As long as the person is earning a high income it is enough proof that he/she can support a family whether or not they are marrying a foreigner. If the authorities has to be so strict, then when 2 Singaporeans decide to get married, they should check how much they are they earning too. If one or combined salary does not reach at least SGD4000, then these 2 Singaporeans should not get married either.

Even our rights to marry have to be dictated by the state.
What a joke! This is not gay marriage!
Hope to say bye bye.

Eat until so big still need permission to marry? lol.

The title is misleading. There’s no barrier to marriage. There is however a barrier to importing spouses into Singapore (a policy which I disagree with even though I’m already married).

If one wants to marry a foreign bride, be prepared to live and work in another country. Some people see it as bad, others see it as an opportunity. When enough people leave, you can be sure the policy will change again.

1) loop

Now. now, hush a little …. don’t go putting this kind of thoughts into this govt’s head. It might just well take up your idea.

We have to really come to terms with one thing about this govt. This article proves beyong a reasonable doubt that this govt does not possess the heart (literally) to govern. Probably the lightning bolt has taken the life out of it, I don’t know.

Everything is about money. This is how evil penetrates until they don’t even realise it. PAP has become Evil with a capital E.

Unfortunately, rules here are cast in stone – for the good of the nation and the people.

… unless, of course, you are high enough up the food chain to get around it – which will then be for the good of the nation and the people.

The poor guy (in the example) is probably stuck here because of family ties, otherwise, he’d have just gone to the Philippines to marry and settle down.

A prisoner of (social and economic) design – the story of most Singaporeans…

It is a clear that our gahmen is out of touch and out of place from the ground.

Policies that they throw out are what they think are good based on their agenda but do not accurately represent the needs of building our nation.

And if investing in a mini-bond is our personal decision, how come marrying isn’t? Still need permission? KNS

Well, not too sure if this makes any sense or not..
How about they solemnize their marriage somewhere other than in Singapore, like in the girl’s home country..

Welcome to Singapore. It is jammed UNIQUE!

Our system is punitive. If they solemnise anywhere else, the girl can NEVER get any sort of approval to be in Singapore permanently (or even for extended periods for that matter). At present they are hanging on to the HOPE that they will get lucky and it will be approved somehow.

My guess is that the girl may not be highly educated either so no benefit to Singapore (read: government) as the guy has no education and no money (PSLE and $2,500pm don’t count), and the girl has nothing to offer.

In contrast, if he wants to marry a foreigner who has ever been to Singapore on a work permit or S-employment pass, he has to apply for permission.

The key factor here is that the foreign bride is a work permit or S-employment pass holder. This is where MOM permission comes in. It seems the gov wants their labour but don’t want them to stay and become citizens via marrying Singaporeans. But you can’t prevent romance within work place between the foreign workers and locals, so MOM permission is required for marrying foreign workers.

Yes, they can get marry elsewhere but the bride will not be getting Singapore citizenship. I am not sure if she will be able to get long term social visit pass to stay in Singapore as well.

In a free trade economy we can prostitute ourselves to the whole wide world and the whole wide world can prostitute themselves to us.

In the solemn sanctity of marriage, we cannot even decide on the person we can marry especially when the partner falls outside the imposed parameters.

Seems like freedom of choice is falling into the same category as freedom of speech.

Income should not be the only criteria in deciding whether a Singaporean should marry a foreign bride.

The MOM should work on a case-by-case basis to assess the viability of the marriage by gauging the strength of the relationship, perhaps even speaking to several ‘witnesses’ as a form of verification.

Furthermore, I think that whatever the required salary is for such marriages to be approved, the requirement should be lowered. While the man earns $2,500 a month, his wife would be able to work as well to supplement that income. This would probably bring total income to over $3k.

I personally know of families who are surviving on less than that amount, but just that their children will have to rely on bursaries and grants.

I must admit the MOM is in a bind here — too much of low income families would mean a heavier burden on the government. To allow once such case to pass might mean that more would apply to do the same as well. With such limited land to supported a limited population, can the government really afford this?

In such a unique situation such as Singapore’s, a balance must be struck between allowing genuine cases to pass through versus limiting the inflow of foreign brides. The problem is: how much of such ‘genuine cases’ does it receive every month?

Love is unpredictable. While the government may try to discourage foreign workers from sinking roots here, it is inevitable that some will still fall through the cracks. While I don’t think all Singaporean men – foreign maid relationship should be approved, I feel that more consideration should be placed on the fact that the Singaporean man is already 44. With him having little hope of marrying a local girl, why stop him from marrying a foreign one?

It’s the only shot he might have left.

Perhaps regulations should be adjusted to take into account men like these.

“In such a unique situation such as Singapore’s, a balance must be struck between allowing genuine cases to pass through versus limiting the inflow of foreign brides. The problem is: how much of such ‘genuine cases’ does it receive every month?”

“Love is unpredictable. While the government may try to discourage foreign workers from sinking roots here, it is inevitable that some will still fall through the cracks. ”

I like the way you make your insinuation. So it is not so hopeless after all.

Ask someone who has done it before lah and be very patient lah. Once the gate is there, you need the key to open it. Law of unintended consequences ?

this govt policy is in a way telling the bloke to pick a singaporean wife lah !
remember oldfart mentioned about too many educated spinsters ?
too many of them are playing hard to get. lol
oldfart should retire and play matchmaker or advisor to some of the dating agencies that have many members who are uni graduates.

Sitting next to me is a foreigner working here in Singapore. He is married to a senior nurse from his own country. The wife was granted PR in super quick time because she is a senior nurse and the nursing profession is in high demand.

I asked my colleague how he got his PR and he said it was during the time when there was a worldwide demand for nurses. The wife used this as a bargaining chip to get PR status for her entire family.

He is currently 8 years into an administrative job that can be filled by a Singaporean anytime. His children have been competing for places in primary and secondary schools which otherwise would have gone to Singaporeans.
He is contributing to the traffic congestion everyday because their combined pay packages allow them to drive.
He dwells a flat that otherwise would have gone to a Singaporean.

Most importantly, he has a retirement plan which he is not afraid to share much to the envy of the Singaporeans working alongside him. He WILL return to this 3rd world country home in a few years time and he will enjoy his retirement by the seaside with the money from the sale of his flat, CPF contributions and savings.

I am relating this story partly because I want to ask if there is a difference in the approval process when couples fall into certain categories, see below. If foreigners can get PR so easily, why then is it so difficult to grant citizenship to spouses of Singaporeans – no matter whether they fall into the imposed parameters set out by the govt.

1. SG female professional + Ordinary foreign man
2. SG male professional + Ordinary foreign girl
3. SG ordinary man + Professional foreign girl
4. SG ordinary female + Professional foreign man
5. SG professional + Professional foreigner
6. SG ordinary + Ordinary foreigner

If there is a different answer to any of these, then our policy is totally wrong.

The MOM should work on a case-by-case basis to assess the viability of the …

If you ask MOM to do case-by-case assessment, they will tell you that they do. You can bet every government agency like HDB will show you that they are kind, considerate, and flexible enough to do case-by-case assessment. The question is how often the outcome will be different and any reasonable explanation of the decision will be given.

what makes MOM think that an income of $1,700 or $2,500 was deemed too low to support a family??? what kind of lifestyle are they expecting pple to live, super extravagant……

i’m sorry but singapore is a signatory to the Human Rights Charter. I think i have no need to mention just how much clauses they have breached in there.

Marriage? Are you out of your mind? We’re only worrying about the next meal. Who has time to think about marriage when some of us don’t even have a job? Who has time to think about marriage when communal forces disrupt our careers and our lives? Who has time to think about marriage when our families are being threatened by the community?

That is shocking. I had no idea things were like that.

I thought you find someone and get married. period.

