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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/it-just-makes-your-blood-boil/comment-page-1/#comment-36553</link>
		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

… 81 percent of residents said they were willing to pay more for service and conservancy to enjoy the new flat designs. About half of them said they were willing to pay above S$10 more than the usual rates.

do anyone know who are being interviewed???

aiyoyo</description>
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<p>… 81 percent of residents said they were willing to pay more for service and conservancy to enjoy the new flat designs. About half of them said they were willing to pay above S$10 more than the usual rates.</p>
<p>do anyone know who are being interviewed???</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/it-just-makes-your-blood-boil/comment-page-1/#comment-35599</link>
		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It feel so sick that so many citizens are fighting like mad just barely to make ends meet while the TCs illegally losses the 16millions of our taxpayers monies and still can say its just a few percentage only, and worst when those who are jobless or being retrenched and cannot afford to pay their monthly dues, these TCs just throw them in court and further slapped them with another fines, where do you want them to find that extra $$$ to pay the fines  when they already unable to pay their SC&amp;C charges? you are just driving the people to their graves!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It feel so sick that so many citizens are fighting like mad just barely to make ends meet while the TCs illegally losses the 16millions of our taxpayers monies and still can say its just a few percentage only, and worst when those who are jobless or being retrenched and cannot afford to pay their monthly dues, these TCs just throw them in court and further slapped them with another fines, where do you want them to find that extra $$$ to pay the fines  when they already unable to pay their SC&amp;C charges? you are just driving the people to their graves!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: jefj0901</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>$16 million dollars went up in smoke and we only got to know it after the egg turned bad. At least we got to know of it.. I didn&#039;t know  TC could invest in risk investments which apparently it did . I mean we should know of this before they make a decision in investing..At least now we can see whats cooking in our govt backyard..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>$16 million dollars went up in smoke and we only got to know it after the egg turned bad. At least we got to know of it.. I didn&#8217;t know  TC could invest in risk investments which apparently it did . I mean we should know of this before they make a decision in investing..At least now we can see whats cooking in our govt backyard..</p>
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		<title>By: SimpleAsThat</title>
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		<dc:creator>SimpleAsThat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 06:38:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teo Ho Pin should be thankful he is drawing high salary from the people.

Simple as that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teo Ho Pin should be thankful he is drawing high salary from the people.</p>
<p>Simple as that.</p>
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		<title>By: Teo Hopeless Pin</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/it-just-makes-your-blood-boil/comment-page-1/#comment-35043</link>
		<dc:creator>Teo Hopeless Pin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 05:53:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#44
So at the next GE, let&#039;s all do our best to encourage those who will be able to vote to cast a vote against the PAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#44<br />
So at the next GE, let&#8217;s all do our best to encourage those who will be able to vote to cast a vote against the PAP.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/it-just-makes-your-blood-boil/comment-page-1/#comment-35032</link>
		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:48:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With all these ugly things already discovered by the people, how much more are still tightly hidden? We cannot just stop here, the digging have to be continual. Even if we cannot get rid of these idiots in GE, we will ensure that the 66.6% be down to 50/50 at least to get in more alternative parties to represent the people&#039;s accountants in parliament. These garments are already too good with their backdoor activities all these years and the people must not let them do what thay like anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With all these ugly things already discovered by the people, how much more are still tightly hidden? We cannot just stop here, the digging have to be continual. Even if we cannot get rid of these idiots in GE, we will ensure that the 66.6% be down to 50/50 at least to get in more alternative parties to represent the people&#8217;s accountants in parliament. These garments are already too good with their backdoor activities all these years and the people must not let them do what thay like anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: sick</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/it-just-makes-your-blood-boil/comment-page-1/#comment-35023</link>
		<dc:creator>sick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 04:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was so naive in thinking that our TC don&#039;t have much money for the montly budget.How wrong i was.They even have surplus to play the stockmarket.What is our elected opposition going to do?absolutly nothing.Like President Obama say,time for a change.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was so naive in thinking that our TC don&#8217;t have much money for the montly budget.How wrong i was.They even have surplus to play the stockmarket.What is our elected opposition going to do?absolutly nothing.Like President Obama say,time for a change.</p>
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		<title>By: Teo Hopeless Pin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Teo Hopeless Pin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 23:39:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PAP has lost touch with reality.  That is what happens when you pay people astronomical salaries.  They no longer understand what the common man goes through.  They have become arrogant and only see themselves as an elite taking care of a dumb and incapable populace.   People like Teo Ho Pin have learnt the art of arrogance well from his master, LKY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PAP has lost touch with reality.  That is what happens when you pay people astronomical salaries.  They no longer understand what the common man goes through.  They have become arrogant and only see themselves as an elite taking care of a dumb and incapable populace.   People like Teo Ho Pin have learnt the art of arrogance well from his master, LKY.</p>
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		<title>By: TC</title>
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		<dc:creator>TC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:54:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m getting increasingly furious at the ruling party, at the hubris, at their increasing arrogance, at how they are looking at themselves, forgetting that they are elected to SERVE, not to LORD it over the people.  I can&#039;t believe my eyes when that guy who lost $8m can say that the people should be thankful to them for making money over the last 5 years with the sinking funds.  I can&#039;t believe it when GCT 4 months ago says that people should monitor Hougang TC&#039;s accounts carefully and it turns out that its their OWN TCs that are playing fast and loose with the people&#039;s money, AND no one comes out to apologise or be held accountable for it.  I can&#039;t believe it when the government would rather take the side of the banks (read: big business) against the people.  I can&#039;t believe it when after all the fiascos under this one-party, no-accountability, no-transparency system, they can say that the one party system is still the only system for Singapore.  I can&#039;t believe it when the people continue to take all these thrown their way, hook, line and sinker. 

