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		<title>By: The Elected Presidency and future non-PAP govts &#171; Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Elected Presidency and future non-PAP govts &#171; Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 04:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Jackson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/the-elected-presidency-and-future-non-pap-govts/comment-page-1/#comment-28073</link>
		<dc:creator>Jackson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:59:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I agree with your stand to reduce the prerequisites for running for president, I think some reduction of the president&#039;s power should also be in order. The power he/she wields is quite large in principle (although in practice the president will not deliberately and unnecessarily generate problems for the government), and I think this may be a potential trouble in any democracy.

This is especially true if you&#039;re lowering the criteria for running for president: there is a higher probability (though still small) of nonsense person snatching that post. In such a situation, this person can wreck havoc to the functioning of the government.

On a separate note, I want to point out that your comparison of the US president and the Singapore president is ill-justified. The US has a presidential system of government (as opposed to Singapore&#039;s parliamentary system), so the president is &lt;i&gt;both&lt;/i&gt; the head of state and head of government.

To clarify, a head of state is a symbolic representation of a state (or country). In Singapore, it&#039;s the president; in UK, it&#039;s the Queen of England; in Thailand, it&#039;s the king; etc.. They serve no role in the day-to-day running of the government. Instead, they have two roles: first is the intervention into the country&#039;s parliament in certain restricted ways; second is the official representation to receive foreign dignitaries. In presidential systems like the US, it is unique in the sense that the head of government is also the head of state.

So when US citizens vote for the president, it&#039;s more for the role of the head of government than the head of state. As such, it may be misleading to compare the two. On the lighter side, the other parliamentary government&#039;s head of states I&#039;ve mentioned are inherited instead of elected, so we&#039;re still not so bad after all...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I agree with your stand to reduce the prerequisites for running for president, I think some reduction of the president&#8217;s power should also be in order. The power he/she wields is quite large in principle (although in practice the president will not deliberately and unnecessarily generate problems for the government), and I think this may be a potential trouble in any democracy.</p>
<p>This is especially true if you&#8217;re lowering the criteria for running for president: there is a higher probability (though still small) of nonsense person snatching that post. In such a situation, this person can wreck havoc to the functioning of the government.</p>
<p>On a separate note, I want to point out that your comparison of the US president and the Singapore president is ill-justified. The US has a presidential system of government (as opposed to Singapore&#8217;s parliamentary system), so the president is <i>both</i> the head of state and head of government.</p>
<p>To clarify, a head of state is a symbolic representation of a state (or country). In Singapore, it&#8217;s the president; in UK, it&#8217;s the Queen of England; in Thailand, it&#8217;s the king; etc.. They serve no role in the day-to-day running of the government. Instead, they have two roles: first is the intervention into the country&#8217;s parliament in certain restricted ways; second is the official representation to receive foreign dignitaries. In presidential systems like the US, it is unique in the sense that the head of government is also the head of state.</p>
<p>So when US citizens vote for the president, it&#8217;s more for the role of the head of government than the head of state. As such, it may be misleading to compare the two. On the lighter side, the other parliamentary government&#8217;s head of states I&#8217;ve mentioned are inherited instead of elected, so we&#8217;re still not so bad after all&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mee Siam Mai Hum missing man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mee Siam Mai Hum missing man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 03:08:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the existing systems remain unchanged , in the next 1000 years, if someone other than the Lees take helm of spore, can anyone guarantee ALL investment is SAFE ?  Who will know if boo boo strikes ?  Imagine investing for 1000 years. no boo boo ? Lets hope.

Lets look forward to Retirement with money in the bank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the existing systems remain unchanged , in the next 1000 years, if someone other than the Lees take helm of spore, can anyone guarantee ALL investment is SAFE ?  Who will know if boo boo strikes ?  Imagine investing for 1000 years. no boo boo ? Lets hope.</p>
<p>Lets look forward to Retirement with money in the bank.</p>
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		<title>By: grognard</title>
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		<dc:creator>grognard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 01:35:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>On the need for GIC/Temasek to be transparent or otherwise:

I read a book called &quot;When Genius Failed&quot;.  It was a story about the the rise and subsequent crash of a hedge fund called Long Term Capital Management.  To cut a long story short, LTCM got into problems when they bet wrong on exchange rate spreads.  Compounding the problem, when they disclosed their trading positions to investment banks to raise new capital, they got front-run, meaning that their positions got sold by other financial institutions because they saw a large sale looming (meaning prices will almost certainly fall).

