Above article is pretty vivid and opinated – perhaps some sentences need editing moderation for modestry sake.

Think it may be just a straw poll for reaction and ground sentiments when the name TKL is mentioned; the newspaper people are curious too.
There are few big mass followings in Singapore other than the catholic church, the charimatic churchs, etc, and now ” the big trumpet comes roaring back” but with a different tune.
What can happen next is really unclear – unlike the sad and regretable episode of the white tigers when the troubled cleaner offered himself. God bless his soul.

lol… the Brotherhood has invaded TOC!…

long live the Brotherhood!!!

I think this wasn’t an opportunistic bandwagon Mr TKL just suddenly jumped on.

He’s been campaigning abt misleading investment vehicles for the longest time.

See this entry from when Pinnacle was launched.

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2007/11/pinnacle-notes-series-9-10.html

Chua Sheng Yang is an idiot

ST great job with the forum letter. No front coverage for 5 weeks of the rally at hong lim park. But a back door forum letter would do the trick in insinuating politcal motives. Your credibility is indeed incredible. Luckily I never waste my $. on your papers.

Ya i save about $30 each month without shitty times.
CNN and BBC interest me more.
Local news are too shallow, people who read them will become shallow also.

I only use alot of these STpapers when I fried yu tiao, sometime running out of toilet rolls also can use some but only the less printed ones, quite a good absorbents too, not bad!

and please refrain from using those prints with pictures of those very plainly dressed people with such big smile that is even wider than the distance between their 2 eyeballs, those really hurts when you wipe your arse! and you keep wondering when will they ever get off your back!

Well the ST papers is a story book that wants everybody to believe that the ending is “they live happily ever after”.

They also have “games” asking readers to read between the lines and fill in the gaps. Or some time spot the missing links.

Interesting indeed.

Don’t even read ST unless it’s the sports page.

And for that matter, all local papers.

Ya, I subscribe to WSJ Asia and South China Morning Post for my readings. But it’s mainly because there’s nothing important happening in singapore most of the time. All major businesses are happening in HK and NYSE for my investments. So ..reading local news is a waste of time for me.

What the heck is the brotherhood?

I believe Mr Tan’s intentions were to give an avenue and a voice for those who were truly misled. I think it is too much to expect him to vet each person who attends his rally and signs the petitions to determine who deserves compensation. That should be MAS job, he is merely pushing them to do it.

I can only say Respects to SG Daddy for writing tat letter. At the same time, i’m surprise tat it’s published. Anyone wish to come up with some theories?

how come the brotherhood is not getting comments from the sisterhood?

oh sisters………..where are u……….?

#chua sheng yang
Why whenever other people do good deeds, they are accused of having uteriior motives?
I believed it is the accusers themselves habouring some hidden agenda,probably something sinister.
Dirty minded people always think of dirty things

Daniel Ling (#14),

A good letter deserves to be on a pedestal. What is TOC for? It is after all a community of Singaporeans. This is true to its motto.

This isn’t the first time Chua Sheng Yang engaged in attacking the legitimacy of citizens associating together for a cause:

http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Story/STIStory_212538.html

Chua Sheng Yang is a threat to the freedom of Singaporeans.

Chua Sheng Yang you are a brave man, defaming NTUC Income and NTUC.

Either that or you a very stupid man to take on two government-related organisations.

Hope to see you being bankrupted like JBJ.

This is the content of the letter for those who don’t bother to click.

“MR TAN Kin Lian organised yet another rally last Saturday, this time to assist investors to redress their injustices over the collapse of the Pinnacle Notes 9 and 10 series by Morgan Stanley. Too many people are taking advantage of the situation to get back money from what they knew was a risky investment.

For example, last Sunday’s report about Mr Tan’s Saturday rally, (‘Angry investors seek action’) featured a quote by Ms Lilian Tan, a manager, and Mr Chang Foo Choon, a businessman who had invested $500,000 in the Notes.

Surely, Mr Tan cannot argue that these two people, who are neither elderly nor uneducated, should be entitled to their money back. I assume that someone who has been in management and someone who has run his own business and can afford to invest half a million dollars are aware of the risks of investment. Is Mr Tan organising the rallies at Speakers’ Corner for purely altruistic reasons, or is he organising them to help his colleagues in his position as a writer of The Online Citizen, a website which is well known to have an anti-government stance?

