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		<title>By: The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 49</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Singapore Daily &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Weekly Roundup: Week 49</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 02:45:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Town Councils Lose $12M Public Funds - TOC: Residents query but PAP town councils keep mum - TOC: Town council investments: Annual reports do not answer questions [...]</description>
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		<title>By: MemphisBelle</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/town-council-investments-annual-reports-do-not-answer-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-37812</link>
		<dc:creator>MemphisBelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 10:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We seem to have a lot of questions to ask those who run the TCs. Somehow why weren&#039;t these questions raised by the Opposition MPs at the last Parliament? Is it because they are worried that their own TCs may come under scrutiny? I wonder...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We seem to have a lot of questions to ask those who run the TCs. Somehow why weren&#8217;t these questions raised by the Opposition MPs at the last Parliament? Is it because they are worried that their own TCs may come under scrutiny? I wonder&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Blur</title>
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		<dc:creator>Blur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 06:36:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that one fundamental question that we should ask the Minister is why is there a need fror a large transfer, of about 35 pc to the sinking fund each year.  This has resulted in town councils have hugh sinking fund and finding ways how to invest the funds, including into toxic assets.  The minister should review the size of the transfer to a reasonable level and this would translate into lower conservancy and service charges.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that one fundamental question that we should ask the Minister is why is there a need fror a large transfer, of about 35 pc to the sinking fund each year.  This has resulted in town councils have hugh sinking fund and finding ways how to invest the funds, including into toxic assets.  The minister should review the size of the transfer to a reasonable level and this would translate into lower conservancy and service charges.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/town-council-investments-annual-reports-do-not-answer-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-37696</link>
		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 02:48:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

bukit panjang friends tell me 

their TC finance chairman (BBM status one leh),

but still got investment loss...

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>bukit panjang friends tell me </p>
<p>their TC finance chairman (BBM status one leh),</p>
<p>but still got investment loss&#8230;</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: balampee</title>
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		<dc:creator>balampee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 15:37:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just ask Singaporeans for 1 favor :

Read all the comments here 
and 
tell me
using your most honest words
there is no problem at all.

but if you see a problem,
I hope you take the courage and squeeze out an ounce of responsibility from your heart of stone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just ask Singaporeans for 1 favor :</p>
<p>Read all the comments here<br />
and<br />
tell me<br />
using your most honest words<br />
there is no problem at all.</p>
<p>but if you see a problem,<br />
I hope you take the courage and squeeze out an ounce of responsibility from your heart of stone.</p>
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		<title>By: jefj0901</title>
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		<dc:creator>jefj0901</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:56:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course there are many skeletons in their closet. Temasek holdings, GIC, CPF funds, IRA, all these involve big money that we can&#039;t see. Our money. All for them to play around in the global financial market for gains and losses so invisible to us.

but I stop short at revolt. I don&#039;t want to see revolt here as it would be too painful for our own citizens to bear. The Thai&#039;s had it their way and look what happened to their economy. If mass protest were to happen simultaneously in our back yard...Woe..We get screwed within 3 days just for closing the Changi airport for protest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course there are many skeletons in their closet. Temasek holdings, GIC, CPF funds, IRA, all these involve big money that we can&#8217;t see. Our money. All for them to play around in the global financial market for gains and losses so invisible to us.</p>
<p>but I stop short at revolt. I don&#8217;t want to see revolt here as it would be too painful for our own citizens to bear. The Thai&#8217;s had it their way and look what happened to their economy. If mass protest were to happen simultaneously in our back yard&#8230;Woe..We get screwed within 3 days just for closing the Changi airport for protest.</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
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		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 08:14:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello to the iba guy.

Patience my friend. The day will come when all will be revealed. Just hope that when that day comes, our National reserves won&#039;t be siphoned off to a remote bank account already. Remember Ferdinand Marcos?

There are too many skeletons in the PAP closet. This is why they have to cling on to power at all cost. The day they lose this grip on power will see all the skeletons running lose. The PAP has already decreed that this must not happen.

Do you all not realise that a revolt is inevitable if things continue the way it does? It is either this generation or the next who will have to do this. Which will it be? 

