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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/town-councils-investments-a-brief-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-36348</link>
		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Nov 2008 13:59:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

TC so $$$,

wa we still need pay $ monthly,

aiyoyo times are tough.</description>
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<p>TC so $$$,</p>
<p>wa we still need pay $ monthly,</p>
<p>aiyoyo times are tough.</p>
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		<title>By: Sur Plus</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/town-councils-investments-a-brief-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-35564</link>
		<dc:creator>Sur Plus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 11:57:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have ever managed any estate or even a building, you will realise that a surplus is essential.  There are occasional, huge expenses, which even sinking fund contributions will not cover.  For example, one bldg with 4 lifts that I know about has just been told that the 4 lift motors will have to be replaced.  The bill is estimated at 250k.  If the mgmt did not ensure that there was steady accumulation over the years of mgmt fund contributions over operating expenses, the entire building would have to stomach a huge sudden contribution.  yes, there are problems when people buy+sell (if you buy into a bldg with a good fund, you get a windfall, and if you sell you don&#039;t get your &quot;money back&quot;) but the reality is that such payments are into a common fund, for the collective use as and when needed, but until such time as the funds are needed, a good prudent (and moderately conservative) investment strategy is necessary.  Whether or not these investments were prudent or not is hard to say as we now have the great 20/20 vision of hindsight.  Any diversified portfolio includes some safe and some less-safe investments.  The key indicators to watch out for are whether or not the entire portfolio is balanced and provides credible returns.  Again, I do not know whether these portfolios were, although I must say the heavy investment into Creative is a bit bizzare...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have ever managed any estate or even a building, you will realise that a surplus is essential.  There are occasional, huge expenses, which even sinking fund contributions will not cover.  For example, one bldg with 4 lifts that I know about has just been told that the 4 lift motors will have to be replaced.  The bill is estimated at 250k.  If the mgmt did not ensure that there was steady accumulation over the years of mgmt fund contributions over operating expenses, the entire building would have to stomach a huge sudden contribution.  yes, there are problems when people buy+sell (if you buy into a bldg with a good fund, you get a windfall, and if you sell you don&#8217;t get your &#8220;money back&#8221;) but the reality is that such payments are into a common fund, for the collective use as and when needed, but until such time as the funds are needed, a good prudent (and moderately conservative) investment strategy is necessary.  Whether or not these investments were prudent or not is hard to say as we now have the great 20/20 vision of hindsight.  Any diversified portfolio includes some safe and some less-safe investments.  The key indicators to watch out for are whether or not the entire portfolio is balanced and provides credible returns.  Again, I do not know whether these portfolios were, although I must say the heavy investment into Creative is a bit bizzare&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: soojenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>soojenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 07:06:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As KS wrote: &quot;The opposition parties are missing a golden opportunity to press the government on accountability and what do they do? Nothing.&quot;

WP writes on its website with its top 2 benefit of supporting Singaporeans?. They are also expecting Singaporeans to support them because:
&quot;If you and other Singaporeans support Workers&#039; Party, ordinary Singaporeans will have a greater say in the way our lives are governed.Singapore belongs to all of us. It is our home. Political parties exist to serve you. The Workers&#039; Party of Singapore wants to serve the people and to ensure that the People&#039;s Action Party does not forget their responsibility to serve you. Here is how you will benefit when you support Workers&#039; Party: i) You will have a voice inside and outside Parliament: Workers&#039; Party puts pressure on the government to respond to your needs and opinions. The government needs to listen to the people. We make sure you are heard.(ii) The government will be more accountable to you:Workers&#039; Party is an independent body that checks the government. The government must live up to its responsibilities and promises. We hold the government accountable to you and ensure good governance.&quot;

With the issues of the minibond at the top of their minds for a lot Singaporeans affected by this, where is Low Thia Kiang and Sylvia Lim? Hibernating. LTK gave a parlimentary speech on Employment Act on Nov 18, 2009? Not a word raised on the minibond issue, or the questioning of the accountability of the town councils also involved inthis fiasco.Ms Sylvia Lim is in the meantime doing guest lecture at the NUS Law School back in April 2008.  Where is she now? No opinion on this issue? So what has WP done &quot;to serve the people and to ensure that the People&#039;s Action Party does not forget their responsibility to serve you.&quot; and that we are heard? What has WP done &quot;to check the government and hold the government accountable to you and ensure good governance.&quot;  Both these key members of WP, who have access to parliment no other have, and yet are pathetic in how they are serving Singaporeans as oppositions. Even the PAP has taken a liking to LTK and praise him for behaving well - like a docile pet?

