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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/toc-exclusive-interview-with-investor-who-lost-150000/comment-page-1/#comment-36911</link>
		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Nov 2008 01:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t believe that our gahment is sleeping. 

At least, a sleeping government may still have a conscience after they wake up.

I think all our sufferings are already factored in as collateral damage for Singapore&#039;s progress and PAP&#039;s continued longevity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t believe that our gahment is sleeping. </p>
<p>At least, a sleeping government may still have a conscience after they wake up.</p>
<p>I think all our sufferings are already factored in as collateral damage for Singapore&#8217;s progress and PAP&#8217;s continued longevity.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:59:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Jennifer,

With so many aggrieved investors crying for help, Sadly to say , MAS and our million dollar ministers still have not waken up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jennifer,</p>
<p>With so many aggrieved investors crying for help, Sadly to say , MAS and our million dollar ministers still have not waken up.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/toc-exclusive-interview-with-investor-who-lost-150000/comment-page-1/#comment-36846</link>
		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:35:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good reality stuff!  My heart goes out to people like him.  All hard-earned money gone!  :(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good reality stuff!  My heart goes out to people like him.  All hard-earned money gone!  :(</p>
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		<title>By: kuku</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/toc-exclusive-interview-with-investor-who-lost-150000/comment-page-1/#comment-36842</link>
		<dc:creator>kuku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 14:02:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>## 29 tankuku
If we don&#039;t trust the banks, who else can we trust???
Do we have a choice not to trust the banks? We cannot do without banks, and there is no way we don&#039;t deal with banks. There is also no other alternatives.

If we don&#039;t trust big org.,  if we refuse to sign according to their terms, then a lot of things cannot be done.
This will have profound implication in time to come!!!!!!!!!
There is a tacit understanding, we hv no choice but to trust you, so we shd be treated fairly. Now this is not the case. Now the tacit understanding is broken. It may hv serious implication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>## 29 tankuku<br />
If we don&#8217;t trust the banks, who else can we trust???<br />
Do we have a choice not to trust the banks? We cannot do without banks, and there is no way we don&#8217;t deal with banks. There is also no other alternatives.</p>
<p>If we don&#8217;t trust big org.,  if we refuse to sign according to their terms, then a lot of things cannot be done.<br />
This will have profound implication in time to come!!!!!!!!!<br />
There is a tacit understanding, we hv no choice but to trust you, so we shd be treated fairly. Now this is not the case. Now the tacit understanding is broken. It may hv serious implication.</p>
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		<title>By: minibombed</title>
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		<dc:creator>minibombed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:25:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#24

Not logical to compare those RMs with grocery store owners.
How about comparing them with pharmacists?
Just buy a $13 cough mixture from them, they will explain to you the effectiveness of it, AND ALSO ITS SIDE EFFECT(drowsiness, addictive, potential allergy etc etc). 
Most RMs are well educated, usually university graduates of financial/business studies. At any one time, the most they have is about ten financial products to promote.This is many many times less than the hundreds of products a pharmist needs to explain to customers. 
These RMs cannot claim that they themselves also don&#039;t understand the real dangers of these lehman products.
It is their responsibility to explain them honestly,thoroughly &amp; clearly to their customers, most of them unfamiliar with financial jargons. In dollar term, Mr. Ng&#039;s purchase is &gt;1000 times more than the cough mixture.Surely he deserved more care.
The RMs have only 2 reasons for not doing so. One is vested interests. The other is they themselves did not go through the prospectus thoroughly. That&#039;s why some of them also sold the products to themselves &amp; family members(害人害己）

To be fair, I do believe that not all RMs are unscrupulous. There must be some honest ones around.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#24</p>
<p>Not logical to compare those RMs with grocery store owners.<br />
How about comparing them with pharmacists?<br />
Just buy a $13 cough mixture from them, they will explain to you the effectiveness of it, AND ALSO ITS SIDE EFFECT(drowsiness, addictive, potential allergy etc etc).<br />
Most RMs are well educated, usually university graduates of financial/business studies. At any one time, the most they have is about ten financial products to promote.This is many many times less than the hundreds of products a pharmist needs to explain to customers.<br />
These RMs cannot claim that they themselves also don&#8217;t understand the real dangers of these lehman products.<br />
It is their responsibility to explain them honestly,thoroughly &amp; clearly to their customers, most of them unfamiliar with financial jargons. In dollar term, Mr. Ng&#8217;s purchase is &gt;1000 times more than the cough mixture.Surely he deserved more care.<br />
The RMs have only 2 reasons for not doing so. One is vested interests. The other is they themselves did not go through the prospectus thoroughly. That&#8217;s why some of them also sold the products to themselves &amp; family members(害人害己）</p>
<p>To be fair, I do believe that not all RMs are unscrupulous. There must be some honest ones around.</p>
<p>.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan Kuku</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan Kuku</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 05:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe what Mr Ng said but it is difficult to prove because he signed all official documents. As the old saying : do not signed any documents if you do not know what is being written.

