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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31726</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 16:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>schooling by and large itself SHOULD NOT be a form of social engineering. it wasn&#039;t intended that way. its when the government starts inserting its political aims and ideals into education and management of schools that schooling in singapore becomes a means to the aim of a ideal society, aka social engineering, which should never have been the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>schooling by and large itself SHOULD NOT be a form of social engineering. it wasn&#8217;t intended that way. its when the government starts inserting its political aims and ideals into education and management of schools that schooling in singapore becomes a means to the aim of a ideal society, aka social engineering, which should never have been the case.</p>
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		<title>By: isa</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31725</link>
		<dc:creator>isa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:59:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This NSF is brain damaged..
You want humbling experience and social cohesion or whatever, 
please.. go get an education overseas or work overseas or live overseas for an extended period (at least 1 year)..

In that 1 year, I promise you that it will be a humbling experience ...and better yet, a learning experience that will prepare you to be a better man than army can.

I can promise you nothing..but this I promise you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This NSF is brain damaged..<br />
You want humbling experience and social cohesion or whatever,<br />
please.. go get an education overseas or work overseas or live overseas for an extended period (at least 1 year)..</p>
<p>In that 1 year, I promise you that it will be a humbling experience &#8230;and better yet, a learning experience that will prepare you to be a better man than army can.</p>
<p>I can promise you nothing..but this I promise you.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31718</link>
		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 15:16:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;When you justify conscription based on your ideas about how society should be shape into some utopia, you justify just about any kind of coercion.&lt;/i&gt; - back to basics (#13)

And schooling in Singapore isn&#039;t a form of social engineering?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>When you justify conscription based on your ideas about how society should be shape into some utopia, you justify just about any kind of coercion.</i> &#8211; back to basics (#13)</p>
<p>And schooling in Singapore isn&#8217;t a form of social engineering?</p>
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		<title>By: Senior Citizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31711</link>
		<dc:creator>Senior Citizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:47:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well done, young man.  NS should be like you said, &quot;build cohesion among the different groups of Singaporeans&quot;.  However it seemed that it had become another institution where &quot;streaming&quot; takes place.  No wonder people do not see the meaning of serving NS.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well done, young man.  NS should be like you said, &#8220;build cohesion among the different groups of Singaporeans&#8221;.  However it seemed that it had become another institution where &#8220;streaming&#8221; takes place.  No wonder people do not see the meaning of serving NS.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31684</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 12:36:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i have commented on NS and its meanings for me on my website. feel free to take a look.

with all honesty, i agree with Ganga on his views. 

NS is nothing but a sham for social engineering, the fulfillment of someone&#039;s dreams.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i have commented on NS and its meanings for me on my website. feel free to take a look.</p>
<p>with all honesty, i agree with Ganga on his views. </p>
<p>NS is nothing but a sham for social engineering, the fulfillment of someone&#8217;s dreams.</p>
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		<title>By: The People's</title>
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		<dc:creator>The People's</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 09:42:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear #10 Francis Chua on November 10th, 2008 10.18 am
I serve the NS not for the sake of politicians. But instead for the sake of friends and loved ones who stay on this land which I need to protect against aggression. In actual fact, I have never considered toiling in the NS is for the sake of the ruling coalition. And if during cases when we have to take up arms to invade another country as an aggressor, I will rather AWOL than to commit atrocities on others. A good leader will never bring his people to war for selfish gains. NS is a very different time we spend to grow up. We get to know people from different walks of life. No doubt it takes up 2 years of your life. But make the best out of it, you have a lot to gain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear #10 Francis Chua on November 10th, 2008 10.18 am<br />
I serve the NS not for the sake of politicians. But instead for the sake of friends and loved ones who stay on this land which I need to protect against aggression. In actual fact, I have never considered toiling in the NS is for the sake of the ruling coalition. And if during cases when we have to take up arms to invade another country as an aggressor, I will rather AWOL than to commit atrocities on others. A good leader will never bring his people to war for selfish gains. NS is a very different time we spend to grow up. We get to know people from different walks of life. No doubt it takes up 2 years of your life. But make the best out of it, you have a lot to gain.</p>
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		<title>By: Rachel Chung</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rachel Chung</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 05:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article about NS and segregation.

I enjoyed reading this piece. It is simple yet conveyed much emotion, while remaining coherent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article about NS and segregation.</p>
<p>I enjoyed reading this piece. It is simple yet conveyed much emotion, while remaining coherent.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucky Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lucky Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 02:15:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alison, 

Thanks for sharing your story. I was in an average, some say below average, some called it &quot;gangster&quot; secondary school. I made it to a good JC, got into NUS and went to do my masters degree in a &quot;better&quot; university. 