It was not too long ago that Mr Tan was the chief executive officer of NTUC Income and his own agents adopted the same practices which he now deems unscrupulous.

Why did Mr Tan not tell his agents to practise more ethics then, when he was CEO?

And why is he protesting against local banks and the Monetary Authority of Singapore and not taking his fight to Morgan Stanley? Is it also aimed at politicising the matter? I urge the Government and the banks not to cave in to the political solution of reimbursing all investors.

Chua Sheng Yang”

Since when http://www.TalkingCock.com inflitrated the ShittyTimes ?
“Is it also aimed at politicising the matter?” Sound familiar to us ?

Chua’s other earlier letter to the ST forum page:

Demos at Speakers’ Corner? No, they could hurt S’pore

WHILE it is heartening to see the Government’s willingness to embrace the viewpoints of Singaporeans, even those of dissenting voices, I cannot help but feel a sense of trepidation at proposed plans to open Speakers’ Corner to ‘peaceful’ demonstrations. While it is essential that Singaporeans are allowed to express their views freely, such a move is unnecessary and could even be detrimental to the climate of stability in Singapore we have become used to as our way of life.

The potential for such demonstrations to turn violent will always exist and the potential for extremists to take advantage of the situation is high. Having come to appreciate Singapore as a stable and peaceful place to live in, I would not want to live in a city full of protests and demonstrations as a daily occurrence. One need only look at neighbouring countries to see the disruption to the economy and daily lives of citizens such activities can bring.

Current avenues for dissenting opinions are more than sufficient and I do not wish Singapore to degenerate just to accommodate Western principles of ‘freedom of speech’.

Chua Sheng Yang

http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Story/STIStory_212538.html

“Why did Mr Tan not tell his agents to practise more ethics then, when he was CEO?”
Didn’t the gov tell the FI to have market discipline ? So FI has market discipline or not ? You means tell the people, the people will listen ?
Chua Sheng Yang, we tell you to fart off from the Pro-gov ShittyTimes, will you fart off from it as frequent Shit contributor then ?

“Is it also aimed at politicising the matter?”
Protest = Politicising the matter ?
Didn’t we recall that CASE once had 1000 members protesting ? Weren’t they politicising the matter as well ?
Asking for government to intervene for FI’s misdeed is Politicising the matter, how about gov keep asking money from citizen through neverending PayAndPay scheme, are the gov not Politicising the matter as well ?

I can’t help wondering if Chua Lee Hoong and Chua Sheng Yang are related.

Having come to appreciate Singapore as a stable and peaceful place to live in, I would not want to live in a city full of protests and demonstrations as a daily occurrence. One need only look at neighbouring countries to see the disruption to the economy and daily lives of citizens such activities can bring. – Chua Sheng Yang

Have your life been disrupted so far because of the weekly protest rallies at Speaker’s Corner?

Wow, still got people reading ST?

We should be thankful there are people such as TKL who has solutions and stepping out to help, while others without solutions and only words can only sit here behind our screens.

If anyone else, may it be an MP, minister or ordinary TOC-er, has a viable solution and would like to try it out, he should feel free to try without barriers, and the rest of us should validate and support if possible,

Surely, Mr Tan cannot argue that these two people, who are neither elderly nor uneducated, should be entitled to their money back. – Chua Sheng Yang

Mr Tan KL is arguing for the case of misrepresentation. Misrepresentation, if proven, can reverse the sales contract even if the sales term have been exercised. In another words, compensation is still due for cases of mis-representation.

Is Mr Tan organising the rallies at Speakers’ Corner for purely altruistic reasons, or is he organising them to help his colleagues in his position as a writer of The Online Citizen, a website which is well known to have an anti-government stance? – Chua Sheng Yang

Why are you accusing The Online Citizen as anti-government? Only by being highly critical of the government, then we can contribute to good governance of our country. If any, The Online Citizen is pro-Singapore.

