Some Town Councils prefer to charge higher S&C charges so they put their savings in very safe investments.
Senior Minister of State for National Development Grace Fu in Parliament
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Is Mr Tan organising the rallies at Speakers’ Corner for purely altruistic reasons, or is he organising them to help his colleagues in his position as a writer of The Online Citizen, a website which is well known to have an anti-government stance?
All i can say is there are people who choose to see only the good stuff of States Times & hear only the good stuff of States Radio.
Ignorance is a disease in this country, it can be inherited, but it can also be cured.
Some people just don’t want to be cured for whatever reasons.
For those who have been cured, our job is to cure others.
In fact, we respect those who doesn’t want to be cured.
But please don’t carry out character assassination on those who are on different stand as you.
That’s so ungracious of you, Mr Chua S.Y
48) Zefly (aka Joshua Chiang)
Good citizens sometimes support the govt in unpopular decisions.
But there comes a time when there are too many unpopular decisions to support that we start to question why the govt is so engrossed with being unpopular.
That is when the citizens call out to the govenrment to be popular again, if not, will find someone else who is popular.
to be truthful, I had initially questioned the motive of TKL, he being one from NTUC Income, having retired, questions the new chief, its operations and the bonuses issue of NTUC.
But after the Lehman issue, I give him credits for standing up to the Lehman issue when all the “relevant” parties either hide or pushes the “responsibilities” of thelping the ordinary people
Maybe we can invite some PAP MPs or even ministers to write here? This will help to balance out the comments here.
I see that at least 90% of comments are anti-establishment and this also for the articles written.
We should be advocating for a site that is bi-partisan rather than slanted towards opposition politics.
Moreover, this should be a site that advocate love for one another and for the country. Though it is a socio-political site, values such as mutual respect, love, loyalty, filial piety, etc should be adovcated here.
I remember Mc Cain graciously accepted defeat and Obama said that he will be President even to those who opposed him (I shed tears when he spoke those words). That is the hallmark of true politics – ability to overcome others’ with love and respect. By criticising and loathing CSY it does not help him to see us as being better than anyone else. He also will not stand on our side at all.
I hope that TKL will defend himself graciously and not with venom. Great leaders are always criticised as they do things that irk others. Gandhi did not really defended himself much when he was ridiculed for his stand for an independent India. He used his simple non-violent soft protest to draw supporters to his side.
Of course, as with all great leaders before, he was assassinated. There is a price to pay for standing up to one’s ideal and aspiration. Let us hope that we all stand out tall when we are asked to defend what we believe in.
This isn’t the first time Chua Sheng Yang engaged in attacking the legitimacy of citizens associating together for a cause:
http://www.straitstimes.com/ST%2BForum/Story/STIStory_212538.html
Chua Sheng Yang is a threat to the freedom of Singaporeans.
So, correct to say chua will not be sued or asked to prove his words?
any updates?
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Chua Sheng Yang,
would you mind cc your article to http://www.talkingcock.com before submitting to ShittyTimes next time ? At least, by submitting to talkcock.com, we will sympathize with you and our pathetic government, and we promise to put a light touch at laughing and mocking at you and the gov. Your article really make my day though.
I agree that those who think and behave like Chua Sheng Yang is a threat to the freedom of Singaporeans.
It is clear that this Chua character deem it fit to question Tan K L’s motive rather
than questioning the incumbents, especially the 82 PAP MPs who have failed
miserably in speaking up for those affected investors.
As a concerned citizen I am questioning Chua’s motive and he has inadvertently exposed his true colours and that of the PAP.
Many of the incumbents’ activities are negative examples of nation building,
persisting with such activities and time will eventually prove they are traitors to the country.
No. 24) pigscanfly “i suggest Mr Chua get a head examination.”
The ruling party, MSM & supporters have fine brains; no mistake about that. It’s just that their hearts and conscience’s gone missing. Maybe due to constant inhaling of crisp thousand-dollar bills.
who is chua sheng yang anyway? is he some famous or important person so that what he wrote is deemed important that solicit so muany responses? i catch no ball leh.
No. 49) buy dog biscuit for dogs’ mudder “get the point ?”
Got it :)
Like what most people pointed out, the problem is not with Mr Tan Kin Lian, but the lack of leadership and solution-oriented actions from the ruling party which provided an opportunity for someone to step forward and do something positive. Thus far, just in the recent past alone, we have heard nothing but excuses, rationalization, brushing off, moving on kind of statements from the ruling party & MSM. Even then, some of the excuses & rationalization are rather insulting. Is it any surprise that anti-PAP sentiments are growing by the day?