Still my hope is for this never to happen and that power can be transferred from one to another peacefully, lawfully and fairly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello to the iba guy.</p>
<p>Patience my friend. The day will come when all will be revealed. Just hope that when that day comes, our National reserves won&#8217;t be siphoned off to a remote bank account already. Remember Ferdinand Marcos?</p>
<p>There are too many skeletons in the PAP closet. This is why they have to cling on to power at all cost. The day they lose this grip on power will see all the skeletons running lose. The PAP has already decreed that this must not happen.</p>
<p>Do you all not realise that a revolt is inevitable if things continue the way it does? It is either this generation or the next who will have to do this. Which will it be? </p>
<p>Still my hope is for this never to happen and that power can be transferred from one to another peacefully, lawfully and fairly.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
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		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 07:51:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

so many views/concerns here,

not sure if PEOPLE got a chance to review &amp; help advice solutions?

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>so many views/concerns here,</p>
<p>not sure if PEOPLE got a chance to review &amp; help advice solutions?</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:09:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s really shocking to many singaporeans to know that all these years the people they trusted and voted to take care of them has infact done so much hidden damages to the citizens themselves. There are already too many hidden things waiting for answers and still many more to surface soon. If all these are not justified, then the people of singapore must now stand united to question the authority without any delay. The truth could be worse when it comes to light. Here, we citizens continue to suffer with more to come, while there, these self proclaimed millionaire elites keep rewarding themselves with the country&#039;s wealth. What sort of country are we living in today? back to communist era?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s really shocking to many singaporeans to know that all these years the people they trusted and voted to take care of them has infact done so much hidden damages to the citizens themselves. There are already too many hidden things waiting for answers and still many more to surface soon. If all these are not justified, then the people of singapore must now stand united to question the authority without any delay. The truth could be worse when it comes to light. Here, we citizens continue to suffer with more to come, while there, these self proclaimed millionaire elites keep rewarding themselves with the country&#8217;s wealth. What sort of country are we living in today? back to communist era?</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 06:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your comments TiredSingaporean &amp; Iba Abi!  Yes Iba, no words can describe the feelingA!

P.S.  I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if they said that everything they (Town Council) did is within the legal boundaries.  And even (if) after they have revealed &#039;everything&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your comments TiredSingaporean &amp; Iba Abi!  Yes Iba, no words can describe the feelingA!</p>
<p>P.S.  I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if they said that everything they (Town Council) did is within the legal boundaries.  And even (if) after they have revealed &#8216;everything&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: IBA ABI</title>
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		<dc:creator>IBA ABI</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:53:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am appalled at the singapore situations:

1. The actual cost of building a flat is unknown to the public. No one knows!
2. The actual losses of TC is unknown to the HDB leaseholders. No one of them knows!

Everyone who posted here can do only 1 thing : hope for disclosure. But honestly, go to a quiet spot, after lunch, take a deep breath and then ask your inner soul, will you get the answer ?

and there you have it.  beyond words can describe.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am appalled at the singapore situations:</p>
<p>1. The actual cost of building a flat is unknown to the public. No one knows!<br />
2. The actual losses of TC is unknown to the HDB leaseholders. No one of them knows!</p>
<p>Everyone who posted here can do only 1 thing : hope for disclosure. But honestly, go to a quiet spot, after lunch, take a deep breath and then ask your inner soul, will you get the answer ?</p>
<p>and there you have it.  beyond words can describe.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I checked the Town Council Act a week ago I didn&#039;t see this part till TODAY 5 minutes ago:  #40  Power to borrow and #41 Power to investment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I checked the Town Council Act a week ago I didn&#8217;t see this part till TODAY 5 minutes ago:  #40  Power to borrow and #41 Power to investment.</p>
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		<title>By: tiredsingaporean</title>
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		<dc:creator>tiredsingaporean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:42:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, well said kelly. Just like the HDB housing now price rocketed like nobody business. Again here, the big junk of profits goes to who? Where is the transparency? and who is behind all these profiteerings? they will never be disclose to the public, because it is illegal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, well said kelly. Just like the HDB housing now price rocketed like nobody business. Again here, the big junk of profits goes to who? Where is the transparency? and who is behind all these profiteerings? they will never be disclose to the public, because it is illegal.</p>
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		<title>By: kelly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kelly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 05:32:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What were the intentions of those POWERS had profits been reaped from using service &amp; conservancy charges?  Do you think we citizens who are paying service &amp; conservancy charges (SCC) would be notified of their profits (if the crash of the minibonds and Lehman bros didn&#039;t occur)?

