Saturday, November 29, 2008 9:54

Singaporean killed in mumbai

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News report from xin.sg:

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Blur
Nov 29, 2008 10:38

The death of Ms Lo was probably caused by the tough stand of the Government against terrorism. Singaporeans are probably being targetted just like Americans and Israelis.

C J
Nov 29, 2008 10:53

I read this news with little or no surprise at all… this, has been long time coming.

If you all will recall; the government made a statement in the papers that they will not bend to terrorists’ demands should any Singaporeans be held hostage by them.

Hence, the killing of one (particularly who is acquainted with GCT) with no qualms whatsoever.

This be in a familiar term, a ‘bitter pill’ of their own making.

Fatty Chan
Nov 29, 2008 11:42

You ca’nt blame the PAP govt for her death. These terrorist kills anyone just to make their point. American and British are considered bonus. Singaporeans in Singapore are living in a wonderland, rarely have any death related to terrorism in Singapore. The biggest incident related to terrorism in Sinkapore is the MSK case. And by the way, is anyone accountable for his escape yet? All forgotten already?????

Daniel
Nov 29, 2008 13:07

“The last two gunmen in a standoff at Taj Mahal hotel in Mumbai were killed early Saturday, the city’s police chief told CNN sister station CNN-IBN, but another official said more attackers could be inside the hotel.”
from ww.ccn.com

Look like the terrorist act has begun. Is Singapore gov controlling the influx of India workers coming to Singapore now ? Any measurement taken ? Or are they going leave it to ‘market discipline or Caveat Emptor’ again ?

Darren
Nov 29, 2008 13:11

Assuming that these terrorist are Munjahideen terrorist, then perhaps part of Ms Lo’s death is due to Singapore’s association with the US and UK.

However, what should our response be? Cower in fear and allow these cowardly terrorists do as they will? I believe the only appropriate response is to do what Mr Obama is thinking of doing. Re-focus the war to Afghanistan and Pakistan (+/- Iran) which is the rook cause. Bush has lead the world in the wrong direction for too long.

And I think Singapore as a country must stand hand in hand with the West in this. Sure, we may increase the probability of being targets ourselves, but let us do the right thing and rid this problem once and for all. We just have to step up on our internal security.

C J
Nov 29, 2008 13:13

Darren,

Shall we rope in China as well to join us in bomb and bullet sharing?

Daniel
Nov 29, 2008 13:31

“Shall we rope in China as well to join us in bomb and bullet sharing?”

Terrorist may just leave us alone as Singaporean already get miniBombed and biting the bullet and eating bitter medicine. Terrorist may just take pity on us because we can’t even handle a single Mas Selamat let alone a network of ruthless and secretive violent terrorists. One Mas Selamat already keep our gov busy, no need for other terrrorists to interfere.

Blur
Nov 29, 2008 13:33

She was killed because Singapore Government condemned the terrorists openly.

Educator
Nov 29, 2008 13:37

Every civilized country should have a Guantanamo Bay Resort to incarcerate these murderers permanently.

Next to the toxic structured products, this Guantanamo Idea is the most creative thing that came out from the Americans.

ex-banker
Nov 29, 2008 13:39

Time to grow up, Blur. Pl try not to act smart. reserve some good words of condolences to her immediate families. otherwise, just continue to be Blur for life

Daniel
Nov 29, 2008 13:47

“Singapore Government condemned the terrorists openly.”

Our gov is still so ya-ya when they already allow uncountable number of India imported workers in Singapore. Maybe it’s time for our gov to keep their mouth shut now as not to agitate the potential ‘foreign terrorist’. There is no check and balance on these workers, as long can generate money, can come here.

