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	<title>Comments on: Sudden removal of herb garden heartless, says resident</title>
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		<title>By: george</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/sudden-removal-of-herb-garden-heartless-says-resident/comment-page-2/#comment-96438</link>
		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Aug 2009 11:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is most uncaring and heavy handed , a reflection of society at large or it is just an over zealous town hall official? Keeping the old folk occupied and happy is just what is needed to keep them healthy. It cause the state practically nothing to allow them to plant a few herbs on a piece of land that had no other uses. Maybe the town hall want to spend their budget to plant a few flowers and keep the FT occupied? Very sad. The Sinkapore I loved and grow up  in is no longer the same. Government  longer consult and care about its citizen.They just do what they think is best regardless about the benefits of their action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is most uncaring and heavy handed , a reflection of society at large or it is just an over zealous town hall official? Keeping the old folk occupied and happy is just what is needed to keep them healthy. It cause the state practically nothing to allow them to plant a few herbs on a piece of land that had no other uses. Maybe the town hall want to spend their budget to plant a few flowers and keep the FT occupied? Very sad. The Sinkapore I loved and grow up  in is no longer the same. Government  longer consult and care about its citizen.They just do what they think is best regardless about the benefits of their action.</p>
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		<title>By: Chew</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/sudden-removal-of-herb-garden-heartless-says-resident/comment-page-2/#comment-32586</link>
		<dc:creator>Chew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 04:20:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OMG! 21 years and they just noticed the rats and demolished the garden because of that? Really world class eh. 

- Did the alleged &quot;rats&quot; caused any problem at all? 
- Did the alleged &quot;rats&quot; caused any problem at all In the past 21 years? 
- Did the alleged &quot;rats&quot; have a permit to gather at the herb garden?
- Had the police interrogated those alleged &quot;rats&quot;?
- Was any video footage taken as evidence of those alleged &quot;rats&quot; for gathering without a permit?
- When will the alleged problem causing &quot;rats&quot; be charged for illegal assembly?
-  Had those &quot;rats&quot; causing problem been arrested?
- Was those rats wearing kangaroo T-shirts?
- Why not just get rid of the rats instead? Send in some cats.
- Is this just an excuse to get rid of the seniors, instead of the rats?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OMG! 21 years and they just noticed the rats and demolished the garden because of that? Really world class eh. </p>
<p>- Did the alleged &#8220;rats&#8221; caused any problem at all?<br />
- Did the alleged &#8220;rats&#8221; caused any problem at all In the past 21 years?<br />
- Did the alleged &#8220;rats&#8221; have a permit to gather at the herb garden?<br />
- Had the police interrogated those alleged &#8220;rats&#8221;?<br />
- Was any video footage taken as evidence of those alleged &#8220;rats&#8221; for gathering without a permit?<br />
- When will the alleged problem causing &#8220;rats&#8221; be charged for illegal assembly?<br />
-  Had those &#8220;rats&#8221; causing problem been arrested?<br />
- Was those rats wearing kangaroo T-shirts?<br />
- Why not just get rid of the rats instead? Send in some cats.<br />
- Is this just an excuse to get rid of the seniors, instead of the rats?</p>
<p>= =</p>
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		<title>By: theonlinecitizen</title>
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		<dc:creator>theonlinecitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:18:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gemami,

We&#039;re trying to get confirmation from the town council that the comment was indeed posted by its manager, Mr Goh.

Once we have confirmation, we&#039;ll put it up as a separate post.

Regards,
Andrew Loh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gemami,</p>
<p>We&#8217;re trying to get confirmation from the town council that the comment was indeed posted by its manager, Mr Goh.</p>
<p>Once we have confirmation, we&#8217;ll put it up as a separate post.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Andrew Loh</p>
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		<title>By: Observer (SG-HK)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Observer (SG-HK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believed the sadness is not so much of the destruction of the herbs garden, more so are the amount of effort (21 years of it), the rarely seen Community Camaraderie (in these days where people are mostly gears towards materialism and with very selfish mindset). Even the compassion is lacking. How sad can this be? Very, indeed.

Even if now they (TCs) are willing to allow the replanitng (assuming a sort of happy ending), the fact that 21 years of warmth and care not only to the plants but within the community who lives in is not going to be the same. The fact that there will always be people who do not appreciate nature (well, by and large most uncompassionate people falls into this category). 

Hopefully those people working in the TC as well as edgy residents do spare a thought on what was been through before making an otherwise unnecessary complain because of some rodents (they too have a right to live in this sick planet earth). Try not to be so dogmatic and exercise more conscience. Considerate, Passion and Kindness certainly will help build a better nation of people with compassion.

