Belgium Govt RESIGNED after being accused by HIGH COURT of intefering with court case
http://sgfrag.net/2008/12/20/belgium-govt-resigned-after-being-accused-by-high-court-of-intefering-with-court-case/

Look at how MM Lee, PM Lee and GCT abuse their power to quote Caveat Emptor and put the blame on the investors unfairly and to influence judge’s decision without knowing what is wrong with FI. Not only these elite people happily get away with their insensitive remarks, they even keep total silence when their remark backfire on the Town Council investment. Pay peanut to get monkey but we pay fortune to get monkey or worse fat idle gorilla that do nothing but pour cold water on the people they trampled. And to think that they continue to rule with such dishonourble attitudes and incompetency.

C’mon. Mr Tan is doing something which he does not need to do in order to help the needy. We should refrain from hitting him with personal attacks on things no one can prove he has done.

When we eat hawker food at $3 a bowl, our expectation of the quality of the food is different from fine dining food at $300 a person.

Hence, if our politicians and civil servants are paid top dollar for their services, our expectation must necessarily be high. Good service, clean cutlery and hygenic food in a fine dining restaurant is a given. No undue credit should be given here.

I find that voting is just one small part of the whole political game. Of course, one wants to use one’s vote to decide the fate on which candidate or party he wants to rule the land.

In politically apathetic Singapore, we need a complete rewiring on how we think politically. We often relate politics to candidates going to the polls. We have never thought of being more open to political discussion, how we are governed or how policies are created into law. Can we do something useful for our country? Politics is actually doing stuff that allow us to love our country more.

How many of us have go to the PAP forums for discussion? They are useful platforms to be plugged into our political bloodstream. Do we read and write on political stuff? It does not mean that we will need to join a political party to be politically in tune.

Joinging such discussion blog like TOC is already a big step in ebing politically involved as we all talk and discuss about issues that matter. Politics is really not just for the politicians it is for all who love their country too much.

The above happened but what can we do, its already happened, what can we do, he is gone, so no more, finished, he is not one of us anymore, so cannot affect our party. – tiredsingaporean (#52)

This highlights the blind faith people put to the PAP brand. Someone commented on TOC that he will vote for any PAP candidate, claiming that PAP has a leadership scheme to groom PAP members into potential MPs and future ministers, believing only the very best will made it to MP and Ministerial level. We have an example of PAP’s very best commiting suicide over corruption.

And I thought MAS is being a nuisance to the Singapore’s livelihood as a financial hub.

Well said.

I will take some action though. If these sessions going to be there for the next two months, I can do a part-time job of selling foldable chairs, mini-fans, umbrellas, newspapers, food and drinks, ice-cream to the attendees and make a quick buck for my next investment. If I can earn $4~$5 from each of the 400 ~ 500 attendees over the 2 hours, it’s good money!

Hi, I totally, sincerely extremely agree with u tat Mr Tan is a Nuisance. Basically his a Nuisance to the Authorties. Since if there wasn’t any collective action on the part of the investers, likely the Standard Rejection Letter tat was sent to most investors would ve end the case.

Then with the famous quotes of

U walk in with Eyes Open
The Gov cannot Decide for u

And the long time no heard

Tat’s Life~~~

And then it would be case close already. Thus Mr Tan… tsk tsk…

But then again, i support wat Mr Tan is doing. =D There is action actually, his action is to try and move MAS to action. Sincerely, 1 person alone will be unable to slap the FIs awake nor is 1 person alone able to command a full spectrum of independent investigators to ensure a clean investigation. Thus Mr Tan is basically trying his best, to gather enough evidence, etc from the investors to try and convince MAS to move.

Who says there’s no action? =X
Did u see all the trash bags on Sat? Loads of Action + pple assisting to clear up the mess.

To each his own. There always people who support the actions of Mr. Tan and those who choose to have a differing opinion. In “forcing” people who accept what you think, you are no different from a political party that we all know.