ShittyTimes may want to put headline such as
“Singapore get minibombed and now biting the bullet ! Eating bitter medicine destroy many” so as to distract the dumb terrorist from terrorising the tiny red dot.

stephanie
Nov 29, 2008 13:54

This 2 day shootout in Mumbai is extremely tragic, yet it is even more tragic that one of our fellow singaporeans, Ms Lo, has been killed while being held hostage. I offer my sincere condolences to Ms Lo’s family and may Ms Lo rest in peace.
I hope that world leaders will soon understand that minor conflicts among countries can be put aside and they must all collaborate together to combat terrorism and prevent more innocent lives from being taken away.
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Aiyo, we cannot blame PAP la. Not that i’m pro-PAP or anything but the straits times clearly states that because the Mumbai government was not persuaded by the Singapore government to withdraw troops, she was killed. Makes me wonder why they don’t choose an ang moh to do it. Wouldn’t AMERICA have a bigger cloud over India? (if you understand the expression).
xxx

me
Nov 29, 2008 13:59

hi, the person has just passed away. let’s leave politics out of this sad episode for now as this is not an appropriate time.

laserpointer
Nov 29, 2008 14:04

great, now is the problem of those indian foreign workers and our government condemning terrorists openly.

so here’s the thing, keep our mouths shut and everything will be alright.

amen.

RIP.

Tew NS
Nov 29, 2008 14:25

When Mas selamat escaped, our PM kept mum for more than 3 weeks. But this Mumbai masscare happened, immediately our PM made statement condemning the terrorists, you see the difference, a small country talked so loud, no wonder we Singaporeans become the target like US citizens and Britons. It is an honest mistake by our world class govt.

Singaporespirit
Nov 29, 2008 14:32

Remember the passport incident at the airport. This spirit of slackness and incompetence attitude made our country very vulnerable to terrorists’ attacks.

Surely, we are living in perilous times, especially our govt desires to grow the population by importing people overseas. Like the dubious investments that wiped out the hard-earned life savings of many, I do hope they could prevent lives from being wiped-out. By then, are the citizens to be blamed for such calamity?

Tew NS
Nov 29, 2008 14:45

If our govt is so arrogant, being a small country, we won’t be surprise if one day the terrorists come attack us at Orchard Rd or any other place where you have foreign tourists.

Daniel
Nov 29, 2008 14:49

“When Mas selamat escaped, our PM kept mum for more than 3 weeks. But this Mumbai masscare happened, immediately our PM made statement condemning the terrorists,”

When it is time to act, they don’t act. When it is time to STFU, they will just rattle their mouth. Do our clowns even know that there are countless imported workers in Singapore ? They keep silence on serious issue locally but can shut their voice to other land arrogantly. Leaders of clown who have no substances now behaving as though they know best but when Shits blow up in Singapore, the clowns say they have no control and wanna move on.

Loyola
Nov 29, 2008 15:16

Sometimes you have to take a stand. We are already a target, like it or not.

I’m all for elimination of these people who kill our citizens, with extreme prejudice if necessary.

If we do not take a tough stand, those murderers and criminals will think we are soft.

simple joe
Nov 29, 2008 15:33

This terrorist war with the muslims is not our war.

It has very deep roots. I hope Obama will do something in the right direction to mitigate what the previous administrations had done.

It is never good to encourage a war. Human beings with the smarter brain should learn how to live in harmony instead.

How many of “Miss Lo”s must die to make a stand? Given the choice, would Ms Lo want to be counted in to make that stand?

I feel sorry and send my condolences for the family.

Daniel
Nov 29, 2008 15:37

“If we do not take a tough stand, those murderers and criminals will think we are soft.”

There is no problem in making a stand except that this time is for real. The clowns have to know that there is no such thing as CAVEAT EMPTOR, helplessness, inaction and moving on if these clowns want to provoke the terrorist. Our clowns lack the substance and have been giving us false sense of security, and no one is sane to have confidence of this gov which only good at bragging itself.

Of course, we are soft. The citizen can’t even do anything about loss of TC, minibomb, increasing price hike. Why can most citizen do anyway ? If citizen and gov can’t do anything and don’t even show substance, it best to not to be high profile in the world now.

If gov want to wayang and showoff also must know when to wayang and showoff, and don’t use citizen’s life as a stake.

nottrivial
Nov 29, 2008 15:49

A person’s life has been lost, lets debate about the merits and demerits at a later date….. My condolences to Ms Lo and family. Very sad tragedy

JohnnyKid
Nov 29, 2008 16:55

I agree with our government’s tough stance against terrorists. These are people who will not back down because you are kind and tolerant to them. Their ultimate goal is to convert everyone in this world to their religion. Can your kindness and tolerance win against their ultimate goal of their lives, and promises of rewards in their afterlife?

