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		<title>By: JoelK</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-117886</link>
		<dc:creator>JoelK</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Nov 2009 09:21:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Or. you know. just cut minister&#039;s excessively high pay. Just by, you know, 1.5%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Or. you know. just cut minister&#8217;s excessively high pay. Just by, you know, 1.5%.</p>
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		<title>By: SeniorCitizen</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41774</link>
		<dc:creator>SeniorCitizen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 17:07:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This Raymond Lim is really out of tune with people like us, talking about inflation and GDP to a group of senior citizens...he must be really out of his mind!!

Can&#039;t he talk at their level and use simple laymen and ordinary language...Ahh...I forgot, PAP have no place for laymen, only elites who are capable of making decision from the comforts of their air-con comfortable office eqivalent to a 3 room flat in Singapore!!!

#63 BusHike is correct...he is just a backdoor minister who have no &quot;feel&quot; about the life of citizens...he is too high and almighty for all of us to understand...and it is our fault, because we are not elites like him, and we don&#039;t earn the kind of money like he does...so we will never understand him!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This Raymond Lim is really out of tune with people like us, talking about inflation and GDP to a group of senior citizens&#8230;he must be really out of his mind!!</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t he talk at their level and use simple laymen and ordinary language&#8230;Ahh&#8230;I forgot, PAP have no place for laymen, only elites who are capable of making decision from the comforts of their air-con comfortable office eqivalent to a 3 room flat in Singapore!!!</p>
<p>#63 BusHike is correct&#8230;he is just a backdoor minister who have no &#8220;feel&#8221; about the life of citizens&#8230;he is too high and almighty for all of us to understand&#8230;and it is our fault, because we are not elites like him, and we don&#8217;t earn the kind of money like he does&#8230;so we will never understand him!!</p>
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		<title>By: HaiGong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41769</link>
		<dc:creator>HaiGong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:51:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#48

The GLCs do not know how to make money outside of Singapore, so they suck all from singaporeans. 

just take a look at the investments outside singapore? where are the profits?
 dont boost about your profit, all come from your poor fellow citizens.

 why? becose they can only do it to the citizens, we are so tame. try other countries, they will kick you out of their country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#48</p>
<p>The GLCs do not know how to make money outside of Singapore, so they suck all from singaporeans. </p>
<p>just take a look at the investments outside singapore? where are the profits?<br />
 dont boost about your profit, all come from your poor fellow citizens.</p>
<p> why? becose they can only do it to the citizens, we are so tame. try other countries, they will kick you out of their country.</p>
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		<title>By: Hyperbolic wisdom from the transport minister &#171; Gerald Giam</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41759</link>
		<dc:creator>Hyperbolic wisdom from the transport minister &#171; Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 15:09:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] statements provoked a rather unhappy reaction from Singaporeans. The Online Citizen&#8217;s quote of his remark provoked over 60 angry responses in just 12 [...]</description>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41752</link>
		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:36:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>well, one good thing about this Raymond is the buzz he has created among netizens. before the TC fiasco die out, this 1 appear....or is this created to try to smoother the TC fiasco?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, one good thing about this Raymond is the buzz he has created among netizens. before the TC fiasco die out, this 1 appear&#8230;.or is this created to try to smoother the TC fiasco?</p>
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		<title>By: BusHike</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41748</link>
		<dc:creator>BusHike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 14:16:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond is just typical of those backdoor PAP MPs and ministers...sitting comfortably in his office and making policies that makes sense only to him and his PAP colleagues.

If only he can put himself at the same level of those suffering citizens...

If only he can empathize with those who counts any savings (even 10 cents) as important for their next meal...

If only he can understand that what he earned in a year could be something that a ordinary citizen may be earning in his or her lifetime...

If only Raymond Lim was not a backdoor minister being elected into parliament through PAP&#039;s manipulative GRC system...

Maybe Raymond Lim should put himself up in a single constituency ward to contest the next election, and let people judge whether what he says make sense!!!