To our dear leaders: talk is cheap. Roll up your sleeves, step into the citizens’ shoes and do the right thing.
Here’s an earlier letter that Mr Chua sent to ST Forum back in March:
Demos at Speakers’ Corner? No, they could hurt S’pore
WHILE it is heartening to see the Government’s willingness to embrace the viewpoints of Singaporeans, even those of dissenting voices, I cannot help but feel a sense of trepidation at proposed plans to open Speakers’ Corner to ‘peaceful’ demonstrations. While it is essential that Singaporeans are allowed to express their views freely, such a move is unnecessary and could even be detrimental to the climate of stability in Singapore we have become used to as our way of life.
The potential for such demonstrations to turn violent will always exist and the potential for extremists to take advantage of the situation is high. Having come to appreciate Singapore as a stable and peaceful place to live in, I would not want to live in a city full of protests and demonstrations as a daily occurrence. One need only look at neighbouring countries to see the disruption to the economy and daily lives of citizens such activities can bring.
Current avenues for dissenting opinions are more than sufficient and I do not wish Singapore to degenerate just to accommodate Western principles of ‘freedom of speech’.
Chua Sheng Yang
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See the problem is that Mr Chua now has a “sense of trepidation” from seeing Mr Tan Kin Lian at speakers’ corner. Tsk!
Gilbert, I admire the sentiments.
To be honest, I’d also like to discuss policies in an objective light. You know, give credit where credit is due. But I guess this is what happens when the political scene here has really been marked by so much opacity and ‘Newspeak’ (a term from Orwell’s 1984) that you stop trusting many of the policies when they are announced, that they were for the good of the nation.
How do you convince people like Chua?
How do you make people see that they’ve been muzzled for so long they don’t even recognize their muzzles?
I was at HLP the other day watching TKL give his speech, followed by Goh Meng Seng. The sheer spontaiety of it… the sheer feeling of watching a handful of people actually voicing discontent… dunno how to describe it. It’s really just a few hundred people, mostly old folks, but when they collectively answered ‘No!’ to something TKL asked, it actually felt more gratifying than being in any NDP parade. I think that was when I realized what has been stolen from us, really. Something that makes us human.
Oh well. rambling again.. :)
No. 60) Plumber “who is chua sheng yang anyway?”
Some dispensable ammunition?
Anyway, this whole episode has been a good thing, albeit at the expense of uncalled-for allegations about Mr Tan and TOC. As some have pointed out, it’s a form of publicity for TOC, and I am sure those who are discerning will appreciate the articles here. Comments are another thing altogether, but then they are personal, not representative of TOC’s views, and do provide a much needed light-hearted look at the harsh realities of life.
seems the pawn has been deployed.
what’s next?
a few things. Anti-government means anti chiam and low too (opposition members). Anti government carries the connotation that it’s anti people, since essential (okay to a large extent) the people elect the government.
Anti-party means anti some political party, like pap or sdp or workers party. In Chua’s case, what he meant to say was anti-pap, no? Slight difference there.
In any case, this shouldn’t even be an issue at all. What’s at stake is the clown of a paper that publish something fit for the comic strip.
@logicalman
google does wonders for your first statement. not sure how accurate, people can judge for themselves.
No. 62 Gerald Giam “See the problem is that Mr Chua now has a “sense of trepidation” from seeing Mr Tan Kin Lian at speakers’ corner. Tsk!”
I have more trepidation when PM Lee announced not one, but two IRs for Singapore; when Mas Selamat escaped and PM Lee said “What to do? It happened. Move on”; when SP announced 21% electricity tariff increase and prepayment system; when town councils lost millions and shrugged it off as insignificant.
I believe there are many PAP NMP’s reading these comments , well if you have a heart for the people of Singapore. Please do whats right for these people.
Remember, your main purpose is to serve the PEOPLE of SINGAPORE, and not do the HIP HOP …….
It would be good if you could contribute to the comments section for a proposed resolution.
Country must come 1st and not …..
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Poor citizen like me don’t invest in anything. Thanks goodness.
However, I appreciate what Mr Tan has done for many affected investors. What piss me off is how an ordinary person like Mr Tan who has been sincerely trying to help these people has his character assassinated. Why? Because he’s a threat to the PAP now? Is PAP getting fearful of him to want to character assassainate him? What a coward!