I think Mr Tan did tell his agents when he was CEO to be customer oriented. I bought many policies during his time and was very satisfied with the returns, especially the regular anniversary surprise cash bonuses. I cannot say the same now with the new management. I was pretty annoyed the last 18 months with NTUC Income and has surrendered some policies with more to be surrendered on the way. I find the new management unreceptive and poor in customer service. They even instructed their agents not to respond to me when I made legitimate enquiries. Emails written to the CEO also did not get a reply. This is the new NTUC Income under foreign leadership!!!

that’s the same clown who wrote about lack of flags displayed as lack of patriotism?

hmmm.

Hey guys, give that man a break. Idiots are born everyday. Chua Sheng Yang just happens to be one of them. He is obviously a reader of TOC, otherwise how would he know that TOC has an anti-government stance? So let him know he is an idiot. Instead of writing to the ST forum, he should have just gone down to speaker’s corner to see how he could help. But…..nah….writing is easier.

I do save a couple of hundreds a year not subscribing to ST(Shitty Times). Glad there are other better platforms for news.

Oh please don’t throw away shittytimes papers, the prints may not be relevant but paper quality not bad and quite absorbent, I can use them in case my toilet roll runs out.

“Oh please don’t throw away shittytimes papers, the prints may not be relevant but paper quality not bad and quite absorbent,”
Who know It may be just be useful as diaper for some senile old fart who lost billions of our taxmoney.

Dear TOC Readers and Visitors,

I would like to draw you attention to the lack of credibility shown by The Straits Times.

For those of you who still doubt that the Shitty Times lack credibility, I am now
going to show proof beyond a reasonable doubt.

On November 18th, 2008 at 7.54 am,
I wrote a reply to a fellow blogger named <b/sanctus. You can see the full text of my post in TOC’s forum page titled:
DBS retrenchment: The unkindest cut of all”, post #81.

The Shitty Times Forum, took out the full text of my post and posted it
in its own forum page as a reply to Chua Sheng Yang’s article found in
Shitty Times newspaper.(click of the link above, in singaporedaddy’s Response
to Straits Times forum page letter).

It read: Dear Chua Sheng Yang and signed of as ‘A Concerned Citizen’.

What utter rubbish! My reply had nothing to do with CSY’s article. It was never meant as a reply to CSY.

This is Shitty Times for you ans we now understand Agnes’s situation better, don’t we?

it used to be a respectable and honorable paper, until it was shamelessly exploited as a party paper

Ha! Ha! Ha! Ha!

The Shitty Times (online) must be following TOC very closely. (pls refer to my post #32 above).

Guess what?

It took off my post which it had copied over from TOC and had used it as a reply to CSY’s forum letter which can be found under the heading ‘Questions on investment products rally’ in its online portal.

It is clear that my post was a reply to ‘Sanctus’ under the DBS retrenchment thread. How in the world did it became a reply to CSY’s forum page letter, only the Shitty Times will know.

Some more can sign me off as a ‘Concerned Citizen’.
Do you think I am concern with rubbish scribbled by a dog?

Phui! x10 – so much for being a credible news source – Phui! x another 10.

btw, thanks for showing the world that TOC is more credible than anyone may think otherwise.

Hi Friends

Thank you for your words of support. I have sent my reply to the Straits Times. It is posted in my blog:
http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2008/11/reply-to-chua-sheng-yang.html

30) & 31)

Hi guys, please don’t use shitty as toilet paper, if you value your backside. You don’t know if they get their cheap ink from China or not. Later kanna chemical poisoning!

Gemami:

You sure? That is not too ethical of them…but it meant that you have written well.

TKL:

Ok for sure they will print your reply if not then they are really what you all call them Shitty Times!

with more and more ppl reading online news and forums and participating in online petition/activities, ST 4-decade-old influence and grips on sg is dimishing. The gavern cannot anymore use the overcharged paper to brainwash the new generation of sg ppl, and i m sure more would come to realize their role as a citizen and their political responsibility to this nation. none can act or play ignorance to the gavern agenda, and we need to actively engage ourself in influencing what has set for us by gavern

Dear Mr Tan please do not fall for strait times trick, from where they are coming, I suspect they want you to bring this issue to court. If you remember TT Durai, his end of ends when bring SPH to court.

Thank you for your effort, we need more people like you. If you do need some help from the public, we will try to support. This Saturday, I will bring my family to the speaker corner to support. Cheers

Forgive Chua Sheng Yang and forget about him as well. Sounds like someone from the past and who has lost touch with the new world.