On behalf of all fellow senior citizens, hhanks again to Rafiz.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believed the sadness is not so much of the destruction of the herbs garden, more so are the amount of effort (21 years of it), the rarely seen Community Camaraderie (in these days where people are mostly gears towards materialism and with very selfish mindset). Even the compassion is lacking. How sad can this be? Very, indeed.</p>
<p>Even if now they (TCs) are willing to allow the replanitng (assuming a sort of happy ending), the fact that 21 years of warmth and care not only to the plants but within the community who lives in is not going to be the same. The fact that there will always be people who do not appreciate nature (well, by and large most uncompassionate people falls into this category). </p>
<p>Hopefully those people working in the TC as well as edgy residents do spare a thought on what was been through before making an otherwise unnecessary complain because of some rodents (they too have a right to live in this sick planet earth). Try not to be so dogmatic and exercise more conscience. Considerate, Passion and Kindness certainly will help build a better nation of people with compassion.</p>
<p>On behalf of all fellow senior citizens, hhanks again to Rafiz.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:56:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>62) CRUXGOD

now......how come i didn&#039;t think of that :)


TOC, 
what happened to the explanation letter from AMK TC?.
My post #60, was in reply to the letter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>62) CRUXGOD</p>
<p>now&#8230;&#8230;how come i didn&#8217;t think of that :)</p>
<p>TOC,<br />
what happened to the explanation letter from AMK TC?.<br />
My post #60, was in reply to the letter.</p>
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		<title>By: A Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:49:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafiz

I hope this this will have a happy ending. And thanks for hellping the elderly articulate their sadness and anger.

That zone chairman&#039;s email was apalling. You shld pass on his email to the MPs. They shld be concerned. It is people like him that give the PAP a bad name: not that they smell sweet in the first place. 

And you shouldn&#039;t be so gentlemanly by omitting his name in yr posting. People in area ought to know that guy is mini-emperor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafiz</p>
<p>I hope this this will have a happy ending. And thanks for hellping the elderly articulate their sadness and anger.</p>
<p>That zone chairman&#8217;s email was apalling. You shld pass on his email to the MPs. They shld be concerned. It is people like him that give the PAP a bad name: not that they smell sweet in the first place. </p>
<p>And you shouldn&#8217;t be so gentlemanly by omitting his name in yr posting. People in area ought to know that guy is mini-emperor.</p>
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		<title>By: CRUXGOD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CRUXGOD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:25:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi genami..

mayb its some cronies from the rc or something..now en bloc fever so hot, they might wanna build a 20th storey shopping centre there on the old garden</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi genami..</p>
<p>mayb its some cronies from the rc or something..now en bloc fever so hot, they might wanna build a 20th storey shopping centre there on the old garden</p>
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		<title>By: CRUXGOD</title>
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		<dc:creator>CRUXGOD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:22:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if anyone noticed the reply from TOC...
big junk of words.....

did anyone noticed, there is no usage of the words...

&quot;regret /apologise/sorry.&quot;

yet they still turn the arrows n taiji back to u...

so much for self motiativation...basically they are saying now 

&#039;i didnt ask the old ah peks n ah ma to grow plants/herbs,its they kpo,if they wan to grow plants, they must photocopy their ic n submit within 3 working days to us for approval.so if plants remove, its NOT MY BUSINESS...&#039;&#039;

i think the monkeys are just missing the point about this whole issue....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if anyone noticed the reply from TOC&#8230;<br />
big junk of words&#8230;..</p>
<p>did anyone noticed, there is no usage of the words&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;regret /apologise/sorry.&#8221;</p>
<p>yet they still turn the arrows n taiji back to u&#8230;</p>
<p>so much for self motiativation&#8230;basically they are saying now </p>
<p>&#8216;i didnt ask the old ah peks n ah ma to grow plants/herbs,its they kpo,if they wan to grow plants, they must photocopy their ic n submit within 3 working days to us for approval.so if plants remove, its NOT MY BUSINESS&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>i think the monkeys are just missing the point about this whole issue&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/sudden-removal-of-herb-garden-heartless-says-resident/comment-page-2/#comment-28490</link>
		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done TOC, your profile has just gone up a few more notches.

Let&#039;s keep going!  ........... vroom!.......vroom!..........

We now wait for Rafiz to comment ............</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done TOC, your profile has just gone up a few more notches.</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s keep going!  &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. vroom!&#8230;&#8230;.vroom!&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>We now wait for Rafiz to comment &#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: mina</title>
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		<dc:creator>mina</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:51:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#47 and #56

Seem like a trend:

Old Folks playing cards - REMOVE STONE TABLES AND CHAIRS.

Garden with rodents - REMOVE GARDEN.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#47 and #56</p>
<p>Seem like a trend:</p>
<p>Old Folks playing cards &#8211; REMOVE STONE TABLES AND CHAIRS.</p>
<p>Garden with rodents &#8211; REMOVE GARDEN.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:40:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>55) cruxgod 

did anyone ask who made the phone call?
i have a hunch the call must have came from LBH.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>55) cruxgod </p>
<p>did anyone ask who made the phone call?<br />
i have a hunch the call must have came from LBH.</p>
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		<title>By: ihatedbs</title>
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		<dc:creator>ihatedbs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt; “Garden with rodent problem - REMOVE THE GARDEN.”&lt;/i&gt; - Putra (#56)

And I thought the MPs are the rats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i> “Garden with rodent problem &#8211; REMOVE THE GARDEN.”</i> &#8211; Putra (#56)</p>
<p>And I thought the MPs are the rats.</p>
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		<title>By: putra</title>
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		<dc:creator>putra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Oct 2008 02:20:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a 1st class solution to solve a problem.

