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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-2/#comment-36558</link>
		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

is this webpage being made known to all singapore people?

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>is this webpage being made known to all singapore people?</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: SoHow</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-2/#comment-36548</link>
		<dc:creator>SoHow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:23:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I hope that this is not another case of NKF being unfolded.

I think an independent audit would prevent further damage. If they come out clean then they would gain back some confidence of the people. If they come out &quot;dirty&quot; then things can be fixed up sooner than later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I hope that this is not another case of NKF being unfolded.</p>
<p>I think an independent audit would prevent further damage. If they come out clean then they would gain back some confidence of the people. If they come out &#8220;dirty&#8221; then things can be fixed up sooner than later.</p>
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		<title>By: C J</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-2/#comment-36531</link>
		<dc:creator>C J</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 09:01:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The longer this government stays in power...
the more they will screw up things, and generally make bad investment moves losing more and more Tax Payers money.

They don&#039;t get it don&#039;t they? 
People DON&#039;T just want &#039;changes within the PAP...&#039;, they want them REPLACED.
A less kinder word - FIRED!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The longer this government stays in power&#8230;<br />
the more they will screw up things, and generally make bad investment moves losing more and more Tax Payers money.</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t get it don&#8217;t they?<br />
People DON&#8217;T just want &#8216;changes within the PAP&#8230;&#8217;, they want them REPLACED.<br />
A less kinder word &#8211; FIRED!!!</p>
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		<title>By: Give him a Break</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-2/#comment-36519</link>
		<dc:creator>Give him a Break</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 07:51:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think we should give him a break.
I think we should just ask him the reverse question.
teo, if you cannot disclose,
convince the electorate, the WHY. W. H. Y.

why why tell me why the sky is so the high?
no , not this question. 

The question is if you cannot give direct reply, please tell us why you cannot give direct reply. So, am not asking for disclosure. Am asking the Y.

Who is Responsible and or  Accountable ?
Who is not Responsible and or Accountable ? 

Any answer to the above 3 questions would be greatly appreciated.

regards
the person who holds himself accountable to Pay and Pay the S &amp; C C</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think we should give him a break.<br />
I think we should just ask him the reverse question.<br />
teo, if you cannot disclose,<br />
convince the electorate, the WHY. W. H. Y.</p>
<p>why why tell me why the sky is so the high?<br />
no , not this question. </p>
<p>The question is if you cannot give direct reply, please tell us why you cannot give direct reply. So, am not asking for disclosure. Am asking the Y.</p>
<p>Who is Responsible and or  Accountable ?<br />
Who is not Responsible and or Accountable ? </p>
<p>Any answer to the above 3 questions would be greatly appreciated.</p>
<p>regards<br />
the person who holds himself accountable to Pay and Pay the S &amp; C C</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 06:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;When asked if town councils might lose more money from their other investments, Dr Teo said that he did not have the details of their investments and declined comment about his town council, Holland-Bukit Panjang.&quot;

If Dr Teo did not have the details of the TC investment, then why is he handling 14 PAP TC under his care. And actually what Dr Teo doing? That means all 14 PAP TC does not report to Dr Teo as their chief, then why do we need Dr Teo in the first place. 14 PAP TC can do what they like without let their so call head know.

Dr Teo, please think properly before you give your talk, Singapore Citizen are asking you a definite questions, at least do your part to look into the matters and explain back to us and not push away our question by saying this kind of statement of not knowing the investment detail and decline to comments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;When asked if town councils might lose more money from their other investments, Dr Teo said that he did not have the details of their investments and declined comment about his town council, Holland-Bukit Panjang.&#8221;</p>
<p>If Dr Teo did not have the details of the TC investment, then why is he handling 14 PAP TC under his care. And actually what Dr Teo doing? That means all 14 PAP TC does not report to Dr Teo as their chief, then why do we need Dr Teo in the first place. 14 PAP TC can do what they like without let their so call head know.</p>
<p>Dr Teo, please think properly before you give your talk, Singapore Citizen are asking you a definite questions, at least do your part to look into the matters and explain back to us and not push away our question by saying this kind of statement of not knowing the investment detail and decline to comments.</p>
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		<title>By: Make History</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-2/#comment-36494</link>
		<dc:creator>Make History</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 05:23:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with many here that there is a deep seated problem with singaporeans.
If we can get full disclosure, then history has been made.