And the worst part?  I will predict that come next GE, people will still fear &quot;rocking the boat&quot; and will dutifully tick the box next to the lightning sign, and nothing will change, and I will still say even then that I can&#039;t believe it.

Not to be cliche, but I need change I can believe in.

But I despair that I will ever see it in this lifetime.

Un-f-ing-believeable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m getting increasingly furious at the ruling party, at the hubris, at their increasing arrogance, at how they are looking at themselves, forgetting that they are elected to SERVE, not to LORD it over the people.  I can&#8217;t believe my eyes when that guy who lost $8m can say that the people should be thankful to them for making money over the last 5 years with the sinking funds.  I can&#8217;t believe it when GCT 4 months ago says that people should monitor Hougang TC&#8217;s accounts carefully and it turns out that its their OWN TCs that are playing fast and loose with the people&#8217;s money, AND no one comes out to apologise or be held accountable for it.  I can&#8217;t believe it when the government would rather take the side of the banks (read: big business) against the people.  I can&#8217;t believe it when after all the fiascos under this one-party, no-accountability, no-transparency system, they can say that the one party system is still the only system for Singapore.  I can&#8217;t believe it when the people continue to take all these thrown their way, hook, line and sinker. </p>
<p>And the worst part?  I will predict that come next GE, people will still fear &#8220;rocking the boat&#8221; and will dutifully tick the box next to the lightning sign, and nothing will change, and I will still say even then that I can&#8217;t believe it.</p>
<p>Not to be cliche, but I need change I can believe in.</p>
<p>But I despair that I will ever see it in this lifetime.</p>
<p>Un-f-ing-believeable.</p>
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		<title>By: logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:18:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 36 59er &quot;If we had betrayed the people’s trust, we would have been rejected&quot;

Let&#039;s give LKY credit. He said &quot;We&quot;. Indeed, &quot;we&quot; refers to the old guards who have passed away; they are a mostly respectable group. Now, whatever track record and accomplishments Singapore had did not come about through LKY alone, the new generation of PAP leaders or the current President. This tripartite can look us in the face and ask us whether we accept them, and what they will get is a resounding &quot;Phui!&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 36 59er &#8220;If we had betrayed the people’s trust, we would have been rejected&#8221;</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s give LKY credit. He said &#8220;We&#8221;. Indeed, &#8220;we&#8221; refers to the old guards who have passed away; they are a mostly respectable group. Now, whatever track record and accomplishments Singapore had did not come about through LKY alone, the new generation of PAP leaders or the current President. This tripartite can look us in the face and ask us whether we accept them, and what they will get is a resounding &#8220;Phui!&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 14:01:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 13 What can $12 million do? &quot;putting up mega posters of PAP MPs beaming down at us during major festivals&quot;