But I supposed he does not have any guts at all...because he is after all a backdoor minister!!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond is just typical of those backdoor PAP MPs and ministers&#8230;sitting comfortably in his office and making policies that makes sense only to him and his PAP colleagues.</p>
<p>If only he can put himself at the same level of those suffering citizens&#8230;</p>
<p>If only he can empathize with those who counts any savings (even 10 cents) as important for their next meal&#8230;</p>
<p>If only he can understand that what he earned in a year could be something that a ordinary citizen may be earning in his or her lifetime&#8230;</p>
<p>If only Raymond Lim was not a backdoor minister being elected into parliament through PAP&#8217;s manipulative GRC system&#8230;</p>
<p>Maybe Raymond Lim should put himself up in a single constituency ward to contest the next election, and let people judge whether what he says make sense!!!</p>
<p>But I supposed he does not have any guts at all&#8230;because he is after all a backdoor minister!!!!</p>
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		<title>By: AreWe Stupid</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41743</link>
		<dc:creator>AreWe Stupid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:58:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond Lim Studied Economics and We are stupid or What to  get  answers like &quot;This is because the public transport fare is not directly linked to the oil prices. We link it to national factors, like the inflation level in Singapore, and the wage level in the whole of Singapore.&quot; 

THIS TYPE OF ANSWER CANNOT EVEN GET ANY MARKS AT JC  LEVEL &gt;&gt; DUMP A$$$ He think we are all  primary kids</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond Lim Studied Economics and We are stupid or What to  get  answers like &#8220;This is because the public transport fare is not directly linked to the oil prices. We link it to national factors, like the inflation level in Singapore, and the wage level in the whole of Singapore.&#8221; </p>
<p>THIS TYPE OF ANSWER CANNOT EVEN GET ANY MARKS AT JC  LEVEL &gt;&gt; DUMP A$$$ He think we are all  primary kids</p>
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		<title>By: Gerald Giam</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41731</link>
		<dc:creator>Gerald Giam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:18:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh the minister read my mind exactly. I was not asking for a freeze in fare hikes. Not a subsidy for the low income and elderly. I WANT IT FREE!!!! FREE!!!!!! Readers should go watch the video clip on CNA of him saying this line. It&#039;s a picture of humility. I think he has the potential to be a mini-LKY. Just like the line about if ministers don&#039;t get high salaries, our wives will become maids in foreign countries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh the minister read my mind exactly. I was not asking for a freeze in fare hikes. Not a subsidy for the low income and elderly. I WANT IT FREE!!!! FREE!!!!!! Readers should go watch the video clip on CNA of him saying this line. It&#8217;s a picture of humility. I think he has the potential to be a mini-LKY. Just like the line about if ministers don&#8217;t get high salaries, our wives will become maids in foreign countries.</p>
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		<title>By: aiyoyo</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41727</link>
		<dc:creator>aiyoyo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 13:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>aiyoyo

why ELITEs take so much $ &amp; talk like this huh???

aiyoyo</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>aiyoyo</p>
<p>why ELITEs take so much $ &amp; talk like this huh???</p>
<p>aiyoyo</p>
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		<title>By: pumpkin</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41725</link>
		<dc:creator>pumpkin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 12:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Our TM must have lost it! The job of managing the transport system, managing the expectation of the people and at the same increasing the wealth of temasek-lined companies is too much for him. The spectacle of him over the TV blasting away did not make him look ministerial, cooly conveying his points across without causing offence. He appeared to be  like a quarrelsome and provacative ah Beng I see at food courts ever so often!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Our TM must have lost it! The job of managing the transport system, managing the expectation of the people and at the same increasing the wealth of temasek-lined companies is too much for him. The spectacle of him over the TV blasting away did not make him look ministerial, cooly conveying his points across without causing offence. He appeared to be  like a quarrelsome and provacative ah Beng I see at food courts ever so often!</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41715</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since the transport companies can apply to the PTC for approval to increase fares during good times, why can&#039;t commuters apply to the PTC for approval to decrease fares during bad times?  Why should the PTC route be one-way?  PTC should also consider commuters&#039; request..right?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since the transport companies can apply to the PTC for approval to increase fares during good times, why can&#8217;t commuters apply to the PTC for approval to decrease fares during bad times?  Why should the PTC route be one-way?  PTC should also consider commuters&#8217; request..right?</p>
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		<title>By: Chua mui mui of the hong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41713</link>
		<dc:creator>Chua mui mui of the hong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 11:12:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I feel that what we comment here may not change the thing.
Only 2 ways available for all to use:

1. Decision day
2. Koo koo clock stop ticking. 

is that not sweet? short and sharp but fully summarised the entire universe of truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I feel that what we comment here may not change the thing.<br />
Only 2 ways available for all to use:</p>
<p>1. Decision day<br />
2. Koo koo clock stop ticking. </p>
<p>is that not sweet? short and sharp but fully summarised the entire universe of truth.</p>
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		<title>By: richard</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41705</link>
		<dc:creator>richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 10:08:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Raymond Lim has shown himself to be a very typical MP and Minister (yet to see one really humble and down-to-earth one) among the governing elites.  Why are they so brave (or thick skinned)?  Aren&#039;t they afraid of losing votes next round? Sigh!  :-(</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Raymond Lim has shown himself to be a very typical MP and Minister (yet to see one really humble and down-to-earth one) among the governing elites.  Why are they so brave (or thick skinned)?  Aren&#8217;t they afraid of losing votes next round? Sigh!  :-(</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41692</link>
		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 09:03:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;

Another MB Tan, came from the same bloody hole, a blood sucker. Pls try not to bullshit your humble citizenry, don’t treat us like a fool, we are not one of you.&quot;

hey, of course you aint like him. he earns 2 million plus a year. you????? you pay the ERP charges everyday to pay him. =)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221;</p>
<p>Another MB Tan, came from the same bloody hole, a blood sucker. Pls try not to bullshit your humble citizenry, don’t treat us like a fool, we are not one of you.&#8221;</p>
<p>hey, of course you aint like him. he earns 2 million plus a year. you????? you pay the ERP charges everyday to pay him. =)</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41688</link>
		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:51:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>woa...so our gahmen has no power over this yah? then why are they drawing such a high salary when they have no say over PUBLIC transport....lol</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>woa&#8230;so our gahmen has no power over this yah? then why are they drawing such a high salary when they have no say over PUBLIC transport&#8230;.lol</p>
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		<title>By: Percevale</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41684</link>
		<dc:creator>Percevale</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:36:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Guys. He already mentioned. Government has NO SAY in the raising (ahem sorry REVISION) of transport fares. If so, then any corresponding GST increase to give us free transport is POINTLESS. Gahmen has NO SAY remember?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Guys. He already mentioned. Government has NO SAY in the raising (ahem sorry REVISION) of transport fares. If so, then any corresponding GST increase to give us free transport is POINTLESS. Gahmen has NO SAY remember?</p>
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		<title>By: gemami</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41679</link>
		<dc:creator>gemami</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 08:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They more they have in the kitty, the less guilty they feel when they dip into it to line their own pockets.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They more they have in the kitty, the less guilty they feel when they dip into it to line their own pockets.</p>
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		<title>By: SZ</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-2/#comment-41662</link>
		<dc:creator>SZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 07:18:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>all they are interested in are profits...they are earning and they wanna earn more and the more they earn, the more bonus they will get...and the cycle will repeat itself. they will use some factor that &quot;justify&quot; the increase, but down the road, when those factors justify a decrease, they say it is no longer relevant...something must really be done. imagine with this past few years, how the price/cost has sky-rocket</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>all they are interested in are profits&#8230;they are earning and they wanna earn more and the more they earn, the more bonus they will get&#8230;and the cycle will repeat itself. they will use some factor that &#8220;justify&#8221; the increase, but down the road, when those factors justify a decrease, they say it is no longer relevant&#8230;something must really be done. imagine with this past few years, how the price/cost has sky-rocket</p>
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		<title>By: Loyola</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-1/#comment-41658</link>
		<dc:creator>Loyola</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 06:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gawddarn it, S$1billion in profit is hardly a loss. 

Make your own conclusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gawddarn it, S$1billion in profit is hardly a loss. </p>
<p>Make your own conclusions.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2008/12/want-cheaper-fares-then-you-must-pay-more/comment-page-1/#comment-41645</link>
		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Dec 2008 05:56:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But their profit margin is in the range of billions yearly. Unless someone justifies that the profit is required for further development of the system...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But their profit margin is in the range of billions yearly. Unless someone justifies that the profit is required for further development of the system&#8230;</p>
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