Maybe PAP taken control of brains of Low, Sylvia etc and tell them what to do, without Low, Sylvia etc realising that they have become PAP-controlled zombies.

Reasonable explanation for WP becoming more complacent than govmin, no?

More likely explanation for WP silence. They think that S’poreans have NO CHOICE but to support WP if they don’t like PAP. After all SDP run by bunch of clowns.

Why should any opposition or WP use HLP (Hong Lim Park) before they meet your expectation? Remember HLP is a place given by the PAP. Even SDP steers clear of it.

“After the Election, what rallies have they held? What speech have they done to engage the Youths and working adults and old folks?”

Who has held rallies, my dear? Not SPP, not SDP, not TOC, not even PAP. You’ve given WP a fail grade for an exam that only WP is forced to take. I don’t know, for a middle aged man like me, WP appealed to me when it took up GST, minister pay hike, foreign workers, healthcare and the ridiculous GRCs. I can’t even finish listing what WP fought for and it’s ironic people see them as “quiet”.

“Look at the new kid on the block TOC. In just a few months they manage to engage so many and including the Youths. Youth Quake you say? I tell you most people are not aware of Youth Quake. What is the REALity WP? No more excuses. The voters expect more. I hope WP do not take things for granted.”.

You need to prove more than that. No disrespect to TOC but the WP and not TOC is the one to have a youth wing. Without activities, you’d think the youths would not join on their own accord. You don’t need to see everything to believe it.

Giving a choice is about giving it over several policies, not just one. Not taking legal action at this moment is a nobrainer. Things have not come to that stage yet. WP has given a choice other areas – lower minister pay, lower GST.

Opposing every single thing is not what people expect of the opposition. I expect responsible parties like WP and SPP to agree with PAP at times. If an opposition party says, “scrap public transport, everyone walk to work”. Is that giving people a choice?

I agree WP should not have made the above statement, especially since WP is an opposition party, they should be ambiguous about their agreement with PAP´s position. To me, this actually discredits WP as an opposition political party. WP claims in its 2006 Manifesto that it gives people choice, but adopting the same position as PAP in parliament means people don´t have a choice. I think WP should be more pro-active and see if WP could work with the Singapore Law Society to get more pro-bono legal aid for the retail investors who are made poor and vulnerable by this entire incident.

1. Its whether you are ABLE or UNABLE. Not the constraints you face. As Politicians , its their job to fight and overcome Constraints. How much effort have they put in to overcome constraints given that HL park is there for them to utilize. What social issues have they commented at HLP over the last many months where hikes come one after another and the Investment FIASCO ? Name me not many, just half an example will do. Can anyone name me 0.5 of an example?

2. For so long, there has not been many opposition parties. The 33.3% had only so few choices to choose from. WP is fortunate to be given 33.3% support by their supports who stood in the muddy fields and in rain to support , clap , chanted ‘WP! WP!’ for them in all rallies. After the Election, what rallies have they held? What speech have they done to engage the Youths and working adults and old folks?

3. don’t ask the People what the People can do for you but what you can do for the People. Its your job. Your fundamental existence is precisely this. Constrainst or no Constraints. Look at the new kid on the block TOC. In just a few months they manage to engage so many and including the Youths. Youth Quake you say? I tell you most people are not aware of Youth Quake. What is the REALity WP? No more excuses. The voters expect more. I hope WP do not take things for granted. Things Change. just a concern for WP.

You have no idea how disappointed I am. sigh….

regards
Kang wong

And sumething to think abt — PAP has secretly taken control of WP mgt? Taz why WP so quiet on so many issues? Hard to think of any gd, reasonable reason why WP so quiet on soo many things that matter to Singaporeans.

Feel ashamed I voted for them in 2006.

Being WP is difficult.

To me it is certainly ok for political parties to “jump” on the bandwagon of work done by activist so to speak. If the WP can leverage on its presence in Parliament to add pressure on the government so much the better.

However, in my opinion, WP lot seemed to have often act with no punch. Take the this particular instance.