They look more like they are laughing at us and looking down at us, hapless citizens useful only for fattening their paychecks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 13 What can $12 million do? &#8220;putting up mega posters of PAP MPs beaming down at us during major festivals&#8221;</p>
<p>They look more like they are laughing at us and looking down at us, hapless citizens useful only for fattening their paychecks.</p>
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		<title>By: logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 13:57:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 10 Jackson Tan &quot;How many more TCs has yet to declared their involvement in these investments? Until then, I suppose it is justified for us to claim that these TCs lost up to 35% of their sinking funds&quot;

At least we know it&#039;s 35%. For Temasek and GIC, how big and deep their losses have been, no one knows. Any wonder why the old guard still has to literally guard these closely? He&#039;s not working hard for Singapore, just trying to preserve his reputation as long as he can. 

I think we should also seriously support the next Elected President challenger to PAP&#039;s pick. I don&#039;t believe self-checks will work. If so, there&#039;s no need for external auditing for business and corporations, and yes, like a regular poster&#039;s pseudonym, pigs can fly</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 10 Jackson Tan &#8220;How many more TCs has yet to declared their involvement in these investments? Until then, I suppose it is justified for us to claim that these TCs lost up to 35% of their sinking funds&#8221;</p>
<p>At least we know it&#8217;s 35%. For Temasek and GIC, how big and deep their losses have been, no one knows. Any wonder why the old guard still has to literally guard these closely? He&#8217;s not working hard for Singapore, just trying to preserve his reputation as long as he can. </p>
<p>I think we should also seriously support the next Elected President challenger to PAP&#8217;s pick. I don&#8217;t believe self-checks will work. If so, there&#8217;s no need for external auditing for business and corporations, and yes, like a regular poster&#8217;s pseudonym, pigs can fly</p>
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		<title>By: hitachi08</title>
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		<dc:creator>hitachi08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 12:28:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LKY is history ... 

looks at what people say of him in sg forum --&gt; &quot;LKY when are you going to die?&quot;

thats what the younger generation think of him, remember him, and pass down to the future generation

it makes me sad reading that forum topic</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LKY is history &#8230; </p>
<p>looks at what people say of him in sg forum &#8211;&gt; &#8220;LKY when are you going to die?&#8221;</p>
<p>thats what the younger generation think of him, remember him, and pass down to the future generation</p>
<p>it makes me sad reading that forum topic</p>
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		<title>By: 59er</title>
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		<dc:creator>59er</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 11:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Quote gemami

&quot;I don’t think it is as simple as self-checks anymore. There have been too many things that had been left unchecked and are only now surfacing. How much more we do not know? 

This is the result of our own misplaced trust in a govt who had been able to sweet-talk its way into our hearts, minds and souls. 

There have to be checks and these checks have to be made by the people of Singapore. We must now demand full disclosure. 

Everything they invested in and how they perform have to be laid out in the open.
There is no longer any choice. 

Singaporeans have lost their trust and faith in the PAP govt. Even their most ardent supporters are beginning to lose faith in them, what more you and I, whose eyes have been opened to their rubbishy promises all along.&quot;
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I agreed totally with what gemami said. For decades we have supported the PAP govt fully in their decisions and activities, many a times against our personal interest as well as better judgement.

I quote from LKY&#039;s memoir-From Third World to First, page 143
&quot;Our critics believed we stayed in power because we have been hard on our opponents. This is simplistic. If we had betrayed the people&#039;s trust, we would have been rejected.&quot;