Sad story: We have too much trust in our banking system so we tends to let down our guards - another lesson learned but it is a very expensive lesson for all of us.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe what Mr Ng said but it is difficult to prove because he signed all official documents. As the old saying : do not signed any documents if you do not know what is being written.</p>
<p>Sad story: We have too much trust in our banking system so we tends to let down our guards &#8211; another lesson learned but it is a very expensive lesson for all of us.</p>
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		<title>By: jennifer</title>
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		<dc:creator>jennifer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Ng did tell the truth.

I had the same experience with RMs of DBS bank. I was holding FDs with the bank of about 200,000. I am a 48 yr old housewife.

Basically the same stuff as Mr Ng&#039;s RM had said. No risk, high yield deposit. Better than my current FDs. This was stressed many many times.

The difference is, I did not change my mind despite her many phone calls and meetings. I did not like such hard selling techniques and I felt being pushed.

I think Mr Ng should continue to fight for his rights on some degree of compensation.

I felt that DBS bank should be penalised at least, for encouraging unprofessional conduct amongst its employees.

MAS should do something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Ng did tell the truth.</p>
<p>I had the same experience with RMs of DBS bank. I was holding FDs with the bank of about 200,000. I am a 48 yr old housewife.</p>
<p>Basically the same stuff as Mr Ng&#8217;s RM had said. No risk, high yield deposit. Better than my current FDs. This was stressed many many times.</p>
<p>The difference is, I did not change my mind despite her many phone calls and meetings. I did not like such hard selling techniques and I felt being pushed.</p>
<p>I think Mr Ng should continue to fight for his rights on some degree of compensation.</p>
<p>I felt that DBS bank should be penalised at least, for encouraging unprofessional conduct amongst its employees.</p>
<p>MAS should do something.</p>
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		<title>By: Sadman</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/toc-exclusive-interview-with-investor-who-lost-150000/comment-page-1/#comment-36692</link>
		<dc:creator>Sadman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 03:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi jefi0901,

You are right and most of the public know that. But our world class leaders act blurr and reluctant to investigate.  What can we do?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi jefi0901,</p>
<p>You are right and most of the public know that. But our world class leaders act blurr and reluctant to investigate.  What can we do?</p>
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		<title>By: sarek_home</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarek_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;22) wildhoney on November 29th, 2008 12.00 am

He was rejected because there is no concrete evidence that his story of how he was sold the product is true.&lt;/b&gt;

Is this the same fate of others who lost money to minibond?  Heard many rejected cases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>22) wildhoney on November 29th, 2008 12.00 am</p>
<p>He was rejected because there is no concrete evidence that his story of how he was sold the product is true.</b></p>
<p>Is this the same fate of others who lost money to minibond?  Heard many rejected cases.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/toc-exclusive-interview-with-investor-who-lost-150000/comment-page-1/#comment-36666</link>
		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:10:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

江湖险恶。。。

aiyoyo

next time must really open eyes big big when visit financial places

(better to bring along magnify glass)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>江湖险恶。。。</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>next time must really open eyes big big when visit financial places</p>
<p>(better to bring along magnify glass)</p>
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		<title>By: jefj0901</title>
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		<dc:creator>jefj0901</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 20:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those RMs also thought nothing will happen, they were informed that these products are very safe. I don&#039;t think these RMs are the threat. Like a salesperson, they just sell..if you want to buy, then it&#039;s your choice. Like the china milk scandal, the groceries store owner cannot be blame, but the rat is hiding further up the hierarchy..

Spare a thought,will ya?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those RMs also thought nothing will happen, they were informed that these products are very safe. I don&#8217;t think these RMs are the threat. Like a salesperson, they just sell..if you want to buy, then it&#8217;s your choice. Like the china milk scandal, the groceries store owner cannot be blame, but the rat is hiding further up the hierarchy..</p>
<p>Spare a thought,will ya?</p>
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		<title>By: minibombed</title>
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		<dc:creator>minibombed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A family oriented man cheated by a reputable bank
Like most lehman &quot;investors&quot;, Mr. Ng was hoodwinked into buying a toxic financial product masqueraded as a  fixed deposit.

