Two opinions on Tan Kin Lian petition
Tuesday, 25 November 2008, 1:09 am | 2,804 views
Guest writer P N Balji and TOC’s Choo Zheng Xi offer two contrasting perspectives on the strategy behind Mr Tan Kin Lian’s announcement that he is willing to stand for elections if he can gather 100,000 signatures.
Just run, Mr Tan
P N Balji / Guest Writer
There are at least two simple and unwritten rules for those wanting to enter politics, especially Singapore politics.
Never reveal your cards so early in the game. Never use buts and ifs.
CEO-turned-consumer activist Mr Tan Kin Lian has broken both rules. The presidential and parliamentary elections are some way away, unless the government springs a surprise on us. For Mr Tan to talk openly about thinking of throwing his hat in the election ring when both elections are not due soon is strange, to say the least.
Unless his plan is to test the waters.
Testing the waters, hmmm… that’s the other intriguing issue. Why say you want 100,000 signatures of support before making up your mind on taking the plunge? And why say it could either be a shot at Parliament or the presidency.
You go into politics to try and right a wrong. Mr Tan did identify the wrong: the widening income gap and high ministerial salaries, both good causes to champion, especially during the hustle and bustle of elections.
You also go into politics for ideological reasons. In this case, Mr Tan feels the PAP, of which he was a member for the last 30 years, has taken an ideological turn for the worse.
“When I joined the party, it was the party of the people. It carried out many remarkable projects, such as building HDB flats, and created a transparent economy. But as the years go by, I think the party has lost touch with the ground,” he said pointedly in an interview with The Sunday Times.
Mr Tan has given good enough reasons to go for it and the 100,000 signatures are really unnecessary.
On whether it should be for Parliament or the presidency, I thought the decision was simple to make.
The only squeak of a chance of success he has in a parliamenary elections is in a single constituency. Since he has said he will fight as an independent candidate, he is very likely to split the votes in a single constituency since that is a prize the opposition parties will want to aim for. The nine single seats in the last three elections were all contested.
So the presidential elections are Mr Tan’s best bet.
Unless the government throws a spanner in the works and puts up Senior Minister Goh Chok Tong, as the presidential candidate. Their relationship goes back to 1977 when Mr Goh chose the former NTUC Income CEO to test-bed the setting up of block committees, which eventually morphed into residents’ committees.
What can he throw at Mr Goh or at the elected presidency that will create a swing in his favour?
I can think of only one weapon: The need for an independent voice to keep the government on its toes. That tactic might just work for a citizenry that wants a President with no links with officialdom but at the same time a PAP government to deliver the economic dough.
By the way, there is another that can make him change his mind: A call to say “stay away.” In his august years, Mr Tan has only his credibility and reputation to guard.
Whether it is candidate Goh or the “stay away” call, the hope is that Mr Tan will stay true to his cause.
Go for the presidency, Mr Tan. No need for signatures, no need to mull over which elections to fight.
*Picture taken from Straits Times.
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A strong political gambit
Choo Zheng Xi / Editor-in-Chief
“There is a tide in the affairs of men /When taken at the flood, leads on to fortune,” said Shakespeare’s honorable Brutus. Mr Tan Kin Lian, the ex CEO of NTUC Income, has taken this to heart and hoisted his electoral sail, announcing that he will run for elections if he gathers the support of 100,000 signatures.
Wait, elections? What elections?
The current term of Parliament expires in 2012, and presidential elections are not due until 2011. While there has been some speculation about a snap election next year after the Budget is passed, that is still very far from being a foregone conclusion.
This has led to some saying that Mr Tan has made a false start off the block. However, when put into perspective, there is much to gain from his head start, and surprisingly little to lose.
Timing
In politics, timing is everything. On this count, it is Mr Tan-1, Establishment-0. If his announcement had come closer to either election period, it would have to compete with a slew of other election related news.
In terms of relative newsworthiness, an off-peak declaration of interest is far more surprising than someone throwing his hat in the ring during election season.
That Mr Tan’s first goal saw nothing but net is evident by the front-page news splash. Mr Tan’s smiling face looks out at 2 million subscribers of the Sunday Times, above a story about Minister for National Development Mr Mah Bow Tan (too bad, no picture).
The early announcement also neutralizes a familiar arrow in the People’s Action Party (PAP) quiver: that their opponent is a ‘Johnny-come-lately’ politician, making an appearance a few weeks before nomination day. Now, even if a snap election is called in the first half of next year, there is a good 3-9 month window for him to gather support.