It’s just crazy to think that someone needs permission ( minus the spouse’s parents) to get married.

we are just digit…. u want to married? ….. ask the authority first….. money enough anot first….. u chose these leader who come out with such ruling & to make matter worst , we pay millions for such monkeys.

Thanks for the article. It is an eye-opener. I had no clue MOM actually restricts (or has the right to restrict) marriage in this manner.

Does anyone have the official explanation and justification of the “Marriage Restriction Policy” governing this case?

That’s PAP for you.

Well…the govt merely wants to create a buffer where it would ease them to “dispose” of the services of the guest workers (as termed by them). Imagine the complications that it would create if they were to allow such marriages so easily? Perhaps the latent function that can be seen here is that they want singaporeans to marry singaporeans. Why? well, simply because we seem to have better genes then those coming from third world countries. They do not contribute much to the country’s economy so what are the chances of their offsprings doing the same?

However functional it may seem, the conflicting theory to this is that the government has no use of assimilating more proletariat into its ranks. Sure…foreigners who have the means to contribute to the growth and development of this country would be readily accepted with big wide open arms(remember the 1960’s-1980’s where MNCs were invited?).

Something to think about there…

I remember I have to appeal through my MP twice to married my wife 25 year ago because she was a work permit holder with a partial A level certificate from Malaysia [fail malay.] Permission was granted after I submitted my request accompanied by a application to emigrate if permission is not granted.

I am surprise that this rule still exist today after quarter of a century. On the other hand, I should not be surprise since all of our leaders justified a rule or law with proclaimation of “If it is not broken, why fixed it?”

Our ministers are not leaders but dumb followers of an old and outdated Emperor and his prince.

To my best understanding, only work permit holder need to seek Ministry of Manpower (MOM) permission to engage in a marriage with the local. However, there seem to be a shift in this policy when more and more engineering and managerial level man choose to marry PRC girl working in the factory.

Suddenily, you call the MOM and they actually tell you that you don’t have to seek their permission anymore. However, to play safe, many of these engineers and managers know better and still continue to ask the department for paperwork to avoid future complication.

I think why this sudden change is because:

1. They are engineers and managers and should be able to afford a foreign wife and thus not becoming a liability to the Government.

2. They do not want the current Singapore Chinese population to become the minority because the young generation simply do not want to commit with children in early part of their marriage (open national secret I suppose) .

Often when you go to the ICA to apply PR for the foreign bride, you will find that these officers like to pull MOM into the picture if your bride happened to hold a work permit in their computer record. Even when MOM tell you over the phone, you don’t have to involve them. That makes me conclude that all Ministries actually run on it own and when policy changed, they will not inform one another which explain the poor efficiency.

As matter of fact if you look at the work permit, there is a mention that Permit holder are not allow to get married in Singapore. On the other hand, you don’t see that in a Employment Pass. So, I believe the message is very clear. If you want to marry a foreigner. Either you can prove with your income you can support him/her. If not she have to prove that she has a qualification to find a descent (wash plates, clean toilet is not a descent job, preferably executive level) job here in case you left her for the marriage.

#16) squidsquid
“what makes MOM think that an income of $1,700 or $2,500 was deemed too low to support a family??? what kind of lifestyle are they expecting pple to live, super extravagant……”

We all know how much they think a peanut cost… How to have 3 meals a day when 1 peanut is already so expensive?

First they bring in all the foreigners to keep our salary low, and now they tell us we can’t marry who we want just because our salary is too low? Salary is one thing, but love and marriage is in another category entirely. I’m surprised that there aren’t more outraged people. I know I was when I first read the article in the news, and still am.

Maybe it would be best if the govt disallowed marriages between a grad and nongrad. Grads can only marry grads, and non grads can only marry non grads.
And non grads are not allowed to have children. That would clear up most of the riff raff on the streets. I’m sure LKY would be happy to implement this.

In the first place, LKY already admitted his mistake explaining that the reason for Singapore man not able to find a Singapore wife is because he allows too much education for the Singapore woman.

This comment actually raised a lot of eye brown and he actually got shot in the forum by the general public especially the woman. This is mentioned not because I agree with him but to show a bigger picture that this is due to his PAP administration failure of “GOOD” government. They had effectively created more and more social problem.

Personally, I felt that he had seen the picture wrong way. Problem is not the education but lie on the fact that Singaporean man has to go National Service and not woman. It is this part of the life that totally changed the prospective of life between the man and woman of Singapore. While army teaches the men discipline, team work, the real world actually exposed the woman earlier to material needs and reality of the society. This creates big gaps in the advancement of Singapore man and woman thinking.

In the past, majority of the Singapore woman do not have the opportunity of education had somehow slow down this gap and moreover Singapore at that time is very much poorer (everyone is thinking of how to make ends meet).

For this I concluded that PAP in the past until now did not think “10 years down the road” even till now. If they did have the sage vision of where Singapore is going “Two is enough Policy” will not even exist which linked to so many social and administrative problem now? Just think about the current introduction of more foreigners into our country to fill up the gap. Isn’t that start from “Two is enough”? Yes, enough indeed. Enough problem for the nation.

BTW. Singaporean have no right to decide on “right to love, marry and procreate” if you introduced a poor woman or man into the country. This is because, they eventually become a liability to the country thus the Ministers has to cut their pay to support them.

Simple as that. Wait! I thought with all those taxes and revenues that the PAP had collected from us, we should be rich enough to support our country man? Oh, I forgot. It has all went into the construction of “5 Stars” police station, court house, government building etc and most importantly failed investment overseas.

The gorverment has a unwritten policy of selectively discriminating who can marry a Sinagporean men. Not long ago it quietly allowed Chinese factory girls to marry Singaporeans while holding a Work Permit without having to aplly to MOM or the ICA. I came to know about this when I went to collect the Work permit of a China girl. It came in the form of a letter stating clearly that the Work Permit holder is allowed to marry any Singaporean without any restriction.

In contrast, Malaysians who are on Work Permit and housemaids in general are not allowed to marry Singaporeans without MOM clearance. MOM, to my knowledge have not approved any such applications. What is the reason for this double standard, nobody really knows.

Wow. You mean there’s such a ruling here? We are first world country right?

30) roland Soh on November 14th, 2008 10.27 am
What is the reason for this double standard, nobody really knows.

Reason is simple, creating more citizens to vote for these MIW. Since you people are being kept from the truth behind, can there be a attached creteria that voting for the MIW is compulsory before they are allow to marry each other? who will know?

I too find this policy not letting those work permits holders married Singaporean are really violated Human Rights. These work permit holders have integrated into our society and must have like our country to work here for many years, they are more adaptable than those brides who cannot may not able to speak our language.

If our ministers consider a singapore male earning $1500 and a work permit woman earning $1200 (total family income $2700) cannot afford a family, what about 2 singaporean earning $2700 can afford a family!

Our MIWs are not keeping in touch with our society, they are living in ivory towers.

ive been with my fiancee for 3 years now and we still thinking and stressing out this matter…im a local woman earning 1400k a month and he is a foreigner which earn less in his state which is nepal..but we still work hard to be together here in singapore…i want to make things very clear here…why is it so difficult for a social visit pass to get marry to singaporean woman and get a SPR??my husband to be is well educated,bachelor degree.He told me he dare not work in singapore because the government here is so strict.Sometimes i wish i was not born in singapore.Almost all my freedom was taken away by the law.Why can’t we just get married and earn a living in spore in just 1 peace.All im asking for now is to let us be together.How do you feel if your in my shoe?

Hi dilemmaz

Have you applied for permission to marry your fiancee? Appealed to your MP?

Cheers

Leong Sze Hian

Why should we even have to appeal to our MPs, and over marriage of all things? It’s totally absurd that the government’s permission is needed to marry.

34) dilemmaz

Hi,

The equation is very simple. You said your partner is a degree holder but you did not mention the degree was obtained from where. Was it in Nepal? Don’t get me wrong, I am not trying to be funny or anything.