I kept in close contacts with some of my friend in secondary school. A number of my peers appeared in the news papers - some for the right reasons others for the wrong reasons. When I was in secondary school I was somehow elected to be chairman of a society that did charity. There were students who can&#039;t pay their school fees or for school books so it was the job of my society to go round the school every quarter to collect for these students. Many were not only poor, they were did not do well at school, got into trouble often. If you get to know their them better their story was something like &quot;father drink, mother gamble&quot;. &quot;father unemployed, everyday parents quarrel over money&quot;..and so on. They were trapped in a vicious cycle. 

I believe this vicious cycle has become more vicious in recent years during which the poor got poorer. Our society became more fractured as the distance between groups grew when the income gap worsened. There is little the govt can do if its sole interest is to keep GDP growing and its businesses highly profitable....and indeed little has been done. If our govt can break out of its ideological shackles and do the right thing...perhaps there is a little more hope for these people and your friend.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alison, </p>
<p>Thanks for sharing your story. I was in an average, some say below average, some called it &#8220;gangster&#8221; secondary school. I made it to a good JC, got into NUS and went to do my masters degree in a &#8220;better&#8221; university. </p>
<p>I kept in close contacts with some of my friend in secondary school. A number of my peers appeared in the news papers &#8211; some for the right reasons others for the wrong reasons. When I was in secondary school I was somehow elected to be chairman of a society that did charity. There were students who can&#8217;t pay their school fees or for school books so it was the job of my society to go round the school every quarter to collect for these students. Many were not only poor, they were did not do well at school, got into trouble often. If you get to know their them better their story was something like &#8220;father drink, mother gamble&#8221;. &#8220;father unemployed, everyday parents quarrel over money&#8221;..and so on. They were trapped in a vicious cycle. </p>
<p>I believe this vicious cycle has become more vicious in recent years during which the poor got poorer. Our society became more fractured as the distance between groups grew when the income gap worsened. There is little the govt can do if its sole interest is to keep GDP growing and its businesses highly profitable&#8230;.and indeed little has been done. If our govt can break out of its ideological shackles and do the right thing&#8230;perhaps there is a little more hope for these people and your friend.</p>
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		<title>By: Tang Li</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31474</link>
		<dc:creator>Tang Li</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 19:03:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps my comments about JC and Poly students being uncaring is an over generalisation and for that I appologise to the JC and Poly students who are actually nice people. But like allot of generalisations, I believe the one I made has a grain of truth to it and for that I believe that there is a fault line in our culture and education system. Somehow our education system produces people who are so obsessed with their brains they forget the importance of their hearts. 

I also believe that I&#039;m not wrong in pointing out another fault line in our education system that is obvious in NSF times - namely, everyone who has been through OCS or SISPEC is told that they should try and lead a group of A-level and Poly Students because they are &quot;Easier to Control.&quot; The &quot;educated people&quot; as graduates of OCS and SISPEC are often told - &quot;Understand&quot; the value of NS and the fact that everyone has a role to play. The &quot;Ah Bengs&quot; by contrast, actually expect their leaders to &quot;take care of them&quot; and their needs and don&#039;t understand the concept of NS. 

The logic seems reasonable in the Singapore context. But then, when I went overseas and shared NS experiences with guys from countries with National Service, they told me that in their countries, it was the &#039;uneducated&#039; who were easier to control - &quot;Educated&quot; people ask more questions. 

So, it makes you wonder? Why do we educated our population? Is it to stop them from asking questions and challenging the status quo? Well, it seems so, if the educated are easier to control. And one has to ask, is this good for society if educated people are only there to enforce the status quo? A friend of mine said that every Minister of Education we&#039;ve had needs to be shot - why? In our recent good years, our economy has created lots of jobs - but the government claims all these jobs need to go to foreigners because...Singaporeans are not qualified to do them and what do all these Singaporeans have in common .... the education system. 