Moral of the story:  (1)Don&#039;t make wrong bets on currency exchange.  Failing that, (2) try to keep your positions secret.

(1) is obvious, but hardly assured.  (2) means GIC/Temasek will have to remain &quot;not transparent&quot;.

PS:  The book has many interesting facts, but I am highlighting only one facet to make my point.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the need for GIC/Temasek to be transparent or otherwise:</p>
<p>I read a book called &#8220;When Genius Failed&#8221;.  It was a story about the the rise and subsequent crash of a hedge fund called Long Term Capital Management.  To cut a long story short, LTCM got into problems when they bet wrong on exchange rate spreads.  Compounding the problem, when they disclosed their trading positions to investment banks to raise new capital, they got front-run, meaning that their positions got sold by other financial institutions because they saw a large sale looming (meaning prices will almost certainly fall).</p>
<p>Moral of the story:  (1)Don&#8217;t make wrong bets on currency exchange.  Failing that, (2) try to keep your positions secret.</p>
<p>(1) is obvious, but hardly assured.  (2) means GIC/Temasek will have to remain &#8220;not transparent&#8221;.</p>
<p>PS:  The book has many interesting facts, but I am highlighting only one facet to make my point.</p>
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		<title>By: George Lee</title>
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		<dc:creator>George Lee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Oct 2008 00:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agree with germani on the point about PAP members leaving when PAP loses power.  The PAP has always prided itself on the ability to attract and retain some of the best educated members in its ranks.  Those who have successful careers or could have successful careers outside of politics join because they are virtually guaranteed the chance to play a decisive role in Singapore politics.  If the PAP shows that it too can lose an elections, I think that guarantee no longer stands and anyone wanting to join will not only have to consider how big a role he wants in local politics, but also how much he actually agrees with the PAP&#039;s manifest and what the PAP stands for.

Its not a big, unchanging PAP vs. the rest game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agree with germani on the point about PAP members leaving when PAP loses power.  The PAP has always prided itself on the ability to attract and retain some of the best educated members in its ranks.  Those who have successful careers or could have successful careers outside of politics join because they are virtually guaranteed the chance to play a decisive role in Singapore politics.  If the PAP shows that it too can lose an elections, I think that guarantee no longer stands and anyone wanting to join will not only have to consider how big a role he wants in local politics, but also how much he actually agrees with the PAP&#8217;s manifest and what the PAP stands for.</p>
<p>Its not a big, unchanging PAP vs. the rest game.</p>
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		<title>By: Responsibility Und Accountability</title>
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		<dc:creator>Responsibility Und Accountability</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 16:01:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>28) tiredsingaporean on October 27th, 2008 1.17 pm 27) Alan Wong on October 27th, 2008 1.05 pm
well said, try appointing one of the oppositions to be one of the member looking after the country’s reserves and you will see all the shocking things start to surface, and on one end says that we are an open garment but the other end says GIC need not have anyone to report to, THINK! small kids also can tell you go fly kite!
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The 10,000 investors learnt the sad way that TRUST can be unwise at times.

While people can Trust everything in life, a system still has to be inplace to show beyond any reasonable doubt that no similar problem will EVER happen.

But is it possible to have such a system considering that people can break a system?

Before proceeding I want to be clear that there is no evidence to suggest that there is a problem in singapore. At least, I do not have it. And the sole purpose of this is to discuss and share the concern about this aspect. Hope my stand  is clear.