Which leads to the next question that must be on the minds of doubters: what is the point of asking for 100,000 signatures? Why not formally throw your hat into the ring?
Mr Tan, being an experienced investor, might be drawing some lessons from his financial background. Always have an exit strategy. In the event that he falls far short of 100,000, he can always withdraw before facing the brickbats of an actual campaign. If it is a respectable number a strong case can still be made for him continuing.
Organization
While keeping the option of an honorable withdrawal on the table, the petition allows him to prepare for a possible election campaign without actually having to campaign.
Already, Mr Tan has a link on his website for potential volunteer petition gatherers. Leveraging the organizational experience he gathered turning NTUC Income into Singapore’s largest insurance company, 100,000 isn’t a pie in the sky number.
And if he does reach this number, his petition machinery can nimbly be converted into campaign machinery after passing its baptism of fire.
Flexible options
The early announcement and petition drive also gives Mr Tan the benefit of gauging which race to enter. It is apt to note that the petition is left intentionally vague: to request Mr Tan to run either for Parliament or the presidency. Very different political calculations will go into either.
A presidential bid will mean being put to a threshold test by the “three wise men” of the Presidential Elections Committee (PEC). Mr Tan should easily pass the requirement under Article 19(2)(g) of the Constitution which requires a candidate to have been the CEO of a company with a paid up capital of at least $100 million.
However, under Article 19(2)(e), a candidate has to pass a highly subjective threshold. He has to satisfy the PEC that he is a ‘person of integrity, good character and reputation’.
These are early days and the knives have not been drawn: as many have pointed out, the PAP’s penchant for character assassination is brutally effective. A concerted negative media bombardment might be enough to cast doubt in the PEC’s minds about his suitability to stand.
If signs of this were to materialize, Mr Tan will be able to change gears quickly. If a green light from the “three wise men” looks doubtful, a direct appeal to the wisdom of the electorate might be the path he takes.
In a General Election, the PAP’s “shock and awe” tactics might just backfire against them.
In the 1991 General Elections, Mr Jufrie Mahmood’s Worker’s Party (WP) team in Eunos Group Representative Constituency (GRC) won 47% of the votes despite the PAP’s attempts to characterize him as a Malay chauvinist. In the 1997 General Elections, Tang Liang Hong’s team won 45% of the vote in Cheng San GRC despite being cast as a Chinese chauvinist. James Gomez too came under the PAP’s fire in the 2006 GE. He was called “liar” and “cheat” by the PAP, among other not-so-nice adjectives for the infamous minority form debacle. His WP Aljunied team eventually received a respectable 44 per cent of the votes, nonetheless.
Given Mr Tan’s track record in NTUC Income and his earnest demeanor, making him a lightning rod for criticism could well translate into lost votes.
While he has indicated he is willing to stand as an independent, he has notably not closed off the option of running on an opposition party platform.
Anyone hoping to run against the PAP starts with being dealt a poor hand: there is never a good time to enter politics against them. Mr Tan has played his opening boldly and without fumbling. It remains to be seen if he can keep the momentum going without being forced to fold.
To sign and to help get signatures for the petition, please visit Tan Kin Lian’s blog.
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“Mr Tan has given good enough reasons to go for it and the 100,000 signatures are really unnecessary.” – good enough reasons are apparently NOT sufficient in the Singapore context. Being able to have a gauge support is useful. If not, why persue?
Well let’s see if he can keep up the steam and now die halfway..
#1,
it’s up to us as well, to keep his steam going
Both you pontificating commentators,
Ever tot he needs 100,000 signatories to persuade Mrs Tan to allow him to stand for election, any election?
As to advice on strategy and tactics, ever tot he has forgotten more abt these [---deleted---]?
Forget abt his 30 yrs as CEO of Income. More importantly he passed acturial exams. That is better than any first class honours from Cambridge or Cambridge.
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I believe in approaching this matter honestly. I want the people to know what I think, what I stand for. I will leave it to them to judge if they wish to vote for me, either in parliament or as the president.
I also want this petition to be like a referendum. Does the people of Singapore want change? Are they willing to sign the petition and be part of the change? If I do not get sufficient signatures, then there is no point in my entering the political fray. (100,000 is just a nice number to be a benchmark.) .