I for one think that, despite his effort, Mr. Tan, is causing more nuisance and complicate the resolution of the matter. Don’t you realise by now, there are a lot of noise and little action? And this is just my personal opinion and I don’t expect you or anyone else to agree with me. Feel free to disagree – I may not say what you want me to say but at least I speak my mind.

I am much saddened by the unfair comments and sometime personal attacks of some netizens on Mr Tan Kin Lian. In the past I have negotiated with Mr Tan in business and he did came across as a tough guy representing the interests of NTUC Income.
In what Mr Tan is doing presently (and it is not easy) – and even though the aggrieved investors is relatively a small number, he is providing real help and mind you, he is not paid. His action may not be appreciated by MAS but his efforts have the effect of nailing the conscience of all the corporate umbrellas under which the financial institutions’ relationship managers, “sales people”, etc hide under. In legal terms of the black and white fine print, the value of all the invested structured products can be deemed as worthless now……..
Mr Tan’s action, and here I would also like to ask if any other netizen would voluntarily get into his shoes, is taking corporate social responsibilty to task – he is indirectly buying time for any adverse quick announcement on the mini-bonds,etc, One like that of Morgan Stanley (on the Pinnacles’ notes) has decided that the S$ 26 million invested has gone to dust. People have the right to ask questions and seek re-dress on where there money have gone ? Where are the people who sold the products ? What did they promise ? What are they saying now? etc
The Government and the MAS will try but their efforts will never match the passion
of a people’s class action, and here you do need a real leader and one with experience in corporate financial matters to see that justice is done no matter the fine print, and the Singapore court must ensure that justice is seen to be done.
Thank you Mr Tan Kin Lian for stepping up.

I think you haven’t answered smallvice’s remarks about you calling Dr Chee in a negative light. Of course everyone is entitled to his or her opinion, but dun you think it’s better that you read more about the man from sources other than MSM so you can make a more informed opinion?

Hi Gibert, nicely done. Very good consolidation of the information =D.

(1987) Report of the Commission of Inquiry on Investigations Concerning the Late Mr Teh Cheang Wan. Singapore: Singapore National Printers.

http://app.cpib.gov.sg/newcpib/user/default.aspx?pgID=237

The above happened but what can we do, its already happened, what can we do, he is gone, so no more, finished, he is not one of us anymore, so cannot affect our party.

But as for the mini bond saga, what is actually happening behind, its not about the compensating of the money to the victims, they have all the monies to pay 10 or maybe 100 times more than what is lost by these victims, if they start to pay, it means that they admited their wrong doings and someone have to be responsible whom happens to be someone closed to who we all know, and they just can’t afford this to take place due to the coming GE. Just like the mas selamat case, these 2 persons can cause very bad effect on their party when the time comes GE. Get that?

1. No check and balances – history has always showed that a country being monopolised by one man or group will end up to the detriment of the country. Think Hitler, Amin and Deng Xiao Peng and you will know what I mean. Check and balances can be done outside of Parliament e.g rising up of interest groups such as the minibond protest, etc.

2. A politically apathetic population – when a country left everything to the govt this is what will happen. We over trust the authorities and became a country that has no more loyalty and ambition. How many of us are nationalistic to the point of dying for our country when there is a war? Many I fear may fled at the small sign of trouble. We ought to go back to loving of country more not so much to create trouble to our govt but to be more involved in how it is governed. The current state left much to be desired.

3. Materialism – we are too materialistic in our approach and life’s philosophy. We depend on our govt to deliver economically instead of rightfully and ethically. We allow in a casino without even a whimper of protest as our children and children children will suffer the adverse influence because of our apathy. We vote for our govt because they have promise goodies and upgrading for our constituency instead of what is rightful and good for us. We have become materialistic for our own good. The govt knows it and use it to their advantage. Vote for me and I will upgrade your ward if not your flat valuation will drop. Vote is tied to material gains.

4. Fear- we operate and live under a climate of fear originating from our forefathers. We came out of Malaysia and had nothing. Now we have everything. Do we want to go back to having nothing again? So vote for the ruling party who has given us propserity and stability. This is so wrong and many elderly voters still believe in this philosophy.