During my NSF time I had the unfortunate experience of having to attend the funeral of two friends who were killed in a live firing exercise. I am no fan of doing NSF or NS. But having gone through the experience, I&#039;m greatful for it for showing me a side of Singapore that&#039;s not what our guidebooks talk about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps my comments about JC and Poly students being uncaring is an over generalisation and for that I appologise to the JC and Poly students who are actually nice people. But like allot of generalisations, I believe the one I made has a grain of truth to it and for that I believe that there is a fault line in our culture and education system. Somehow our education system produces people who are so obsessed with their brains they forget the importance of their hearts. </p>
<p>I also believe that I&#8217;m not wrong in pointing out another fault line in our education system that is obvious in NSF times &#8211; namely, everyone who has been through OCS or SISPEC is told that they should try and lead a group of A-level and Poly Students because they are &#8220;Easier to Control.&#8221; The &#8220;educated people&#8221; as graduates of OCS and SISPEC are often told &#8211; &#8220;Understand&#8221; the value of NS and the fact that everyone has a role to play. The &#8220;Ah Bengs&#8221; by contrast, actually expect their leaders to &#8220;take care of them&#8221; and their needs and don&#8217;t understand the concept of NS. </p>
<p>The logic seems reasonable in the Singapore context. But then, when I went overseas and shared NS experiences with guys from countries with National Service, they told me that in their countries, it was the &#8216;uneducated&#8217; who were easier to control &#8211; &#8220;Educated&#8221; people ask more questions. </p>
<p>So, it makes you wonder? Why do we educated our population? Is it to stop them from asking questions and challenging the status quo? Well, it seems so, if the educated are easier to control. And one has to ask, is this good for society if educated people are only there to enforce the status quo? A friend of mine said that every Minister of Education we&#8217;ve had needs to be shot &#8211; why? In our recent good years, our economy has created lots of jobs &#8211; but the government claims all these jobs need to go to foreigners because&#8230;Singaporeans are not qualified to do them and what do all these Singaporeans have in common &#8230;. the education system. </p>
<p>During my NSF time I had the unfortunate experience of having to attend the funeral of two friends who were killed in a live firing exercise. I am no fan of doing NSF or NS. But having gone through the experience, I&#8217;m greatful for it for showing me a side of Singapore that&#8217;s not what our guidebooks talk about.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31322</link>
		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:40:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Also while the ‘awe’ of the experience may diminish over time, it is likely something unforgettable. There is a difference between intellectually knowing something and having experienced it. And once you have experienced it, it is usually quite unforgettable.&lt;/i&gt; - lobo76 (#16)

It is probably the last line of defense against elitism that is somewhat encouraged by the extensive streaming in our education system. It is also the reason why I am appalled by the practise that ITE, Poly and JC students are also streamed into BMT. 

The ideal way to build to build bridges across the 3 academic classes in Singapore&#039;s pre-university society is to put them together through a common experience together. This has to be achieved at the level of company and platoon during BMT, and then subsequently reinforced through experience by actually working with NSF from different walks of life in the subsequent posting.

While there is increasing income gap between the rich and poor, we should not let this develop into a widening social gap too. Only through empathy can one see through the fallacy of one&#039;s prejudice. What Singapore needs is not only economic progress but also social progress. A caring society for Singaporeans by Singaporeans is my vision for our shared future.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Also while the ‘awe’ of the experience may diminish over time, it is likely something unforgettable. There is a difference between intellectually knowing something and having experienced it. And once you have experienced it, it is usually quite unforgettable.</i> &#8211; lobo76 (#16)</p>
<p>It is probably the last line of defense against elitism that is somewhat encouraged by the extensive streaming in our education system. It is also the reason why I am appalled by the practise that ITE, Poly and JC students are also streamed into BMT. </p>
<p>The ideal way to build to build bridges across the 3 academic classes in Singapore&#8217;s pre-university society is to put them together through a common experience together. This has to be achieved at the level of company and platoon during BMT, and then subsequently reinforced through experience by actually working with NSF from different walks of life in the subsequent posting.</p>
<p>While there is increasing income gap between the rich and poor, we should not let this develop into a widening social gap too. Only through empathy can one see through the fallacy of one&#8217;s prejudice. What Singapore needs is not only economic progress but also social progress. A caring society for Singaporeans by Singaporeans is my vision for our shared future.</p>
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		<title>By: lobo76</title>
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		<dc:creator>lobo76</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 06:06:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ganga,

I myself watch a lot of TV8 dramas (nowadays ZERO) before entering NS. While I understand intellectually that &#039;these people&#039; exist, they are still regarded as people from another &#039;world&#039;. Hence your analogy of a 2 year stint in a third world country isn&#039;t far off the mark of how someone would actually feel. Coz I felt exactly the same when I came into &#039;contact&#039; with them. 

Also while the &#039;awe&#039; of the experience may diminish over time, it is likely something unforgettable. There is a difference between intellectually knowing something and having experienced it. And once you have experienced it, it is usually quite unforgettable. 