According to SCV channel 49,52,54 or 56 political commentary programes (very high quality programs indeed),  it was alleged that though on paper or by law or by the design of the system, top secret info about money laundering given by International Anti Money laundering agency EGMONT Group, to the CHIEF of Taiwan’s Money Laundering Prevention Center (MLPC)  , was leaked to TW ex-president   Bian. This top secret info involves Bian.   

As can be seen in the above hypothetical scenario / alleged incident that happened, a sound system can be bypassed easily by the people responsible, accountable,  and tasked to uphold the INTEGRITY of the system.

The allegations or rumours generated by well-regarded political commentators suggested that Bian was very successful and effective in controlling his &#039;team&#039; by not just using REWARD power but also more critically, &#039;bar bings&#039; of his &#039;team&#039;. Can you imagine the effectiveness of such command and control? 

Thus, I shared with all of you the interesting story of TW. This story is limited to TW only. For now.

Regards
Accountable Accountant Selamat wong aka Mee Siam Dulai very nice</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28) tiredsingaporean on October 27th, 2008 1.17 pm 27) Alan Wong on October 27th, 2008 1.05 pm<br />
well said, try appointing one of the oppositions to be one of the member looking after the country’s reserves and you will see all the shocking things start to surface, and on one end says that we are an open garment but the other end says GIC need not have anyone to report to, THINK! small kids also can tell you go fly kite!<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>The 10,000 investors learnt the sad way that TRUST can be unwise at times.</p>
<p>While people can Trust everything in life, a system still has to be inplace to show beyond any reasonable doubt that no similar problem will EVER happen.</p>
<p>But is it possible to have such a system considering that people can break a system?</p>
<p>Before proceeding I want to be clear that there is no evidence to suggest that there is a problem in singapore. At least, I do not have it. And the sole purpose of this is to discuss and share the concern about this aspect. Hope my stand  is clear.</p>
<p>According to SCV channel 49,52,54 or 56 political commentary programes (very high quality programs indeed),  it was alleged that though on paper or by law or by the design of the system, top secret info about money laundering given by International Anti Money laundering agency EGMONT Group, to the CHIEF of Taiwan’s Money Laundering Prevention Center (MLPC)  , was leaked to TW ex-president   Bian. This top secret info involves Bian.   </p>
<p>As can be seen in the above hypothetical scenario / alleged incident that happened, a sound system can be bypassed easily by the people responsible, accountable,  and tasked to uphold the INTEGRITY of the system.</p>
<p>The allegations or rumours generated by well-regarded political commentators suggested that Bian was very successful and effective in controlling his &#8216;team&#8217; by not just using REWARD power but also more critically, &#8216;bar bings&#8217; of his &#8216;team&#8217;. Can you imagine the effectiveness of such command and control? </p>
<p>Thus, I shared with all of you the interesting story of TW. This story is limited to TW only. For now.</p>
<p>Regards<br />
Accountable Accountant Selamat wong aka Mee Siam Dulai very nice</p>
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		<title>By: sweet_gingerz</title>
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		<dc:creator>sweet_gingerz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 15:49:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cool down Gerald.. I think it&#039;s not unthinkable why your views were associated or presumed to be that of TOC&#039;s, since you was Dy Editor and are the senior writer...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cool down Gerald.. I think it&#8217;s not unthinkable why your views were associated or presumed to be that of TOC&#8217;s, since you was Dy Editor and are the senior writer&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: isa</title>
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		<dc:creator>isa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 14:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe some feels the online citizen is becoming more and more like a anti-PAP propaganda machine because of the articles.

It is skewed towards the lambasting of everything PAP/govt has done, treating every news with skepticism, with ulterior motive. 
You can say the mass media is a propoaganhda machine .. but do you want to become one too?

I understand that writing during your freetime might mean time pressure to write without proper research or much thought into the pros and cons.