Ms Lo, our fellow Singaporean was killed not because of her nationality. I seriously doubt these terrorists know where Singapore is. Surviving witnesses say they were asking their hostages their religion and a Turkish couple who were of the same religion were spared.

Elaina Olivia Chong
Nov 29, 2008 17:31

I woke up to news of Ms Lo Hoei Yen’s death today. One of our nation’s most promising talents have perished in violence. Stunned, I pondered over the powerlessness of the majority and mainstream in the name of humanity, over terrorism, the once-supposed minority.

Despite fortified efforts by national securities around the world, terrorism has continued in relentless disregard, to organize and systemize itself in the midst of this financial tsunami; methodically meting out what seems to me to be a pre-meditated, calculated attack.

The terrorists obviously struck with military precision and alacrity; at a time when Governments worldwide are inundated with financial problems and launching unprecedented resource shifts to prevent grinding halts to their economic markets.

Necessitating a thorough review of ourselves; this horrific and tragic account has shored up the dark reality that (irrational) ideology and money (the lack of) have become natural bedfellows.

Terrorism aside, which has complexities of its own, Hoei Yen’s death throws up issues of currency and are chilling. Times like these are beginning to show cracks and opportunities for the proliferation of vice. Crime, delinquency and corruption; given imminent joblessness, unemployment, redundancies in economies all across the world – from developed to emerging – will escalate.

Parallel to the increase in street crimes will be sophisticated felonies, arising from the tearing down of moral vanguards (arising from the psychological attack of depressions and despair) of those who are educated and learned. (And remember, these erudite numbers are far more today than the numbers during the last Asian Financial Crisis.) Nothing will tell what extreme measures of the knowledgeable and intellectual will be. The power of the mind cannot be underestimated.

Unless proper ideology, with its commensurate set of values are drilled and inculcated today, there may not be a tomorrow. I dread to think. Ideology is the war we must fight now. Only ideologies for the highest good will ensure that there will be no wavering, even and especially in bad times; so that our sanities and lives may be preserved.

Let us encourage and look towards leaders of thought to guide nations into the next lap.So that, against a multi-cultural/lingual/religious scaffold, Singapore will survive these trying times whilst maintaining a safe, secured and low-crime environment for its citizens.

With this, I hope and pray, that the rest of the Singaporeans in Mumbai will return home safely.

jefj0901
Nov 29, 2008 22:21

I think some of us have gone overboard by blaming our government mutual and co-operative relationship with the west and UK for the death of Ms Lo. I know TOC have many Singaporeans who are very sore with the current state of country but we cannot be quick blame everything at our govt. These terrorist knows nothing of mercy and they could have just shot her cowardly without even asking her nationality. Their objective is simple, create chaos and death, publicize their actions on international TV, reiterate their stance and show the world that death to themselves does not dampen the belief of their warped cause..

And for once I myself will echo what the govt declared openly..
“I condem terrorism openly..” Real martyrs fight wars to defend so that the innocence will be protected. Please relook..

kelly
Nov 29, 2008 22:33

It has to do with the Extremists Muslims. They should be spotted, and locked up before investigation and before further damage is done. This could easily happen in Singapore. Let’s hope security against terrorists in Singapore gets tighter!

benard jio lim
Nov 29, 2008 22:48

Her father in law is a Grassroots leader.

inconvenient truth
Nov 29, 2008 23:27

If anything I hope this serves as a timely reminder to all, about the evil of terrorism – including TOC editorial staff, who have provided coverage for terrorist sympathisers in Singapore.
Terrorism is never justified, even if the victims are not S’poreans.

chorus
Nov 29, 2008 23:59

I cannot believe this.

Are some of you seriously saying that our government shoud not condemn terrorist acts?

What kind of message would that be sending?!

Seriously, I’m really quite disgusted that such a tragic incident like this is transformed into a PAP bashing opportunity by some of the posters here.