The SDP has at the least Chia Ti Lik who is addressing this issue.  However, since they have no access in parliment, these issues cannot be raised. There is also nothing, not a word from Chiam See Tong of the NSP?

Where are all the opposition when there is a need to speak on issues for Singaporeans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As KS wrote: &#8220;The opposition parties are missing a golden opportunity to press the government on accountability and what do they do? Nothing.&#8221;</p>
<p>WP writes on its website with its top 2 benefit of supporting Singaporeans?. They are also expecting Singaporeans to support them because:<br />
&#8220;If you and other Singaporeans support Workers&#8217; Party, ordinary Singaporeans will have a greater say in the way our lives are governed.Singapore belongs to all of us. It is our home. Political parties exist to serve you. The Workers&#8217; Party of Singapore wants to serve the people and to ensure that the People&#8217;s Action Party does not forget their responsibility to serve you. Here is how you will benefit when you support Workers&#8217; Party: i) You will have a voice inside and outside Parliament: Workers&#8217; Party puts pressure on the government to respond to your needs and opinions. The government needs to listen to the people. We make sure you are heard.(ii) The government will be more accountable to you:Workers&#8217; Party is an independent body that checks the government. The government must live up to its responsibilities and promises. We hold the government accountable to you and ensure good governance.&#8221;</p>
<p>With the issues of the minibond at the top of their minds for a lot Singaporeans affected by this, where is Low Thia Kiang and Sylvia Lim? Hibernating. LTK gave a parlimentary speech on Employment Act on Nov 18, 2009? Not a word raised on the minibond issue, or the questioning of the accountability of the town councils also involved inthis fiasco.Ms Sylvia Lim is in the meantime doing guest lecture at the NUS Law School back in April 2008.  Where is she now? No opinion on this issue? So what has WP done &#8220;to serve the people and to ensure that the People&#8217;s Action Party does not forget their responsibility to serve you.&#8221; and that we are heard? What has WP done &#8220;to check the government and hold the government accountable to you and ensure good governance.&#8221;  Both these key members of WP, who have access to parliment no other have, and yet are pathetic in how they are serving Singaporeans as oppositions. Even the PAP has taken a liking to LTK and praise him for behaving well &#8211; like a docile pet?</p>
<p>The SDP has at the least Chia Ti Lik who is addressing this issue.  However, since they have no access in parliment, these issues cannot be raised. There is also nothing, not a word from Chiam See Tong of the NSP?</p>
<p>Where are all the opposition when there is a need to speak on issues for Singaporeans.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Nov 2008 00:43:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>24) sarek_home 

Thanks, but what I actually meant was &#039;for losses incurred by the outgoing incumbent&#039;, not debt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>24) sarek_home </p>
<p>Thanks, but what I actually meant was &#8216;for losses incurred by the outgoing incumbent&#8217;, not debt.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 19:23:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did anyone forget 
&quot;Unveiling a 10-year plan called “A better Hougang, A better life”, Mr Eric Low, the PAP candidate for Hougang, said yesterday that the Housing and Development Board (HDB) will approve a $100 million estate redevelopment plan for Hougang should he win the seat. 

Mr Low, 57, said he had first brought up the 10-year plan to Mr Goh, who has been given the task to help him win the ward from WP chief Low Thia Khiang. Mr Goh then advised him to show the plan to National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan.&quot;

 if $100 millions of those money can help in upgrading Hougang rather than lost in poor investments.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did anyone forget<br />
&#8220;Unveiling a 10-year plan called “A better Hougang, A better life”, Mr Eric Low, the PAP candidate for Hougang, said yesterday that the Housing and Development Board (HDB) will approve a $100 million estate redevelopment plan for Hougang should he win the seat. </p>
<p>Mr Low, 57, said he had first brought up the 10-year plan to Mr Goh, who has been given the task to help him win the ward from WP chief Low Thia Khiang. Mr Goh then advised him to show the plan to National Development Minister Mah Bow Tan.&#8221;</p>
<p> if $100 millions of those money can help in upgrading Hougang rather than lost in poor investments.</p>
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		<title>By: laserpointer</title>
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		<dc:creator>laserpointer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 18:58:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that few millions could probably build many lifts, make many free meals, build lots of shelters, given out as aid for transport hikes etc.