So, I feel a more balanced article would be one that takes up discussion of a topic with the pros and cons. It&#039;s like doing our academic reports .. Get the Pros, Get the Cons, your thesis and Anti-thesis.. and synthesize the two...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe some feels the online citizen is becoming more and more like a anti-PAP propaganda machine because of the articles.</p>
<p>It is skewed towards the lambasting of everything PAP/govt has done, treating every news with skepticism, with ulterior motive.<br />
You can say the mass media is a propoaganhda machine .. but do you want to become one too?</p>
<p>I understand that writing during your freetime might mean time pressure to write without proper research or much thought into the pros and cons.</p>
<p>So, I feel a more balanced article would be one that takes up discussion of a topic with the pros and cons. It&#8217;s like doing our academic reports .. Get the Pros, Get the Cons, your thesis and Anti-thesis.. and synthesize the two&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/the-elected-presidency-and-future-non-pap-govts/comment-page-1/#comment-27908</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 13:42:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>30) TOC is the new Karl Rove - That is your view that Bush won because of Rove&#039;s lies. It may be true, but it doesn&#039;t mean my assessment lacking in integrity. And whose propaganda are you saying TOC is pushing? Karl Rove&#039;s? PAP&#039;s? Come on! Please be fair. This is my opinion and my &quot;propaganda&quot; (if you want to call it that way). No one asked me to write it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>30) TOC is the new Karl Rove &#8211; That is your view that Bush won because of Rove&#8217;s lies. It may be true, but it doesn&#8217;t mean my assessment lacking in integrity. And whose propaganda are you saying TOC is pushing? Karl Rove&#8217;s? PAP&#8217;s? Come on! Please be fair. This is my opinion and my &#8220;propaganda&#8221; (if you want to call it that way). No one asked me to write it.</p>
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		<title>By: manbeer</title>
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		<dc:creator>manbeer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 11:32:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would further add:

1.) Entrench a comprehensive bill of rights
2.) Give judges security of tenure
3.) Provide legal aid for any citizen in criminal and bill of rights cases</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would further add:</p>
<p>1.) Entrench a comprehensive bill of rights<br />
2.) Give judges security of tenure<br />
3.) Provide legal aid for any citizen in criminal and bill of rights cases</p>
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		<title>By: TOC is the new Karl Rove</title>
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		<dc:creator>TOC is the new Karl Rove</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 09:42:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;26) Gerald Giam on	 October 27th, 2008 12.04 pm
1) Bush Supporter and 2) grognard - In both the 2000 and 2004 elections, Bush was facing Democratic contenders who were both uninspiring and, some would say, baffoons themselves. One claimed he invented the Internet, while the other was a flip-flopper — he voted for the war in Iraq BEFORE he voted against it. I’m not surprised the American people chose Bush both times.&lt;/b&gt;

No, George W Bush won because his campaign team and Karl Rove was better able to &lt;b&gt;misrepresent facts&lt;/b&gt;, &lt;b&gt;blow isolated quotes out of proportion&lt;/b&gt;, and &lt;b&gt;be economical with the truth&lt;/b&gt;.

TOC used to have some integrity, but it seems to be like a propaganda machine these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>26) Gerald Giam on	 October 27th, 2008 12.04 pm<br />
1) Bush Supporter and 2) grognard &#8211; In both the 2000 and 2004 elections, Bush was facing Democratic contenders who were both uninspiring and, some would say, baffoons themselves. One claimed he invented the Internet, while the other was a flip-flopper — he voted for the war in Iraq BEFORE he voted against it. I’m not surprised the American people chose Bush both times.</b></p>
<p>No, George W Bush won because his campaign team and Karl Rove was better able to <b>misrepresent facts</b>, <b>blow isolated quotes out of proportion</b>, and <b>be economical with the truth</b>.</p>
<p>TOC used to have some integrity, but it seems to be like a propaganda machine these days.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>15) isa on October 27th, 2008 1.19 am Germ.. I admired you more and more each day..
You bring a sense of balance to this forum.

thanks for the compliment. 
i have to thank people like yourself who have contributed to my ongoing education in cyber discussion. 

i am encouraged that my views have brought about a sense balance.