Yes, the PAP have betrayed the people&#039;s trust, and I question their legitimacy to govern.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Quote gemami</p>
<p>&#8220;I don’t think it is as simple as self-checks anymore. There have been too many things that had been left unchecked and are only now surfacing. How much more we do not know? </p>
<p>This is the result of our own misplaced trust in a govt who had been able to sweet-talk its way into our hearts, minds and souls. </p>
<p>There have to be checks and these checks have to be made by the people of Singapore. We must now demand full disclosure. </p>
<p>Everything they invested in and how they perform have to be laid out in the open.<br />
There is no longer any choice. </p>
<p>Singaporeans have lost their trust and faith in the PAP govt. Even their most ardent supporters are beginning to lose faith in them, what more you and I, whose eyes have been opened to their rubbishy promises all along.&#8221;<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;<br />
I agreed totally with what gemami said. For decades we have supported the PAP govt fully in their decisions and activities, many a times against our personal interest as well as better judgement.</p>
<p>I quote from LKY&#8217;s memoir-From Third World to First, page 143<br />
&#8220;Our critics believed we stayed in power because we have been hard on our opponents. This is simplistic. If we had betrayed the people&#8217;s trust, we would have been rejected.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, the PAP have betrayed the people&#8217;s trust, and I question their legitimacy to govern.</p>
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		<title>By: Q</title>
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		<dc:creator>Q</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 05:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YES Let&#039;s not be fooled by them again! They never have the hearts to serve the people in the first place!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YES Let&#8217;s not be fooled by them again! They never have the hearts to serve the people in the first place!</p>
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		<title>By: hitachi08</title>
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		<dc:creator>hitachi08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:25:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>our TC practice remind me of NKF ... 

there are so many similiarities

- huge reserve (more than what they need)
- no transparency
- overcharge in fee
- no apology no guilt no accountability

the only differences?

- NKF by TT durai --&gt; charged &amp; jailed
- TC by PAP ---&gt; honest mistake, lets move on</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>our TC practice remind me of NKF &#8230; </p>
<p>there are so many similiarities</p>
<p>- huge reserve (more than what they need)<br />
- no transparency<br />
- overcharge in fee<br />
- no apology no guilt no accountability</p>
<p>the only differences?</p>
<p>- NKF by TT durai &#8211;&gt; charged &amp; jailed<br />
- TC by PAP &#8212;&gt; honest mistake, lets move on</p>
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		<title>By: hitachi08</title>
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		<dc:creator>hitachi08</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 04:11:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PAP MP is not only stupid, but idiotic as well ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PAP MP is not only stupid, but idiotic as well &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DARTH VADER</title>
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		<dc:creator>DARTH VADER</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 18:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our leaders travel around the world showing off how wealthy they are and live in 5 Star hotels at the taxpayers expense.

Monthly they collect huge salaries to justify their contribution to be so called voted in leaders. And they show such disdain for the poor. It is a sad day for all singaporeans to finally realise the simple truths that they are not what they semm to be. Government of the people for the people but really for themselves. 

They dont seem to have any guity conscience.Thank god I am not one of them and never will. I have never voted for the PAP and never will. Even on my dying bed I will not. They truly stand for Pay And Pay, Pain and Pain And Pray And Pray that the day will come when they will have to Pay for their Pains that they have caused to all singaporeans. 

Please dont associate yourselves with all of us. What goes around comes around in due course.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our leaders travel around the world showing off how wealthy they are and live in 5 Star hotels at the taxpayers expense.</p>
<p>Monthly they collect huge salaries to justify their contribution to be so called voted in leaders. And they show such disdain for the poor. It is a sad day for all singaporeans to finally realise the simple truths that they are not what they semm to be. Government of the people for the people but really for themselves. </p>
<p>They dont seem to have any guity conscience.Thank god I am not one of them and never will. I have never voted for the PAP and never will. Even on my dying bed I will not. They truly stand for Pay And Pay, Pain and Pain And Pray And Pray that the day will come when they will have to Pay for their Pains that they have caused to all singaporeans. </p>
<p>Please dont associate yourselves with all of us. What goes around comes around in due course.</p>
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		<title>By: rebel peasant</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebel peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 13:50:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think they would. To them,any way which does not hurt their already overflowing pockets is a good solution. Then when people ask,they&#039;ll just say that&#039;s it&#039;s our fault for &quot;not being grateful&quot;.

If only I could vote....I am only in sec school...damn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think they would. To them,any way which does not hurt their already overflowing pockets is a good solution. Then when people ask,they&#8217;ll just say that&#8217;s it&#8217;s our fault for &#8220;not being grateful&#8221;.</p>
<p>If only I could vote&#8230;.I am only in sec school&#8230;damn.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/it-just-makes-your-blood-boil/comment-page-1/#comment-34534</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Nov 2008 12:03:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Would they take the citizen&#039;s call to stop investments as &lt;i&gt;yet&lt;/i&gt; another excuse to raise charges and taxes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Would they take the citizen&#8217;s call to stop investments as <i>yet</i> another excuse to raise charges and taxes?</p>
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