if he truly desire to champion the rights and interest of the people, the presidency is not for him as he will never, ever, be an effective champion.

unless he lives up to his words to fight for the people, he is better able to contribute to the bigger good of the people as a candidate for election as an MP. in this way, he can work the ground up and understand the people’s real problems and make systemic change, rather than be a host to numerous official meals for foreign dignitories, in short, a makan host in the highest order.

so, No, i do not support him as a candidate for presidency. and YES, my vote will be to him as an MP on the ground, truly for the people.

To me,  only Mr Ong Teng Cheong is the people’s president.  And he forever is.. No one can ever replace him in singaporeans’ heart.  He has done so much for his own ppl when he was an MP,  a Minsiter,  a Prime Minister and finally the President.  So we see how Mr Ong worked all the way up with great respect and honor from his own ppl.  He never slumber nor lack of vigor to help his own fellow citizens to have the best welfare.

So i do not support  TKL , becos based on his experience in PAP  for 30 years, he has not year rise up to minister level jobs, never rise up to be a deputy prime minister , so for 30 years, only the first 10 years he was active, the rest of the years he is not so active, so i do not see him fit to be in the EP position. 

This position must be given to those who has fulfilled like what Mr Ong has gone thru’ , so henceforth, i would rather see singapore to have a new govt formed , rather to have an elected president.  My honest comments.. Hope no hard feelings to TKL.

I’m one of your former NTUC INCOME staff members (1994-1996).
Reading with interest about latest developments in Singapore and
your recent activities.

Below is one of my favourite quotes:

“A truly great man is one whom
money and rank cannot corrupt,
poverty and hardship cannot shake,
and power and force cannot subjugate”
Mencius

Mencius should have added one more
line i.e. “and has genuine compassion for the downtrodden”

am I come to know this Web by reading today’s zaobao Pg12.
Am not too late to come in.

LPC
You should now help to spread this awareness of TOC to all your family members, relatives and friends. Many of them are stil unaware that the newspapers you people read are mainly propaganda and only publishing good news and articles that are building the good images of our country, and its not true at all. You should read now read whats been written down here the actual things and events that are truely happening in singapore instead.

Singaporeans need to wake up and know that more information can be found on the internet.

For example, certain ST forum letters never ever get published. These can be found in some online resources like blogs.

Some singaporeans are still very information unsavvy. SAD.

no wonder.

I would like to cheer for all the people here who dare to speak your mind louder.
I’ve signed to support TKL. I’ll see him at the speaker corner tomorrow.

cheers!

we need someone like Mr Tan Kin Lian

to make a change..

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The question is whether you would give your vote TKL. He is not here to do a song and dance for you that you might give him a performance score.

And partly, I believe he is trying to gear citizens into political awareness, slowly and patiently.

If you too, like TKL are interested in providing Singapore with more political openess, awareness, an alternative voice, you can help by getting more people to sign the petition. :)

The way I see it if TLK is going to get beyond even 1,000. He needs to get the broad band of moderates on his side. And that means, he needs the brotherhood to support him. As I highlighted so clearly in my comment post here. There are thousands of people like Miss Labrat. And sorry to say this, but most of them dont even think for themselves. They outsource it to the brotherhood to do it for them.They dont know anything honesty. And sometimes I even wonder how clever people can be so short sighted. If they see the brotherhood giving it a seal of approval, they will just go for it. If they dont see it, then they will just log off.

Besides who in his right mind is crazy enough to give TLK a blank cheque of 100,000 votes. For what? I wonder?

Last time. I checked, they called that kinda of crooked system a dictatorship. Tell me what will I get for 100,000 votes and why doesnt TLK flesh out the how’s and why’s and then ask for votes, if he did that we have a basis to sit down and talk. As it is I dont know what to say. Like I said, it will be uphill to even reach a paltry 1,000 votes without the brotherhood behind him.

As for you singaporedaddy, I did not mean to be offensive or rude. If I came across as brutish, sorry.

reg

http://tankinlian.blogspot.com/2008/11/petition-form-for-elected-presidency.html

I agree with Mr Tan’s assessment of how the PAP government has lost touch with people. The first time I had that feeling was when Mah Bow Tan had to actually take a bus ride along the northeast corridor in morning peak hour in order to be convinced there’s a problem.

Even if this achieves nothing in the end, it is my way of telling them to wake up and start governing right again (some of us probably would not agree with the “again” part). I say Mr Tan would be a fresh change in the political scene.

99,597 to go!

Fair enough. The important thing is you understand “where (I am) coming from.” And we had a discussion. That IMHO is a basis to build on. I am happy, I did not waste my time like I did with “lecturer.” That’s why I have been assigned here by the interspacing guild of the brotherhood to state our position clearly and unequivocally to represent the case of our readership constituency.

“Well, as for Mr Tan, I think interesting times call for interesting solutions, provision of alternatives does not necessary mean that citizens cannot work together for a common ground. That said, best of luck Mr Tan.”

Agreed. 100%. We are all sportsmen here; on that you can be assured; only let us be clear, WE DO NOT SUPPORT MR TAN L K. The decision is yours of course, but that’s our position and its final – as I said earlier, the “story is just too confusing to follow further. “ We want no part in it.

Nevertheless we wish him the best of luck in his endeavors.

SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)

I might not agree with what you said regarding how this one true philosophy is the fundamental behind all our growth, but well it seems more clear now where you are coming from, no judgment there.