You see, I have working alongside me, degree holders who are working as clerks in the department. I have doctors working as clinical coders who performs the sort of clinical administrative jobs. You know why? Because their degrees are not recognised in Singapore. Their PHDs are not recognised even though they are full fledge doctors in their own countries.

You are not alone.

Now, I read that you are earning $1400 a month which means also that you are probably in the non-executive group which also means you probably have as high a qualification of at most a diploma. No, you do not have to answer me if this is right or wrong. It’s ok, you need not tell nor do you have to comfirm this.

Based on what I have surmised above, I can see clearly why your partner will have problem getting PR in Singapore. The Singapore government very hardly takes into consideration when granting PR to foriegners, the qualifications of Singaporeans. They would more often look at the foreigner and see if his field of expertise, his profession, is sought after in Singapore.

On the other hand, this is where the biaisness of Singapore policies come into play, and I will only quote one example, I have a foreign PR, who was granted PR because his wife is a senior nurse, a profession very much in demand.

I had casually asked my colleague how he was granted his PR when others were finding it so difficult to get theirs. His reply was, they (his wife & him) ‘bargained’ with the authorities that his family be granted PR if not they would pack up and leave Singapore for UK, which had at that time been scouting for nurses in Singapore.

He is now working as and administrative assistant in my department even though he has a degree that is not recognised by Singapore.

These are the sort of nonsense that pisses me off.

Hi,

I actually don’t know where is the justification! I am holding a managerial post with $6000 monthly income and a master degree. The MOM rejected my application via MP twice to marry an ex-work permit holder. My wife is now suffered from stroke due to depression and stress leaving her right arm loses feeling. Can you see what this outdated Marriage Restriction Policy has caused to the normal citizen like us!!

Hi Desperado,

My heart goes out to you and this is as much as I can offer you.

It really makes no sense does it.? We welcome foreign talents with open arms but when one of its own citizens chooses a life partner of his or her own, the welcome is reserved for those who fit in to the profile of a foreign talent, never mind the talented Singaporean.

I am afraid that there won’t be any recourse for you now that your wife has suffered a stroke due to depression. I am so sorry to hear this, if it helps at all.

I do not know if any of the opposition parties would want to politicise your case to bring public attention to your kind of situation. It might be worth a try with the GE looming over the horizon.

Take good care.

Hi Gemami,

Thank you for your showing your sympathy with me, though there is little i can do about it!
Any ray of hope of advice from anybody will be much appreciated!

Thanks again!

I married a permit holder in her own country when she went back after her permit expired. When she returned to Singapore, I tried to apply her a long term visa but was rejected. ICA also imposed an entry ban on my wife, not letting her enter Singapore. Reason is that I didn’t ask them permission first and wait their approval to get married. They insist they need MOM’s clearance first. Can anyone please tell me how long will this will take. Just for them to lift the entry ban so I can apply her a long term visa so she can come in and out of s’pore as and when.

Entry ban for illegal immigrant (those that caught working when on social visit pass) should be 2 years. However, for your wife case is special, since her work permit was cancelled in good term (I assume with good employment record and it was cancelled because end of the contract?).

The mistakes you make (Sorry, not that I am bugging you)

1. Should seek permission from MOM to get marry (because she hold a work permit before, I believe your wife should know that because she might have seen some of her co-worker married the local)

2. To the rest of the bloggers here that has the intention to marry foreigner somewhere in the future. Even after you seek approval from MOM to get marry, it is advisable to marry in SINGAPORE rather than FOREIGN country (I ever witnessed in ROM the number of documents required to convert your foreign ROM certification is unbelievable.

As for solution for this situation, there are few issue to consider:

1. How much the husband earn every month (ideal usually $2,700 gross, but I personally think safer side will be $3k and above).

2. Did your wife has any bad record during her employment in Singapore?

If the above satisfied. Then you should consider write to MOM first to explain the reason why you did not inform them before your marriage? Your objective is to get a letter from them that they accept your reason.

With this letter, you then go to your MP and get another letter. Then finally, you go to the ICA. Hope this help

Seriously to all:

I believe this policy on the foreigner marriage is due to the fact that in the past a lot of foreigner and Singaporean had abused the system. Even up till now, we have false marriage to earn money or even foreigner that married Singaporean to get PR and then later divorced the partner. Generally speaking, it is protect we Singaporean but however, when our government own agenda include “liability” of the foreigner to the country was included into the equation. The problem became much more complex that it already is!

The line drawn became very narrow and rigid. on the other hand, current Singapore situation where the male and female mindset becoming very much far apart also must be included into the consideration. What I see that Singapore government must do are:

1. Consider how to make Singaporean marriage internally rather than foreigner

2. If foreigner marriage is the direction, then how the line should be drawn.

You see, a lot of time, the root problem of the foreign marriage was because the fundamental problem on the standard of living such as minimum wage, rising cost which make Singapore female expectation on their counterpart singapore male higher. It would be right to say that our government had effectively allowed capitalism evil grow out of proportion! Unless all the social issues are straighten out, there might not even a solution for this problem!

I wish to thank RED-man for his response.
Yes my wife had a good employment record and she left after her contract expired. I will strongly consider your suggestion. I have gone to my MP to write to MOM, after which the appeal was declined. Could you please tell me the objective of the letter from my MP. I am unclear where exactly the MP’s letter should be addressed to, Just the objective will help me start thinking. I await your kind response. Thanks

Dear Logical Son

Don’t mentioned it. Just sharing what I know. First of all, there are a few invisible lines that the government do not want to address properly when come to local and foreigner marriage.

1. The foreigner that hold permit before (except employment pass, because they are deem professional).

2. The foreigner that was caught illegal working in Singapore and given a so-called white card. Usually when their case is settle in court, they will be depot back to their country. Passport usually held during this period of time. Ban from Singapore for a period of 2 years, but I suspect even after that, they might have difficulty applying visa.

3. Foreigner who do not hold any work permit or bad record.

For No.1 and No.3, is very important to know that husband income weigh a lot when come to approval of their bride visa. Like I mentioned above, $2,700. But for sure, $3000 will be a more comfortable zone for approval.

For your info, I understand from many of my co-workers that MOM actually approve foreign permit holder request to marry to the local when asked. It is not so strict compared to the past. I think main reason is because, they want more PRC (to increase Singapore Chinese population). Yes, it is a open state secret! You can call it bias.

Now, come to your question. DO NOT go to your MP unprepared. To my understanding, they are incompetent and most of the Government Department don’t give them face. Usually, if you get the approval, it is your own credit. Not theirs (Personal experience). My wife is a foreigner but not a permit holder. At the same time, I know the DO and DON’T. But most important is that my income is more than enough to get her PR approved.

Unless you are in AMK where your MP is LHL. If not, do some homework. Your problem is MOM. So that is where you should spend your time in (Not with your MP). He can’t do anything! Objective is to explain to the MOM that your wife left Singapore in good term and due to some reason (better be a strong one) you forget to ask their permission to get marry. Maybe you can say that:

1. She had already went back and you have no idea that you still need approval from MOM even when she went back. Btw that why you marry in her country.

2. Tell MOM, that your wife is currently barred from Singapore and would appreciate if they can give you a letter that they have no objection to this marriage. (This is where you want to highlight her good employment record).

You need to keep bugging MOM until you got this letter from them. After you got this letter, go to ROM to ask about converting the marriage certification to Singapore cert. She need that anyway, if she can come back. You will find that you need it for your children, work almost anything you apply in the future. (That is the reason why, I mentioned it is very unwise of you to get married overseas).

Armed with:

1. MOM letter (forgiven letter)

2. Local marriage cert

3. Go look for your MP, with these document, he will know how to write.

4. Then cross your finger and go to ICA.

Now, if at this stage, it still don’t work. I suggest that you write to the Prime Minister Officer. In army, we call it chain of command. Remember? Okay, I really wish you luck. However, I hope your income satisfy what I stated above. This is pretty much very important in this SinkaBloodypore.