Instead of urging people not to use class action, they should have been more strewed to have left that as an option. For example, they could have easily have urged people to use the non-legal route first and, if all else fail, then use the legal route.

Telling people not to used the legal route upfront is like in the battle field you expose the size of the reserved and weapons location to the enemy. In any tussle with your opponent you must keep the opponent guessing as to what action you wish to take.

If cost was the concern the WP there is still no need to urge people to give up on one weapon. Instead it could focus by urging the legal fraternity to waive charges and help out in times of needs. Here would be a smart political move. Since WP can’t do anything substantial, it could at least help shine the spot light/shame on other group that can act to act!

i oso no idea. may be no effect at all. zilch.

when someone says ‘maybe’ it can also mean ‘maybe not’.

If they come out too soon, they will be labeled as taking advantage of the situation to politicize the events for polical cause.

1. Democracy alone is important but not enough – it has to be refined. Absolute power ….. absolutely. Also, there are many forms of Democracy leaders of each country has innovated / engineered to suit their needs.

2. Without the Freedom of Speech and strong culture of voicing up on social issues and the public spirited experts and commentators, how much progress could the investigations achieve?

3. alleged collusion nvolving basically the entire gov hierarchy : Commander-in-chief to head of Ministry of Justice Investigation Bureau (MJIB) to the Ministries . Also involved are large corporations that are alleged to have helped ‘money transfer’ to Bian.

Luckily, we are in Singapore, where such things will NEVER happen (u believe me ? ). We dont have absolute power and control in 1 man right? Fortunately, we have such a unbiased court and legal system. Look at also our public serving law society. Also MAS, so due-diligent and fast responding contributing to building of a world class financial hub. No money laundering wan. Financial products sold very well and safe wan. Transparency wan. Either there is Full Transparency or there is No Transparency.

Nevertheless, as democratic citizens, I believe the TW story can serve as an excellent educational material for all other countries.

Thus, I would be grateful if in future TOC can write about this lesson learnt.

Regards
Selamat wong

So if the investors lose in court they may face an action for legal costs by the banks. – manbeer (#13)

If the bank accepts the court´s decision that the investors should pay for the bankś legal cost, there will be a lot of social repercussion on the bankś day-to-day operations. Either way, it is not too great for the bank to win the class suit too.

Everything cost go up – WP say nothing.

Bus fare hike – WP say nothing.

Electricity go up – WP say nothing.

Minibonds – WP say nothing until now more than one month already.

Make me wonder: Did Low Thia Kiang or Sylvia Lim also invest in minibond? Low TK got $14,000 MP allowance leh. Why everything say nothing but only when minibond then say something?

After so many weeks and after Mr Tan took leadership and Mas came out and everything …

YOu start coming out …

You know..in war movies.. we see… enemy front got a lot of bombardment, some will defend their positions.. some will hide until coast is clear and then come out .. charging …or boasting…

Please.. BALEK KAMPONG .. I hope you got eliminated from Hougang next election. YOU DON’T DESERVE THE MP PAY LIKE Most of the other PAP MPs!

Don’t need to say anything about legal position until some clarity about compensation is known in the coming weeks or days, we all know legal battle is costly.

It is a disappointment to see a major opposition party do so little or nothing till now. Where is LTK when all the affacted people are at Hong Lim Park ??

Not another jumper on Mr Tan’s wagon.

Now that everyone knows it is safe to say something on issue (no midnight knocks), we have WP and SIAS saying something on their concerns.

Betcha CASE and SDP and Chiam will now have their say.

Where were you before last fri (before MAS MD media conference)?

Only TKL has balls of brass. Waz WP, SIAS, CASE, SDP and Chiam’s balls made of? They got any?”

Wah. Be opposition in Singapore damn hard hor?

Agree with govt? Don’t need to say liao…sure kena whack jialat jialat by bloggers and intelligent Singaporeans!

Keep quiet? Cannot also lah. They will still say we are ‘govt lackey’!

Hmm. Propose alternative viewpoints and issues! Sure can one like that!

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Wah kao! Also kena shot…!

Perhaps this is why there’s so little ‘credible’ opposition around eh?