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		<title>By: PAP and New Media &#171; Blogscapes</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/more-political-space-for-singaporeans-if-government-accepts-proposals-aims/comment-page-1/#comment-40983</link>
		<dc:creator>PAP and New Media &#171; Blogscapes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 12:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] this month, the Advisory Council on the Impact of New Media on Society (AIMs) presented its report on Internet regulations, with recommendations made for laws on political videos and online election material to be [...]</description>
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		<title>By: smallvice585</title>
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		<dc:creator>smallvice585</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 17:49:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Unless the PAP withhold its monopoly claim on determining public interest, Singaporeans will never be free from PAP&#039;s tyranny.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unless the PAP withhold its monopoly claim on determining public interest, Singaporeans will never be free from PAP&#8217;s tyranny.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 05:52:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ai ya, this is just all talk, will not change anything of significance. The gahmen where will allow changes that might ACTUALLY benefit the opposition? Forget it lah, better stick to the old Films Act.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ai ya, this is just all talk, will not change anything of significance. The gahmen where will allow changes that might ACTUALLY benefit the opposition? Forget it lah, better stick to the old Films Act.</p>
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		<title>By: LPC</title>
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		<dc:creator>LPC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:22:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>AIMs  is doing a great job. Pls keep it up your good work.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AIMs  is doing a great job. Pls keep it up your good work.</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald u got time or not?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gerald u got time or not?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:02:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>if got, could you respond to #13, #14?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>if got, could you respond to #13, #14?</p>
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		<title>By: IBA ABI</title>
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		<dc:creator>IBA ABI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U60 and then AIMS. I wonder .......  IBA IBA untooneh!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U60 and then AIMS. I wonder &#8230;&#8230;.  IBA IBA untooneh!</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:17:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The PAP govt is like one who has risen above the clouds and together with him, he has a team of people to tend to his needs like pedicure, manicure, and all sort of cures like pace-setters etc. 

While above the clouds his vision of the earth is so clouded that he needs his team of advisors to advise him on the happenings below the clouds. Unfortunately, these advisors are up there with him and what they see from up there are no different from what he himself sees.

What do we do down here? 

Yes, like what anyone with a sound mind would do. PULL THEM DOWN!.

This is the only solution to all our problems.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The PAP govt is like one who has risen above the clouds and together with him, he has a team of people to tend to his needs like pedicure, manicure, and all sort of cures like pace-setters etc. </p>
<p>While above the clouds his vision of the earth is so clouded that he needs his team of advisors to advise him on the happenings below the clouds. Unfortunately, these advisors are up there with him and what they see from up there are no different from what he himself sees.</p>
<p>What do we do down here? </p>
<p>Yes, like what anyone with a sound mind would do. PULL THEM DOWN!.</p>
<p>This is the only solution to all our problems.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Once the citizen accept proposal what is there to ensure the government will not change the proposal at their own will, own time and own target ? Is the gov using the same tactic of making the concession first , and once agree, change it to their own liking over time (Isn&#039;t this same as CPF thingy etc). We have seen that happened in Singapore, don&#039;t we ? Do we even trust the kangaroo system here anymore ? 

Who will fight against the kangaroo system if kangaroo make punk again ? The AIMS with people consisting of MSM people ?

There must be someone accountable when the proposal will be amended by the government in the future by who the one really ?

What I mean is that proposal  look good now but What is there to stop the government from meddling the agreement without consulting the ground in the future ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Once the citizen accept proposal what is there to ensure the government will not change the proposal at their own will, own time and own target ? Is the gov using the same tactic of making the concession first , and once agree, change it to their own liking over time (Isn&#8217;t this same as CPF thingy etc). We have seen that happened in Singapore, don&#8217;t we ? Do we even trust the kangaroo system here anymore ? </p>
<p>Who will fight against the kangaroo system if kangaroo make punk again ? The AIMS with people consisting of MSM people ?</p>
<p>There must be someone accountable when the proposal will be amended by the government in the future by who the one really ?</p>
<p>What I mean is that proposal  look good now but What is there to stop the government from meddling the agreement without consulting the ground in the future ?</p>
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		<title>By: Complain got any effect or not?</title>
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		<dc:creator>Complain got any effect or not?</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 04:28:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Singaporeans are limited by the limited experience they have. Actually, we have never experienced rule under another partee.