Don&#039;t even bother explaining why the losses occured, it should never have been used at all, in any form or other, than to improve the well being of residents. 

This isn&#039;t just a mistake, it&#039;s a lack of any form of control that has allowed rampant misuse of funds without any form of reasoning whatsoever. Even if it was borned out of good intentions to absorb escalating costs, which i doubted, it should never have been thrown into investments without any form of agreement from the people who gave the money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that few millions could probably build many lifts, make many free meals, build lots of shelters, given out as aid for transport hikes etc.</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t even bother explaining why the losses occured, it should never have been used at all, in any form or other, than to improve the well being of residents. </p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t just a mistake, it&#8217;s a lack of any form of control that has allowed rampant misuse of funds without any form of reasoning whatsoever. Even if it was borned out of good intentions to absorb escalating costs, which i doubted, it should never have been thrown into investments without any form of agreement from the people who gave the money.</p>
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		<title>By: GoodSingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>GoodSingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cummo!!! MPs is not the matter how much the TCs had lost or what % compare to the reservse is lost in the investment!!! The question is why $ from the ppl paying SC&amp;Cs suppose to be for maintain their estate are used for investment in the 1st place!!! Why the garman allow this thing to happen!!!

Another question here is so many ppl in TOC have so many questions about this issue, and why there are no MPs be it PAP or Opposition has no question about this issue!!! 

Can anybody ans me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cummo!!! MPs is not the matter how much the TCs had lost or what % compare to the reservse is lost in the investment!!! The question is why $ from the ppl paying SC&amp;Cs suppose to be for maintain their estate are used for investment in the 1st place!!! Why the garman allow this thing to happen!!!</p>
<p>Another question here is so many ppl in TOC have so many questions about this issue, and why there are no MPs be it PAP or Opposition has no question about this issue!!! </p>
<p>Can anybody ans me?</p>
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		<title>By: logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:28:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 26 YODI &quot;Our PM says that singapore is better with just one party running the country&quot;

For once, I agree with our esteemed PM. Furthermore, I think that party need not be PAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 26 YODI &#8220;Our PM says that singapore is better with just one party running the country&#8221;</p>
<p>For once, I agree with our esteemed PM. Furthermore, I think that party need not be PAP.</p>
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		<title>By: logicalman</title>
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		<dc:creator>logicalman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 16:16:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No. 14) tiredsingaporean 
The funny thing here is that they allow TCs to charge higher so they can have more saving kept aside for them to gamble? On the other hand, those who cannot or unable to pay up their SC&amp;C for some months would be charge in court? I really don’t get it, it doesn’t make sense at all????

They don&#039;t make sense most of the time: 

1. Mee Siam mai hum?
2. The confounding and highly mysterious Mas Selamat drama &amp; the equally perplexing findings from the COI. 
3. The explanation for electricity tariff increase.
4. The prosecution of kangaroo trio by the court - what a productive use of time &amp; resources
5. The use of pictures of Korean beggars for our school text books - no beggars in Singapore, or just taking a swipe at a competitor who&#039;s faring much better, despite allowing her citizens to protest with sweat &amp; blood?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No. 14) tiredsingaporean<br />
The funny thing here is that they allow TCs to charge higher so they can have more saving kept aside for them to gamble? On the other hand, those who cannot or unable to pay up their SC&amp;C for some months would be charge in court? I really don’t get it, it doesn’t make sense at all????</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t make sense most of the time: </p>
<p>1. Mee Siam mai hum?<br />
2. The confounding and highly mysterious Mas Selamat drama &amp; the equally perplexing findings from the COI.<br />
3. The explanation for electricity tariff increase.<br />
4. The prosecution of kangaroo trio by the court &#8211; what a productive use of time &amp; resources<br />
5. The use of pictures of Korean beggars for our school text books &#8211; no beggars in Singapore, or just taking a swipe at a competitor who&#8217;s faring much better, despite allowing her citizens to protest with sweat &amp; blood?</p>
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		<title>By: mad</title>
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		<dc:creator>mad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:50:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>town council&#039;s job is to maintain the estates with the money collected, and NOT do risky investments!