32) gemami on November 18th, 2008 9.20 pm Dear TOC Readers and Visitors,

I would like to draw you attention to the lack of credibility shown by The Straits Times.

……….

I feel sorry for you. But I feel that after all is said, what can we do?
I hope you can have a recourse to the INTERNATIONAL courts for justice.

Brotherhood guy is certainly deadly. But have all of you ever considered for one moment, who Singaporedaddy actually is? Well, let me tell you. He is none other than steamboy. And who is steamboy? He happens to be one of the super space diplomats the brotherhood regularly trains whenever they want to invade mineral rich planets in the virtual.

I dont exactly know how or when these super space diplomats came about. But I happen to know as a fact, they first made their appearance sometime around the age of steel. When the brotherhood once waged one of the biggest virtual battles against the Aryanians.

In that battle where they were outnumbered by 800:1. The brotherhood secured a decisive victory, thanks to these super diplomats. They had been parachuted into these virtual planets years before. And when their tanks and spaceships moved in, they didnt even have to fire a single shot. Like I said they were key.

I have also trawled around the WWW to find out more and this is an interesting post I gathered. Please take a look at it.I will try to link it but I cant

Oh dear….I am so sorry, really I am. I was just looking to catch up on the latest concerning Mr Tan and his ongoing saga with our beloved rag – I hadn’t expected to stumble on an online cookery class on how to flavor one’s culinary delights with lashings ganja, magic mushrooms, hallucigenics and mind bending drugs.

Please don’t mind me….I’ve see myself out….as I am said….I am so sorry…do carry on.

Bye Bye

SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)

This new revelation concerning the liaison officer of the brotherhood doesnt surprise me in the least.

I came across this account as well.

“When he first came to us, he claimed to be a deserter. So we took him in. In the beginning, many of us were wary as we have heard much of the dreaded forces of Darkness. Like locust, they had laid waste to much of the known universe.

I remember, he had an aristocratic manner, not too over bearing, not too distant, just right. A very beautiful voice. Like a lute. Nice round sounds with tailing coda’s. Not too high in pitch, yet not too low as to come across as dowdy. A very pleasant and persuasive voice. One that endeared him to many the ladies in our tribe.

For many years man from the east stayed with us. You could say, he immersed himself in our community. And soon, he had begun to speak, act and even think like many of us. In the years that followed, he improved our irrigation and built dams. By the seventh moon of Ishkham, he had even taken a wife amongst us and by then most of the elders had begun to refer to him as the “young wise one.” I attended his wedding.

It was only on the 19th reign of Padinshah IIIX, when we begun to notice how he seem almost insistent to persuade the rest of the elders to sign a pact with the brotherhood. When our elders rejected the proposition. Within days the skies were filled with their crafts, there standing amid them, was the man who we once took in, fed and called our own.

What were we to do? For so very long our waters had mixed. He was one of us as much as we were him. So we believed. When the man standing before this great invading said, lay down your arms, we come in the name of peace. I noticed for the very first time, he was wearing the senior uniform of the order of the brotherhood. I realized then he had always been brotherhood even from the first day when we layed eyes on him.

Every single man loosened their swords and it fell to the ground.”

“I remember, he had an aristocratic manner, not too over bearing, not too distant, just right. A very beautiful voice. Like a lute. Nice round sounds with tailing coda’s. Not too high in pitch, yet not too low as to come across as dowdy. A very pleasant and persuasive voice. One that endeared him to many the ladies in our tribe.”

OK very clever. So our idea now is to scare the Liaison officer out of his wits so that he doesnt come here any longer? Tell me who will serenade us all with sweet nonsense? Who will coo like a piña colada being gently shaken to the sound of mambo ? who might I ask will pout his chest and pirouette like a matador and make all our hearts flutter?

Thank you very much. I personally think he is a mc pig and there is no allure to him, but this place would certainly be dead door nail boring, if it wouldnt be for the continued meditations of the liaison officer. Wouldnt it be so ladies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVu2ECfUvqE

smk tan

Besides the papers have published TLK reply, though not in full. I believe the main bits were there. Along with TOC’s pov concerning this whole affair. So there, there.

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