Hence, I do not wish to adopt the “two simple rules and unwritten rules” advocated by Mr. Balji. It is also advised to me by a few other friends who must have studied political science.
It is not important to me, whether I win or lose the contest. It is more important that the people in Singapore will win, and that there will be a contest.
The best outcome, in my view, is that the PAP will change its policies and be closer to the people – back to the party of the old days. This requires a realisation that better decisions can be made by leaders who are freely elected to represent the wishes and aspirations of the people.
It will be good for Singapore to build up a strong alternative party. But, it is a big long task and will take a long time. It will require a large number of people, and especially younger people. I am already in my august years (to quote Mr. Balji). I hope that 100,000 signatures can encourage other people to come forward.
I hope to choose a course that is best for Singapore. It does not matter to me, if I win or lose the presidential election. Even if I win (and the possibilty is remote), there is nothing much that can be done by obstructing or embarrasing the government in power.
It is better to use this opportunity to re-discover the social values that Singapore should be guided in the future.
I think TKL did the right thing by throwing caution th the wind here.
By declaring his intentions, he is actually campaigning already even so when he asked for the 100,000 signatures. I personally have helped him in the cause by emailing all my friends the petition form to support him overseas.
The alternative candidate now has to do things differently from the past.
Normally, opposition candidates will only appear after the Nomination Day is announced and will campaign hard and fierce during a short ten days to two weeks window epriod. The connection is very short lived and lacking impact. They then disappeared and may re-appear during the next GE. There is hardly time for them to connect and influence those important swing votes. Their lack of media coverage also does not help in their cause.
TKL has given Singapore a fresh new perspective in the political climate here largely dominated by the ruling party.
TKL has several advantages in his camp now:
1. He has garnered popular votes from his important appearance at HLP assisting those lost minibond investors. He is the man on every Singaporean’s lips now. As he did very well at HLP this will help him very much when he stands for election.
2. He managed to do things differently from the past opposition candidates by announcing his intention way ahead of election time. Hopefully this will work in his favour and I think so it does – at least for now. We need changes now and the people are hungry for a Robin Hood character to come into the picture. He came in at the right time I guess when everyone is feeling pissed off and down from many grouses that came from the ruling party.
3. He has ample time to campaign and do things from now to election time to win more votes. The two-week campaign period is too short for any opposition candidate to make an influence. Imagine the US Presidency campaign lasted 20 months! In fact, my take is that he has enough in him to spearhead a political party and invite suitable capable people to his party and vision. This must be his challenge for him now if he could garner 100,000 signatures.
4. TKL represented the commoner kind of Singaporean. Most PAP candidates are either very educated or CEOs category. One gets the feeling that they hardly take the MRT train or even smells a HDB corridor before. TKL himself takes the train wherever he goes and is one of us. Singapore feels safe that this guy will be able to feel the ground as he is very similar to the lay people.
5. Obama change. When Obama won the election as US President, I felt that many Singaporeans felt that we all wanted such a change in our country. Our political system is very stifling and not liberating. We are stucked with the ruling party for too long and many can see that it will take much more to bring us forward. So when TKL came into the picture, many could see that indeed maybe Obama mania may have land on our shore.
Way to go TKL – presson and never give up!
After decades, 1 finally appear.
As TKL is our one in 4 million, brothers and sisters, lets unite and stand behind our only glimpse of hope. Lets protect him like he is our only son. The Son of Singapore.
Had the pleasure of working with TKL on one of his community projects and gotta tell everyone he is a genuine article. I’ve worked with enough folks to smell an imposter a hundred miles away, and believe me, TKL is one star player you can count on to turn the game around, like Eric Cantona.
I don’t know –
if all the opposition can rally around TKL in a loose alliance, we may se the start of something awesome here in Singapore.
I mean if President Tan needs to sign off the annual budget – maybe first thing is to relook the publci secotr wages and check if the ministers are worth their pay.
Now that they have a 19% pay cut, will they go back to private sector, or give 19% less effort?
See feedmetothefish for his latest take…..
Seems as though the MSM is taking a keen interest in the TOC – a testament to how far it has grown (TOC, that is). However, I am concerned that it is becoming too aligned with the MSM instead of being an alternative voice. Perhaps it is the natural evolution of things but I hope that TOC can maintain its impartiality.
Instead of listening to those who already have a wider audience to begin with, I would rather read the thoughts of those who would otherwise never get space on ST, TNP et al such as Alfian, Seelan etc.