We have never experienced many other thingies:

1. cannot say....
2. oso cannot say....
3. still not at liberty to say....
4. better dun say....else....kenna.....
5. my mudder told me never to say and say....
6. better let others say....
7. dun be hero lah....
8. say like no say....
9. say no use wan.....
A. got people representedtatives to lapresent you already wat. let them rep us lor. all 82 or so wor.

B. wait until the palpitation is no longer palpitating. 
C. Got opposition in the parl already mah...they so solid bombastic speak up on all issues of public interest wor....i name you exampers.....erm.....i....need to find the examples....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Singaporeans are limited by the limited experience they have. Actually, we have never experienced rule under another partee.</p>
<p>We have never experienced many other thingies:</p>
<p>1. cannot say&#8230;.<br />
2. oso cannot say&#8230;.<br />
3. still not at liberty to say&#8230;.<br />
4. better dun say&#8230;.else&#8230;.kenna&#8230;..<br />
5. my mudder told me never to say and say&#8230;.<br />
6. better let others say&#8230;.<br />
7. dun be hero lah&#8230;.<br />
8. say like no say&#8230;.<br />
9. say no use wan&#8230;..<br />
A. got people representedtatives to lapresent you already wat. let them rep us lor. all 82 or so wor.</p>
<p>B. wait until the palpitation is no longer palpitating.<br />
C. Got opposition in the parl already mah&#8230;they so solid bombastic speak up on all issues of public interest wor&#8230;.i name you exampers&#8230;..erm&#8230;..i&#8230;.need to find the examples&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:52:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#17)  &lt;i&gt;Sporeans must be responsible for their decisions.i&gt;

Hi Fellow Singaporeans,

Allow me to deviate from the main topic a little.

How often have we heard the above expression in our course of conversations, whether here in TOC or elsewhere in our own private gatherings. Do we really believe that Singaporeans are fully responsible for the rubbish perpetuated by the PAP govt? I seriously think we should stop thinking that we are at fault.

Look at the various election platforms by which the PAP sourced for our votes. 
- A more open and consultative government.
- A gracious society
- The next lap (where we look after one another especially those lagging behind).

These are just of the few telling ones; and; it is by these promises that majority of the voters were taken in, believed and voted.

When things go wrong, the blame suddenly falls on the people for giving the PAP govt the blank check to govern. How wrong this percetion is. If it is true, then every democratic govt of the world can do likewise and blame the people for every failed policy. 

It is time for us to wake up and be clever enough to discern the lies that this PAP govt has been feeding us. When you start to chant these lies like a mantra, you will end up believing that they are truth - which is furthest from the truth.

Think about it, won&#039;t you?

Regards to all.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#17)  <i>Sporeans must be responsible for their decisions.i&gt;</p>
<p>Hi Fellow Singaporeans,</p>
<p>Allow me to deviate from the main topic a little.</p>
<p>How often have we heard the above expression in our course of conversations, whether here in TOC or elsewhere in our own private gatherings. Do we really believe that Singaporeans are fully responsible for the rubbish perpetuated by the PAP govt? I seriously think we should stop thinking that we are at fault.</p>
<p>Look at the various election platforms by which the PAP sourced for our votes.<br />
- A more open and consultative government.<br />
- A gracious society<br />
- The next lap (where we look after one another especially those lagging behind).</p>
<p>These are just of the few telling ones; and; it is by these promises that majority of the voters were taken in, believed and voted.</p>
<p>When things go wrong, the blame suddenly falls on the people for giving the PAP govt the blank check to govern. How wrong this percetion is. If it is true, then every democratic govt of the world can do likewise and blame the people for every failed policy. </p>
<p>It is time for us to wake up and be clever enough to discern the lies that this PAP govt has been feeding us. When you start to chant these lies like a mantra, you will end up believing that they are truth &#8211; which is furthest from the truth.</p>
<p>Think about it, won&#8217;t you?</p>
<p>Regards to all.</i></p>
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		<title>By: widowmaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>widowmaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 02:05:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>btw how much did AIMS cost the taxpayer?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>btw how much did AIMS cost the taxpayer?</p>
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		<title>By: To Belajian</title>
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		<dc:creator>To Belajian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:58:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16) Belajian on December 3rd, 2008 9.54 am 