 &quot;Garden with rodent problem - REMOVE THE GARDEN.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a 1st class solution to solve a problem.</p>
<p> &#8220;Garden with rodent problem &#8211; REMOVE THE GARDEN.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: cruxgod</title>
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		<dc:creator>cruxgod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 06:13:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>its really sad. that people are now not required to think. the interpersonal eq between people have also stooped into a new low. seriously, just because of a phone call, the the next day the herbs are removed?

1)did the relevant town councils staff even go down and investigate?
2)after 22 yrs of no issues then suddenly the TC went bonkers?
3)where was the level of human interaction or communication?
4)i may agree, rules might have not been followed regarding the growing of plants/herd, but shouldnt they have look at the positives it has created?so much for active aging....this just reeks of not practising what u preach.
5) lets look it at another angle, if this have happened at say a upper class bukit timah estate , would the same have happened?

my guess is as good as yours....

the TC is unfortunatley going 2 just sweep this under the carpet, or just some big words to justify the means of action.in myammar, they oppress ppl freedom, in singapore they oppress even your words and also your ability to think..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>its really sad. that people are now not required to think. the interpersonal eq between people have also stooped into a new low. seriously, just because of a phone call, the the next day the herbs are removed?</p>
<p>1)did the relevant town councils staff even go down and investigate?<br />
2)after 22 yrs of no issues then suddenly the TC went bonkers?<br />
3)where was the level of human interaction or communication?<br />
4)i may agree, rules might have not been followed regarding the growing of plants/herd, but shouldnt they have look at the positives it has created?so much for active aging&#8230;.this just reeks of not practising what u preach.<br />
5) lets look it at another angle, if this have happened at say a upper class bukit timah estate , would the same have happened?</p>
<p>my guess is as good as yours&#8230;.</p>
<p>the TC is unfortunatley going 2 just sweep this under the carpet, or just some big words to justify the means of action.in myammar, they oppress ppl freedom, in singapore they oppress even your words and also your ability to think..</p>
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		<title>By: A-Team stands for Arrow Team</title>
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		<dc:creator>A-Team stands for Arrow Team</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 01:10:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;in STTA: sack first talk later
in NSS: Demolish first talk later
what next?&lt;/i&gt; - theworld (#50)

In Army: dunk first, talk later
In Navy: collide first, talk later
In Banks: mis-sell first, talk later
In CPF Annuity Scheme: Die first, talk later
In Healthcare: mean-testing first, treat later</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>in STTA: sack first talk later<br />
in NSS: Demolish first talk later<br />
what next?</i> &#8211; theworld (#50)</p>
<p>In Army: dunk first, talk later<br />
In Navy: collide first, talk later<br />
In Banks: mis-sell first, talk later<br />
In CPF Annuity Scheme: Die first, talk later<br />
In Healthcare: mean-testing first, treat later</p>
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		<title>By: 123</title>
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		<dc:creator>123</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 17:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>thumbs up to you for finding the justice in our unfair society

too many things have been done with regards to the citizen&#039;s voice
it is obvious that little thoughts have been put into it to solve the source of the problems- rodents. Herb gardens are not the cause of rodents, town councils or even HDB should consult pest control expert on how to solve it instead of blindly removing the garden.

i hope more of this can be done to make our society a better place to live in</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>thumbs up to you for finding the justice in our unfair society</p>
<p>too many things have been done with regards to the citizen&#8217;s voice<br />
it is obvious that little thoughts have been put into it to solve the source of the problems- rodents. Herb gardens are not the cause of rodents, town councils or even HDB should consult pest control expert on how to solve it instead of blindly removing the garden.</p>
<p>i hope more of this can be done to make our society a better place to live in</p>
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		<title>By: patriot</title>
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		<dc:creator>patriot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:18:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>gemami(Post#36)

Thank You for the support!

patriot</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>gemami(Post#36)</p>
<p>Thank You for the support!</p>
<p>patriot</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 10:50:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rafiz, just saw you on tv - handsome man - way to go!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rafiz, just saw you on tv &#8211; handsome man &#8211; way to go!</p>
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		<title>By: theworld</title>
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		<dc:creator>theworld</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>in STTA: sack first talk later
in NSS: Demolish first talk later
what next?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>in STTA: sack first talk later<br />
in NSS: Demolish first talk later<br />
what next?</p>
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		<title>By: theworldisunfair</title>
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		<dc:creator>theworldisunfair</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 06:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>maybe there is mosquito breeding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>maybe there is mosquito breeding?</p>
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