BTW, is your wife given a white card?

Go to this website and click MOM
(almost all big shot is here. Get your MP to contact them)
http://www.sgdi.gov.sg/

Or go to here to bug the office on your wife case. You will be invited to a small room for interview with CCTV recording the whole process:

Foreign Manpower Management Division
Ministry of Manpower
120 Kim Seng Road
Singapore 239436

(refer from this link)
http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal/en/header/contact_us.html

****NOTE:
Don’t go to Work Pass Services Centre (WPSC), they issue pass only.

My wife was never given a white card. Where can I obtain her good employment record? As for my income, I’m at a comfortable level. I married her in PI because her parents are elderly her father wanted to witness the ceremony. Respect for elders. Only now I have to do homework to proceed cautiously because I never ask their permission. Next month will be the 6th mth since the ban started. When the ban started I called MOM and a person told me to start applying after 6 month. Actually I was enquiring how long do I have to wait or if I can pay a fine to close the case.

My goodness, not long ago MM says something about graduate parents produces graduate childrens which already offending so many people here, and now they even want to put a restriction on how we are going to get married. What the hell is he trying to do to the people of singapore? its getting out of hand.

Dear logical man
Write to me directly at my email: mob_1001@yahoo.com.sg

Next to come when new couples want to make babies must first apply clearance online before action, “illegal entry is prohibited” iggit? LOL

can a singaporean get married with a maid werking in singapore?

I’m one of them…mine is 11 times rejected already…now i’m hoping for the number 12….how i wish that those who work in MOM ( Marriage Department ) will have the same thinking as you people…..

Sham, you can marry a maid. Question is can you secure her stay here after marriage. Is the real question.

Ali, can’t be sure which department don’t approve you because you mentioned marriage department Which most of the time they don’t reject your marriage with foreigner. Please note that marriage department is (ROM), ministry of manpower is the work permit department (MOM) and immigration department is (ICA). Cheers

ya my future wife is ex work permit holder…that’s y i need to go through M.O.M….so many times go & see MPs…all letter’s have been rejected whitout any reason….even my Mother who is very old go and see the MPs and BEG them to let us married….the asnwer they give is….I ONLY CAN WRITE LETTER….is up to M.O.M to decide..i dnt know how long they want to HOLD my application…i’m not young anymore…i need to have a future…..now even ICA officer dnt let her come in to Singapore without approval letter from M.O.M…i dnt knw who to seek help from…

Hi Ali14sg and Logical son,
I was a work permit holder b4…work permit holder need to seek approval from MOM before they want to get married inside or outside of the country.I know it”s already too late for u both,but i only want to share this to u…sopposed to be , u and ur wife can apply a permission to the MOM first b4 her work permit expired coz MOM allow all work permit holder to apply for approval while she”s holding a wok permit here.It won”t affect her work permit and her employer must know of her applying for married coz MOM wants to know her monthly income.i”ve been in this situation ‘I just got married wif my singaporean husband.
A friendly advised from me….don”t give up! God knows the best.

Hi,Logical son
Based from my experienced as a work permit holder before….u and ur wife has no approval from MOM ,no marriages certificate from ROM of singapore,The ICA will know her record if u hadn”t seek approval from MOM.ICA will banned her for given them a false report.
God Bless!!

Hi ms pop,
Wow..that’s great that u & ur hubby manage to get married….i think is ur husband income….cause they keep on remind me of my income…they dont say how much they want but they say mine is not enough…& i just got the number 12th letter…and its rejected again….i dnt knw how long they want to play this game…i have a stable job and also a part time job & my life is nothing but work…but they dnt care they still rejected my application just because she’s a WORK PERMIT HOLDER before…sometimes i just think is it a crime to be an ex work permit holder…didn’t they know even animals need love….& i realise that mostly Singaporean the one who become a burden to the state cause they let them married without checking their income status…..and if u dnt mind maybe u can share your exprience with me…my email is ali14sg@yahoo.com ….thank you.

Hi I’m a Singaporean Lady who married to a Nigerian man one yr ago in Singapore. I earn $3k per mth and my husband long term visit pass has been rejected twice. Me too did go thru MP but was shocked to hear from the ICA officer for his last application that was being rejected by the MP. My husband has to be in and out from Singapore inorder for us to be together. He only allow to be in Singapore for 30days and ICA officer normally act like we owe them millions when we asked for extension. I really don’t understand the rule of marriage in Singapore. I don’t know what our government want from us. I really think that government should list out type of man Singapore Woman can marry and rule to apply for long term visit pass or S’pore PR.

Nigerian man recently had been in the recent blacklist according to the newspaper. It was reported that there were too many cases of Nigerian Singapore wife involved in drug cases overseas. To protect Singapore passports, government must have discourage Singapore woman from getting involved with the Nigerian man directly.

For your case, I believe your hope of getting approval might be never.

red man, i need your advise .. pls… i just ROM with a work permit holder who working here over 5 yrs . Both of us are Malaysian and I just get my PR on yr 2008. We forgot to apply the approval letter from MOM before we ROM at Malaysia, so what should i do now ??? I got call to MOM to provide them our details on yesterday and I have to wait 14 days to know the result… I really scare and sad, i worry my husband’s work permit will be cancelled and ban entry to S’pore again … are we have chance to get the approval letter ?? ?

Hi Guys..
Im facing same problem here.
I am a work permit holder ( Malaysian) and my girlfriend is singaporean.
I am earning S$1700.00 and she is earning S$1000.00. Can i marry my singaporean GF ?

Daniel

Hi to all. I have read all your comments here and it send shivers to my spine. I would like to seek mr RED-man advice. My boyfren is a Moroccan. He will be coming to Singapore under social visit by March. We plan to marry on May tiz year. I havent seek any approval from MOM yet but will be doing so soon as possible. And also we will be registering marriage in Singapore and not overseas. Im an admin manager wt salary of 1300 while he has Diploma in Fitness Coaching. He hasn’t been working in Singapore before, neither a work permit holder. Im scared and sad if the MOM reject the my application for approval. Please I need your guidance on my case here. Im totally new to this. Do I have to seek from the MP too ?

Hi MistyRieusGerl,
I think you dont need to seek approval from M.O.M cause he never work here before….only I.C.A.

Hi REDMAN,
My wife to be is holding her working S-PASS now….so what should i do….i mean do i need to go to MPs for help regarding our marriage or wait for her to apply for PRs….?

Hi Ali14sg. I would like to thank you for your response. Ok, regarding ICA, tell me what should i enquire on my partners case.

Hi MistyRieusGerl,
I think you can just go ahead with your marriage at Singapore R.O.M….then apply for him Long Term under spouse at I.C.A but you must have Marriage Cert first….then follow up by PRs…the best is make baby A.S.A.P so you’ll have the reason to get ur husband a PRs…MistyRieusGerl i just give you some of the picture that you have to go through…the best is we wait for the Seniors in this Forum to answer your questions…..Best of Luck !!!

Hello Ali14sg
Refering to your comment for MistyRieusGerl, I just want to ask you a question. Currently I am facing the same problem as her. My fiance who has never worked in Singapore will be coming here to get married. We plan to do everything as you mentioned. But when it comes to making the baby, will that really work? And wil they consider that kind of situation because based on what i’ve read so far, they usually consider on wealth and status, and not on hardship of the spouse if visa application is rejected.

#68, just like to share with you.

If your fiance who has never worked in Singapore, you need not go thru MOM.
What you have to do is go directly to ROM.

Making baby fast to get LTP? Not true!

You are right! They usually consider on wealth and status. Your annual Income must exceed S$30K (for pass 3yrs).

Thanks for the reply *Cool*.

I’ve read so many forums and some information are just very misleading. There is one member from some other site who said that her low education uncle and his PRC wife got a child together after getting married. When they applied for PR, it went through instantly without any problems.