Jackson
Nov 30, 2008 0:29

What a tragedy. A fine, young 28-yr old woman with so many unfulfilled dreams, gone just like that.

JohnnyKid
Nov 30, 2008 0:55

I am always in disagreement with the things that our government do.

However, they have done one thing right – that is to condemn these acts of terror.

These terrorists have no place in the civilized world that we live in and which we are constantly trying to better. They claim to have been “forced” to retaliate because of mistreatment. Did Ms Lo offend them or abuse them them in any way?

Don’t think that just because you keep quiet about their terrorism, you will be left alone.

Daniel
Nov 30, 2008 3:26

“Are some of you seriously saying that our government shoud not condemn terrorist acts?”

“Don’t think that just because you keep quiet about their terrorism, you will be left alone.”

No one blame the gov for condemning terrorist but we blame the gov for showing the hypocrisy in handling such terrorist affair. In other countries, our gov blatantly condemn terrorist and show how merciless they are, but they can do so because it happen in other countries, but it happen locally in Mas Selamat’s case, what did the gov do ? downplay the issue, creating mockery of the whole incident, that selamat is limping and not limping, and talk so much rubbish, screw little people. If that is the kind of standard we have in government, why even go around telling the world blatantly we condemn terrorist and invoke retailation because of that ? Can’t they just do in low profile ? Do Singapore need to be standout in anyway leading the way ? Why government even selling arms to Junta who kill innocent chaps ?

Now this is not the time to show-off and tell the world so loudly we condemn and have the best security against terrorist because this is not a Truman Show anymore. Want to condemn, please don’t just take the lead if the gov know very well what kind of substance they have. If the gov think that it can take the lead, please go ahead, but please don’t implant the false sense of security here, and please don’t say they have no control over terrorist act here should the terrorist get tired of the nonsense of the gov here.

cm.Liew
Nov 30, 2008 7:07

After this saga. I have decided to drop Sg citizenship and become PRC Citizen.

Blur
Nov 30, 2008 12:15

Condemning terrorism from the comfort of your home will not help those being kept in hostage. In fact, it can harm them more. By all means, do something. Send troops, arms or money in or whatever. But saying that we condemn terrorism is of no use. If we are not prepared to act, then there is more reason not to say anything. Just felt sorry for the families of Ms Lo.

C J
Nov 30, 2008 13:51

Wait till an incident arises in China…wherein Chinese nationals are members as well…
Then we’ll see how ’smart’ theis Foreign Talent policy is…
Time after time, they stick their own foot in their own mouth, and yet refuse to acknowledge the lack of ability to govern with a LISTENING ear.

bismarker
Nov 30, 2008 15:09

So Daniel what do you suggest our government do in the wake of the terrorist attacks? And again, coming from you who was the one writing about controlling the influx of indian migrant workers? The last time I checked the only terrorist caught was a Pakistani.

And I like the way how crime is reduced to ideologies by some here.

Daniel
Nov 30, 2008 15:33

“So Daniel what do you suggest our government do in the wake of the terrorist attacks? And again, coming from you who was the one writing about controlling the influx of indian migrant workers? The last time I checked the only terrorist caught was a Pakistani.”

Simple. Stop boosting how good Singapore security against terrorism is. No matter good any security, it can never beat the guerilla tactic of the terrorism. The gov should been humble and strenghten the awareness of terrorist exist in Singapore rather than keep emphasing Singapore is safe and this and that. Start screening Indian FW coming to Singapore, especially condition for these FW. Recall the case of Mas Selamat ?

“The last time I checked the only terrorist caught was a Pakistani.”
So does that mean there won’t be a terrorist situated in Singapore already ?

Daniel
Nov 30, 2008 15:35

“And I like the way how crime is reduced to ideologies by some here.”

