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		<title>By: circus shows</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/01/2-arrested-for-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-115655</link>
		<dc:creator>circus shows</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:13:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I agree. would one person protesting also constitute a protest? the police force is a joke.&quot;

well, stupid system will make average intelligent or very smart people look like clowns. Fee glad that you are able to have very good circus shows for free. 

no wonder they crave for the need of foreign talents as we do have plenty of clowns here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I agree. would one person protesting also constitute a protest? the police force is a joke.&#8221;</p>
<p>well, stupid system will make average intelligent or very smart people look like clowns. Fee glad that you are able to have very good circus shows for free. </p>
<p>no wonder they crave for the need of foreign talents as we do have plenty of clowns here.</p>
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		<title>By: really boh pian meh</title>
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		<dc:creator>really boh pian meh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Nov 2009 04:00:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2 persons with signboard. And the policemen came. They sure know how to deploy national resources. 

No wonder limping MAS knew better not to show them the signboard, and the whole nation of armed forces was not able to get him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2 persons with signboard. And the policemen came. They sure know how to deploy national resources. </p>
<p>No wonder limping MAS knew better not to show them the signboard, and the whole nation of armed forces was not able to get him.</p>
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		<title>By: KingMaker</title>
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		<dc:creator>KingMaker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Jan 2009 08:14:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>

I agree. would one person protesting also constitute a protest? the police force is a joke.

I am going to stand for the next ge. wish me luck please.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree. would one person protesting also constitute a protest? the police force is a joke.</p>
<p>I am going to stand for the next ge. wish me luck please.</p>
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		<title>By: me</title>
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		<dc:creator>me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:40:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;At least the elites are consistent. They always talk down to sg or foreign peasants with the same arrogance and self-righteousness.&quot;

in other words, they are consistently rude, arrogant and self-righteous.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;At least the elites are consistent. They always talk down to sg or foreign peasants with the same arrogance and self-righteousness.&#8221;</p>
<p>in other words, they are consistently rude, arrogant and self-righteous.</p>
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		<title>By: Pecking Order</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pecking Order</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 12:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pecking Order of People in Singapore:

1. Elites in government (e.g. Ministers) and business (e.g. C.K. Tangs boss)
2. Associates of Elites (scholars, upper class)
3. White people from 1st world countries
4. Elites from influential developing countries (e.g. China, India)
5. Rich people or professionals without connections (e.g. rich bosses, doctor)
6. Foreign average joes from influential developing countries (e.g. students, professionals from China, India)
7. Foreign average joe citizens from non-influential countries (e.g. Malaysia, South Africa, Brazil, etc)
8. Foreign labourers from China and India
9. Singapore average joe citizens &lt;- I AM HERE!
10. Foreign labourers
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10000000000. Activists and non-PAP politically involved people</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pecking Order of People in Singapore:</p>
<p>1. Elites in government (e.g. Ministers) and business (e.g. C.K. Tangs boss)<br />
2. Associates of Elites (scholars, upper class)<br />
3. White people from 1st world countries<br />
4. Elites from influential developing countries (e.g. China, India)<br />
5. Rich people or professionals without connections (e.g. rich bosses, doctor)<br />
6. Foreign average joes from influential developing countries (e.g. students, professionals from China, India)<br />
7. Foreign average joe citizens from non-influential countries (e.g. Malaysia, South Africa, Brazil, etc)<br />
8. Foreign labourers from China and India<br />
9. Singapore average joe citizens &lt;- I AM HERE!<br />
10. Foreign labourers<br />
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10000000000. Activists and non-PAP politically involved people</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 10:01:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>33) Akhayar 

At least the elites are consistent. They always talk down to sg or foreign peasants with the same arrogance and self-righteousness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>33) Akhayar </p>
<p>At least the elites are consistent. They always talk down to sg or foreign peasants with the same arrogance and self-righteousness.</p>
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		<title>By: Akhayar</title>
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		<dc:creator>Akhayar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 08:27:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What bugs me is that the official statement jointly issued by MHA and MOM is a bit rude and showing too much air of negative stigma and personal feelings against the Mynamar nationals (who protested about their own government in Nov 2007), instead of just being professional and objective about the facts of what happened.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What bugs me is that the official statement jointly issued by MHA and MOM is a bit rude and showing too much air of negative stigma and personal feelings against the Mynamar nationals (who protested about their own government in Nov 2007), instead of just being professional and objective about the facts of what happened.</p>
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		<title>By: henry</title>
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		<dc:creator>henry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:57:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How I wished the foreign press had been there and show this to the global
audience for the world to see. The more they say they are opening up with
all these tokenism (HL park protest, political videos etc), the more they are
tightening the lid on expression.
Its Uniquely Singapore, a democracy that runs like a communist dictatorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How I wished the foreign press had been there and show this to the global<br />
audience for the world to see. The more they say they are opening up with<br />
all these tokenism (HL park protest, political videos etc), the more they are<br />
tightening the lid on expression.<br />
Its Uniquely Singapore, a democracy that runs like a communist dictatorship.</p>
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		<title>By: sarek_home</title>
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		<dc:creator>sarek_home</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;i wonder is it true that ST is slower than AFP for report in singapore news in this case? could someone conform for me?&lt;/b&gt;

It is likely the two protesters informed the foreign press only.  If they informed the local press, the police might be tipped off.

