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	<title>Comments on: Third ministers’ pay hike in two years – Staying together or moving ahead?</title>
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		<title>By: arron</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/third-ministers%e2%80%99-pay-hike-in-two-years-%e2%80%93-staying-together-or-moving-ahead/comment-page-2/#comment-36299</link>
		<dc:creator>arron</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 10:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The standard of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.visitors.sg/medical-resources.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; singapore medical clinics&lt;/a&gt; is very good now. But of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The standard of <a href="http://www.visitors.sg/medical-resources.asp" rel="nofollow"> singapore medical clinics</a> is very good now. But of course everyone is entitled to their own opinion.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 07:49:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo 

pay hike?

what&#039;s the economy outlook like for 2009?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo </p>
<p>pay hike?</p>
<p>what&#8217;s the economy outlook like for 2009?</p>
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		<title>By: ACACIA</title>
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		<dc:creator>ACACIA</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:38:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Absolutely lost all respect and decency for all of them.
Singaporeans really have short memories. There was strong opposition when they started this madness of high salaries. They basically shot themsleves in the foot and lost face.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Absolutely lost all respect and decency for all of them.<br />
Singaporeans really have short memories. There was strong opposition when they started this madness of high salaries. They basically shot themsleves in the foot and lost face.</p>
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		<title>By: jefj0901</title>
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		<dc:creator>jefj0901</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If on the eve of polling day, they decided to do something like cash handouts, rebates here and there, tax breaks etc, assuming the economy still in the gloom..They are going to win it big time. For the simple reasons..

1) People are have goldfish memory when it comes to minding money and neccessities. People forgets when money dangles in front of them in times of need.. 
carrot  + donkey = run faster

2) The salary hike will happen but so does civil service pay. Civil servants will enjoy increment and variable bonus +++. 
Again..carrot+ donkey = run faster..

3) The earlier budget announcement is to douse the people&#039;s notion that the government doesn&#039;t care. The budget aims to also to silence mismanagement of town council funds, gastronomic spending on overseas investments and also the fallout of structured products. With projected lower GDP and higher inflation plus rising deficit, another sure thing is financial assistance and more cash to be given out..
donkey + more carrots = well fed, sleepy donkey

4) Singaporeans don&#039;t need freedom of speech or basically human whatever rights we just want our problems to be settled by our government..and after more than 50 years of rule..I think they can read exactly how to keep majority submissive and satisfied. 

smart master + well fed sleepy donkey = more hard work tomorrow for donkey</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If on the eve of polling day, they decided to do something like cash handouts, rebates here and there, tax breaks etc, assuming the economy still in the gloom..They are going to win it big time. For the simple reasons..</p>
<p>1) People are have goldfish memory when it comes to minding money and neccessities. People forgets when money dangles in front of them in times of need..<br />
carrot  + donkey = run faster</p>
<p>2) The salary hike will happen but so does civil service pay. Civil servants will enjoy increment and variable bonus +++.<br />
Again..carrot+ donkey = run faster..</p>
<p>3) The earlier budget announcement is to douse the people&#8217;s notion that the government doesn&#8217;t care. The budget aims to also to silence mismanagement of town council funds, gastronomic spending on overseas investments and also the fallout of structured products. With projected lower GDP and higher inflation plus rising deficit, another sure thing is financial assistance and more cash to be given out..<br />
donkey + more carrots = well fed, sleepy donkey</p>
<p>4) Singaporeans don&#8217;t need freedom of speech or basically human whatever rights we just want our problems to be settled by our government..and after more than 50 years of rule..I think they can read exactly how to keep majority submissive and satisfied. </p>
<p>smart master + well fed sleepy donkey = more hard work tomorrow for donkey</p>
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		<title>By: paul</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 15:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They have just announced that thanks to their poor performance in the only KPI that counts in the system they created - GDP, they will &quot;only get&quot; a three month bonus while the rest of the civil service gets a one month bonus. Then they have the cheek to call that a pay cut!!!

