the people it says) to take care of the country and its&#8217; citizens, showing apathy and fleecing its&#8217; people are the greatest sins that it has(as a duty/propriety) to avoid at all cost.</p>
<p>We maybe powerless to fight the Oligarchy, HOWEVER, WE CERTAINLY AND DEFINITELY HAVE THE DUTIES TO EXPOSE INJUSTICE, INCOMPETENCE AND IMMORALITY.</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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		<title>By: sobri</title>
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		<dc:creator>sobri</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Oct 2008 01:50:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much has been said about the unexpected increase of electricity rate of 21% at the time when fuel price is tumbling.............especially in the press like The Straits Times.

Has anyone actually calculated the percentage increase of The Straits Times itself? 

Interestingly, there seem to be no complaint about that increase!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much has been said about the unexpected increase of electricity rate of 21% at the time when fuel price is tumbling&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.especially in the press like The Straits Times.</p>
<p>Has anyone actually calculated the percentage increase of The Straits Times itself? </p>
<p>Interestingly, there seem to be no complaint about that increase!</p>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
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		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 17:13:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>tiredsgrean, it&#039;s shd be wat are we singaporeans gg to do abt tt. sg belongs to each and everyone of us, n we shall decide how sg shd be run. 

the govt haf bn talking abt a govt tt&#039;s open to public&#039;s views. i notice tt some pts brought up by our citizens might be highlighted by the media, but the public is usually &quot;pacified&quot; after a unsatisfactory reply by the authority. 

i was an &quot;obedient&quot; citizen, who dun usually speak up even when unjustice is done. but the recent price hikes are unbearable. the electricity tariff hike, an essential utility, is the limit, esp when sg power is making so much profit every year. i&#039;m sure our people feel the pinch as well.

u asked wat can be done?

Firstly, we can create awareness to the public on the price hike (if they not already know), and study the effects on our people. We cant just rave and rant on the issues, but also to find support for our cause.

Then, we can bring it up to the relevant authorities. It&#039;s pointless to get provoked over the incident, instead when we make our voices heard, we propose wat can be done and should be done to help our citizens. (Reduction of tariff is one of the option.) We present what the majority of the sg&#039;rean think. 

I hope the authorities will listen to our people and understand our people. 

To create awareness and getting feedbacks from the public, one of the possible mean is thru talk at Hong Lim Park. I do hope someone could empower our people at Hong Lim Park, just like what our columnists Mr Leong and others have done for the recent transport fare hike.

I&#039;ve proposed posting links to reports, statements, and your point of views for the incident. All these will definitely help in our fight for our cause.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>tiredsgrean, it&#8217;s shd be wat are we singaporeans gg to do abt tt. sg belongs to each and everyone of us, n we shall decide how sg shd be run. </p>
<p>the govt haf bn talking abt a govt tt&#8217;s open to public&#8217;s views. i notice tt some pts brought up by our citizens might be highlighted by the media, but the public is usually &#8220;pacified&#8221; after a unsatisfactory reply by the authority. </p>
<p>i was an &#8220;obedient&#8221; citizen, who dun usually speak up even when unjustice is done. but the recent price hikes are unbearable. the electricity tariff hike, an essential utility, is the limit, esp when sg power is making so much profit every year. i&#8217;m sure our people feel the pinch as well.</p>
<p>u asked wat can be done?</p>
<p>Firstly, we can create awareness to the public on the price hike (if they not already know), and study the effects on our people. We cant just rave and rant on the issues, but also to find support for our cause.</p>
<p>Then, we can bring it up to the relevant authorities. It&#8217;s pointless to get provoked over the incident, instead when we make our voices heard, we propose wat can be done and should be done to help our citizens. (Reduction of tariff is one of the option.) We present what the majority of the sg&#8217;rean think. </p>
<p>I hope the authorities will listen to our people and understand our people. </p>
<p>To create awareness and getting feedbacks from the public, one of the possible mean is thru talk at Hong Lim Park. I do hope someone could empower our people at Hong Lim Park, just like what our columnists Mr Leong and others have done for the recent transport fare hike.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve proposed posting links to reports, statements, and your point of views for the incident. All these will definitely help in our fight for our cause.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/hdb-and-power-companies-whats-happening/comment-page-2/#comment-23826</link>
		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:35:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I observed that everythime when there is a price increase in certain garment related issues which most of them are of course unjustified, all they do was just tell you some bull stories and they just go ahead and collect their $$$. They dun even give a damn on what the citizens think. All these has been happening once too many time already, not a new thing anyway. So,. . . . what are you citizens of Singapore going to do about this????</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I observed that everythime when there is a price increase in certain garment related issues which most of them are of course unjustified, all they do was just tell you some bull stories and they just go ahead and collect their $$$. They dun even give a damn on what the citizens think. All these has been happening once too many time already, not a new thing anyway. So,. . . . what are you citizens of Singapore going to do about this????</p>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/hdb-and-power-companies-whats-happening/comment-page-2/#comment-23825</link>
		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:22:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These are some links to reports, that show sg is buying natural gas from indonesia:

Herald, 1999: http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/09/22/singas.2.t.php 
SP Power, 2002: http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/publish/PR/Files/Approve/PR17_7243.html
energy use, a comprehensive report on indonesia&#039;s gas transmission:
http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/econ/natural_gas2003.html
(seems to suggest rate might be fixed at time of negotiation of contract)
Jarkata Post, 2008: http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/04/16/ri-secures-best-deal-gas-contract-singapore.html
EMA news on LNG procurement: http://www.ema.gov.sg/gas/gas_lng.php

HOpe all these help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These are some links to reports, that show sg is buying natural gas from indonesia:</p>
<p>Herald, 1999: <a href="http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/09/22/singas.2.t.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.iht.com/articles/1999/09/22/singas.2.t.php</a><br />
SP Power, 2002: <a href="http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/publish/PR/Files/Approve/PR17_7243.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/publish/PR/Files/Approve/PR17_7243.html</a><br />
energy use, a comprehensive report on indonesia&#8217;s gas transmission:<br />
<a href="http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/econ/natural_gas2003.html" rel="nofollow">http://jakarta.usembassy.gov/econ/natural_gas2003.html</a><br />
(seems to suggest rate might be fixed at time of negotiation of contract)<br />
Jarkata Post, 2008: <a href="http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/04/16/ri-secures-best-deal-gas-contract-singapore.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.thejakartapost.com/news/2008/04/16/ri-secures-best-deal-gas-contract-singapore.html</a><br />
EMA news on LNG procurement: <a href="http://www.ema.gov.sg/gas/gas_lng.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ema.gov.sg/gas/gas_lng.php</a></p>
<p>HOpe all these help.</p>
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		<title>By: blade</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/hdb-and-power-companies-whats-happening/comment-page-2/#comment-23823</link>
		<dc:creator>blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 16:14:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>this is sing power financial statement for 2007/2008: http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/pdf/pdf0708/SP_AR_2007_Financial.pdf
those who can read it might wanna look thru it and comment on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>this is sing power financial statement for 2007/2008: <a href="http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/pdf/pdf0708/SP_AR_2007_Financial.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.singaporepower.com.sg/pdf/pdf0708/SP_AR_2007_Financial.pdf</a><br />
those who can read it might wanna look thru it and comment on it.</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/hdb-and-power-companies-whats-happening/comment-page-1/#comment-23818</link>
		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:47:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many Singaporeans are asking themselves whether they will be able to survive, amongst their greatest worries are whether investors and tourists will come in view of the high costs and still rising. And we do not understand why essential goods and services seem to hike so very frequently though the Operators are making tons of money. Is it not possible to keep profit margins lower to stabilize their pricings to consumers? 

Despite the ever falling low pays of local menial workers, their employers gave their(Singaporeans) jobs to foreigners the moment they(employers) are approved to employ foreign workers. Poor(financially/qualification) middle-aged and above Singaporeans face great difficulties finding jobs, many resorted to illegal hawkings of fruits, audio/video disc, duty unpaid cigarettes and runnings of illegal gamblings. Many are literally forced into illegal activities by circumstances beyond their controls.