I hope we can.

CHANGE is possible - but only if the people wants it.

regards
Ashamed sporeano</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with many here that there is a deep seated problem with singaporeans.<br />
If we can get full disclosure, then history has been made.</p>
<p>I hope we can.</p>
<p>CHANGE is possible &#8211; but only if the people wants it.</p>
<p>regards<br />
Ashamed sporeano</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Goh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gilbert Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 04:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Logicalman:

YA it pains me to see that we can&#039;t do anything even when we feel that the system is faulty.

This is our fault as the country has given them this mandate to rule over us. We have no one to blame but ourselves. 

They will tell you that it&#039;s your fault as you have voted for us all this while and I have given you first world status, highest GDP in SE Asia, clean and corrupt-free govt, reserves of up to $300 billion, No 1 airport in the world for well over ten years, best port in the world for well over five years, best place in SE Asia to do business, highest lteracy in SE Asia, highest home ownership in Asia, and many other world accolades. What more do you want from me?

Without the ruling party, your wives and daughters will becaome maids  overseas, you will drink water from the river and harvest padi off the land.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Logicalman:</p>
<p>YA it pains me to see that we can&#8217;t do anything even when we feel that the system is faulty.</p>
<p>This is our fault as the country has given them this mandate to rule over us. We have no one to blame but ourselves. </p>
<p>They will tell you that it&#8217;s your fault as you have voted for us all this while and I have given you first world status, highest GDP in SE Asia, clean and corrupt-free govt, reserves of up to $300 billion, No 1 airport in the world for well over ten years, best port in the world for well over five years, best place in SE Asia to do business, highest lteracy in SE Asia, highest home ownership in Asia, and many other world accolades. What more do you want from me?</p>
<p>Without the ruling party, your wives and daughters will becaome maids  overseas, you will drink water from the river and harvest padi off the land.</p>
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		<title>By: theonlinecitizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-1/#comment-36482</link>
		<dc:creator>theonlinecitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:36:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi everyone,

A preliminary update on the letter to the town councils.

So far, 18 people have sent the template email to their town councils. (These are only those who have cc-ed their email to TOC. Some others have sent it on their own but we can&#039;t confirm them as they&#039;re not copied to TOC.)

Out of the 18 emails, only one have received a reply from an MP.

We will update readers in an article on Tuesday - one week after we published the call for readers to write to their TCs.

Meantime, we hope more of you will do the same. 

Thanks.