I think your answer is in front of you.
All singaporeans have not done anything to show they are not happy with the people helming the MSM.
So, by that we have to assume, they all have no issue with how they are appointed. Sporeans must be responsible for their decisions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16) Belajian on December 3rd, 2008 9.54 am </p>
<p>I think your answer is in front of you.<br />
All singaporeans have not done anything to show they are not happy with the people helming the MSM.<br />
So, by that we have to assume, they all have no issue with how they are appointed. Sporeans must be responsible for their decisions.</p>
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		<title>By: Belajian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Belajian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 01:54:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I recall Gerald was the TOC member who once told a group at SubStation
that not all MSM people are &#039;like that&#039;.

I wonder what does he mean?

The fact is they work in the MSM. 
They choose to work in the MSM.
And they are the ones giving us the news that we read because its written by them. For decades.

15) jy on December 3rd, 2008 8.44 am 
I read your comment with interest. You mean, as one of the MSM chief, the person should not be a member of any political party to show that he is more neutral and unbiased?  I wonder how the rest of you feel about this? My question is why should a newspaper chief be a member of a political party? I do not object to it but just like to know if this is a pre-requisite and do all of you feel this is a step forward to unbiased news.

Of course, I can only say our MSM chiefs have been excellent and totally unbiased. Even they would agree. right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I recall Gerald was the TOC member who once told a group at SubStation<br />
that not all MSM people are &#8216;like that&#8217;.</p>
<p>I wonder what does he mean?</p>
<p>The fact is they work in the MSM.<br />
They choose to work in the MSM.<br />
And they are the ones giving us the news that we read because its written by them. For decades.</p>
<p>15) jy on December 3rd, 2008 8.44 am<br />
I read your comment with interest. You mean, as one of the MSM chief, the person should not be a member of any political party to show that he is more neutral and unbiased?  I wonder how the rest of you feel about this? My question is why should a newspaper chief be a member of a political party? I do not object to it but just like to know if this is a pre-requisite and do all of you feel this is a step forward to unbiased news.</p>
<p>Of course, I can only say our MSM chiefs have been excellent and totally unbiased. Even they would agree. right?</p>
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		<title>By: jy</title>
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		<dc:creator>jy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:44:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mr Cheong Yip Seng, 

Were you the former Chief Editor of The Straits Times?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mr Cheong Yip Seng, </p>
<p>Were you the former Chief Editor of The Straits Times?</p>
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		<title>By: Jingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I meant, Alternative partys may have faced some constraints.
And for the ruling party, how do you know they have not spoken to the AIMS team?
And could you clarify is it that ZERO members of AIMS is a member of any political parties?

Please lah, lets be clearer leh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I meant, Alternative partys may have faced some constraints.<br />
And for the ruling party, how do you know they have not spoken to the AIMS team?<br />
And could you clarify is it that ZERO members of AIMS is a member of any political parties?</p>
<p>Please lah, lets be clearer leh.</p>
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		<title>By: Jingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>8) Gerald Giam on December 2nd, 2008 11.07 pm 

&quot;It’s ironic that political parties, being one of the main stakeholders in the issue of media liberalization, have chosen to stay silent.&quot;


I do not feel that you are being fair making this statement.

we all know the constraints. 

You speak as if there is ZERO constraints.