 The Reason Offered for the 21% increase in cost of electricity supply to local consumers peg to oil price fluctuations is indeed ridiculous when the generation of power is 80% natural gas driven as disclosed(in discussions here) at a much lower operating cost.

Singaporeans have always been very compliant but many commoners are driven to despair by costs of livings and there are dangers that most of them may not be able to clear the wall before them, if driven up the wall so to say.

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many Singaporeans are asking themselves whether they will be able to survive, amongst their greatest worries are whether investors and tourists will come in view of the high costs and still rising. And we do not understand why essential goods and services seem to hike so very frequently though the Operators are making tons of money. Is it not possible to keep profit margins lower to stabilize their pricings to consumers? </p>
<p>Despite the ever falling low pays of local menial workers, their employers gave their(Singaporeans) jobs to foreigners the moment they(employers) are approved to employ foreign workers. Poor(financially/qualification) middle-aged and above Singaporeans face great difficulties finding jobs, many resorted to illegal hawkings of fruits, audio/video disc, duty unpaid cigarettes and runnings of illegal gamblings. Many are literally forced into illegal activities by circumstances beyond their controls.</p>
<p> The Reason Offered for the 21% increase in cost of electricity supply to local consumers peg to oil price fluctuations is indeed ridiculous when the generation of power is 80% natural gas driven as disclosed(in discussions here) at a much lower operating cost.</p>
<p>Singaporeans have always been very compliant but many commoners are driven to despair by costs of livings and there are dangers that most of them may not be able to clear the wall before them, if driven up the wall so to say.</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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		<title>By: Rushking</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rushking</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:43:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We complain that 21 percent increase in electricity tariff or charges is a mind-blowing &quot;Quantum Leap&quot; ?? Or a real killer?

But before we criticize, let&#039;s be fair to the government - their job is not easy you know. First there is the F1 where they spent $150 million. Then there is the Beijing Olympics where these ping-pong players got to be paid something like $200k each for silver medal win. All these glory and national pride cost money, and it is not cheap you know, so how to raise all these money to pay for all these??

Then let&#039;s digress a little to the increase in Newspaper prices -  only 10 cts more per day for Straits Times - except that Saturday&#039;s is 20 cts more because on Saturdays they got to cut down more trees to give you one damn heavy stack of papers that you mostly don&#039;t need. The real problem now is with the Electricity costs up 21 percent from October, how can SPH &quot;tahan&quot; because the printing machines eat lots of electricity. So we must not complain about the immediate 10 cts or 20cts increase per day because SPH will real soon come back to tell us the Electricity costs will have to be passed to the readers again ! Good news reporting is not cheap you know. Also, the reporters need a pay increase because they got to pay higher home  electricity bills - and so on and so on until the inflation monster eat all of us alive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We complain that 21 percent increase in electricity tariff or charges is a mind-blowing &#8220;Quantum Leap&#8221; ?? Or a real killer?</p>
<p>But before we criticize, let&#8217;s be fair to the government &#8211; their job is not easy you know. First there is the F1 where they spent $150 million. Then there is the Beijing Olympics where these ping-pong players got to be paid something like $200k each for silver medal win. All these glory and national pride cost money, and it is not cheap you know, so how to raise all these money to pay for all these??</p>
<p>Then let&#8217;s digress a little to the increase in Newspaper prices &#8211;  only 10 cts more per day for Straits Times &#8211; except that Saturday&#8217;s is 20 cts more because on Saturdays they got to cut down more trees to give you one damn heavy stack of papers that you mostly don&#8217;t need. The real problem now is with the Electricity costs up 21 percent from October, how can SPH &#8220;tahan&#8221; because the printing machines eat lots of electricity. So we must not complain about the immediate 10 cts or 20cts increase per day because SPH will real soon come back to tell us the Electricity costs will have to be passed to the readers again ! Good news reporting is not cheap you know. Also, the reporters need a pay increase because they got to pay higher home  electricity bills &#8211; and so on and so on until the inflation monster eat all of us alive.</p>
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