I do hope that TOC does not get ‘taken over’ by the MSM – officially or unofficially – but nevertheless continue to wish it all the best in its development.
Those who want to join TKL for the next election, you must make yourselves known and appear frequently at the HLP to fight for citizenry cause like TKL. You shld’nt wait until election time to campaign, it is too late.
“There are at least two simple and unwritten rules for those wanting to enter politics, especially Singapore politics.
Never reveal your cards so early in the game. Never use buts and ifs.
CEO-turned-consumer activist Mr Tan Kin Lian has broken both rules.”
I cannot help but feel this could be one giant ploy to find out how dangerous the internet really is. I mean if TLK can get lets say 100,000 votes within a span of a few days, then PAP will start to use this info for election planning. Possibility or conspiracy theory. I guess they dont have reliable intelligence on online trends and thats why, they may be using TLK as some sort of experimental platform.
I cannot think of any other reason why anyone will even consider breaking these two golden rules and I strongly concur with Balji here. Makes no sense at all.
One good litmus test is to ask TLK point blank, what are you going to change specifically, can you pls share with us? If he cannot answer, then we have both the question and answer. My 2 cents
obama campaign draw upon the support of netizens, by doing the same,TKL has emulated obama has 100000 signatures mean 100000 commited voters or volunteers.
Dear Mr Tan,
Good morning, we meet again.
I believe there are certain decisions you to make and be committed to. While I appreciate your desire to serve the pubic, it is difficult to believe in your platform unless we are (I am) given a better understanding. One of your value code is honesty and therefore, I hope you understand my point.
“I will leave it to them to judge if they wish to vote for me, either in parliament or as the president.” – As I had explained yesterday, the path to a MP or an EP is very different. It may be best to decide and let the public judge you according to the intended position. It may not be fair to ask me to so sign on your petition without knowing what I am signing it for.
“It is not important to me, whether I win or lose the contest.” – I believe it is imperative that you are out to win. Why should I believe in your cause when you do not even show any desire or urgency. Perhaps you were just being modest, but the truth remains. Should you desire to compete, I think it is only fair for your would-be supporters to know you are 100% committed.
“The best outcome, in my view, is that the PAP will change its policies and be closer to the people – back to the party of the old days.” – To put things simply, and no offense intended, words are cheap. What change do you have in mind? What does the “old days” refer to exactly? However I understand you may be posting such answers on TOC soon and I await your reply.
“It does not matter to me, if I win or lose the presidential election.” – Does this imply you are looking more at the post of EP? If so, how will you effect change since the power of an EP lies mainly in protecting our reserves. And also, there is always the 2/3 majority you have to overcome.
“It is better to use this opportunity to re-discover the social values that Singapore should be guided in the future.” – One of your social values is “Work for the benefit of all, and not for self-interest”. Correct me if I am wrong, but if interpreted to the extreme, it seems like a communistic statement. Perhaps you can explain this clearer?
Thank you
11) lecturer on November 25th, 2008 10.20 am
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You raised a good and important point to think about.
Due to lack of information, we can only assume and believe.
Conspiracy theory is real – it exists and is serious factor too important for TOC to ignore.
I have yet to see how these conspiracies have been satisfactorily addressed or demystified.
Given the chance, I will , for now , still give TKL the vote if he bids.
Last time, many gave WP the vote despite its ’style’.
I see this as an act of desperation – there was only 1 option.
Hopefully, TKL turns out to be the real thing.
In any case, I am not afriad. History records everything.
Soon, we shall find out.
Yes, its a bit surprising that the cards were revealed so early.
I could only guess if TKL was advised by a ‘gao ren’ to do so or he has his own strategy. Anyways, very unusual and uncharacteristic of a singaporean. Nevertheless, its refreshing.
Our hope is, to have frontline batch and a second line batch ready to ‘cover duty’ when required. This means, there should be a backup team of at least 10 to ’surprise’, the hidden trumpcards. I mean we could not know how the frontline batch may end up. For example, could they handle the MSM ’s ‘insightful’ reporting? We have seen what could happen.
So, TOC cannot continue to avoid the conspiracy theories.
Yes, the internet can be used to gauge sentiments and test waters.
There is more to internet than this. every machine has IP address. What am i alluding? well, it means no one knows your identity even when you mask it and mask it under anonymous nick. provided you believe me
regards
Sector 99 100.100.100.100 Zone 5, Unit 99 hip hop hurray!