Regards,
Andrew Loh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi everyone,</p>
<p>A preliminary update on the letter to the town councils.</p>
<p>So far, 18 people have sent the template email to their town councils. (These are only those who have cc-ed their email to TOC. Some others have sent it on their own but we can&#8217;t confirm them as they&#8217;re not copied to TOC.)</p>
<p>Out of the 18 emails, only one have received a reply from an MP.</p>
<p>We will update readers in an article on Tuesday &#8211; one week after we published the call for readers to write to their TCs.</p>
<p>Meantime, we hope more of you will do the same. </p>
<p>Thanks.</p>
<p>Regards,<br />
Andrew Loh</p>
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		<title>By: Fever Guy</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-1/#comment-36471</link>
		<dc:creator>Fever Guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 03:15:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is a very serious issue, it just gives me the creep that gahmen even MPs have no idea of financial prudence. They are just like Wall Street executives, risk taking at the expense of shareholders and taxpayers. Greed has made them blind. I am not sure if Dr Teo really is ignorant of the investments but i am very sure he is wanting high returns from TC investments in risky products. Can he deny he never know? All these act ignorant stuffs is giving me goose bumps all over, it really frighten me what is going on with the authorities who seems lost with all these investments losses starting from GIC, Temasek and now our very own TC. A true leader will step out and admit the fault and resign gracefully. I think we elected boys scouts not leaders.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a very serious issue, it just gives me the creep that gahmen even MPs have no idea of financial prudence. They are just like Wall Street executives, risk taking at the expense of shareholders and taxpayers. Greed has made them blind. I am not sure if Dr Teo really is ignorant of the investments but i am very sure he is wanting high returns from TC investments in risky products. Can he deny he never know? All these act ignorant stuffs is giving me goose bumps all over, it really frighten me what is going on with the authorities who seems lost with all these investments losses starting from GIC, Temasek and now our very own TC. A true leader will step out and admit the fault and resign gracefully. I think we elected boys scouts not leaders.</p>
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		<title>By: kf</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-1/#comment-36467</link>
		<dc:creator>kf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:57:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This guy still has a career ahead ? 
You don&#039;t get paid hefty sums to stand in front of everyone and say you don&#039;t have the details for such a large amount of funds when facing investment queries and details. In fact, even before the public opens their mouths, you are supposed to clear up the entire picture. Looks like you&#039;re (at least) 2 levels lower, not Division 1.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This guy still has a career ahead ?<br />
You don&#8217;t get paid hefty sums to stand in front of everyone and say you don&#8217;t have the details for such a large amount of funds when facing investment queries and details. In fact, even before the public opens their mouths, you are supposed to clear up the entire picture. Looks like you&#8217;re (at least) 2 levels lower, not Division 1.</p>
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		<title>By: Naive investor</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-1/#comment-36466</link>
		<dc:creator>Naive investor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is Dr Ho saying that his TC just gives monies to the RM or Fund Manager without holding his TC accountability.

&#039;It&#039;s an honest mistake, let&#039;s move on&#039;

&#039;We are vulnerable to external world situations as we are a small country, there are leakages. (btw, still trying to find PM Lee&#039;s such comments in TOC)  When we are successfully, it is because of our right policy, build the correct infra-structure.  But when we failed, there are factors beyond our control&#039;.   Sound familar?  The sole proprietors or owners of small business lamenting &quot;we are small companies subjected to M Porter&#039;s forces which squeeze us,  bankers don&#039;t listen to us, our distribution channels don&#039;t support us. etc etc&quot;.

But do all these sole proprietors and owners get to earn millions of dollars continously for 5 years or even success years on 2nd terms, to 3rd.... (US President sits only for 2 terms.)?  But our ministers do.  So I have higher expectation in quality of judgements, responsiveness and decision making, ownership, accountability, etc.

In reponse to 14 Lim Peter, does Dr Ho know how much has the TC been investing and lost in our local market since probably the toix products are too far away, geograhically or financially?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is Dr Ho saying that his TC just gives monies to the RM or Fund Manager without holding his TC accountability.</p>
<p>&#8216;It&#8217;s an honest mistake, let&#8217;s move on&#8217;</p>
<p>&#8216;We are vulnerable to external world situations as we are a small country, there are leakages. (btw, still trying to find PM Lee&#8217;s such comments in TOC)  When we are successfully, it is because of our right policy, build the correct infra-structure.  But when we failed, there are factors beyond our control&#8217;.   Sound familar?  The sole proprietors or owners of small business lamenting &#8220;we are small companies subjected to M Porter&#8217;s forces which squeeze us,  bankers don&#8217;t listen to us, our distribution channels don&#8217;t support us. etc etc&#8221;.</p>
<p>But do all these sole proprietors and owners get to earn millions of dollars continously for 5 years or even success years on 2nd terms, to 3rd&#8230;. (US President sits only for 2 terms.)?  But our ministers do.  So I have higher expectation in quality of judgements, responsiveness and decision making, ownership, accountability, etc.</p>
<p>In reponse to 14 Lim Peter, does Dr Ho know how much has the TC been investing and lost in our local market since probably the toix products are too far away, geograhically or financially?</p>
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		<title>By: YODI</title>
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		<dc:creator>YODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:34:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our government always prides itself on having the top people run singapore. They always advocate that they have to pay them high wages so as to prevent corruption. That to me is utter rubbish. 

