Friday, December 5, 2008 7:14
The Brotherhood, Darkness and Mortals
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As previously mentioned, this space is specially for The Brotherhood (whoever they are) and others who want to engage them. There seem to be some sort of duel going on. Anyway, TOC hopes the debate will carry on in a civil and respectful manner.
As long as these are observed, this thread will be allowed to exist. (By the way, you can view all their previous exchanges here.)
To be fair to all, here are the last postings from SD (The Internet Liaison officer of the Brotherhood) and Perm Sec.
SD (The Internet Liaison officer of the Brotherhood):
Good Morning all,
I got great news for all of you. Especially many of the Brotherhood Press readers. Please spread the word and bring them all here. Darkness will be visiting us here today.
Yes, indeed this is a rare privilege, even for me. After all I am just a lowly liaison officer, a mere insignificant cog in the space diplomatic corps – I was told he wished to personally see the “Turning and Turning, Falcon Widens Gyre.” I dont know what he means this, he has a habit of speaking in riddles but I am certain that will thrill to bits people like Lazarus, eiro, widowmaker, observer (SG-HK) and most of all you Patriot.
I just thought, I’ve share this good news with all of you. As since I came to TOC not so long ago. All of you have taken the trouble to give me such a uniquely unforgettable reception. I just thought it would be a good idea to reciprocate the favor with a spot of good will.
Do try to have a very nice day. Its time for my daily 5 km run. And do remind Ah Baey – the question in 38 and 81 still stands. As Observer (SG-HK) highlighted, he is such a “sportman’s” so really, that added with the fact, he’s PAP and he dares to dissent should really put him in good stead.
After all as I said, I cannot think of a better opportunity to engage with the online community. I am sure even Ah Baey will have to agree with that?
“Long live the brotherhood!”
SD (The Internet Liaison officer of the Brotherhood)
Perm Sec:
Hello Singaporedaddy and others,
Let us not escalate the matter further than where it has already gone. We need to stop and make adjustments.
I have always believed from the very first day. It doesnt pay for us to alienate the brotherhood. The last time our govt came up with the name and shame nonsense, it didnt break their spirit, it just made their will stronger. They just clumped closer together.
Its like roaches, the more you spray them, the more resistance they built up
In the AIMs project, Yawning Bread and many others marginalized them and the end result was, they went their own way to come up with a separate report.
I have personally felt that all this fighting is a waste.
I want peace Singaporedaddy of the brotherhood. Go and tell Darkness that we can stop the “gyre” turning and prevent the center from giving way.
As a token of my sincerity. I will try my best to give you an explanation to your question, you presented in #38
This is my own take. I am not a PAP man, but let us say, I love my country and like many of you. I can understand why you are all concerned. But when you ask Mr Baey such a question here, you must understand, this question can never be answered. I am not saying this is right or wrong. Let us just say, this is how politics is conducted in Singapore.
I will however, give you my version of why a one party system can “reliably” produce good.
Bear in mind this need not even be PAP, but it could just as well explain why the monarchy has managed to retain their hold on power for millennia.
You see Singaporedaddy no matter what you wish to say, it is very similar to the brotherhood’s preoccupation with the whole issue of “skill-at-arms.” I have noticed this term being bandied around repeatedly in many essays once published by Darkness.
What legitimizes the whole idea of skill-at-arms? The reason why I am asking this question is, its central to my thesis that it is very possible to reliably produce good without competition. As competition need not be external, but just as Darkness once wrote said,
“For any people to be strong and gainful in seizing opportunities…..it cannot be premised on qualification alone…the system must be stronger than that… is why every civilization starting from the ancient Sumerians never ever shed the view that right to rule and lead was ultimately legitimized by the ability to command in the field.”
Did Darkness not say this Singaporedaddy?
And what was he saying. He believed that skill-at-arms could be furthered within the hegemony of the brotherhood. I did not have to be provoked externally as you claimed.
And Darkness even gave a good example of how this process of regeneration and renewal could be had. He asked again and again. How did the Romans perpetuate their skill-at-arms?
The ultimate strenght of the Roman legion. In the eyes of Darkness did not reside it the constitution or even the apparent democracy offered by the Senate or the Republic. Darkness was very clear as he said if that were the case, the skill of arms would have waned with the eclipse of the republic and the dawn of Caesar – but why didnt it happen?
Darkness attributed the ultimate strenght of the Roman army to what he called its system of recruitment. He liked it so much, he even copied it to mirror the hegemony of the brotherhood. He saw its system of recruitment based not on it high command but by its legionary encadrement, the centurionate. The Roman centurions, long service unit leaders drawn from the best of the enlisted ranks, formed the first body of profssioal fighting officers. It was they and not as to claim external forces that imbued the legions with the backbone and transmitted from generations to generations the code of discipline, conduct and accumulated store of skills-at-arms that allowed the Roman arms to be successfully carried against hundred of enemies over 5 centuries.
I have given you an explanation Singaporedaddy. Much of it has been drawn directly from the hand of Darkness himself.
As I said, we dont want to fight with the brotherhood.
This may be a good place to end the thread comment.
On record Singaporedaddy, you asked. You received an answer. And since most of what I have written comes directly from the previous writings of Darkness.
Can we say, this matter is concluded?
Tell me Singaporedaddy, do you fear peace more than war?
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18 Comments
singaporedaddy
patriot
Hi Friends;
so sad, the thunder and lightnings are gone, soon it will be a sunny day.