There is no ideologies. Only thing that is common sense.

me
Nov 30, 2008 16:41

i still think that we should NOT politicize this issue right now. no point pointing the fingers at anyone or the government. what has happened has already happened.

much as i dislike the current government, i am sure they didn’t want this to happen. the thing they should do right now is to extend whatever support they can muster for the victim’s family, before reviewing their own actions and current policies.

instead of cursing the terrorists or anything that doesn’t help, the world needs to look into what caused these terrorists to act the way they did. why did they turn to this?

mercy
Nov 30, 2008 17:26

im only symphatized to the death of a brilliant lawyer,its a big lost ….I offer my sincere condolences to Ms Lo’s family and may Ms Lo rest in peace.i and my family here in the philippines symphatized what happened to ms. Lo.I am praying that those tragic accidents wont happen again and stop those assasination to innocent people.hope for the world peace . to the terrorist pls.stop killings .

smallvoice585
Nov 30, 2008 17:57

This event, termed “India’s 9/11″, is just the latest of a global phenomenon wrongly called “terrorism”.

“Terrorism” is just a tactic of war, though an extreme one. The real problem is war and the reasons for it, not the method for its conduct. Why we seem to see more of it is because of its proven effectiveness both in causing fear and disorder and its capacity to grab headlines.

Unfortunately, a tendency to conflict and a readiness to make war are part of innate animal instinct in our human nature. Only by appealing to the human instinct in our human nature can we learn to be more peaceful.

Here, in Singapore, though there has not been any acts of “terrorism” yet, the seeds for it are present because the political language spoken is one of DOMINANCE – the language of the animal instinct. We need to cultivate the language of NEGOTIATION – the medium for our human instinct.

kelly
Nov 30, 2008 20:18

@smallvoice585 at #41. To me it makes no diff whether it is terrorism or not, cos this recent “event” strikes terror in most of our hearts.

“Only by appealing to the human instinct in our human nature can we learn to be more peaceful.”

While this is partially true, it is also a little like saying GIVE THE BOY HIS CANDIES SO HE’LL STOP SCREAMIN. I do not agree with this.

“Here, in Singapore, though there has not been any acts of “terrorism” yet, the seeds for it are present because the political language spoken is one of DOMINANCE – the language of the animal instinct. We need to cultivate the language of NEGOTIATION – the medium for our human instinct.”

Wait wait…before my brain goes into some kind of brain-freeze here, is anyone here trained in negotiation (in warfare)? If so, please do share how you’re gonna deal with the ‘problem’ here.

The “seeds of terrorism” are present because:
1. There are extremist Muslims with extreme views of what is right and wrong. Suddenly they find that they are GODS who have the right to exterminate your life as quickly as switching off the lights ~snap of a finger~.
2. These extremists will target ANYWHERE where security is lax and where there are many people who they deem as sinners and what-not. Especially to those they’ve viewed as a thorn in their buttocks.

Has it ever occured to you that ‘terrorists’ usually go ahead with their plans without any expectation of “negotiation”?

kelly
Nov 30, 2008 20:30

P.S. They will target anywhere with lots of people – summits, exhibitions, popular concert performances. Ms Lo (the victim) was in Mumbai for a summit.

P.P.S. Okie….I am now going to ’show off’ how sad I am over Ms Lo’s tragic death. (Man, how is it that a simple expression like “I condemn any acts of terrorism” be seen as a show-off? People, you (we) need to get yourself together. ‘Banded’ we will be stronger. Remove chunks of wood like “disharmony” and the wood will break more easily.)

jeflin
Nov 30, 2008 22:24

Feel very sad about this tragedy. This is our first casualty of a terrorist attack and being a close knit community, I am sure all of us are pained by the loss of a fellow Singaporean.

There is no point politicizing this issue. Terrorism can strike anytime, thus we should count our blessings if we return safely from overseas, while we tighten our security efforts at home. Everybody should be vigilant.

Tang Li
Dec 1, 2008 0:00

Ms Lo’s death is a tragedy – it’s really sad that a young woman is cut down in her prime.

However, I think this is a case of a young lady being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Singapore is really too insignificant for global terrorist. I mean in the war on terrorism, the international community only cares if Caucasians get killed – as is clearly visible by the difference between the way 9/11 is talked about and what goes on everyday in the Gaza strip.

Caught Mas Selamat? Humm, that is going to be very interesting

smallvoice585
Dec 1, 2008 0:46

Dear kelly #42 and #43,

The main reason why “terrorism” is still rampant today is because most people, including political leaders, do not understand it. They mistakenly feel that it is mainly the result of Islamic extremism, fundamentalism and militancy and in your own words “extreme views of right and wrong”, as if such characteristics arise spontaneously.