Now with this town council debacle we can clearly see that thepeople in charge dont seem capable and seem cocky when asked about the finances and losses. So the government seems to have failed in this aspect.

It does mean that if you are put in charge of the peoples town councils and have acess to the finances you are not accountable. Looks like the pandora box has been opened and there will be more to come out and be revealed. If the people in charge of town councils dont feel that they are suited to run them , then step down and depart into the sunset. You or any of us are not indispensible in singapore. No one is except only one. You know I know who lah.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our government always prides itself on having the top people run singapore. They always advocate that they have to pay them high wages so as to prevent corruption. That to me is utter rubbish. </p>
<p>Now with this town council debacle we can clearly see that thepeople in charge dont seem capable and seem cocky when asked about the finances and losses. So the government seems to have failed in this aspect.</p>
<p>It does mean that if you are put in charge of the peoples town councils and have acess to the finances you are not accountable. Looks like the pandora box has been opened and there will be more to come out and be revealed. If the people in charge of town councils dont feel that they are suited to run them , then step down and depart into the sunset. You or any of us are not indispensible in singapore. No one is except only one. You know I know who lah.</p>
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		<title>By: loop</title>
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		<dc:creator>loop</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 02:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dr Teo Ho Pin,

I am a resident of Holland Bukit-Panjang Town Council.  Please explain how you can retrieve the millions our town council has lost?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Teo Ho Pin,</p>
<p>I am a resident of Holland Bukit-Panjang Town Council.  Please explain how you can retrieve the millions our town council has lost?</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 01:17:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

since made loss in investment &#039;lehman brother&#039;

be open la...

now more worry if got more loss made or not, scared scared...

then how to overcome the financial downturn, how??

not sure we comment/give our views here, got PEOPLE see or not huh?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>since made loss in investment &#8216;lehman brother&#8217;</p>
<p>be open la&#8230;</p>
<p>now more worry if got more loss made or not, scared scared&#8230;</p>
<p>then how to overcome the financial downturn, how??</p>
<p>not sure we comment/give our views here, got PEOPLE see or not huh?</p>
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		<title>By: logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 00:23:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>typo in my post no. 41: should be arrears instead of appears. Sorry about that :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>typo in my post no. 41: should be arrears instead of appears. Sorry about that :P</p>
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		<title>By: smallvice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:53:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Divide and Conquer. Lets focus on Alternative ways to get the same effect as petition which offers no Anonymity. If we cannot conquer this obstacle, there is not hope in conquering other bigger obstacles.&lt;/i&gt; - Barney Meh (#35)

Good point. If Singaporeans can&#039;t overcome anonymity and climate of fear, there will be no change in Singapore. Overcoming the climate of fear has to be done by both politicians and electorate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Divide and Conquer. Lets focus on Alternative ways to get the same effect as petition which offers no Anonymity. If we cannot conquer this obstacle, there is not hope in conquering other bigger obstacles.</i> &#8211; Barney Meh (#35)</p>
<p>Good point. If Singaporeans can&#8217;t overcome anonymity and climate of fear, there will be no change in Singapore. Overcoming the climate of fear has to be done by both politicians and electorate.</p>
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		<title>By: logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 23:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi Gilbert, I had the same thought about protesting by withholding payment for S&amp;C Charges, but then again, it can be daunting for the average guy if he&#039;s expected to deal with a lawyer&#039;s letter. I&#039;d the privilege of being slapped with a lawyer&#039;s letter over something else and I don&#039;t think it&#039;s everyone&#039;s cup of tea. Furthermore, unlike minibond investors who risk losing everything unless something is done, hdb dwellors risk paying more than their appears if they don&#039;t pay up now. Unhappy as people are, how many would actually do this, or even show up at an organised protest? We differ largely from South Koreans in this aspect.