So now i really wonder …. *hmm* / confused

Hi Sonjablade…..sometimes information are not misleading…it happened !!! recently i meet a guy who married a Philippino woman…and guess what this woman is a maid before…and what more supries me is this guy earns only $1300 per month as a driver…..So no body knows what’s ur application would be unless you try it urself….just like me…13th times rejected by M.O.M…NO MERCY !!! but that guy 2 times rejected after appeal Approved !!!

Yeah I totally agree with you because you wouldn’t know how its like for you until you try it youself.

Ali14sg, can i ask you a question regarding your situation? Did you actually go to your member of parliament to appeal? Because I’m thinking of doing that if mine were to get rejected.

We are also ready to exit Singapore to Malaysia and come back to renew his short term social visit everytime it expires if he still hasn’t got a job or a reply from the ica regarding our application. Have anyone done that before? Because i heard when you exit to malaysia, you’d have to stay there for a minimum of 5 days. The reason why I asked is because I dont think we would have the time to do the exiting every 14 days and stay in malaysia for 5 days.

Hi Sonjablade,
Yes i did see my MPs but none of them can help….they just keep on writting & writting & writting for 13th times…no changes all letter’s REJECTED !!! i really piss off…as i said they are going to loose a BIG amount of vote this coming election…ok back to ur case…i think you can try to seek help from them….cause sometimes there r luck !!! but i think the best is if u can write it urself & pass it to them and let them ( MPs ) sign the papers and submit….cause frankly speaking i dnt even know what r they writting…they dnt tell you..and if they do, they wont express their feeling like we do…so if u have a very good command in english…just write it urself….and as for exiting from Malaysia i think its not a good idea…GOOD LUCK !!!

If you need a professional to draft the letter, you can consider hiring my services. As much as I would love to, I am not able to offer complimentary assistance and need to charge a fee. However, I will try to keep the cost as low as possible.

Good luck and all the best….

ali.. think you can go ahead to marry your gf now that she is on an S-Pass. She just needs to inform her employer to update her marital status.
for my problem now, i intend to marry my gf who is an employment pass holder, do i need any approval from any govt unit? and my gf is intending to quit her job, so if we decide to register at ROM after she cancels her EP, do we need to apply for any approval or inform any govt unit?

Ali, thank you for your comments. Yes i will definitely go to one of my MPs for help if our application is rejected. Yeah i heard the exiting to Malaysia won’t work so we’re not going to use that plan then. My main concern for my fiance once he comes to Singapore and after we ROM is to apply for a long term pass first simultaneously with PR. At least he will have some time to look for a job here.
I am seriously thinking of doing what you suggested; make baby BUT I dont think the people at ICA would care. I read on some other forum that its a common sight at ICA office to see couples with babies while applying for PR, to get some sympathy from the officers.

RR, if I were you, I would call MOM or go there and check with them first before you ROM. Just to be on the safe side.

MOM called me, told me EP holder dun need apply approval to get married.

RR Congrats !!! all the best….as for me i already check with MOM about S PASS holder…and they confirm with me that no need to seek approval from them…but to get PRs is difficult…so i think i would just wait for her to apply PRs first then i proceed with my marriage….any suggestion ???

Thank you.

Hi all, I happened to browse thru online and saw this site. I am currently facing a very bad time. I am a Singaporean lady and got married to a Pakistani man in year 2007. He was holding an EP at that point of time. After 1 yr, we applied for his PR under his own EP but it was rejected. We then went to MP and again it was rejected until the 3rd time, we decided to wait for awhile. After that, my husband’s EP was supposed to b renewed but they rejected the renewal strangely after 2 times pass was renewed without any problem. We did not appeal then as my husband was tired of all the crap. Then we applied for him a long term pass in Feb 09 and they gave him 2 mths to stay in singapore and wait for the result and till today have yet to get any reply. My husband is now in Pakistan as he had went to attend his brother’s marriage on March 16th. I applied for him an entry visa so that he can enter Singapore again just in case his long term pass gets approved but I was really shocked that they gave me the answer as “After careful consideration, the application is not successful.”
What the ???$$%%^?!
Its really time consuming and waste of money. Is the govt only need money?? I am soo dissappointed.. n all this while, I have always loved Singapore, proud of it and its governance.. but now, im half hearted..
My husband told me not to worry as worse come to worst, we will migrate.. to US perhaps..N myabe I have to stay in Pakistan for awhile.. tat place is rather dangerous.. dun singapore government care about their citizens at all?? I am really at a loss..I dunno wat to do.. I am afraid if his long term pass gets rejected as I am only earming 2k…
Till today I havent heard anything from them.. And all these waiting costs money as we call internationally everyday.. at times we do chat and using a webcam but its all different as having the person here with us.. now i cant concentrate at work also. If my application gets rejected, what should I do?? I have been to Pakistan, even I have a lot of family members there but I still prefer singapore. As my family is in singapore and I am originally a born singaporean. I have been to UK but still it does not suit me as my friends are not there.. I am soooo confused.. :( anyone can offer advise?

Hi Mrs Khan,
I really feel sorry for you…i think you are having the same feeling as i am…..all i can say is ( MAYBE ) the Goverment dnt really give a DAMM to people like us & singapore is like a COMPANY not a COUNTRY anymore….the locals need help they cannot help….but they want VOTE….they want us to DEFENCE our country…but what do they give us…NOTHING !!! totally ZERO !!! i belived those people from the Goverment sector missuse their power…..didn’t they know life is very short.

Hi Mrs Khan

Me too having the same problem with you. I’m a Singaporean who married to a Nigerian man in 2007. Till now…… really don’t know what exactly ICA looking for.
I go thru MP to appeal t’ll ICA asked me to give them a break last year. My husband went back to his country last in Dec 2008 and he is in Singapore now.

Today, we went to ICA to extend his stay for another mth. And yes, they did approve our application but I really hate the way they written beside the stamp in the passport “To Leave”. I really really hate that!

Sometime, I feel that our govert just do not care about how we feel as a Singaporean ladies. We too need to take care of our old parent and we too need a man by our side to assists us.

Anyway, I’m going to try to apply the LTP for my husband again and I really hope
that we will get thru this time (no confident and tried).

Regards

Hi all,

I’m Lobs,
,…was searching for answers on the web, happen to
found you this site.

I also have the same “Big Headache”… I’m 35 years old &
a work permit here for 5 years now with $1700 salary.
My girlfriend is a local with $1500 salary. I’m planning to
marry her but dont know how to go about. She’s been very
good to me and I do like to give her security & happines.
.
..So my question to you all are ;-
– can we get marry?
– can I apply for PR after marry?

Please do help for advise coz it wont be fair for my girlfriend if we
can get marry but I cant get my PR & have to go back
leaving my girlriend.

“Please Help to give me advise”
- Thank you very much -
LOBS

hi all,

I don’t think MOM just look at applicant’s salary.
My income is more than $35,000 a month, but was rejected as well.
The only reason I could think of is that she was once my domestic helper.
Now, I have to fly occasionally to visit my son and my wife to be .
But I didn’t give up!
Maybe, the authority should make it clearer to all employer about the seriousness so that we will not
fall in love with our worker.

Ignorant

I think the need to change those ( OLD TIMERS ) in M.O.M to a young officers who can understand what Love & Life is……

Hi Ali

No use changing to a young officers cos’ they are still following the same boss under the same rules.

i just hope that everything will turn better for everyone of us with all these problem one day.

Regards

Sometimes i just taught that we should all write a letter to a higher Minister regarding our case….cause this is our future…..and age is catching up…if i or you just write they will not entertain us….so maybe we can write it as a group and tell the Minister that we are serious about this & The Minister should know that there are people like us….begging for our future….

I just want a fair treatment. If I’m being rejected, I just want to know why.

Me too, did want to write to the Minister who can listen and look into it.