Wow!!! Amazing chutzpah!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They have just announced that thanks to their poor performance in the only KPI that counts in the system they created &#8211; GDP, they will &#8220;only get&#8221; a three month bonus while the rest of the civil service gets a one month bonus. Then they have the cheek to call that a pay cut!!!</p>
<p>Wow!!! Amazing chutzpah!!</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:46:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The people are already suffering like mad and these scoundrels are all in to rob the citizens big this time, knowing that their party is going to lose badly soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The people are already suffering like mad and these scoundrels are all in to rob the citizens big this time, knowing that their party is going to lose badly soon.</p>
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		<title>By: sunup</title>
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		<dc:creator>sunup</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 09:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Pupy ministers and mps tot that they are 1st class leaders and dreaming of pay hike, my foot if they are dumped and out of favourite by the old lee king he will be like the former minister who is now working for an Indon corp and getting less than 10% of what he was paid as a minister.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Pupy ministers and mps tot that they are 1st class leaders and dreaming of pay hike, my foot if they are dumped and out of favourite by the old lee king he will be like the former minister who is now working for an Indon corp and getting less than 10% of what he was paid as a minister.</p>
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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 24 Nov 2008</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/third-ministers%e2%80%99-pay-hike-in-two-years-%e2%80%93-staying-together-or-moving-ahead/comment-page-2/#comment-35435</link>
		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Daily SG: 24 Nov 2008</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 03:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Ministars, Get Rich r Die Tryin - TOC: Third ministers’ pay hike in two years – Staying together or moving ahead? - Feed Me To The Fish: Grandstanding or just sitting on their buttocks? - Everyday&#8217;s Life in [...]</description>
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		<title>By: nokia71</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/third-ministers%e2%80%99-pay-hike-in-two-years-%e2%80%93-staying-together-or-moving-ahead/comment-page-2/#comment-35336</link>
		<dc:creator>nokia71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 17:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singapore is really a yoke. Whole world know we pay millions &amp; millions to JOKERS who self-claim they are the 1st class leader, yet they lose BILLIONS to foreigners. 

3rd pay hike for minister? f*ck the hell PAP ... you really think you can do whatever you like? People are losing job and some even need to struggle for daily meals, yet you want PAY HIKES?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singapore is really a yoke. Whole world know we pay millions &amp; millions to JOKERS who self-claim they are the 1st class leader, yet they lose BILLIONS to foreigners. </p>
<p>3rd pay hike for minister? f*ck the hell PAP &#8230; you really think you can do whatever you like? People are losing job and some even need to struggle for daily meals, yet you want PAY HIKES?</p>
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		<title>By: Yuchengko</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/third-ministers%e2%80%99-pay-hike-in-two-years-%e2%80%93-staying-together-or-moving-ahead/comment-page-2/#comment-35260</link>
		<dc:creator>Yuchengko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 10:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Government and citizens of the world want CEO pay to be cut. 

Shouldn&#039;t ministerial pay pegged to private sector pay take a leaf from the lessons of the economic crisis?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Government and citizens of the world want CEO pay to be cut. </p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t ministerial pay pegged to private sector pay take a leaf from the lessons of the economic crisis?</p>
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		<title>By: ronin</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/third-ministers%e2%80%99-pay-hike-in-two-years-%e2%80%93-staying-together-or-moving-ahead/comment-page-2/#comment-35251</link>
		<dc:creator>ronin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 08:15:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This thing of paying our ministers top private sector salaries is simply crapshit. Most (if not all) our ministers would not even draw half of their present salaries if they were in the private sector AFTER we stripped them of all their political connections.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This thing of paying our ministers top private sector salaries is simply crapshit. Most (if not all) our ministers would not even draw half of their present salaries if they were in the private sector AFTER we stripped them of all their political connections.</p>
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		<title>By: interested</title>
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		<dc:creator>interested</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 07:05:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>u should allow them their par increase as this was planned in the past. whats happened now is just bad timing. dun begrudge your beloved ministers their increase. they are counting on it to pay their investments and mortgages etc......
sorry for the poor singaporeans who have to suffer. after all this is an elitist society and we have no sympathy or place for others............. :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>u should allow them their par increase as this was planned in the past. whats happened now is just bad timing. dun begrudge your beloved ministers their increase. they are counting on it to pay their investments and mortgages etc&#8230;&#8230;<br />
sorry for the poor singaporeans who have to suffer. after all this is an elitist society and we have no sympathy or place for others&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;. :P</p>
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		<title>By: Got Bully</title>
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		<dc:creator>Got Bully</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 21:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what can you expect from a one party rule ?  Spore at this phase must have at least 2 parties to do check and balance, ministers pay themselves so sky high now with taxpayer money  are a sin when yo see so many poor people are struggling to meet ends meet.  
Spore moving this way by a few self-interest leaders is sadly a sure  way to go down hill as a nation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what can you expect from a one party rule ?  Spore at this phase must have at least 2 parties to do check and balance, ministers pay themselves so sky high now with taxpayer money  are a sin when yo see so many poor people are struggling to meet ends meet.<br />
Spore moving this way by a few self-interest leaders is sadly a sure  way to go down hill as a nation.</p>
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		<title>By: Poh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 18:49:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>These blood suckers deserved high pay cos they need to spend all these money for future longer term hospitalisation fee. So i agreed with them that they need the next pay hike.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These blood suckers deserved high pay cos they need to spend all these money for future longer term hospitalisation fee. So i agreed with them that they need the next pay hike.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/third-ministers%e2%80%99-pay-hike-in-two-years-%e2%80%93-staying-together-or-moving-ahead/comment-page-2/#comment-35149</link>
		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 17:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>77) pumpkin on November 23rd, 2008 12.08 am We should ask our ministers to make yearly declaration of their wealth! Why is it not done here when such declaration of wealth is done in Thailand?