Mr tan,
You got to be really committed to become an independant in a shark infested waters. They will hammer you, sue you, lightning strike you and destroy your reputation. I believe that you will stand no chance too for the PEC positive assessment to be presidential candidate. These monkeys controlled gahmen are too afraid for another honorable Ong as president. Your likely chance is an election becoming MP. Being a sole voice in the parliament will be just a waste of your good years since change will never come. I strongly think that you should form a party and join with other opp party. Maybe take over from Mr Chiam, and stand as Potong Pasir MP and continue the struggle. Don not think that this gahmen will relent in giving up their authority for the sake of the people and country. They are just power thirsty since day one.
Your good intention for the people is remarkable, i firmly support your bid. Hope God bless you in all you do.
concerned,
FG
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Mr Tan,
where is the referendum? if we want to support, how should we sign it?
in the battlefield…do not be naive…there’s no such thing as “gentleman” competition…know thyself, know thy enemy..thousand battles…a thousand victories! We need a group of street wise strategists to support Mr. Tan to win this crucial battle…for the people of Singapore!
Hi Lecturer #11
You asked what I want to change? They are stated in my reply to Darren in a separate article. Maybe Darren can tell you where it is located. You can also find my views in my blog.
But, I shall be writing a separate article for posting in The Online Ciitzen. So be patient. (I do have many other things to attend to now. Top priority is updating my blog on the the credit linked notes and to speak at Hong Lim).
Hi Darren #13
You now know my views. You make your decision whether you wish to support me. I hope that you will (even thought I am unable to meet your standard). If you like to support me, please send an email to kinlain@gmail.com.
ever wonder why ST is keen to do an interview with Mr.Tan?
1. Why a rookie to do the job?
2. the ST is probing with a stick…on behalf of the incumbent government?
It is all right for TKL to express his WILL as an alternate choice for Singaporeans and it is so warmth under such a better situation.
but thinking he mention about political science, i do have some suggestions to share.
Politics do not go according to the textbook, if TKL are to base on opinions mainly from those intellectures in political science school, he is tend to lose right from the beginning.
TKL is a gentleman, but PAP while fighting in campaign is hardly a gentleman. So what TKL needs now?
Some of my suggestions:
1. keep yourself energetic in commenting and even acting when nessesary on the social and political issues.
This is to keep the public aware of YOU till two three years later, and at the same time, to GATHER the opinions from the public and to form concensus between YOU and the PUBLIC. This is very important in getting the public consent on you as a good choice candidate.
2. contact as many social bodies and personnel as possible. building up a strong BRIANPOOL with all kind of thoughts and opinions as possible. other than GOH MENG SENG, you can get people from TOC as well, remember there are many smart people online, and dont forget the CHinese educated side of Singapore, there are many good brain with political strategies out there.
The fatal point of present opposition party is they do not have or do not want to have different brains…this is so similar to PAP!
but the Chinese history tell us whoever won the regime know how to GATHER BRAINS.
3. nevermind of these brains come out with different opinions and look confusing at the beggining stage. I am sure you have your good judgement on certain issues. So those opinions serve as a stimulator for you to fix you judgement even better.
4. Check on the government policies and works when Low Thia Kiang and Sylvia Lim ,Chiam See Tong don’t touch on.
I think they nowadays don’t touch on most issues. but this is to highlight your Value in contrast with them.
Never think of letting them a chance as they are from the opposition. Since they are not doing their job, they could be kicked out in the next election ,maybe, by your NEW PARTY.
These are the basic points you may consider up to the near future. As time approaching the election(whichever), strategies must change. I may come again if you want.
The ONLY worry for your campaign as the president is….ARE YOU ELIGIBLE in THEIR SENSE???
It is all right for TKL to express his WILL as an alternate choice for Singaporeans and it is so warmth under such a better situation.
SORRY, should be under such a BAD situation, i mean the economy and social and investments.
Wonder what A Tan (3) is trying to prove using “big” words like pontification – does the blogger know what is he-she talking? Who is talking in a dogmatic and pompous manner? What’s the big deal about passing acturial exams?
Who is looking for an alternative with a PhD? A Tan? Are they better people. Your guess is as good as mine? The current team in the governement is consisting of mainly scholars and highly schooled people but how well have they fared in handling this crisis.