thanks again</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>15) isa on October 27th, 2008 1.19 am Germ.. I admired you more and more each day..<br />
You bring a sense of balance to this forum.</p>
<p>thanks for the compliment.<br />
i have to thank people like yourself who have contributed to my ongoing education in cyber discussion. </p>
<p>i am encouraged that my views have brought about a sense balance.</p>
<p>thanks again</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>27) Alan Wong on October 27th, 2008 1.05 pm
well said, try appointing one of the oppositions to be one of the member looking after the country&#039;s reserves and you will see all the shocking things start to surface, and on one end says that we are an open garment but the other end says GIC need not have anyone to report to, THINK! small kids also can tell you go fly kite!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>27) Alan Wong on October 27th, 2008 1.05 pm<br />
well said, try appointing one of the oppositions to be one of the member looking after the country&#8217;s reserves and you will see all the shocking things start to surface, and on one end says that we are an open garment but the other end says GIC need not have anyone to report to, THINK! small kids also can tell you go fly kite!</p>
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		<title>By: Alan Wong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/10/the-elected-presidency-and-future-non-pap-govts/comment-page-1/#comment-27844</link>
		<dc:creator>Alan Wong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 05:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the perspective of Chen Shui Bian&#039;s corruption,  it was possible because all checks and balances was under his control.  Only a change of the government exposed his crimes.

Can we see the possibility of the same happening in Singapore when you have your wife, your father and a obedient President looking after the country&#039;s reserves ?

Who can guarantee that such a thing cannot happen in Singapore ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the perspective of Chen Shui Bian&#8217;s corruption,  it was possible because all checks and balances was under his control.  Only a change of the government exposed his crimes.</p>
<p>Can we see the possibility of the same happening in Singapore when you have your wife, your father and a obedient President looking after the country&#8217;s reserves ?</p>
<p>Who can guarantee that such a thing cannot happen in Singapore ?</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 04:04:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>1) Bush Supporter and 2) grognard - In both the 2000 and 2004 elections, Bush was facing Democratic contenders who were both uninspiring and, some would say, baffoons themselves. One claimed he invented the Internet, while the other was a flip-flopper -- he voted for the war in Iraq BEFORE he voted against it. I&#039;m not surprised the American people chose Bush both times.

It&#039;s not just the electorate which will scrutinize the candidates. In a competitive political environment, the candidates will do a much better job scrutinizing each other than some ivory-tower committee can, as we have seen in this year&#039;s US primaries and general election.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1) Bush Supporter and 2) grognard &#8211; In both the 2000 and 2004 elections, Bush was facing Democratic contenders who were both uninspiring and, some would say, baffoons themselves. One claimed he invented the Internet, while the other was a flip-flopper &#8212; he voted for the war in Iraq BEFORE he voted against it. I&#8217;m not surprised the American people chose Bush both times.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not just the electorate which will scrutinize the candidates. In a competitive political environment, the candidates will do a much better job scrutinizing each other than some ivory-tower committee can, as we have seen in this year&#8217;s US primaries and general election.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:56:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16) 123 on October 27th, 2008 1.30 am 

Gosh, please go read up and do research on US govt. You think there&#039;s no elitist system there? Do you know how well connected the Bush family, the Clinton family, Kennedy, Nixon etc are, and how entrenched and powerful the hidden powers in the US govt are? You seriously believe the US President is the most powerful person in the world? Come on! How many hidden powers pull the puppet strings on the Presidency la!

Come on, I&#039;m not for elitism, but please go do more research before you quote and cite e.g. in other countries! You think there&#039;s equal opportunities, and meritocracy in US? Please go read up, thanks! I hope you&#039;re still young, so you have time to learn this, and perhaps go live in US for 10 years and witness the truth!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16) 123 on October 27th, 2008 1.30 am </p>
<p>Gosh, please go read up and do research on US govt. You think there&#8217;s no elitist system there? Do you know how well connected the Bush family, the Clinton family, Kennedy, Nixon etc are, and how entrenched and powerful the hidden powers in the US govt are? You seriously believe the US President is the most powerful person in the world? Come on! How many hidden powers pull the puppet strings on the Presidency la!</p>
<p>Come on, I&#8217;m not for elitism, but please go do more research before you quote and cite e.g. in other countries! You think there&#8217;s equal opportunities, and meritocracy in US? Please go read up, thanks! I hope you&#8217;re still young, so you have time to learn this, and perhaps go live in US for 10 years and witness the truth!</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 27 Oct 2008 03:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2) grognard - Yes, Ong Teng Cheong performed admirably by going against the PAP. I believe that a man/woman can have an independent mind even if they were previously partisan. But it needs some time, which is why I proposed 3 years. I don&#039;t think we want a President to do nothing for 3 years and only realise his non-alignment in his 4th year of his presidency, right?