Everything has a reason, if only you care to think and understand about it.

Perhaps, you misunderstood my post #41. My mention of the political language of NEGOTIATION is not to recommend negotiation before, during or after a terrorist act.

What I’m alluding to is the root cause of human conflicts. In the mutual competition for scarce resources and influence, the outcome is usually decided by the stronger dominating the weaker. But the roles of ’strong’ and ‘weak’ are fluid, and force is used to gain dominance. Such mechanics constitute the politics of DOMINANCE. And terrorist tactics are acts of war when the ‘weak’ retaliates against the ’strong’.

I’m stating that the only way to curb terrorism is to minimize war, especially among parties of great disparity in strength. That way, desperate tactics of terrorism will be less often employed. But for that to happen, there need to have a paradigm shift in the mode of conflict resolution and resource competition. And that this mode is the politics of NEGOTIATION, whereby the outcome is decided by mutual respect, understanding and co-operation.

Since Man has grown used to exerting his animal instinct and ignore his human instinct, things will remain the way it is and sadly, terrorism will continue.

bismarker
Dec 1, 2008 1:23

Daniel,

I take it that you have never been taking the MRT for the past few years. If there’s no effort to increase awareness then I’m not sure what exactly do you mean by awareness. As for your claim that terrorists exist in Singapore, well then perhaps it’s time for you to show us how true is that other than using anti-government rhetoric.

And, i think you have missed my point regarding the ‘Pakistani’ terrorist. It’s reported that some of them carried maldives id, so perhaps at your suggestion we should extend screening of all FWs, since we know some Japanese have released sarim gas, and a host of other nationalities at one point of time have somehow engage in terrorists attacks. Oh yes, not forgetting Singaporeans too, perhaps routine screenings would do the job, since some of us might be undercover for terrorist units anyway.

Here you are taking the easy way out in understanding a complex situation, that if we keep our voices low, somehow they would not come to attack us, and terrorists have always have to be the them, some other we arbitrarily blame for everything. Well, do take heed that it is practiced too in India at the moment, when it has always got to be those Pakistanis.

kelly
Dec 1, 2008 16:40

smallvoice585 quoted: “The main reason why “terrorism” is still rampant today is because most people, including political leaders, do not understand it.”

Please do share what you understand about the terrorists and i will tell you later what I understand about them.

I am sure some political leaders UNDERSTAND why they react the way they react (the terrorists) but I don’t think they know for sure HOW to deal with them.

“And terrorist tactics are acts of war when the ‘weak’ retaliates against the ’strong’.”

So, are you saying Ms Lo retaliated? How did you come to that conclusion I am interested to know?

Bismarker quoted,”Here you are taking the easy way out in understanding a complex situation, that if we keep our voices low, somehow they would not come to attack us…”

I tell you Bismarker, if you know what the terrorists are up to, no matter whether we talk about it or not, if there is a chance for them to bomb EVERY nation, they would. I am not trying to scare everyone but it seems most people are still in the dark. Stay tuned…cos i will reveal later (after smallvoice585).

As for Mas Selamat, may be he was already tortured to death? Or else how did they know so-and-so lied when he said he saw Mas Selamat? And also, I CAN’T see how security could be lax. The stories don’t match. Does anyone smell a fish or is it just me being imaginary?

Daniel
Dec 1, 2008 17:28

“As for your claim that terrorists exist in Singapore, well then perhaps it’s time for you to show us how true is that other than using anti-government rhetoric.”

If I tell you terrorist exist and show you evidence of it, I might as well be label as terrorist accomplice.
You might want to visit some “terrorist”s in ISD if they allow you.

Of course, thing is not so simple, keeping silence won’t solve terrorist problem, but irritate the terrorist by keep arrogantly saying that Singapore has the best security will likely to increase the chance of been attack, don’t you think so ?

What is there to prove to you when my answer is just the same as the authority ? Did you yourself not read the newspaper that there are some possibilities of Mas Selamat lurking in Singapore ?