I have been a fan of your articles. This comment of yours disappointed me.

no offens juz my honest feelings.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>8) Gerald Giam on December 2nd, 2008 11.07 pm </p>
<p>&#8220;It’s ironic that political parties, being one of the main stakeholders in the issue of media liberalization, have chosen to stay silent.&#8221;</p>
<p>I do not feel that you are being fair making this statement.</p>
<p>we all know the constraints. </p>
<p>You speak as if there is ZERO constraints.</p>
<p>I have been a fan of your articles. This comment of yours disappointed me.</p>
<p>no offens juz my honest feelings.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:30:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Acknowledging that this is “open to criticism”, AIMs feels that this is a possible compromise between a “free-for-all” option and a “not-at-all” regime.&lt;/i&gt;

Why go for half an egg without even trying for the full egg? This is very typical of our civil service who self-censure and censor themselves before they even try asking.

&lt;i&gt;this did not mean no new films would be allowed during election period. He cited the examples of “factual material” such as videos of election rallies or of political parties’ walkabouts during the hustings. These, he said, should be allowed.&lt;/i&gt;

Herein lies the catch. Nothing in &#039;factual&#039; that is outside of the PAP box. It is clausesand statements like these that already protects the PAP even before they are approved.Worse, the opposition are already condemned because whatever films they might put up would certainly be their death-knell.

&lt;i&gt;Nonetheless, in lieu of full repeal, AIMs is suggesting that the Government 
decriminalize the making of political films as a first-step towards abolishment and also to narrow the scope of the law to target only party political films which 
“intentionally mislead viewers”.&lt;/i&gt;

Isn&#039;t it clearer now? Who is going to deem if there are intentional misleadings or not? Our kangaroo court again?

&lt;i&gt;Turning to Section 35 of the Act, which gives the Minister the power to ban films which are “against the public interest”, AIMs proposes that it be retained in the law.&lt;/i&gt;

See what I mean, The Minister has the last say and AIMs says it is okay and this
authority should be retained.

&lt;i&gt;“These two measures,” said AIMs, “is to address the concerns of those who fear that Section 35 would be used to limit political debate.”&lt;/i&gt;

AIMs should try to address the root cause of such fears, which is, the power of the
Minister who holds the authority to decide at his whim and fancy whether the film
contents are misleading or not. AIMs ought to have this authority removed and 
given to the court of law to decide, independently. Perhaps, AIMs also realises that we have a kangaroo court?

&lt;i&gt;AIMs asks the Government to allow civil servants to voice out their opinions online. It explained that these civil servants are in a unique position to articulate balanced and unique perspectives first-hand.&lt;/i&gt;

Good step but these civil servants must not come online and start behaving like
Elaina and Durian Thrower Gang. They must be brave enough to speak up againstpolicies and issues in full honesty and sincerity and not to use it to curry-flavour or to gain personal career mileage.

btw, this morning&#039;s TODAY papers hinted that the civil service would do well to emulate TOC and its ability to attract credible contributions and discourses on its platform. Well, done TOC, again.

&lt;i&gt;When asked by TOC if AIMs had approached any opposition parties for their 
views or if any opposition parties had voluntarily presented their views to AIMs, 
Mr Cheong said that no opposition parties had done so.&lt;/i&gt;

Well, well. Is AIMs really serious, half-serious or just playing a joke on us all?