I’m staying with my old parents and I need my husband to be with us in order to
help me to take good care of my old folks. My mum went thru the implant of knee surgery and she can’t walk properly. I’m having my owe flat and I have a good job but I just don’t understand why I’m being rejected.

I intend to write in and have a cover letter to be attached to my coming application.

I will never give up!

Regards

Hi everyone…me too is facing the same problem.Anyway I’m a Filipina married to a Singaporean. WE got married in my country and applied for long term visit pass during my stay there in Singapore many years ago. My application was rejected and I was forced to leave the country and been banned from entering again. Until now my husband is begging MOM to lift the ban through MP but rejected for countless of times. WE are appealing to them for almost 10 years now and sad to say that we are living separately with my son with me who is very confused with our situation. Its so depressing but we are still hoping that this policy will be revised or change and I’ll be allowed to go back to Singapore again even just a visitor, that will be enough for me because I’m not a criminal, I’m not a sex worker or have worked in Singapore illegally. I have a very clean record there and never offend anyone there. We just happened to fell in love…

Fruit full infor

I’m a Singaporean 25f and I married my husband, 27 from Solomon Islands. We met in New Zealand where we were working for 2 years, and after my work pass expired and Immigration NZ mysteriously refused to extend my permit, I came back to SIngapore with my husband and we got married while he was on a social visit pass.

He applied for a Long term visit pass which wasn’t approved but they gave him 6 months to look for a job. He has a trade certificate in Horticulture and found it really hard to find a job cos there’s no market here. I have a diploma from Singapore Poly and am working as a writer earning $2k a month.

The problem is, it’s very difficult for him to find a job as employers want PR and Citizens, while those who employ foreigners underpay and make them work 12 hours a day, 2 off days a month for $900.

His permit expires in Nov 09, and I suspect he will be unable to find any job here, so he will have to leave the country. The airfare to Solomon Islands cost $2k one-way, which means we might not even be able to afford the air fare.

I would really like to stay with my husband here, and take care of my elderly parents as I’m the only child. But Singapore Government is really making me exasperated.

To make matters worse, in my course of work I often have to interview Ministers like GCT and LHL, and hear them go on and on about the greatness of PAP and how we should welcome foreigners. Sometimes I feel like just stepping out from the circle of reporters and shout at them,”Then why don’t you just leave married couples alone you bloody hypocrites!”

Reading about all these cases of rejection even though they’re earning ten times my salary, what hope do I have? I think I better get ready to move to Solomon Islands and fish for a living.

At least the Gov here is giving your husband a chance to find a job before they can approve his PR. Unlike the rest, your husband is not ban from entering Singapore. I would suggest he look for a job asap and don’t look at the what kind of pay. Employer will accept his application if he can produce evidence that he it’s not illegal to employ him. Good Luck!

Hi i have some questions,
my wife to be is pregnant and she is holding a work permit and is living with me, what should i do now? see mom for approval ? will we get approve easily ? my income per year is 40080 and my gf is 24000+ so can it be easily be approved or not ? can she be a pr as well ? or only the baby can be the singaporean ? please help

Well if we talk about income you both are stable…..but it still depend on M.O.M….just pray…..wish you both have a good result in the future.

If she is not a domestic helper, your chance of getting MOM to approve your marriage is higher that also apply that both of you are not employer and employee related. However, do take note that if MOM reject your application, she might be ban from coming into Singapore until your appeal is successful. That could be many many years.

ok one more thing is that she her occupation is a beautician so will that count as a domestic helper ? and she currently is living with me. will there be any issues on that ?

If you are not her employer, the chances is higher. I would suggest you to apply Permission to marry a work permit holder from MOM as soon as possible. With both your pay, i don’t see any reason they will reject your application. Do take note that it will be too late if your girl friend give birth before marry to you.

should i tell them that she is pregnant ? or not

Call MOM, Marriage restriction policy department and ask for the application form.
You don’t have to tell them if they didn’t ask you this question.
But, you need to declare that you do not have a child outside your marriage.

meaning to say i dont have a child outside my marriage ?

i have the form which is named

Application for Permission to Marry a singapore citizen / singapore permanent resident

her boss take it for her through mom theres one column for me to fill stating that

Did your relationshop with each other lead to the birth of any child in or outside singapore ?

i called mom yesterday regarding this matter to ask about the marriage thingy they asked for my nric and my full name so i told them that my wife to be is pregnant so what should i declare ?

I assume that the answer to the question ” Did your relationshop with each other lead to the birth of any child in or outside singapore ?” should be “No” since your girlfriend had not given birth to any child.
It’s better to check with MOM. I suggest you don’t declare your name for this case.
Just ask them should you indicate “Yes” or “No”.
It seem to me that you have a merit to your application.
Good Luck!

oh just that pregnant no need to put it as YES?

Pregnant is not a question in the application form.
No need to tell them.

the problem is ysd i call the mom and i declared my name as my gf is pregnant so im very confused hmmm… i just called mom and asked they asked me to put yes with expecting a child. But i dont know whether this will lead to the person to get kicked out of sg ?

Hi dot,

Pls take note that do not tick any of the questions as ‘YES’, otherwise you will be regretted for as long as you can remember!
From what i had gathered, your girlfriend will be send back and barred from entering singapore as long as they wish. how long? nobody knows!
Hopefully, they asked for your particular during your call is for survey purposes.
I wish you good luck!

I agreed with Desperado. Pregnant and ” Did your relationshop with each other lead to the birth of any child in or outside singapore ?” is like not related. Your girl friend have not given birth.

hi there, i wanted to know for ex-work permit holder after the permit was cancelled how long does he/she has to return to country and can be back to sg.and can he/she marry a singaporean?

WP or Ex-WP holder need to get permission from MOM before marry in Singapore.
She can return to Singapore but on tourist pass which usually for only 30 days.

hmmm, she just went back on the 8th of aug can she be back on 5days later or min requirement 3month due to she was a ex work permit holder.

hi guy i need help. my wife to be had a job in singapore as a domestic artics (WP holder) the WP is 6month but due to the bad income she request to leave the company after the 3month and the boss of the company cancelled her WP and was approval and she had left sg this evening. Will she get ban from coming in sg ? can we still plan to on marriage ? is it to late to apply MOM for marriage?

Moodgone

From what i know. i had a friend which have a such problem as yours. he told me that his gf is a WP too after the WP is expired she have to leave the country and back to her own country. but from what he told me his gf went back thailand for 1 day and flew from thailand to malaysia and stay there for a week and she came in to singapore. (* but i’m not sure will it work now ) You can ask your wife to be to try it.

Stay 1 month then come back to Singapore….i dont see any problem with that….but only get 30 days….but can E-extend another 30 days….dont waste those 60 days if you have…work on it…!!!

If you are no more employed by a company or as a domestic helper, there is no reason for your employer to hold on to your WP and pay the levy, Right?
So they cancell the WP. Then you go back because not working here anymore, Right? Nobody sacked you or no offence comitted in the midst of yr employment. Then you just come in as a visitor . But if you want to marry a S’porean, you still have to get permission for now. Even if you are not working here anymore. Re: Pregnant, I’m not sure, I think S’pore don’t need any babies because it’s a small island just enough for the adults to enjoy themselves. Children waste alot of adult’s time and money. And they cry alot ! See, look on the bright side.
For those who lost hope or waiting forever, there is a site, Malaysia My Home. Many S’porean students are crossing the causeway to back home after school each day. Rent out your house here & work here. Convert all your cash to ringgit and live like a king there. Rent a house in Johore only one third the rent you are getting here. Then shift different house every 5 to 6 months for different scenery. At least you and yr wife is always together. Actually you don’t even have to work, but since there is alot of money here, just take it and go enjoy there. Sorry for making it sound so simple, but it is. I rented a banglow by the beach for 300 ringgit a month. Got a car and a bike parked downstairs. Security guards are gurkas just like what the ministers here have. Everyday I just play guitar and write songs. Life is short Man! Live It, Cheers!! I love S’pore Man !

peacebro

what you mean , i don’t get it rent a house in malaysia you mean ? but for a singaporean can we rent it ? or do we need someone which is a malaysian to rent for us ? pls help.