They can&#039;t and someone will not allow that to happen to protect himself from being investigated resulting in many more to surface later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>77) pumpkin on November 23rd, 2008 12.08 am We should ask our ministers to make yearly declaration of their wealth! Why is it not done here when such declaration of wealth is done in Thailand?</p>
<p>They can&#8217;t and someone will not allow that to happen to protect himself from being investigated resulting in many more to surface later.</p>
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		<title>By: pumpkin</title>
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		<dc:creator>pumpkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 16:08:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We should ask our ministers to make yearly declaration of their wealth! Why is it not done here when such declaration of wealth is done in Thailand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We should ask our ministers to make yearly declaration of their wealth! Why is it not done here when such declaration of wealth is done in Thailand?</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:33:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading so many comments here, I now understand WHY the garment needs so many MPs and still needing more to come, its not about work load nor about talents actually, they are recruited not to protect the country, they are here to protect the ruling party to cast votes for them, indeed a very clever move!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading so many comments here, I now understand WHY the garment needs so many MPs and still needing more to come, its not about work load nor about talents actually, they are recruited not to protect the country, they are here to protect the ruling party to cast votes for them, indeed a very clever move!</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 14:14:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>guys, like i said, appreciate them or they will disappear. you don&#039;t want your wifes to become maids, and you go clean toilets do you?

they will remind you again that their pay has nothing to do with the economy, whether they get 1 million or 10 million or not will not improve your lives, and that Singaporeans are just stupid and jealous because decreasing their pay or not will have no effect on anything, so why not just shut up, let them enjoy their pay and let them feel richer every month?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>guys, like i said, appreciate them or they will disappear. you don&#8217;t want your wifes to become maids, and you go clean toilets do you?</p>
<p>they will remind you again that their pay has nothing to do with the economy, whether they get 1 million or 10 million or not will not improve your lives, and that Singaporeans are just stupid and jealous because decreasing their pay or not will have no effect on anything, so why not just shut up, let them enjoy their pay and let them feel richer every month?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bloody #%@^, pay rise in Jan still not enough? Haven&#039;t sucked the people dry, have you?

Good times - raise pay
Doom times - pay remains constant

This is so similar to:
Oil price rise - increase transport / electricity
Oil price decrease - transport / electricity remains constant

Everyone do your part to decrease expenditure - since our voting rights aren&#039;t very existent anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bloody #%@^, pay rise in Jan still not enough? Haven&#8217;t sucked the people dry, have you?</p>
<p>Good times &#8211; raise pay<br />
Doom times &#8211; pay remains constant</p>
<p>This is so similar to:<br />
Oil price rise &#8211; increase transport / electricity<br />
Oil price decrease &#8211; transport / electricity remains constant</p>
<p>Everyone do your part to decrease expenditure &#8211; since our voting rights aren&#8217;t very existent anymore.</p>
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		<title>By: Enigmatic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Enigmatic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 13:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Telling one who does not know  what greed and shame are is like  performing piano recitals to cows  or akin to having ducklings listening to the roars of thunder- but then some breeds like to cow or quack about..............but,  at times, deafening quiet  when situation(s) calls  for.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Telling one who does not know  what greed and shame are is like  performing piano recitals to cows  or akin to having ducklings listening to the roars of thunder- but then some breeds like to cow or quack about&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..but,  at times, deafening quiet  when situation(s) calls  for.</p>
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