As TKL indicated that it is not the winning or losing – but what Singaporeans want, that is, if they are supporting what his is doing by some show of support, in this test case, 100,000 signatures. What if he has to convince Mrs Tan for him to stand the election. Are you not aware that even LKY consults with his more intelligent spouse on most matters.
“Advise on strategy, ever tot he has forgotten more abt these [---deleted---]?” – if that’s what you think A Tan, then what strategies do you have to offer? Be constructive. A philosphe once said – it is better to remain silent if you are stupid, then to open you mouth and confirm you are stupid”
I think I understand where Mr Tan is coming from.
- He wants to be at the very least, a CATALYST for galvanizing change in Sg. Its not necessary that his success be measured by the precision of political scientists, as a be all or end all outcome , ie either you win GE seats or the EP seat.
- I think its clear Mr Tan does not want to lock horns with the PAP, if he can avoid it; which is why he appeals to ‘what is best for Sg’. He goes so far as to even say he would have accomplished something significant if he makes the ruling party a better party. This is a clever move to neutralize any attempts to cast doubts on his motives & intentions. It wld also be a counter-productive exercise for him to waste his limited energies to engage in a losing battle with the inexhausible resources of the incumbent in the game of political one up-manship. Mr Tan clearly has no desire to being painted against his wishes as a knight in a shining armor, slaying the PAP dragon…
- By asking for a 100,000 petition, Mr Tan is in fact asking for Singaporeans themselves to start THINKING hard about what they truly want, and to start the process of COMMITMENT to this ideal. He has already stated that he is in his ‘august years’.. and he won’t be able to accomplish much. He is not being self defeating.. he is probably being factual in today’s context of electioneering in Sg. He clearly wants others to come forward to carry the torch that he has lit.
- Lastly, unlike Balji or Lecturer, i do not fault him for committing the 2 grave ‘errors’… because winning the EP or MP seat is not his preferred goal. I applaud Mr Tan for taking the higher moral ground in this dirty game of politics… by stating his intentions honestly, acknowledging his own limitations and educating us to take up the torch ourselves if we want change.
oh.. and by the way, by taking the ‘moral’ ground, Mr Tan has gone where no other politician has dared to tread… Most of our MPs seem only familiar with PhDs, statistics, GDP, & percentages. Perhaps that is the Achilles heel in the PAP armor…
#25,
That’s due to the technocrats we have as MPs. People trained in different fields have a different approach to things.
Hi My 2Cents Worth (#24)
Thank you for your positive interpretation of my intent. It is largely correct.
My sincere hope is that politics in Singapore can be positive, and that it will encourage more people to come forward and help create a better society.
i am impressed with the positive attitude of the candidates in the US presidential election – more so, that the candidates can get together, after the eletion, to work for the benefit of their country.
Hi Lecturer (#11)
I wish to confirm that there is no conspiracy and no ploy by the PAP to gauge the internet. I am not a party to such a ploy.
Don’t be so suspicious. Let us make judgement based on facts, and not on speculation.
With all due respect, why stay on in the party for 30 years and now say the party has taken an ideological turn for the worse?
I respect his courage but unless I am convinced he will make as good a president as the late President Ong Teng Cheong, I rather cast a spoilt vote.
All the best, though I am sure many out there would agree with me that by no means is Mr Tan assured of the certificate of eligibility to contest the PE.
Cheers.
I agree with #13
I need someone who is committed to the cause, enough to fight and to win
Like how LKY was back in the early days. Like how JBJ was. Love him or hate him, I respect the guy for his tenacity, his commitment, his conviction
Only with men like that, will I throw in my lot.
Not a by-the-way kind of if-I-get-it-that’s-fine-if-i-don’t-that’s-also-fine attitude
So, Mr Tan, you will have to convince me you’re right for the job (by the way, which job are you even fighting for? MP or EP?)
Not the other way round.
I think the writer is not a person good at playing cards. In Chinese history, support from the people is necessary and thus justify the petition. Just ask yourself, if Singaporean are not interested and choose to stay at home to wait for miracle. Then miracle it is, why bother to help people who don’t want to self help?
As one ever ask Buddha, if you are all so mighty, why don’t you destroy the devil once and for all. It is a silly question actually, there is devil in every each of us, is the Buddha going to destroy all people once and for all? 上天下地-唯你独尊-你不愿意-何来搭救也? (If I give you food, you don’t want to put it in your mouth. How can I save you from starvation)?