Anyway, the next meeting with the investors will be held next Saturday. I sincerely hope many people who supports Mr Tan will continue to show their supports by showing up at the Speaker Corner. Mr Tan needs our supports now. It doesn’t matter whether we are the affected investors or simply an online reader. Don’t let the bullies fear us nor frighten him away. Let us united as one, for the sake of sg and the people.
May God bless and guide Mr Tan all the way!
Guys, this is interesting. In March 2008 Chua Sheng Yang actually wrote a article on “Speaker Corner”. However, he was kanna hammered by a Ang Mo.
http://www.straitstimes.com/print/ST+Forum/Story/STIStory_212998.html
Seems like many have a common perception of the MSM based on their decades of living in singapore and reading or listening or watching it daily.
Is the saying “no wind cannot have wave” still applicable in this instance?
I hope to hear it from the “horse’s” mouth so-2-speak, what they feel about the common perception and what keeps them wanting to continue working in the MSM with regards to the common perception.
Could someone conduct a ‘live’ interview with the more well-known MSM employees to find out their honest subconscious reasons for working in the MSM? What motivates them to continue working there? Must have contributed a lot to the people ?
I have to say, ya lor. u believe me meh ? ;)
sorry, not ang mo. it is a chinese in ang mo country. Make Chua Look like a kid. LOL
chua you dare to write to forum right.
then i dare you to post you photo online to let people see who you are.
if you dare not then what you say are rubbish.
mr tan kin lian dare to show himself.
chua so silly.
hahahahahaha
“Poor citizen like me don’t invest in anything. Thanks goodness.”
Personally, you didn’t. But CPFly and shitly, the gov/TC invest on these and bad investments on your behalf. Should thank the gov for such “goodness”. Nowhere in the world can you see such a government that “full of love and compassion” when it comes to money. Now we must repay those “love and compassion” of the gov through more PayAndPay schemes.
Read most of the Chua articles and feel that this write must be some young kid with simple brain. In facebook, I found a Derak Chua Sheng Yang which look like a kid and cannot confirm if it is him.
“then i dare you to post you photo online to let people see who you are.”
What did you know ? Chua Sheng Yang could just be a hired gun to spout rubbish, feed propaganda and lies. There might be infinite “Chua Sheng Yang” waiting to be hired to write such a nonsensical brainless article. After all our shittyTimes is not known for Nation-Building and gov-mouthpiece press for nothing.
Is this CSY an idiot?? I am wondering if your life saving is wiped out entirely, I bet you will be at the HL park pondering what is going on with MAS or the PAP. MAS and PAP dare not meet those affected immediately and do the repair job, but have to wait for our dear TKL to do the job of raising the red light. I hope CSY will see some light in this and not to be the first class idiot in singapore.
Dear Friends,
Thank you for your encouragement and kind words of support. I have sent my reply to the Straits Times Forum page.
It is posted in my blog:
http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2008/11/reply-to-chua-sheng-yang.html
“Is this CSY an idiot?? I am wondering if your life saving is wiped out entirely,”
How can he not be ? He didn’t even bother to think of what happen to his CPF when he spout his nonsense.
The best part of Chua Sheng Yang’s letter is that he deemed TOC as anti-government.
What a joke! Has he been intoxicated or what? Open debate, freedom of speech, pro-democracy, pro-human rights, etc… to him means anti-government!?
In my view, TOC has enabled real freedom of speech, allowing people to really question, to debate and exchange ideas openly on social/political issues, to the political maturing of the readers in the process. To me, this is one very important aspect of total defence, the pscychological part.
Before this, no one had been doing this job – not the PAP, not the government, not our school education, not the MSM – of facilitating the political maturing of the people. Hence the stereotyping that our people being an apathetic lot.
This minibonds saga and the together action lead by Tan Kim Lin and closedly reported by TOC (our MSM cannot be bothered to report) shows that we people can get together, and help one another in solving our problems, and in seeking social justice. It’s a good start. It showed that Singaporeans are not an apathetic lot, afterall. And I started to feel the bond among the people, the faith among each other, of being able to help one another, is starting to grow.
Such initiation and experience are what genuinly bonds people together. I hope the day will come when it becomes common that when we walk by one another in the streets, we could spontaneously smile to or greet each another. I realise this cannot be done by some 4 million smiles campaign.
Our society needs more people like TKL, who have the passion to share his expertise/knowledge with the people, and to come forward to help doing what is right for our society.
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