Of course not, someone or some people are going to keep quiet and keep all the investment profits cos they think you&#039;re not gonna get anything back from SCC anyway.

One word: dishonesty  

Nothing I can do but post my thoughts here and wait to see which individuals are to be made into scapegoats to take the rap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What were the intentions of those POWERS had profits been reaped from using service &amp; conservancy charges?  Do you think we citizens who are paying service &amp; conservancy charges (SCC) would be notified of their profits (if the crash of the minibonds and Lehman bros didn&#8217;t occur)?</p>
<p>Of course not, someone or some people are going to keep quiet and keep all the investment profits cos they think you&#8217;re not gonna get anything back from SCC anyway.</p>
<p>One word: dishonesty  </p>
<p>Nothing I can do but post my thoughts here and wait to see which individuals are to be made into scapegoats to take the rap.</p>
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		<title>By: Kevin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kevin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:49:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Refer to:

&quot;....For Jurong Town Council, it has not invested in any Lehman-linked products, but explains that it only spends about 18 per cent or S$15 million of its S$84 million sinking funds in slightly riskier products. 
Even then, that investment guarantees the principal amount. 
The position that we&#039;ve taken is really to be very cautious with our investments because we&#039;re very clear that these are public funds, and therefore we decided to err on the side of being conservative in our investment policy. The public do not have to worry... there will not be enough funds in order to take care of their needs,&quot; said Jurong MP Halimah Yacob. .......&quot;

SO 18 per cent or S$15 million of its S$84 million sinking funds in slightly riskier products which guarantees the principal amount is the KEY MESSAGE. What are they: Equity-linked, Commodity-linked...?

No LB Minibonds. OK, some relief somewhat! 

Principal guarantee? Hope so but not until they are disclosed and that degree of transparency I suppose it is much needed. 

Hope that they will not turn out to be Principal protect product and in the case of Pinnacle Credit-linked notes series 9 &amp;10, the noteholders who could not distinguished &#039;Principal protected&#039; form &#039;Principal guarantee&#039;  shockingly saw their capital went into ashes when the credit event occurred.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Refer to:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8230;.For Jurong Town Council, it has not invested in any Lehman-linked products, but explains that it only spends about 18 per cent or S$15 million of its S$84 million sinking funds in slightly riskier products.<br />
Even then, that investment guarantees the principal amount.<br />
The position that we&#8217;ve taken is really to be very cautious with our investments because we&#8217;re very clear that these are public funds, and therefore we decided to err on the side of being conservative in our investment policy. The public do not have to worry&#8230; there will not be enough funds in order to take care of their needs,&#8221; said Jurong MP Halimah Yacob. &#8230;&#8230;.&#8221;</p>
<p>SO 18 per cent or S$15 million of its S$84 million sinking funds in slightly riskier products which guarantees the principal amount is the KEY MESSAGE. What are they: Equity-linked, Commodity-linked&#8230;?</p>
<p>No LB Minibonds. OK, some relief somewhat! </p>
<p>Principal guarantee? Hope so but not until they are disclosed and that degree of transparency I suppose it is much needed. </p>
<p>Hope that they will not turn out to be Principal protect product and in the case of Pinnacle Credit-linked notes series 9 &amp;10, the noteholders who could not distinguished &#8216;Principal protected&#8217; form &#8216;Principal guarantee&#8217;  shockingly saw their capital went into ashes when the credit event occurred.</p>
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		<title>By: Amused</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amused</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 03:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People lambast you because your comparison:

&quot;When I invest in a unit trust, I buy into a fund manager’s strategy. The fund manager does not reveal to me the exact allocation of the fund.&quot;

is also irrelevant.

As someone else had said: you have a choice on who&#039;s your fund manager going to be. The residents in a constituency don&#039;t. All funds have prospectus which contain much more information than what the TC&#039;s currently provide. Which fund doesn&#039;t provide its top 10 holding?