One lecturer ever say to us in a engineering class, there are more than one way to reach a destination. Only the fool will believe in model answer! Guess what? Model answer is only for people that had been brain washed by the PAP. I think what the lecturer try to tell us is that there is so much a book can teach you, in real life, you need to find the best way to solve your question. In short, open up your mind. For this, I ask the writer, you sure this is all the cards that Mr. Tan KL has?
If only thing were so simple then, I believe people in the past would have seen thru PAP real face and we can save this trouble arguing here.
I am in total agreement with Mr. Tan, don’t speculate. It only bring more doubts and fear. Fear bring confusion and confusion bring chaos.
If you truthfully believe in your stand, no one is going to convert you. Those that see past the truth will eventually convert himself. Question is, will it be too late? Like a old man used to tell me, a strike at a time.
得天下必得人心，得人心者国盛，失人者国衰直至亡 that is why LKY try to fool himself and along with the rest of the world, he got “Mandate” during the last election. But I think all Chinese helicopter people know better.
Never mind what’s Mr Tan’s intention…at least he has awaken all Singaporeans in their lullaby. We are now politically aware and not shy in telling our Government our feelings and our wants for a better life. I believe our Government is surprised at our current reactions via online and in the newspapers! Congratulation! We indeed have grown up!
Wah.. It appears that all of you support Tan KL’s bid for presidency.
I wonder what about the larger world outside.
The people who study insurance, savings, et cetera policies issued long ago and everything. Actual educated people who didn’t buy mini-bonds without first looking at the fine print and then rally at a park with a man alleging mis-selling..
Hmm~
30) Anonymous on November 25th, 2008 9.09 pm
Like how LKY was back in the early days. Like how JBJ was. Love him or hate him, I respect the guy for his tenacity, his commitment, his conviction
Only with men like that, will I throw in my lot.
I cannot totally agree with you, if all of us here are to wait until the time come to be fully convinced and respecting TKL as those you’ve mentioned in the early days? Hey, by then most of us may not be around anymore to argue with ha! then we all will get to be screwed again for another 2 more terms, is it?
I agree with Mr Balji that it isn’t to Mr Tan’s advantage to throw in his hat so early. But perhaps this move will inspire a few others of his stature (CEOs, retired CEOs, etc) to consider entering opposition politics. If that happens, even if Mr Tan does not succeed in his bid, Singapore will still win.
My two cents worth is that if there’s any chance for changes to Singapore politics is the emergence of a group of nationalistic and selfless young Singaporeans guided by a seasoned politician who knows the sophistification necessary to challenge a well entrenched ruling party. A mentor of sort – and TKL ought to take up the role given his experience as member of PAP and a formal CEO of a large organisation. Don’t see the long term impact for TKL fighting the entire establishment alone as a EP or MP even if he ever gets there. Now that the rate of public support for Presidency is gauged, TKL might want to checkout the response to a call for membership to a TKL party. It’ll be a true test of support. Farmhouse will gather all animals within in support of such a move by TKL.
Although I support TKL as a potential MP / EP candidate, I actually have a different take on the entire affair.
I don’t think TKL intends to enter politics. To get 100,000 signatures is a very tall order. TKL is also not clear with the public if he intends to run for EP or MP. Such ambiguity will only serve to impede the process of gathering signatures because TKL is not being clear on he intends to serve the public. He enjoys the attention and feels flattered when he is approached by people/public to enter politics. It is inconvenient to directly reject friendly gestures from the public too.
To panter92,
So there was no mis-selling to TCs either then? Who were supposed to invest in low-risk products?
Hmmm. Then how come TC MPs still say they can get compensation?
Getting the 100,000 signatories will not make Mr Tan an MP or EP.
By signing the petition with disclosure of personal information, I am just making a strong expression of support for leadership towards change in national policies that can better care for me, my family and fellow singaporeans.
I do fear the exposure if that list should fall into the wrong hands, but I fear even more the consequences should the day comes, when I or my children need to be out on the street to express our dissatisfactions.
Hi 5934 (#41)
Thank you for your views. I appreciate your expression of support for a change. It does not imply that you wish to vote for any alternative party. The list will be kept confidential. My volunteers have agreed to sign a letter of confidentiality and also be act honestly.
Already, I am getting the exposure and the consequences. My wife is getting a lot of telephone calls, from people who “fear” for my future. I think that my children are having the same kind of stress.