“I take it that you have never been taking the MRT for the past few years. If there’s no effort to increase awareness then I’m not sure what exactly do you mean by awareness.”
You means MRT security ? You must be kidding me, aren’t you ? Maybe you are the one who yet to take MRT for few years.
Have you not see AngMohs with large baggage going through without screening ? You means AngMoh cannot be terrorist ? Have you not see people who dress formally as business-man and carrying big bag just pass through without screening.

So who kidding who ?

smallvoice585
Dec 1, 2008 17:54

Dear kelly #48,

Yes, most people do not understand terrorism and all they know is to be terrified of it. Some politicians do understand the root causes of it but they either keep quiet and pretended not to understand. They have good reasons for behaving in such a manner, mostly because of their own political agenda.

The party that is ‘weak’ is the party that has to resort to desperate tactics of terrorism because they do not have the military resources to conduct conventional warfare. The terrorists are retaliating on behalf of those whom they perceived to have been persecuted.

Of course, Miss Lo was not the one retaliating, but she was at the wrong place at the wrong time and was part of the collateral damage of such warfare.

logicalman
Dec 1, 2008 18:01

Ms Lo’s passing away is a personal tragedy for a typical Singaporean family, regardless of nationality, religion, profession, political affiliation, or race. Let’s not politicize this, or use this as a springboard to justify matters of national security or defence.

For those who have expressed their condolences, let’s move on.

kelly
Dec 1, 2008 19:47

P.S. I think Daniel has a point. (You can’t tell if someone is a terrorist or not, just by their appearance.) And also on the point that arrogance can “trigger” terrorists – that’s all possible too.

I am now suddenly more wary of people carrying heavy or big luggages. But I am also aware that it doesn’t take a lot of space to create an automated bomb (wires and some chemicals extracted from….).

One thing for sure, IF the govt has any ways to fend off the attacks of terrorists, they are not going to publicize it. Should such how-to be shared/discussed online (protection against terrorists’ attacks)? What do you think?

kelly
Dec 1, 2008 19:48

Yes, LogicalMan, I have moved on (may be too quickly) because I don’t know of anything else that I can do for Ms Lo’s family. I am quite imaginary and again I am imagining her reading these threads.

She enjoys intelligent banter (I was told). So please bear with me while I share/discuss about terrorism with SmallVoice585, who I have peer respect for.

There’s another site if you wish to send your condolescence once again (I’ve sent mine in Facebook yesterday) —> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=52642605469&ref=ts

Dearest Smallvoice585, Thank you very much for replying and for the clarification. I thought you were saying Ms Lo retaliated and I thought I must have missed some news! haha

“Yes, most people do not understand terrorism and all they know is to be terrified of it. ”

Most of us also think about the question,”How can/do I protect my family? What am I to tell my children?” And actually, a handful know that their longterm goal is to take over the world, much like how Japanese wanted to conquer the world.

Wait ar, don’t laugh (ok, I know you are laughing or thinking how silly!) lol A few months ago while searching for ebooks, I came across an Arabian FORUM revealing the terrorists’ plans to do just that (it was mixed with Arabic characters and English words). But with a twist.

They want the “old rules”. Like….robbers will have their hands cut off, liars will have their tongues cut off. And if you date someone who isn’t Muslim, your father has the right to kill you in any way he wants. Blaj blah…in time to come, their longterm plan includes reigning the world with only Muslim leaders. Muslim leaders and….only Muslims.

The info came from a few people in the forum warning their peers of the terrorists’ intentions with links to videos (in Arabic, so i do not understand what’s being said.)

That is why I tell why most of us have underestimated their psychology.

However, the good news. I don’t think they will be successful if Nostradamus’ predictions are to be accurate once again. He’s predicted USA’s 911 amongst many other things (original prediction is in French poetry so as to avoid being accused of witchery or rather wizardry and heresy).

bismarker
Dec 3, 2008 2:53

@daniel

earlier, u make the point of screening indians, i believed I have pointed out to you that as now as it is claimed by India, the terrorists are militants from Pakistan, despite the very fact that these terrorist might very well be Indian Muslims who are disenchanted with their position in society. You then gave me the example of Ang mohs, to which I would agree that terrorists cannot be deduced by their appearances. What I am making against you is your apparent xenophobic stand that terrorists simply have to be ‘outsiders’, when if the logic that terrorists can be both local or foreign elements in any state or society. My question then to you is why not screen everyone, anyone who carries a bag or looks vaguely like a terrorist.