However, you&#039;re also right in that knowing how the TC&#039;s invest is pretty much useless when the residents can&#039;t do anything about it anyway. Especially when the residents are generally not knowledgeable about financial products.

If you can answer the question: &quot;What made the residents so powerless in the first place?&quot; (The answer&#039;s pretty obvious) Then you might understand some of the resentment that has been simmering.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People lambast you because your comparison:</p>
<p>&#8220;When I invest in a unit trust, I buy into a fund manager’s strategy. The fund manager does not reveal to me the exact allocation of the fund.&#8221;</p>
<p>is also irrelevant.</p>
<p>As someone else had said: you have a choice on who&#8217;s your fund manager going to be. The residents in a constituency don&#8217;t. All funds have prospectus which contain much more information than what the TC&#8217;s currently provide. Which fund doesn&#8217;t provide its top 10 holding?</p>
<p>However, you&#8217;re also right in that knowing how the TC&#8217;s invest is pretty much useless when the residents can&#8217;t do anything about it anyway. Especially when the residents are generally not knowledgeable about financial products.</p>
<p>If you can answer the question: &#8220;What made the residents so powerless in the first place?&#8221; (The answer&#8217;s pretty obvious) Then you might understand some of the resentment that has been simmering.</p>
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		<title>By: Jingo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jingo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 00:46:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>14) Eaststopper on December 3rd, 2008 1.46 am 
I think I am setting myself up to be lambasted when I entered my comments earlier. TOC is known for their anti-government rhetoric. 

=====

I can see that you are making an ANTI-TOC rhetoric , again. 
on the contrary, TOC has articles that praise the gov also.
Praise when its due.
Comment when its Time!

You are a sweeping statement machine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>14) Eaststopper on December 3rd, 2008 1.46 am<br />
I think I am setting myself up to be lambasted when I entered my comments earlier. TOC is known for their anti-government rhetoric. </p>
<p>=====</p>
<p>I can see that you are making an ANTI-TOC rhetoric , again.<br />
on the contrary, TOC has articles that praise the gov also.<br />
Praise when its due.<br />
Comment when its Time!</p>
<p>You are a sweeping statement machine.</p>
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		<title>By: Eaststopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eaststopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I am setting myself up to be lambasted when I entered my comments earlier. TOC is known for their anti-government rhetoric. Anyways, just to push this string further, pushing for full disclosure is secondary . The more fundamental question we should be asking the TCs are that why do they need so much money, what the funds are used for, and exactly how much return the residents can expect the sinking funds to earn annually.
Trying to judge whether a fund is toxic or not is hugely subjective - we are all Warren Buffets after the meltdown.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I am setting myself up to be lambasted when I entered my comments earlier. TOC is known for their anti-government rhetoric. Anyways, just to push this string further, pushing for full disclosure is secondary . The more fundamental question we should be asking the TCs are that why do they need so much money, what the funds are used for, and exactly how much return the residents can expect the sinking funds to earn annually.<br />
Trying to judge whether a fund is toxic or not is hugely subjective &#8211; we are all Warren Buffets after the meltdown.</p>
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		<title>By: Ahgong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/town-council-investments-annual-reports-do-not-answer-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-37439</link>
		<dc:creator>Ahgong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 17:31:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aiyah, TC&#039;s losses are chicken feat.  I looked at temasek holding now desperately selling its asset to raise capital, very scared wor....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aiyah, TC&#8217;s losses are chicken feat.  I looked at temasek holding now desperately selling its asset to raise capital, very scared wor&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: mee siam</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/town-council-investments-annual-reports-do-not-answer-questions/comment-page-1/#comment-37426</link>
		<dc:creator>mee siam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Dec 2008 15:09:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys and Gals,

lend me you ears!

maybe we should wait until the economic melting is overs and then ask them reveal the total losses? like this better of nots?  the trick now is how long more will the melting be and where is the bottom. if can tahan until then...  got me meaning of nots?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys and Gals,</p>
<p>lend me you ears!</p>
<p>maybe we should wait until the economic melting is overs and then ask them reveal the total losses? like this better of nots?  the trick now is how long more will the melting be and where is the bottom. if can tahan until then&#8230;  got me meaning of nots?</p>
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