BUT DARKNESS WILL COME AND FOR SURE.
patriot
gemami
I am still waiting for Lazarus and the 20 tomb raiding lizards to show up. This battlefield is specially set up for space alien catching rangers man! Or are you finding it too hot for your liking? Lost in space perhaps? Or have your twenty tomb raiding lizards spun out of orbit?
sorry what is this about again? -_-
Gilbert Goh
What is happening here?
What’s the thing about darkness and light? Some kind of star war battle in the heavens?
Can someone fill me here?
lips
Can we not waste space on TOC’s server with this rubbish? Smells like trolls
labrat
Wot, Singaporedaddy, just gives in. Just like that? Isn’t Perm Sec = CEO? CEO who happens to be a real CEO and heads a fortune 500 business is a regular cycling buddy of Darkness? CEO also happens to be a leader in the church that Darkness used to go too.
The story was CEO was sent by his pastor to turn around Darkness bc they had some ugly misunderstanding with him. Instead Darkness turned him to the Darkside. CEO has many powerful friends. CEO used to write in very often in the IS. He was maybe the only one who could shut up Darkness. He was a regular commentator. The boys saw him as sort of a mentor figure. CEO has his own mind. He is much older than Darkness and the rest. Darkness likes CEO. He respects him for his knowledge and the wisdom he brings to any discussion.
But why would CEO write against Singaporedaddy? Isn’t he supposed to be with Singaporedaddy?
That’s the part I can understand. But that would probably explain why it all ended with just one shot.
labrat
I can’t seem to find the link that Perm sec aka ceo is talking abt, all I found was this.
One thing is clear, he is PAP and he dares to dissent, but it was perm sec aka ceo who brought down the Liaison officer and he himself said,
“I am not a PAP man”
Muuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
Gilbert Goh
Ya let’s close this link as Sd and Perm Sec look like they have make up.
Better to have a friend than an enemy in this sick world now.
singaporedaddy
The show is over here. There is nothing else to see. Go!
singaporedaddy
On record, I asked a question. On record no answer came from Ah Baey. Maybe he was too preoccupied with his “organic experiments.” I really dunno.
All I know is if you are a MP. Then you should put your ear close to the ground. If you dont, then that speaks for itself.
To the author: Next time when you want to write an article – just make sure the caption bears out reality – as it is on record, he is certainly PAP, but IMHO, he certainly doesnt have the balls to dissent. I am so sorry.
As for the rest of you; you can draw your respective conclusions on this entire episode.
Thank you Perm Sec for showing us all the way. Do send my warmest regards to the father of the game.
SD
labrat
One day \ when Darkness and you Singaporedaddy and maybe the others are old. You will be like these men.
rubberband brigade
You cooperate with the liaison officer. We will all come back and save sg
singaporedaddy
The Rubberband Brigade,
I have been waiting for you chaps here for over a month! What took you all so long?
Darkness has a personal message for all of you / rated must read status . highest priority / However, bfr releasing this message. I require your 7 digit authentication code. I am sure you all understand. I have to make sure, you ppl are who you really claim to be.
Pls send the code to our secure finisher or genuie SLF – I have arranged for our diplomats there to dock with you to further our discussion.
Everything has been arranged. You have no idea how long we have waited for all of you to contact us.
I am happy, the circle is finally complete. My mission here is over.
SD
2nd class Pro-consul of the Interspacing Federation
bismarker
the way that the previous discussion has descended to really reflects the sad state of affairs in Singapore.
it seems private feuds take more precedence than genuine serious discussions.
jefj0901
I cant understand all tis. Are all the messages coded in Nordic..or some celtic? It seems to be falcon, gyre and darkness, romans…err.
This not good at all.
luxintenebris33
So much noises over an issue of little significance. Unless you are gay, the gay issue is a political diversion. The energy and intelligence have been misapplied. The space and time would be better served by concentrating on the urgent and important transparency and accountability issues.
I am waiting for aliens to land too.
“Darkness attributed the ultimate strenght of the Roman army to what he called its system of recruitment. He liked it so much, he even copied it to mirror the hegemony of the brotherhood. He saw its system of recruitment based not on it high command but by its legionary encadrement, the centurionate. The Roman centurions, long service unit leaders drawn from the best of the enlisted ranks, formed the first body of profssioal fighting officers. It was they and not as to claim external forces that imbued the legions with the backbone and transmitted from generations to generations the code of discipline, conduct and accumulated store of skills-at-arms that allowed the Roman arms to be successfully carried against hundred of enemies over 5 centuries.”
Let me see what did you do perm sec? You trawled through what Darkness once wrote in the Intelligent Singaporean about the how real “elites” perpetuate their class politics.
Then you superimpose all this into a response to the question that I asked.
Did Darkness say all these things? Yes, he did Perm Sec. Was it unanimously agreed by all us? Yes, including myself. Were there any qualifications? No.
He said what he said and ALL agreed to it, the matter is really cut and dried.
So what are my options now Perm Sec? Let me see, if I even try to negotiate around this or even attempt to 鸡蛋里挑骨头 on what you have so meticulously commented on what Darkness once wrote; then who am I really fighting?
Do you see my problem?
And since what you forwarded is just the tip of the iceberg on the whole thesis; if I am silly enough to lay siege to it; all you would have to do is throw out more of what Darkness once wrote about this whole matter; so where does that really leave me?
Let me see. My supply lines will dry up; I don’t even have any reserves to mount a counter attack and given enough time, I’ve probably be encircled; the best I can hope for is a Verdun; a battle of attrition with no prospects of a break out.
Brilliant…….very smart.
No my friend. It is clear. I never step into a place where I cannot walk out off. There is no ego, no pride even.
I concede the point.
This matter is closed as far as I concerned, its over – we have run out of road my friend.
SD (Internet Liaison officer of the brotherhood)