Frankly I don&#039;t really care if the author &#039;remembers&#039; it or not, what I wish is that our future leaders will also have this experience. And as mentioned by the author, currently, our &#039;leaders&#039; are being segrageted and will never come into contact with them. They will always only know that these &#039;people&#039; exist on an intellectual level, nothing more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ganga,</p>
<p>I myself watch a lot of TV8 dramas (nowadays ZERO) before entering NS. While I understand intellectually that &#8216;these people&#8217; exist, they are still regarded as people from another &#8216;world&#8217;. Hence your analogy of a 2 year stint in a third world country isn&#8217;t far off the mark of how someone would actually feel. Coz I felt exactly the same when I came into &#8216;contact&#8217; with them. </p>
<p>Also while the &#8216;awe&#8217; of the experience may diminish over time, it is likely something unforgettable. There is a difference between intellectually knowing something and having experienced it. And once you have experienced it, it is usually quite unforgettable. </p>
<p>Frankly I don&#8217;t really care if the author &#8216;remembers&#8217; it or not, what I wish is that our future leaders will also have this experience. And as mentioned by the author, currently, our &#8216;leaders&#8217; are being segrageted and will never come into contact with them. They will always only know that these &#8216;people&#8217; exist on an intellectual level, nothing more.</p>
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		<title>By: rebel peasant</title>
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		<dc:creator>rebel peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 05:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that if the government is good to the people,when war arises,these people will fight for Singapore. Some might not and choose to hide,but I think that the majority will fight.

Now,when I look at the government&#039;s style of governing,I know why NS is compulsory. Becos they are afraid. They fear that everyone will desert them during war. Why? Becos they are tyrants. So in my opinion,the PAP needs to change their tyrannical ways or they will regret it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that if the government is good to the people,when war arises,these people will fight for Singapore. Some might not and choose to hide,but I think that the majority will fight.</p>
<p>Now,when I look at the government&#8217;s style of governing,I know why NS is compulsory. Becos they are afraid. They fear that everyone will desert them during war. Why? Becos they are tyrants. So in my opinion,the PAP needs to change their tyrannical ways or they will regret it.</p>
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		<title>By: Kaffein</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kaffein</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nice write-up.

NS shows the true colours of people. Those who talk too much, wayang and &#039;kheng&#039; all the way are those who will usually crack under pressure. And usually many of these are the elites and scholars (mind you, I&#039;m not saying all of them).

How many of your PC or NCOs are topo-kings? You wonder how come they can lead the platoon/sections?

Overhead someone said before in reservist, &quot;The first person I&#039;ll put the bullet thru the head is my PC. Chicken hearted and blur like sotong - probably will get all of us killed in war. Better he die than me.&quot;

Yes, NS teaches us a lot. Especially how to accept people from different walks of life, regardless of background, colour or race.

ROD NCO,
Kaffein</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nice write-up.</p>
<p>NS shows the true colours of people. Those who talk too much, wayang and &#8216;kheng&#8217; all the way are those who will usually crack under pressure. And usually many of these are the elites and scholars (mind you, I&#8217;m not saying all of them).</p>
<p>How many of your PC or NCOs are topo-kings? You wonder how come they can lead the platoon/sections?</p>
<p>Overhead someone said before in reservist, &#8220;The first person I&#8217;ll put the bullet thru the head is my PC. Chicken hearted and blur like sotong &#8211; probably will get all of us killed in war. Better he die than me.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, NS teaches us a lot. Especially how to accept people from different walks of life, regardless of background, colour or race.</p>
<p>ROD NCO,<br />
Kaffein</p>
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		<title>By: back to basics</title>
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		<dc:creator>back to basics</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:33:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The purpose of national service must be national defence. That the only reason it is justified, if you think it is justified at all. 

What you are talking about is not national defence but social engineering. That is not a just cause for conscription. It is a very dangerous idea. 

When you justify conscription based on your ideas about how society should be shape into some utopia, you justify just about any kind of coercion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The purpose of national service must be national defence. That the only reason it is justified, if you think it is justified at all. </p>
<p>What you are talking about is not national defence but social engineering. That is not a just cause for conscription. It is a very dangerous idea. </p>
<p>When you justify conscription based on your ideas about how society should be shape into some utopia, you justify just about any kind of coercion.</p>
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		<title>By: Ganga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ganga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 04:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No offence, but the article comes across like a travel review. For example, if after living in Singapore all my life, I endure a 2 year stint in a third world country and return, I would also similarly feel &#039;humbled&#039;. However, whether that experience will change who I am or who I continue to be is something that would remain to be seen.