Yes, you can rent a house or an appartment in Johore. Many housing agents there. They can give you alot of good advice as well. Once you get into the action, you will start getting alot of information especially on how to prolong your partners stay. The authority there also very helpful, especially if you are staying there. I know this person working in Woodlands Hawker center. He rented out his house in Pasir Ris, and rented a place in Johore. He said easier and faster for him to go to work. That means, it can’t be that difficult, Right ? Cheers !

Hi RED-man,

Are you still visiting this page, i’ve questions for you. Please check your mailbox and hope to hear from you soon. Thanks.

Hi all,
Look you dnt have to leave the country cause of this thing….try to find a way to
solve those problem…getting out of this country is not gonna solve all those problems….cause other country have their own laws….think of a way…work on it…
i’m sure you will be just like me….

hi to double cfm . does a EP holder need to apply for approval to get marriage ? thanks

S-Pass holder no need but EP not sure call ROM to confirm…

guys, i having a problem here which i’m unsure about. we got approval from MOM and ROM for our Marriage but we can only get the earliers date is on the 4th jan 2010. but my gf visa is expires on the 8oct 2009 can she just get long term pass or extented till the date of out marriage.

is there any official black and white notice online to see how is the procedure of marrying a foreigner? especially when she has a work permit here in Singapore. My mum went to ask an MOM officer as I was quite caught up in work.. and the MOM officer advised my mum saying that don’t ask for her approval, as this approval thingy is to find those WP holders falling in love, then they will take action on these WP holders. When I heard about this, i got kind of shocked, My mum is rather worried as she won’t want my r/s to screw up… I really love this current gf of mine as vice versa…

If your girlfriend is a WP or ex-WP holder, you have to get MOM’s permission before getting married. I say BEFORE marrying because you may choose to marry outside of S’pore without applying MOM permission. If you lie in the application that she has not work in S’pore, remember there is already a record and they will reject your application for violation. Your gf will be ban from entering S’pore. Nobody in MOM will tell you until when. Just meet the basic salary requirement, (not sure how much) and apply accordingly. Thanks

Hi to Ali and all. Long time neva write. :D I have been officially married to my Moroccan husband Applied one time for his LTP got approved for 1 year. He was never a WP holder and its his 1st time here in Sg and only travel 1 day to Malaysia and back to Sg when he was an LTP holder. I have applied his PR on 19 Sept 2009, now waiting for results. Currently my husband search high and low for any jobs but all want PRs and citizens. I’m so nervous abt the results from ICA if his PR application become unsuccessful. We cant live like this without any capital in hand if got rejected. My irritating/ annoying boss also never intended to increase my salary for my service since April 2008 til now. Both of us haven’t save enough $$$ to go back to his country. He cant stay on like this without being employed and unsaved money. What kind of criteria for PR application need to be approved ??? Im very scared,sad,nervous but try to relax, same time tinkin of worse tatz gonna happen…….. : |

hi MistyrieusGerl
just a question for you. whats your husband highest qualification and experience? and what is yours? we have a similar situation too

Hi MistyrieusGerl,
Congrats !!! it must be a very beautifull moment in life…..!!!

he has international diploma in bodybuilding coach while im only an N level cert holder. my salary is onli 1300 per month

Hi everyone,i am a working permit holder as a domestic helper,working here almost 5 years until now,i was worked my 1st employer last 3 years ago and now my working permit was under my bf singaporean’ i was under his name almost 3 years,he dicided to employ me because of his parents are both old already,since we also planing this year to marry i accept his offer so that no need to apply other maid…..now we planing to cancel my permit then i go to philippines cos my bf want to apply in MOM the permission to marry under work permit,now i want to asking all of you who knows about this,did can affected my status?,because my employer is my husband to be WHO WANT TOAPPLY TO……PLS I NEED THE ANSWER ASAP,hope all of u can help me.thanx nd really appreciate u’r advice,i really need an advice about my case…..

-we really love each other,and i hope MOM can understand us..actually we waiting this time quite long time,co’s we scared that MOM will not agreed upon our request,my employer before was teached my bf to employ me under his name so that more easy to apply for our marriage next time in MOM,but now we scared cos alot of topics i read it here..pls help us to know wat is the truth…he’s 42 and i am 33 already……..I NEED AN ANSWER ASAP THANX……..

Hi Dang,

You have every reason to be scared if going by the MOM stipulation is anything to go by. This is the Notice I am able to pull out for you, and honestly, after reading it, I can only come to one conclusion – no one can help you.

‘This is to inform you that your marriage to a SG citizen/PR resident will not automatically confer on you the right to reside in SG permanently. Similarly, it will not automatically entitle you to the issue or renewal of any Immigration pass to remain or to work in SG.

The purpose of this Notice is to inform you of the position concerning the issue of an Entry permit for PR or for any other Immigration passes to work or stay in SG. It is in no way intended to discourage you from getting married in the Republic or to influence you in any way.’

The first paragraph tells you that your marriage to a SG citizen means nothing until MOM decides that it is worth something.

The second paragraph tells you that your marriage to a SG citizen means nothing until MOM decides that it is worth something.

The third paragraph tells you that your marriage to a SG citizen means nothing until MOM decides that it is worth something.

The fourth paragraph tells you in no uncertain term, the point that the Notice wants to bring across in paragraphs 1, 2 & 3 – that your marriage to a SG citizen means nothing until MOM decides that it is worth something. The best part of the Notice, which should scare you the most is this – that your decision to marry or not is not influenced by the Notice given by MOM.

Now you can draw your own conclusion. Just remember that in a cold and hard place like MOM, the least you should be expecting is for it to recognise your love for each other. Handling love matters is not what the MOM was created for.

so is thier any problem?if ever we submit the papers,is it affected cos my bf is my employer…

why singapore country so trouble,any country u can marry any kind as long u can take care.why they don’t understand our feelings.

Hi Dang……you remind me of my case.

why?can u pls help me if what should i do upon my case

It really saddens me to read all that I’m reading today. One has little control over whom one falls in love with and marries. However, the PAP government (through the ICA and MOM) is happy to say ‘no can do’ for spouses who’re either not well off in their own right, married a wealthy Singapore spouse or have roots from China.

Every instance of denial appears to be affecting non-Chinese applicants…am I imagining this? Many applications are denied because the couple’s income is too low?! This seems to perpetuate the eugenics of keeping the less well off from marrying and having kids. Like Nazi Germany, we appear to perpetuate the blond hair blue eyed equivalent by only allowing those with $$$ to marry ex permit holders. I still can’t believe that MOM has to give permission after the free flow of direct PRs coming into our country.

Don’t take this the wrong way. I’m all for searching for the better life. I just HATE the fact that
1) no one knows clearly where the OB markers are!
2) the various govt agencies appear to have their own instructions that are NOT in line with our MIW’s announcements and declarations! &
3) our MPs are totally useless – all they appear to be good for is to give us false hopes!

It’s Monday and I’m already pissed!

Hi Dang,
First of all….you need to go home to your country first….maybe 1 or 2 month ( this base on my experience ) then submit your application…that will take 1 month…remember while you submit your application you are a tourist and you know you only can stay for 2 month…1 month by entering Singapore and 1 month using e-extened…..well that’s all i can give you the way…hope you have a very good luck….cause its not always depened on income…you must have a luck also…..maybe you guys think carefully before submit your application….as for my case 13th times rejected by M.O.M and MP cannot even help…until my wife got an S-PASS then we got married…now waiting for her PRs to approve…..hope i gave you some hints….feel free to ask me any questions…..Good Luck !!!

thanks a lot for the reply,i just wonder if how u’r wife apply for s-pass……co’z she cannot come long time ryt?u said only 2 months..