Perhaps we should petition to the opposition MPs, NMPs and even the President. They represent the people, don&#039;t they? Have them present a proposal to the Govt that no S&amp;C charges to be collected until an independent COI has reviewed the issues surrounding the town council&#039;s collection and use of our monies, and made recommendations. If this doesn&#039;t bear fruit, we can consider something more drastic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi Gilbert, I had the same thought about protesting by withholding payment for S&amp;C Charges, but then again, it can be daunting for the average guy if he&#8217;s expected to deal with a lawyer&#8217;s letter. I&#8217;d the privilege of being slapped with a lawyer&#8217;s letter over something else and I don&#8217;t think it&#8217;s everyone&#8217;s cup of tea. Furthermore, unlike minibond investors who risk losing everything unless something is done, hdb dwellors risk paying more than their appears if they don&#8217;t pay up now. Unhappy as people are, how many would actually do this, or even show up at an organised protest? We differ largely from South Koreans in this aspect.</p>
<p>Perhaps we should petition to the opposition MPs, NMPs and even the President. They represent the people, don&#8217;t they? Have them present a proposal to the Govt that no S&amp;C charges to be collected until an independent COI has reviewed the issues surrounding the town council&#8217;s collection and use of our monies, and made recommendations. If this doesn&#8217;t bear fruit, we can consider something more drastic.</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Goh</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-1/#comment-36404</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Goh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 22:04:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>34) Yang Chen Ling:

Actually we don&#039;t need to depend on TKL or Mr Leong to raise this issue for us. All of us have the right to do so at HLP as now it is a legal ground for protest.

We need more people who are passionate about issues that affect us to stand up and be counted. We need more TKLs and Mr Leong to come out from their homes. I am not saying they are not effective but we need more people like them to take the lead.

I will take the lead if I am in Singapore now but sad to say I am overseas now. Many Singaporeans worldwide are logged on to this site as even when we are abroad, our heart is veruymuch at home. We all love our country too much for it to go downhill like this.

I bet that if someone here annouce that he is willing to lead this TC protest at HLP, many people will turn up to support. Am I right Singaporeans?

If Singaporeans continue to grumble at the govt as  netizens, I am afriad that we won&#039;t go very far advocating for change.

If you do it, it is for your children and children&#039;s children as Tiredsingaporean has aptly mentioned earlier here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>34) Yang Chen Ling:</p>
<p>Actually we don&#8217;t need to depend on TKL or Mr Leong to raise this issue for us. All of us have the right to do so at HLP as now it is a legal ground for protest.</p>
<p>We need more people who are passionate about issues that affect us to stand up and be counted. We need more TKLs and Mr Leong to come out from their homes. I am not saying they are not effective but we need more people like them to take the lead.</p>
<p>I will take the lead if I am in Singapore now but sad to say I am overseas now. Many Singaporeans worldwide are logged on to this site as even when we are abroad, our heart is veruymuch at home. We all love our country too much for it to go downhill like this.</p>
<p>I bet that if someone here annouce that he is willing to lead this TC protest at HLP, many people will turn up to support. Am I right Singaporeans?</p>
<p>If Singaporeans continue to grumble at the govt as  netizens, I am afriad that we won&#8217;t go very far advocating for change.</p>
<p>If you do it, it is for your children and children&#8217;s children as Tiredsingaporean has aptly mentioned earlier here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahgong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-1/#comment-36394</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahgong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 18:40:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I seems to unable to locate the FY07/08 report for holland-bukit panjang TC, anyone has any ideas where it is?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I seems to unable to locate the FY07/08 report for holland-bukit panjang TC, anyone has any ideas where it is?</p>
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		<title>By: Disillusioned PAP member</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/being-open-but-not-quite/comment-page-1/#comment-36379</link>
		<dc:creator>Disillusioned PAP member</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 16:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Leong Sze Hian should be his sidekick as the deputy President. gotta give credit to Mr Leong as well for exposing the big truth of our town council&#039;s sinking funds and SC charges rising up higher than inflation</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Leong Sze Hian should be his sidekick as the deputy President. gotta give credit to Mr Leong as well for exposing the big truth of our town council&#8217;s sinking funds and SC charges rising up higher than inflation</p>
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