But, it should be okay. After a while, they will overcome the fear and get used to this matter.
I think that large number of people who have expressed their support in various ways – by signing the petition, by sending e-mails to me. I do not keep a record of these people, as they are too many to track. Sorry.
Hi smallvice595 (#39)
I have given my Q&A in a separate article in The Online Citizen. I hope that it is sufficient to address your concerns.
My own position is quite ambitious at this time. I am not sure if there are sufficient people who are willing to come forward and be counted. I am not sure what is the best way forward. I prefer to keep this option open.
In spite of the uncertainty, I have already taken the first step, and am facing the consequences. I hope that other people can come forward to take this step – to sign the petition.
Mr Tan, I am keen to sign the petition but would appreciate your response to three questions:
1) Which PAP constituency were you serving in for the past 30 years? Just marine parade?
2) Did you hold any appointments such as CCC chairman?
3) Were you ever invited to the party’s ‘tea-session’?
Thanks.
I have read all the postings and got a sensing that most of us agreed:
1. TKL will need to come up and stand for SIngapore’s alternate politics.
2.He will also preferably stand as MP rather than Presidential candidate as MP has more impact in terms of ground dealing than being President.
3. He will preferably set up a party so that men of similar heart and mind can join him. He can’t do much standing election as a lone MP.
4. He will need to be cautious as histoy has shown that politics are dirty. Our ruling party members are no gentleman. His family is affected but may continue to support him regardless.
5. He has mixed support on whether he should throw in the hat earlier or later. Some prefer him to annouce it earlier so that support is garnered earlier whereas others prefer him to show his hand later so that he will not be fixed up by the authorities.
6. Some also prefer him to show more of what he will stand up for when he is elected. Will he speak up for the poor or needy? Will he speaks up for freedom of speech and democracy?
7. Some are also fearful that the email names will be leaked out and affected their jobs and survival in the long term – climate of fear still exists.
I hope that I have rightly summarised what all the postings here have meant.
Mr Tan Kin Liang
It was not expected, and I thank you for replying to my post.
My purpose was not to throw a spanner in the works, but to exposed the fear that I believes many shared in revealing their identities.
Taking the mantle of leadership in a time of crisis is a highly admirable and noble act, as the road ahead of you and those closest to you will be tough and unrewarding in many aspect.
I feel that it is in your best interest that when the time comes where push comes to shove, you should be able to count on supporters who have already reasoned and confronted their fears, and have the resolve to stand firmly by their decisions.
As long as he watches his words, do not break the law, TKL is safe. Frankly, he doesn’t need 100,000 signatures but if he wants, it can be done.
47) kelly on November 29th, 2008 10.54 pm
As long as he watches his words, do not break the law, TKL is safe. Frankly, he doesn’t need 100,000 signatures but if he wants, it can be done.
as long as TKL is sincere and willing to stand up and represent the citizens of singapore to do the right things for the people, there is no reason he will nott get all the support he needs from the citizens.
TiredSingaporean, so make sure you support TKL if and when he is one of the candidates for election.
4)>>It is not important to me, whether I win or lose the contest. It is more important that the people in Singapore will win, and that there will be a contest.
As a self-professed cynic, the above line definitely caught my attention. Shall refrain from saying more but if it’s truly what Mr Tan feels, he will have my support.
Greetings Mr. Tan,
You must have a reason for requiring to gauge the kind of support you could garner before plunging into the political forays. I am sure the Govt had at one time or another tried to get you on their ticket. Then again I might be off the mark.
From past experiences, we have seen how formidable man have been demolished by the Govt using all the arsenals at their disposal.
Like you, I too agree that PAP was once an honest people’s party. But it is not the same now. Instead of nurturing good people to offer alternative view and platform for the benefit of Singaporeans, they have unleash the destructive power of ‘fear’ to continue holding on to power.
As humans, PAP too have made their fair share of ‘mistakes’.
The frightening part is they never admit it and there is no accountability.
I humbly offer my services as a volunteer should you ever decide to plunge into politics. I do not seek any position but only to serve Singapore and Singaporeans irrespective of race, colour or religion.
Best regards.
March 2009.
hello Mr Tan,
You will have many supporters in Singapore.
Just don’t do anything that can be used against you by you know who.
Do an Obama for Singapore.
We have waited for too long.
regards
Adam