Hi Dang,
Ya you right she came here to stay for 2 month then stay in her country for 2 month then came here again….you see how difficult our love life….but thanks GOD she had a Diploma and she’s also had a Groomer expirence…so she applied for a Groomer’s job and she got it with S-PASS….maybe i dont know if you should try to upgrade your pass….give a try….since you are only 33 if i’m not wrong…..if you dont mind which country are you from….?

hi ali;
i came from philippines,oh thats good 4 her,i am shy to tell u this but i am only a high school grad,so how can i upgrade myself,but sa of now i am studying 2 course but only for certfcte,i don’t know if can help,and my problem is in my last time employer i never finish my contract i work with her only 3 yrs,because they promise me that they will add my salary but addtional 1 year alrdy still same,thats y go back to my country,then after that he apply me to come again but he is my employer,and i argue with my lady boss that time too,so how u think?is that a bad record for me…i still thinking until now if i am gonna renew my permit or no need,coz we wanna start to apply but…………….

Hi Dang,
It doesn’t matter if you are high school grad’s….as long as you take a course and if possible try to take any Diploma in Singapore…cause the GOV wants to know if you can contribute to singapore after you get married….about your last employer i think as long she doesn’t report to M.O.M….everything will be fine…..try to get as much CERT as you can…and ask your hubby not to give up if its rejected….go to MP ask for help…..try to apply again and again….just remember dont give up….there is always a way……

hi, my name is kate , so much hassle to marry the person u love ,,,, but as they saying , no pain no gain …. be patient… for me, also hoping to marry my fiance for more or less 6 years from now.. but i have no idea on what to do.. but now after reading all your comment ,, wow, thats quite challenging. am working as a work permit holder n basically studying at the same time n i am taking up deploma of tourism. n my fiance is working at police guard at cisco company. so now, i just want to know what are the possibility of applying the approval from the mom. what are the chances would you think if we get the approval first then get married? is it possible for us to be togethr?

-my employer called MOM last time but i have employer already,she wants to cancel my permit but MOM said she can’t cancel co’s i have my new employer….they told her that only my employer who can cancel my permit…so how do u think???any problem of that?
if ever i finished my permit this dec,i go back then my hubby apply in MOM,can i still can come or visit singapore?……..THANKS

-and other one is my contract is addtional 2 yrs but i never finished i have work to them only 3 yrs,is this can be a problem also?cos all i know is i break the contract……..hope everything will be fine,or maybe i am gonna renew my permit first for 2 yrs,then after start to apply,as of now i really scare of it,can we apply eventhough haven’t finish my contract?like…….1 month before my expiration of my permit………..sorry for make u ………i appreciated.

Hi Kate,
I think for your case is not that bad cause your fiance is working at police guard at cisco company…and more or less you are taking the Diploma which is in Singapore..the chances of rejection is low if your fiance can prove to MOM that he pays TAX and having a stable income……if you manage to find a company who can employ you…then you can upgrade from WP to S-pass or E-pass…lastly please ask permision from MOM before get married…..that is a must….cause you still holding WP unless you are holding other passes…..Good Luck !!!

Hi Dang,
Yes you can apply even your contract expire another 1 year…according to them…if your application is not approved ( rejected ) you will only go home when your contract expire….you dont worry about your ex employer…you will only have a black mark if you…example ( pregnant , crime case like stealing or run away from employer….but other than that….i dont think MOM will take action…cause they also know even employer also makes alot of mistakes…..breaking a contract is nothing….changing employer is also not against MOM rule…so not too worry….just continue with your studies until you are ready…cause its gonna takes alot of patient….dont loose hope…….

hi ali,
gud am,hope ur ok…..just wanna ask u if ever (my friend of mine)has a record in police station,is it considering a case in MOM TOO???My friend was stool a wallet last 2 years in orchard,but the truth is she never do that thing but the wallet was found in her bag,her friend who angry her that time in a pub was the one who put,but no body can prove but we know that she is the one…now police blive that she taken that wallet coz found in her bag,after a few weeks (4 weeks) the give her a warning letter only to dont do it again,inside the wallet has a $400,it hapenned all this inside the PUB……Hw u think?any problem or case in MOM?she’s planning to get marry on dec…the bf has a high salary…….she never go to jail only 4 invistgtion.

Hi Dang,
Well i think if its a police case ( nothing to do with her employer ) or warning from a police doesn’t reflect on MOM record….but if applying for PR maybe they will trace if she had any record or anythings that against Singapore Law….

my husband PR application is not successful… *sigh*.. currently hes taking certification at JBS. Will tat support his future PR application ? Im so disappointed with tiz in ferst place coz my husband reali reali hope to get a job wen get PR. Sad to see him in dilemma. Now he spoke less to me n i felt tat hes angry towards me for make him come here and marry. He told me if he know the situation like tiz, he shall neva come. I feel the change in him tat he turn a lil cold towards me. He nv listen to wat i told him. Also have probs wit my mother becoz of my husband.

“Even our rights to marry have to be dictated by the state.
What a joke! This is not gay marriage!
Hope to say bye bye. ”

I think the greater joke is that Singaporeans actually look to the government to secure relationships.

Hi MistyrieusGerl
Its not a good news….but that’s just the first time…go for 2nd time….sometime PRs application not only you must have job or cert but they trying to see what are your husband can contribute to the country and yourself…..ask him to be patient…dont give up so easily….dont blame on each other….pray to GOD….you know the best place to be in this world is to be with the one you love….so try to solve one thing at a time…make a plan….then work on it…..dont make this rejection letter as the end of everything…..and PRs is not apply for 1 time only…you can apply for 2nd time….and asked their suggestion what to improve…i believed they will help…..and lastly try to seek help from MP…make them work….tell them your problem….what happened if you have kids…will the father be in other country….share with them your problem……hope things will be better soon….GOOD LUCK !!!

do u tink i should take up a diploma in this short period? my next appointment wil be on feb 2010. im also planning to change my job.

Hi MistyrieusGerl ,
Yes you can work on it…but the main topic is your hubby….they want to see
how he will provide you when you get pregnant or if you not feeling well…..
he must get a job….to prove that he can support you when you are in such situation…i belived they aimed on him…its nothing to do with you…but you still can go for other job…maybe with more income the chances is higher…..Good Luck !!!

It’s been awhile since the last post..perhaps everyone’s been busy with the recent cny hols and whatnot.  It’s been just heartbreaking and mindblowing going through these posts and learning how damn tough it is simply to want to love and live life with a person JUST because his/her nationality differs from yours. Bah. My cousin really wants to marry her fiance who is Thai and working as a chef here earning $2.4k and currently holding an S-pass (he’s been here 6 years). She runs a cafe with her sis although the place isn’t in her name and thus is wondering how hard would it be for them to marry and him being granted pr-ship. Will he have to cancel his S-pass in order to marry her or can he work and still get married at the same time? Thanks so much and any advice will be totally appreciated!

Now you know why they say Singapore is SOULESS.
The government CONTROLS EVERYTHING!…and its people supports it by voting for this punishment each and every time. Who to blame? No balls to vote for change so controlling government keeps people’s balls in locked cupboard.  Doomed red dot.

it is not about voting for change.
 
it is about voting for progress and improvement.
Who in the right mind think pap is doing good for s’poreans? it is all for their own self enrichment.

they don’t even mention about rental flats anymore, you think they actually think about helping the poor?

No need to cancel S-Pass…just go to ROM.

hi ali,
     we are going to submit our appliction next week,i hope everything will be fine.,i never cancel my permit we just waiting for the result i hope will be fine

how you think,is that ok?without canceling my wp?

Hi Sweet,
Well you can try…..and best of luck !!!
Do inform the outcome…..