if there&#039;s a lot of surplus money, then make it benefit the residents by stop collecting conservancy charges!

remember, you job is to serve the residents, not keep on burdening the residents and collecting extra money and use it for investment for your own benefit!

can this be considered misuse of money?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>town council&#8217;s job is to maintain the estates with the money collected, and NOT do risky investments!</p>
<p>if there&#8217;s a lot of surplus money, then make it benefit the residents by stop collecting conservancy charges!</p>
<p>remember, you job is to serve the residents, not keep on burdening the residents and collecting extra money and use it for investment for your own benefit!</p>
<p>can this be considered misuse of money?</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:36:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>28) Joseph on November 18th, 2008 11.27 pm Wonder PUB, HDB etc have how much reserve

I think TOC should dig out more this time with HDB, I believe with the sky high pricing of HDB flats, HDB should have no problem and could easily pile up billions, who knows what shocking thing would start to surface later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>28) Joseph on November 18th, 2008 11.27 pm Wonder PUB, HDB etc have how much reserve</p>
<p>I think TOC should dig out more this time with HDB, I believe with the sky high pricing of HDB flats, HDB should have no problem and could easily pile up billions, who knows what shocking thing would start to surface later.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:27:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Wonder PUB, HDB etc have how much reserve....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wonder PUB, HDB etc have how much reserve&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: HaiGong</title>
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		<dc:creator>HaiGong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 15:20:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>goodness. TCs have $ 5B. why need so much in reserve???? need Mr Ee to go and clean up the place and distribute back to the residents.

Tks TKL, without him taking the lead , we investors just do not know how to react. The products sold to us are all a con job. Unfortunately,all the people we voted did not even support us when we are in deep shit, instead they add more shit. too bad, they have lost the ground</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>goodness. TCs have $ 5B. why need so much in reserve???? need Mr Ee to go and clean up the place and distribute back to the residents.</p>
<p>Tks TKL, without him taking the lead , we investors just do not know how to react. The products sold to us are all a con job. Unfortunately,all the people we voted did not even support us when we are in deep shit, instead they add more shit. too bad, they have lost the ground</p>
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		<title>By: YODI</title>
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		<dc:creator>YODI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 14:50:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So much money each town council has, Are there any balances and checks. How much are the pay of all those who are involved in the running of the town councils.

Let there not be another NKF debacle in the horizon. What the future holds for all town councils is left to be seen. Singaporeans are not what we used to be. We dont keep silent anymore.

Our PM says that singapore is better with just one party running the country. Well it looks like there will come a day when he will have to eat his own words when the sole party thinks that just because its the government it can do anything it likes. Town councils thinking that they are part of this government and have the right to do what they like with the peoples money!

And so a sorry will suffice or so they think. Its one of those things no big deal. Lets move on. But let me tell them that this will not be suffice. You can just go around doing what you like. Time for accountability. Someone has got to be responsible and answerable.

Like OBAMA in America. Its TIME FOR CHANGE. Even in the town councils. The sooner the better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So much money each town council has, Are there any balances and checks. How much are the pay of all those who are involved in the running of the town councils.</p>
<p>Let there not be another NKF debacle in the horizon. What the future holds for all town councils is left to be seen. Singaporeans are not what we used to be. We dont keep silent anymore.</p>
<p>Our PM says that singapore is better with just one party running the country. Well it looks like there will come a day when he will have to eat his own words when the sole party thinks that just because its the government it can do anything it likes. Town councils thinking that they are part of this government and have the right to do what they like with the peoples money!</p>
<p>And so a sorry will suffice or so they think. Its one of those things no big deal. Lets move on. But let me tell them that this will not be suffice. You can just go around doing what you like. Time for accountability. Someone has got to be responsible and answerable.</p>
<p>Like OBAMA in America. Its TIME FOR CHANGE. Even in the town councils. The sooner the better.</p>
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		<title>By: KS</title>
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		<dc:creator>KS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 10:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For all that we rant and rave about here over this issue, the end result will still be:

&quot;It was an honest mistake, let&#039;s move on&quot;.

The opposition parties are missing a golden opportunity to press the government on accountability and what do they do?  Nothing.

Please, those of you in the opposition parties, don&#039;t squander this one great chance to show Singaporeans your worth.  The Lehman minibond and Morgan Stanley Pinnacle notes issue is one that is worth fighting for.  MAS has failed miserably on regulation here.   For goodness sakes, take a stand here and act on this issue.  