14) gemami - Excellent point. That is my hope too.

20) Donaldson Tan - No the ruling party can only override the President&#039;s veto with a 2/3 majority vote.
21) Donaldson Tan - Again, the President CAN ignore the advice of the CPA, but Parliament can override him with a 2/3 vote. That is my understanding of the wording of the Constitution. Please correct me if I&#039;m wrong. I&#039;m not a lawyer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2) grognard &#8211; Yes, Ong Teng Cheong performed admirably by going against the PAP. I believe that a man/woman can have an independent mind even if they were previously partisan. But it needs some time, which is why I proposed 3 years. I don&#8217;t think we want a President to do nothing for 3 years and only realise his non-alignment in his 4th year of his presidency, right?</p>
<p>14) gemami &#8211; Excellent point. That is my hope too.</p>
<p>20) Donaldson Tan &#8211; No the ruling party can only override the President&#8217;s veto with a 2/3 majority vote.<br />
21) Donaldson Tan &#8211; Again, the President CAN ignore the advice of the CPA, but Parliament can override him with a 2/3 vote. That is my understanding of the wording of the Constitution. Please correct me if I&#8217;m wrong. I&#8217;m not a lawyer.</p>
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		<title>By: A Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 23:45:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah Yah. 

All the new PM needs to do is to tell nominated president -- &quot;I got the mandate of the people. 

You got what mandate? From whom?

You block what we want to do -- I tell people you nominated president refuse to help people. 

I then withdraw policemen from Istana and yr home. 

Gd luck to you, brudder.&quot;

By having nominated president, PAP is cutting their own balls off if they lose GE. 
The nominated president&#039;s mandate is from PAP govmin, not the people. 

PAP did not realise that an elected president would be the focus of unhappiness with govmin. Ong teng Cheong showed this. So PAP moved to nominated president.

But this meant that he longer had mandate from people to oppose in-coming govmin&#039;s policies.

PAP goofed up big time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah Yah. </p>
<p>All the new PM needs to do is to tell nominated president &#8212; &#8220;I got the mandate of the people. </p>
<p>You got what mandate? From whom?</p>
<p>You block what we want to do &#8212; I tell people you nominated president refuse to help people. </p>
<p>I then withdraw policemen from Istana and yr home. </p>
<p>Gd luck to you, brudder.&#8221;</p>
<p>By having nominated president, PAP is cutting their own balls off if they lose GE.<br />
The nominated president&#8217;s mandate is from PAP govmin, not the people. </p>
<p>PAP did not realise that an elected president would be the focus of unhappiness with govmin. Ong teng Cheong showed this. So PAP moved to nominated president.</p>
<p>But this meant that he longer had mandate from people to oppose in-coming govmin&#8217;s policies.</p>
<p>PAP goofed up big time.</p>
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		<title>By: Mimi Ju</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mimi Ju</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 21:59:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Think about why the elected presidency was set up in the first place? 

Why has it become irrelevant? It was constrained and overruled to perform what it was intended : the check excesses. 

Fix it instead of conveniently dumping it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Think about why the elected presidency was set up in the first place? </p>
<p>Why has it become irrelevant? It was constrained and overruled to perform what it was intended : the check excesses. </p>
<p>Fix it instead of conveniently dumping it.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 26 Oct 2008 20:40:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Elected President cannot exert veto power without majority consent from the Council of Presidential Advisors.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Elected President cannot exert veto power without majority consent from the Council of Presidential Advisors.</p>
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