From my experience with many different types of people, the article suggests that this &#039;humbling experience&#039; is nothing more than the awe one experiences whilst watching a spectacular movie. Such awe will remain for a few hours or days after the show and, similarly, here too the writer will carry this sense of awe for a bit.

In all probability, however, it is my opinion that the writer will soon forget this experience after assimilating back to the &#039;yellow brick road&#039; to success. I hope that I am wrong though, and that the author is one of the extremely rare breed of &#039;elite&#039; who will walk away from the paved road for a monetarily-less-successful life that offers more value to society.

The fact that the writer had not on his own accord sought out this &#039;unique&#039; experience and had to wait until a host of factors converged to create it for him, says a lot about the high-handed perception of &quot;...such complicated backgrounds that I once thought only possible in the highly-exaggerated drama serials shown on Channel 8...&quot;.

In a way, I feel offended by this article as the tone refers to &#039;these people&#039; as if they were some sort of alien creature suddenly available for our anthropological study. In reality, all of us share the same McDonald&#039;s, same hawker centres, same movie theatres and a host of other facilities. They are not some hidden segment of the society which the author had to &#039;immerse himself&#039; into to &#039;discover&#039;.

I find this article insightful only for the far-removed and those disconnected. It is, at best, superficial. But I do hope the writer can prove me wrong 10 years down the road and have all &#039;these people&#039; still a part  of his life. For example, having &#039;these people&#039; invited to his wedding, or invited to his home. Perhaps, even allow his children to mix with their children freely.

These are questions that can only be answered by the author&#039;s conscience, good luck.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No offence, but the article comes across like a travel review. For example, if after living in Singapore all my life, I endure a 2 year stint in a third world country and return, I would also similarly feel &#8216;humbled&#8217;. However, whether that experience will change who I am or who I continue to be is something that would remain to be seen.</p>
<p>From my experience with many different types of people, the article suggests that this &#8216;humbling experience&#8217; is nothing more than the awe one experiences whilst watching a spectacular movie. Such awe will remain for a few hours or days after the show and, similarly, here too the writer will carry this sense of awe for a bit.</p>
<p>In all probability, however, it is my opinion that the writer will soon forget this experience after assimilating back to the &#8216;yellow brick road&#8217; to success. I hope that I am wrong though, and that the author is one of the extremely rare breed of &#8216;elite&#8217; who will walk away from the paved road for a monetarily-less-successful life that offers more value to society.</p>
<p>The fact that the writer had not on his own accord sought out this &#8216;unique&#8217; experience and had to wait until a host of factors converged to create it for him, says a lot about the high-handed perception of &#8220;&#8230;such complicated backgrounds that I once thought only possible in the highly-exaggerated drama serials shown on Channel 8&#8230;&#8221;.</p>
<p>In a way, I feel offended by this article as the tone refers to &#8216;these people&#8217; as if they were some sort of alien creature suddenly available for our anthropological study. In reality, all of us share the same McDonald&#8217;s, same hawker centres, same movie theatres and a host of other facilities. They are not some hidden segment of the society which the author had to &#8216;immerse himself&#8217; into to &#8216;discover&#8217;.</p>
<p>I find this article insightful only for the far-removed and those disconnected. It is, at best, superficial. But I do hope the writer can prove me wrong 10 years down the road and have all &#8216;these people&#8217; still a part  of his life. For example, having &#8216;these people&#8217; invited to his wedding, or invited to his home. Perhaps, even allow his children to mix with their children freely.</p>
<p>These are questions that can only be answered by the author&#8217;s conscience, good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:32:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well written piece, I thought such experience would be extinct nowadays compared to what we went through 20 - 30 yrs ago. These are life lessons which you cannot pay for, I figured most of our so called scholars can&#039;t even comprehend life outside their own, so how can they lead n govern in future? It is good the writer took things with a postive and open mind, something very lacking in our younger people, sheltered, chaperoned by parents/maids, permanent honey coated world. Live and learn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well written piece, I thought such experience would be extinct nowadays compared to what we went through 20 &#8211; 30 yrs ago. These are life lessons which you cannot pay for, I figured most of our so called scholars can&#8217;t even comprehend life outside their own, so how can they lead n govern in future? It is good the writer took things with a postive and open mind, something very lacking in our younger people, sheltered, chaperoned by parents/maids, permanent honey coated world. Live and learn.</p>
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		<title>By: Francis Chua</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/ns-a-humbling-experience/comment-page-1/#comment-31235</link>
		<dc:creator>Francis Chua</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Nov 2008 02:18:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I declare to Singapore and the Singapore cyberspace community that I will not want to spend another day serving the free national service, the military conscription because of some of the hypocrite politicians in Singapore, some ungrateful Singaporeans, some ungrateful women, and of course, the foreign workers. Not forgeting some of the greedy elderly.
If Mindef/ Sg. Govt were to send me the call-up letter, I will tear it up and dump it in the rubbish bin. I am a free man. So are Singaporean boys and men. There is no such thing as forcing a free man or free men to do military conscription. The secular compulsory NS law is unjust and unfair. I shall not follow an unjust and unfair law. In fact, I must not follow an unjust and unfair law. Thank you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I declare to Singapore and the Singapore cyberspace community that I will not want to spend another day serving the free national service, the military conscription because of some of the hypocrite politicians in Singapore, some ungrateful Singaporeans, some ungrateful women, and of course, the foreign workers. Not forgeting some of the greedy elderly.<br />
If Mindef/ Sg. Govt were to send me the call-up letter, I will tear it up and dump it in the rubbish bin. I am a free man. So are Singaporean boys and men. There is no such thing as forcing a free man or free men to do military conscription. The secular compulsory NS law is unjust and unfair. I shall not follow an unjust and unfair law. In fact, I must not follow an unjust and unfair law. Thank you.</p>
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		<title>By: Donaldson Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Donaldson Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 23:25:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I do understand your article with much emotions as well. Personally I was from a top JC last time and when I entered NS in 2005, my camp mates in Tekong were mostly of lower educational background, some even not completed primary school education at all. Despite many differences in terms of communications, we managed to become good friends even after POP.&lt;/i&gt; - Jackson (#7)