Well, as for Mr Tan, I think interesting times call for interesting solutions, provision of alternatives does not necessary mean that citizens cannot work together for a common ground. That said, best of luck Mr Tan.

“perhaps singaporedaddy can enlighten us on what is really meant by the SCALE of the issue that we will be seeing soon.”

If you really want to get a handle on why things are going to get so rough this time; just try to imagine that you’re a 15th century seafarer and suddenly you just heard that the world is round and not flat, as you have always imagined it to be; that’s really the long and short of why this whole financial crisis will bring about transformational change, it isn’t really a crisis in the strict financial or economic sense as it remains a very thorough philosophical rubbishing of practically everything that we have predicated our social, economic, political and business focus on for the last 25 years!

The main problem seems to be the die is cast; we have put all our chips on the wrong markers; to a certain extent you could say, its not the governments fault entirely and no one could have really foreseen the wealth creation machine breaking down in the way it did, unless you happen to be a reincarnation of Nostradamus – but that doesn’t discount the fact that in the last 25 years much of what I term “departmental thinking” has been shaped by this ONE and ONLY philosophy of how to produce “good.”

As a result, we invested heavily on building up core competencies in banking and financial services; along with the whole idea of centralizing wealth in a few juggernaut oligarchies like Temasek – unlike HK and Taiwan and Korea who divested it to small holder private enterprises as the primary engine of growth, they have a plan B to see them through the lean years – we dont – and if we peel off another layer, you could even say, the whole way in which we have organized our thinking along with the whole definition and benchmarks of how we have defined success has be aligned to serve this ONE and ONLY instruction manual which came with the goody “good” producing machine – now that’s it’s kaput, it just means, its game over.

If we go deeper, then we really begin to see how overeliance on this ONE and ONLY assumption to produce “good” will really affect us. There are really too many examples to cite. For instance, even our “best” minds are streamed to be scholars instead of businessmen; the problem is scholars are the last thing we need now; they are no good; they cant get us out of this mess; but if we had invested on lets say 10 Li Ka Shin’s or 5 steve jobs and a couple of bill gates; then I say, you stand a very good chance to take that licking this crisis will dish out and even get ticking again within a few years; my main point is the cavalry is not government this time but private enterprises, all the former can really do is stimulate and massage the market; don’t be surprise if you pull on one of the levers of power and nothing even happens; the MAIN PROBLEM is if you only have a wafer thin substrate of entrepreneurs and miles of salarymen; then its no good; its like trying having a warehouse full of round pegs; in a world that only sees the wisdom of producing endless square holes – no good.

We may well be seeing the end of an era as we know it; my only wish is that I didn’t believe in what I am saying – but the facts are too compelling to deny – this has made me very hungry for some reason and I need to go down for a spot of economy beehon.

Do have a nice day

SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)

Hey man, you make it sound as if we are spectre or something; do we have equity in the international gaming confederation; Yes, but so does every gamer that plays warcraft and everquest. Do we regularly influence events and outcome in the gaming arena? last time, I checked the rules book, that’s part and parcel of how the game is played. So what’s your beef?

But just to impose a remit on your write up (if I may?) I think its important to re-state that I don’t have a mind control machine that can influence folk like labrat – the internet is a free domain and you, I or for that matter Mr Tan use basically the same platform to communicate our thoughts – so where does the issue of competitive advantage even feature?

The important thing is I have NOT breached any laws and we don’t have ANY subversive or malicious intent; if Mr Tan wants to run for public office, then I say good luck and go break a leg; but if he decides to do so in the internet; then he has to take the full sweep of the good, bad and ugly and that simply means MANY people will ask him pointed questions.

The way I see it, he can hardly put up his hand and say; it’s not fair. As we all know in Rome we are all expected to do what the Romans do; this is how politics is conducted online. If he doesn’t want that sort of fish bowl scrutiny; then exit the net and stick to the traditional platform of politicking; that should allow him to play ask-me-20-questions- that-I-have-ALL-the answers-too, but it also means he decamps from all prospects of garnering support online. To me it’s a no brainer – the blessing comes with the curse, but it makes absolutely no sense to me that politics online should be conducted like real world politics where it is highly choreographed and scripted; we already have that in the real world and we all know it’s a lousy producer of good; why do we even want to recreate real world Singapore online is really beyond we – last time, I looked out of the window, we already have that already.

Thanks

SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)

He’s always on the money. He got his eyes set on the 20%. Thats why they are so influential

Beardsley effect is certainly in play here. And this is where i believe the role of the liaison officer is key. From what I have been able to make out, he is like some sort of traffic warden, only he directs thoughts instead of cars, that is how I see him.

Otherwise how can you possibly explain that the brotherhood only makes up 0.005% of the serious RPG gaming clique worldwide, but they have still managed to monopolize a disproportionate level of influence in the gaming world. And this is how it works, if lets say one gaming community lets say in California, discovers a way to fold space and try to sell this machine to other gamers. The brotherhood will send these glib tongue liaison officers to scuttle the whole deal. They will claim this new machine will upset the balance of power or it will mean rewriting the rules or something to that effect. And since they have a right of veto, if all fails they can even nail it to the door post. So either you deal with them or you dont get to even market your product. The perfect scam. So these people are like the jewish lobby in capitol hill and the means by which they influence events is through characters like singaporedad.

Unfortunately, this also means TKL will be going nowhere now. I will be very surprise after this, if he can even garner 1,000 votes.

You see there are just too many people like miss labrat around. And that liaison officer knows it only too well.

Great site!