RED-man
Dec 3, 2008 10:39

Now, we all know the current world is full of terrorists and they are ever ready to make a statement anywhere, anytime if it is allowed!

Once we step out of our country, we have every possible chance of crossing into the path of one (assuming Singapore. However, after Mas Selamat incident I no longer can be sure of that answer).

Pardon me for saying this. What I don’t understand is why our national news publicized this issue as if we die a war hero? Which make me come to the conclusion that Singapore is so well brain washed that we are safe in our own haven that when such thing happened, we react what we are reacting now. Yet, when there are many fellow Singaporean who choose to jump down the building or MRT tracks to end their problem, we just read the newspaper and think nothing of it (such issue are much closer to us as average Singaporean).

What I would expect the people (Singaporean) to understand that, danger is always lurking somewhere in the corner outside this island. It is the awareness all Singaporean need to have and need to be ready when traveling outside the country. This is your only protection and don’t ever expect Singapore Government to help you on that! If they don’t help you at home, I don’t think there is much for them to do overseas.

Many post contributors here kept reminding the other local media is propaganda of the ruling party. Yet, when it happened, most people don’t even know you are already in the propaganda. George Bush political career almost gone if not for the 911 incident, sometime, the timing is so coincident that I suspect he has successfully make the whole world (noted, not USA only) believe in his propaganda! He is stupid? No, his IQ is very much above our Old man considering the fact that Bush ability to control the emotion of the world to justify his war but Harry ability only limited to Singapore.

Why? Because Singapore react the way they react when such incident happened.

RED-man
Dec 3, 2008 10:45

Quote:
(assuming Singapore is safe. However, after Mas Selamat incident I no longer can be sure of that answer).

Typo

RED-man
Dec 3, 2008 10:54

I seriously hope Singaporean one day will have the same Nationalism awareness on it’s own country politic environment so as to:

1. Get more involved

2. and start contributing

To ensure necessary changes are made to better the country we once familiar with.

kelly
Dec 3, 2008 13:20

REDMAN, I agree with your 2 suggestions of #1 getting more involved and #2 to start contributing (there are more ways than 1 to contribute).

“Once we step out of our country, we have every possible chance of crossing into the path of one (assuming Singapore. However, after Mas Selamat incident I no longer can be sure of that answer).”

Anyone who has the emotional and mental fragility of those brainwashed to join the terrorists on their missions, is capable of becoming a terrorist. “While living in safety, be aware of danger.”

Faith
Dec 3, 2008 16:43

I just wish to encourage Ms Lo family in this times of trial and sadness..
I juz get married and same age as Ms Lo..
I can mgaine how sad her hubby will be..I see her happy face, her beautiful smile in her wedding gown, her successful career as a lawyer..really feel so sad she is gone just like that..so innocent..she is definetly a loss to all of us.
May she rest in peace and look over her loved ones..
We will always be praying for u ..

Jo
Dec 4, 2008 0:14

My condolences to this brave stranger.. curse those terrorists.. Hope her love ones and family will continue to live on bravely… May her spirits rest in peace..

Life is fragile.. Treasure and cherish…

loop
Dec 4, 2008 10:24

Why you all like channel news asia? Only report this kind of news & those passengers at Changi airport back from Bangkok. Let’s focus on topics like retrenchments, town council investments, plight of minibonds & pinnacle notes holders, rising cost etc…..

RED-man
Dec 4, 2008 13:28

Suddenily, this had become a DRAMA with deceased husband appear on the national television talking grand mother story! How about making a mounument at the centre of Orchard road.

Which part of RIP, people don’t understand? Including the family of the decreased and mostly the husband. Don’t think TOC need to further promote this topic since our national media had been doing so well on this! With all due respect.

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