I commend Tan Kin Lian for what he is doing.  I wasn&#039;t so sure in the begining but I see what he is doing and thank him for that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For all that we rant and rave about here over this issue, the end result will still be:</p>
<p>&#8220;It was an honest mistake, let&#8217;s move on&#8221;.</p>
<p>The opposition parties are missing a golden opportunity to press the government on accountability and what do they do?  Nothing.</p>
<p>Please, those of you in the opposition parties, don&#8217;t squander this one great chance to show Singaporeans your worth.  The Lehman minibond and Morgan Stanley Pinnacle notes issue is one that is worth fighting for.  MAS has failed miserably on regulation here.   For goodness sakes, take a stand here and act on this issue.  </p>
<p>I commend Tan Kin Lian for what he is doing.  I wasn&#8217;t so sure in the begining but I see what he is doing and thank him for that.</p>
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		<title>By: sarek_home</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/town-councils-investments-a-brief-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-33840</link>
		<dc:creator>sarek_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 09:23:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>21) gemami on November 18th, 2008 4.35 pm 

You can check the &quot;Town Council Act&quot;, when different party takes out the town council, all surplus fund from the previous management is transferred to Sinking Fund.

Current regulation means the town council may lose the total investment amount but there should never be a debt situation.

If you think there is a possible debt situation, please explain how it may happen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>21) gemami on November 18th, 2008 4.35 pm </p>
<p>You can check the &#8220;Town Council Act&#8221;, when different party takes out the town council, all surplus fund from the previous management is transferred to Sinking Fund.</p>
<p>Current regulation means the town council may lose the total investment amount but there should never be a debt situation.</p>
<p>If you think there is a possible debt situation, please explain how it may happen.</p>
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		<title>By: Observer (SG-HK)</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/town-councils-investments-a-brief-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-33830</link>
		<dc:creator>Observer (SG-HK)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:59:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Gilbert,

You can see the Annual Report (Financial Statemetnt) with two year comparsion of most town councils website for sure. But obviously no break downs. There is a summary row call investments and funds with fund manager. Perhaps in those number lies a piece of the fail investment (of course on paper it is not liquidated). Here is one exampl you can get in. http://www.aljuniedgrc.sg/images/publication/annualreport04-05.pdf


My question is not so much of what has been invested, my question to the authority what were their original intent when it was created. Aren&#039;t there plentiful of investment entities that were linked to government. Aren&#039;t TCs supposed to be just TCs?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Gilbert,</p>
<p>You can see the Annual Report (Financial Statemetnt) with two year comparsion of most town councils website for sure. But obviously no break downs. There is a summary row call investments and funds with fund manager. Perhaps in those number lies a piece of the fail investment (of course on paper it is not liquidated). Here is one exampl you can get in. <a href="http://www.aljuniedgrc.sg/images/publication/annualreport04-05.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.aljuniedgrc.sg/images/publication/annualreport04-05.pdf</a></p>
<p>My question is not so much of what has been invested, my question to the authority what were their original intent when it was created. Aren&#8217;t there plentiful of investment entities that were linked to government. Aren&#8217;t TCs supposed to be just TCs?</p>
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		<title>By: Gilbert Goh Keow Wah</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/town-councils-investments-a-brief-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-33829</link>
		<dc:creator>Gilbert Goh Keow Wah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:44:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If i go to the town council and demand to see their books, will they allow me? Anyone can advise?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If i go to the town council and demand to see their books, will they allow me? Anyone can advise?</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/town-councils-investments-a-brief-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-33824</link>
		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can anyone enlighten me whether these investments are transferable?
What if an opposition wins over the GRC and takes charge of the town council only to discover that he is left with such a debt, what will happen then?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can anyone enlighten me whether these investments are transferable?<br />
What if an opposition wins over the GRC and takes charge of the town council only to discover that he is left with such a debt, what will happen then?</p>
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		<title>By: I speak my mind</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/11/town-councils-investments-a-brief-summary/comment-page-1/#comment-33820</link>
		<dc:creator>I speak my mind</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Nov 2008 08:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>UNIQUELY SINGAPORE INDEED!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UNIQUELY SINGAPORE INDEED!</p>
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