Yeah. I appreciated the community spirit and the sense of togetherness when I was in NS. The NSF from my squadron was a good mix of JC, polytechnic and ITE graduates and it was sense of togetherness that helped us overcome the challenge and stress that arise from our unique function. We call this togetherness our brotherhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I do understand your article with much emotions as well. Personally I was from a top JC last time and when I entered NS in 2005, my camp mates in Tekong were mostly of lower educational background, some even not completed primary school education at all. Despite many differences in terms of communications, we managed to become good friends even after POP.</i> &#8211; Jackson (#7)</p>
<p>Yeah. I appreciated the community spirit and the sense of togetherness when I was in NS. The NSF from my squadron was a good mix of JC, polytechnic and ITE graduates and it was sense of togetherness that helped us overcome the challenge and stress that arise from our unique function. We call this togetherness our brotherhood.</p>
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		<title>By: alphaville</title>
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		<dc:creator>alphaville</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 19:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you got something out of your period of NS. 

But is there any doubt that NS is nothing but slavery when the state exercise its absolute authority over your life with no recourse requiring compulsory servitude?

What we need is an all volunteer force, not slavery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you got something out of your period of NS. </p>
<p>But is there any doubt that NS is nothing but slavery when the state exercise its absolute authority over your life with no recourse requiring compulsory servitude?</p>
<p>What we need is an all volunteer force, not slavery.</p>
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		<title>By: Jackson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jackson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2008 18:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alison, I do understand your article with much emotions as well. Personally I was from a top JC last time and when I entered NS in 2005, my camp mates in Tekong were mostly of lower educational background, some even not completed primary school education at all. Despite many differences in terms of communications, we managed to become good friends even after POP. 

When I was on course once, I came across an incident whereby one of the coursemate had already married. He was 19 and his wife was 17 or 18 I think.

Even though I had ORDed more than a year ago, I still miss the times I had in NS, particularly in my former unit where I went thru thick and thin with my company people.

Do cherish your remaining NS times before you ORD. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alison, I do understand your article with much emotions as well. Personally I was from a top JC last time and when I entered NS in 2005, my camp mates in Tekong were mostly of lower educational background, some even not completed primary school education at all. Despite many differences in terms of communications, we managed to become good friends even after POP. </p>
<p>When I was on course once, I came across an incident whereby one of the coursemate had already married. He was 19 and his wife was 17 or 18 I think.</p>
<p>Even though I had ORDed more than a year ago, I still miss the times I had in NS, particularly in my former unit where I went thru thick and thin with my company people.</p>
<p>Do cherish your remaining NS times before you ORD. ;)</p>
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