5. Lack of brave souls willing to stand up – there is a lack of die-hard souls who are willing to stand up and be counted. Besides radical CSJ we hardly have anyone daring enough to voice out in a logical and firm manner. I am glad TKL has stood up and I hope this will allow more others to come out and
speak out in unison.

Our country needs changes and badly. My heart aches whenever I think of my beloved country. Though I am in Sydney my heart is very much at home. Home is where the heart is!

Thanks for expressing it in a way tat i wan to but can’t achieve. =D
I think ur phrasing is exactly how i wanted to say it.

Yes. I agree. I give credit when the PAP government exceeds expectation and not when it is merely doing its job. We have clean water, we have electricity. We have transport. These are examples of the PAP government doing its job. These are not examples of the PAP government exceeding expectations.

I mean, credit has to be given where it’s due. We ve clean places. We ve transport which runs. We ve clean water, We ve electricity. And many many more.

But at the same time, Cost is running high slowly but surely. For all the good things, there’s also bad things involved.

Clean Places due to Us paying S&C which was invested without our knowledge and lost and the reply is tat it’s a small amt. Our Money Lost.

Transport which runs but Prices keep going up even though Service never really improve. Now more seats taken out so as to pack more humans to improve No of Humans per Cubic Sq which will allow them to boast better efficiency. After which inc price again?

Transport which runs and the On Time is base on wat time it leaves and not wat time it reaches. For trains not a big issue but is a issue for Buses. Although Road Jams is not Bus fault, but remember y there’s so much Cars? Who Allow it?

Water, Electricity. Last i heard Electricity is going up. During a Down Turn. Nice. And sincerely these infrastructures are already in place. Maintainence Plans r already in place thus these will go on.

So yes, it’s good and bad at the same time. Thus wat i feel i wan is more Checks And Balance. Just tat. The person arguing against bad policy, i sincerely do not really care whether his hidden agenda is good or bad. But if it’s a bad policy, and he argues against it at his own risk. At the risk or being oust from his post, he would sincerely ve my vote.

Without Checks and Balance, we will just carry on being screwed over and over. We can continue to debate day and nights months yrs on this forum and nothing will change. So i hope tat for the next election we can all Vote With Our Eyes Open.

(1987) Report of the Commission of Inquiry on Investigations Concerning the Late Mr Teh Cheang Wan. Singapore: Singapore National Printers.

http://app.cpib.gov.sg/newcpib/user/default.aspx?pgID=237

So why are you uncomfortable when a non-MP engages in such activities?

yes, I do realise that Bernerd Chen is petitioning for fairer transport fees and I appreciate that, but do you realise that he’s a polytechnic student as well? And these petitions are organised by he himself with little help from his party. It’s his own personal petition organised by himself. And I don’t think there are many polytechnic students in YPAP. – Panter92 (#44)

Please name me example of a YPAP member taking up social causes and championing it to the parliament on his own accord. Does such a person even exists?

For one thing, that is impossible. But I’m talking about the GRCs. PAP is viewed collectively as a party and not as an individual candidate for a single constituency. A mistake made by one member would spread like a virus to other members and there’ll be a domino effect. – Panter92 (#44)

There is no conclusive evidence that every PAP MP from a GRC is capable of winning votes on his own merit. Also, there is also evidence of PAP MP taking bribes. He was Teh Cheang Wan, PAP MP for Geyland West from 1979 to 1984, and also Minister for National Development. He was investigated for corruption by the Corrupt Practices Investigation Bureau for accepting two bribes of $500,000 each in 1981 and 1982. He committed suicide before being charged for the offences, on December 14. In his suicide note, Teh wrote:

“I have been feeling very sad and depressed for the last two weeks. I feel responsible for the occurrence of this unfortunate incident and I feel I should accept full responsibility. As an honourable oriental gentleman I feel it is only right that I should pay the highest penalty for my mistake”

PAP does not have corrupt-free record at all.