We will know when the govt throws the proposal into the waste bin that
this is all but one real big joke to smoke-screen the people again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Acknowledging that this is “open to criticism”, AIMs feels that this is a possible compromise between a “free-for-all” option and a “not-at-all” regime.</i></p>
<p>Why go for half an egg without even trying for the full egg? This is very typical of our civil service who self-censure and censor themselves before they even try asking.</p>
<p><i>this did not mean no new films would be allowed during election period. He cited the examples of “factual material” such as videos of election rallies or of political parties’ walkabouts during the hustings. These, he said, should be allowed.</i></p>
<p>Herein lies the catch. Nothing in &#8216;factual&#8217; that is outside of the PAP box. It is clausesand statements like these that already protects the PAP even before they are approved.Worse, the opposition are already condemned because whatever films they might put up would certainly be their death-knell.</p>
<p><i>Nonetheless, in lieu of full repeal, AIMs is suggesting that the Government<br />
decriminalize the making of political films as a first-step towards abolishment and also to narrow the scope of the law to target only party political films which<br />
“intentionally mislead viewers”.</i></p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t it clearer now? Who is going to deem if there are intentional misleadings or not? Our kangaroo court again?</p>
<p><i>Turning to Section 35 of the Act, which gives the Minister the power to ban films which are “against the public interest”, AIMs proposes that it be retained in the law.</i></p>
<p>See what I mean, The Minister has the last say and AIMs says it is okay and this<br />
authority should be retained.</p>
<p><i>“These two measures,” said AIMs, “is to address the concerns of those who fear that Section 35 would be used to limit political debate.”</i></p>
<p>AIMs should try to address the root cause of such fears, which is, the power of the<br />
Minister who holds the authority to decide at his whim and fancy whether the film<br />
contents are misleading or not. AIMs ought to have this authority removed and<br />
given to the court of law to decide, independently. Perhaps, AIMs also realises that we have a kangaroo court?</p>
<p><i>AIMs asks the Government to allow civil servants to voice out their opinions online. It explained that these civil servants are in a unique position to articulate balanced and unique perspectives first-hand.</i></p>
<p>Good step but these civil servants must not come online and start behaving like<br />
Elaina and Durian Thrower Gang. They must be brave enough to speak up againstpolicies and issues in full honesty and sincerity and not to use it to curry-flavour or to gain personal career mileage.</p>
<p>btw, this morning&#8217;s TODAY papers hinted that the civil service would do well to emulate TOC and its ability to attract credible contributions and discourses on its platform. Well, done TOC, again.</p>
<p><i>When asked by TOC if AIMs had approached any opposition parties for their<br />
views or if any opposition parties had voluntarily presented their views to AIMs,<br />
Mr Cheong said that no opposition parties had done so.</i></p>
<p>Well, well. Is AIMs really serious, half-serious or just playing a joke on us all?</p>
<p>We will know when the govt throws the proposal into the waste bin that<br />
this is all but one real big joke to smoke-screen the people again.</p>
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		<title>By: Tan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 23:55:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There will be no amendmants. It is all talk. Does anyone really believes that  changes will take place that can actually benefit the opposition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There will be no amendmants. It is all talk. Does anyone really believes that  changes will take place that can actually benefit the opposition?</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 18:09:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Finally theres action taken in the positive interests of the community! They sure are slow huh.. but well, better late then never. Still, i wonder how ist he black-out going to take place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Finally theres action taken in the positive interests of the community! They sure are slow huh.. but well, better late then never. Still, i wonder how ist he black-out going to take place.</p>
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		<title>By: sweet_gingerz</title>
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		<description>This is a positive and interesting development :)

To Gilbert Goh, I don&#039;t think it is strange that AIMS did not approach the Opposition, though I acknowledge the point made by Gerald that political parties are significant (not main) stakeholders in the virtual realm. The opposition could have taken a more proactive approach and presented their views/suggestions. That would have been a good opportunity for positive publicity for them, is it not?

My guess is that views from both PAP and Opposition were sought indirectly through the consultation sessions with groups such as the Law Society, Government Parliamentary Committees, businesses, bloggers and individuals, who may be partisans but had not identify themselves as one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a positive and interesting development :)</p>
<p>To Gilbert Goh, I don&#8217;t think it is strange that AIMS did not approach the Opposition, though I acknowledge the point made by Gerald that political parties are significant (not main) stakeholders in the virtual realm. The opposition could have taken a more proactive approach and presented their views/suggestions. That would have been a good opportunity for positive publicity for them, is it not?</p>
<p>My guess is that views from both PAP and Opposition were sought indirectly through the consultation sessions with groups such as the Law Society, Government Parliamentary Committees, businesses, bloggers and individuals, who may be partisans but had not identify themselves as one.</p>
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