These lehman things is a scam. The propectus is written in such a way making most victims(including the experts from town coucils) unable to detect its traps.

Don&#039;t expect those unscrupulous RM to give you an honest explaination.
The more trusting and naive you are,  they will be more prosperous.
Lions don&#039;t warn their preys they are ambushing on.

Mr. Ng, 祝您好运 !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A family oriented man cheated by a reputable bank<br />
Like most lehman &#8220;investors&#8221;, Mr. Ng was hoodwinked into buying a toxic financial product masqueraded as a  fixed deposit.</p>
<p>These lehman things is a scam. The propectus is written in such a way making most victims(including the experts from town coucils) unable to detect its traps.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t expect those unscrupulous RM to give you an honest explaination.<br />
The more trusting and naive you are,  they will be more prosperous.<br />
Lions don&#8217;t warn their preys they are ambushing on.</p>
<p>Mr. Ng, 祝您好运 !</p>
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		<title>By: wildhoney</title>
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		<dc:creator>wildhoney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>He was rejected because there is no concrete evidence that his story of how he was sold the product is true. It is just his words against the RM&#039;s. The RM prob covered his ass by filling up the wealth planner nicely.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He was rejected because there is no concrete evidence that his story of how he was sold the product is true. It is just his words against the RM&#8217;s. The RM prob covered his ass by filling up the wealth planner nicely.</p>
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		<title>By: limpo</title>
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		<dc:creator>limpo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:55:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>wat to do ... DBS is owned by Temasek under ministry of finance

sue DBS is as good as suing MOF ... thats y they know that nobody dare to do so thus they can force it down these small individuals throats

we have put too much trusts on the government which hurts us back in many ways</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>wat to do &#8230; DBS is owned by Temasek under ministry of finance</p>
<p>sue DBS is as good as suing MOF &#8230; thats y they know that nobody dare to do so thus they can force it down these small individuals throats</p>
<p>we have put too much trusts on the government which hurts us back in many ways</p>
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		<title>By: Cancer</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cancer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 13:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Ng sounds like he is in his late 50s and I presume he does not speak english as he converse in mandarin.  The cruel bank conveniently rejected his claim as they do not classify him under the vulnerable group.  This is so unfair and I wonder whether conscience and guiltiness has caught up with the RM. Shame on him/her!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Ng sounds like he is in his late 50s and I presume he does not speak english as he converse in mandarin.  The cruel bank conveniently rejected his claim as they do not classify him under the vulnerable group.  This is so unfair and I wonder whether conscience and guiltiness has caught up with the RM. Shame on him/her!</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:44:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

after see Mr Ng case,

worry for old folks also,

wait RMs dont want young people,

instead go for old folks...

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>after see Mr Ng case,</p>
<p>worry for old folks also,</p>
<p>wait RMs dont want young people,</p>
<p>instead go for old folks&#8230;</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: smallvice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:29:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think Mr Ng has a strong case for 100% compensation and he was rejected by his bank because of so!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Mr Ng has a strong case for 100% compensation and he was rejected by his bank because of so!</p>
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		<title>By: 3rd Class sinkees</title>
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		<dc:creator>3rd Class sinkees</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:04:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&gt;&gt;next time go banks need to siam the RMs???

Why...scared they&#039;ll stalk you home  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&gt;&gt;next time go banks need to siam the RMs???</p>
<p>Why&#8230;scared they&#8217;ll stalk you home  :)</p>
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		<title>By: smallvice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 11:04:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;sorry but is he staying in a landed property? 150k in the bank? and he is mis-represented? quite hard to sell here.&lt;/i&gt; - me (#9)

I don&#039;t think Mr Ng is living in a landed property. The premise most probably belonged to one of the media crew members.  At 2:03min, Mr Ng said that the S$150,000 lost is originally meant to cover to loan for his own HDB flat. In another words, Mr Ng is living in a HDB.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>sorry but is he staying in a landed property? 150k in the bank? and he is mis-represented? quite hard to sell here.</i> &#8211; me (#9)</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think Mr Ng is living in a landed property. The premise most probably belonged to one of the media crew members.  At 2:03min, Mr Ng said that the S$150,000 lost is originally meant to cover to loan for his own HDB flat. In another words, Mr Ng is living in a HDB.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Nov 2008 10:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

next time go banks

need to siam the RMs???

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>next time go banks</p>
<p>need to siam the RMs???</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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