Remember the press statement from the police when the media reported minibond investors planned to gather at DSB HQ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>i wonder is it true that ST is slower than AFP for report in singapore news in this case? could someone conform for me?</b></p>
<p>It is likely the two protesters informed the foreign press only.  If they informed the local press, the police might be tipped off.</p>
<p>Remember the press statement from the police when the media reported minibond investors planned to gather at DSB HQ?</p>
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		<title>By: 2 Systems</title>
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		<dc:creator>2 Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:16:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ST report in Home Section of today&#039;s paper. Small article with no photo, although it is their own photo they used for the online version using AFP&#039;s article.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ST report in Home Section of today&#8217;s paper. Small article with no photo, although it is their own photo they used for the online version using AFP&#8217;s article.</p>
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		<title>By: Ganga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ganga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 04:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s just technicality to CYA - seen it many times already, especially for reports on Temasek.

If ST report on the matter - they become accountable for the information. If they quote another news agency, they are only accountable in making sure it is a credible or bona fide news agency without having to worry about the actual content or facts as stated.

In this way, ST can report a sensitive local story without having to worry about anyone taking them to task for not practising self-censorship.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s just technicality to CYA &#8211; seen it many times already, especially for reports on Temasek.</p>
<p>If ST report on the matter &#8211; they become accountable for the information. If they quote another news agency, they are only accountable in making sure it is a credible or bona fide news agency without having to worry about the actual content or facts as stated.</p>
<p>In this way, ST can report a sensitive local story without having to worry about anyone taking them to task for not practising self-censorship.</p>
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		<title>By: 2 Systems</title>
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		<dc:creator>2 Systems</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:54:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To comment 26) Joseph Ong,

Martyn See&#039;s latest blogpost might be a good show of  that - http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2009/01/one-country-two-systems-part-lll.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To comment 26) Joseph Ong,</p>
<p>Martyn See&#8217;s latest blogpost might be a good show of  that &#8211; <a href="http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2009/01/one-country-two-systems-part-lll.html" rel="nofollow">http://singaporerebel.blogspot.com/2009/01/one-country-two-systems-part-lll.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Noose that was</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/01/2-arrested-for-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-45225</link>
		<dc:creator>Noose that was</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:32:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>16) Clarification on January 13th, 2009 1.54 am 

Hi I’d like to remind TOC and readers that the report is not written by Straits Times, the entire article was written originally by AFP.

All ST did was add the photo. So it is featured on ST’s site, their story will probably be out tomorrow.
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i wonder is it true that ST is slower than AFP for report in singapore news in this case? could someone conform for me?

thankyou.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>16) Clarification on January 13th, 2009 1.54 am </p>
<p>Hi I’d like to remind TOC and readers that the report is not written by Straits Times, the entire article was written originally by AFP.</p>
<p>All ST did was add the photo. So it is featured on ST’s site, their story will probably be out tomorrow.<br />
&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>i wonder is it true that ST is slower than AFP for report in singapore news in this case? could someone conform for me?</p>
<p>thankyou.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Ong</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/01/2-arrested-for-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-45217</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Ong</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:12:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One Country, Two system. 

This Country has once again show that they care/respect the foreigners more than its own Singaporeans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One Country, Two system. </p>
<p>This Country has once again show that they care/respect the foreigners more than its own Singaporeans.</p>
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		<title>By: Ganga</title>
		<link>http://theonlinecitizen.com/2009/01/2-arrested-for-protest/comment-page-1/#comment-45216</link>
		<dc:creator>Ganga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 03:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Section 441 Chapter 224 (Penal Code)
Criminal Trespass
Whoever enters into or upon property in the possession of another with intent to commit an offence or to intimidate, insult or annoy any person in possession of such property, or having lawfully entered into or upon such property, unlawfully remains there with intent thereby to intimidate, insult or annoy any such person, or with intent to commit an offence, is said to commit “criminal trespass”. 

Section 447 Chapter 224 (Penal Code)
Punishment for Criminal Trespass
Whoever commits criminal trespass shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 months, or with fine which may extend to $1,500, or with both.

***
I think the 2 guys are first timers and would expect a verbal warning. However, they might be fined, in which case, $3,000 ($1,500 x 2) will be need to be made available. Would someone consider setting up and manning an Activist Fund for this purpose (and future occurrences, if any)?

However, the courts could very well apply the Kangaroo T-shirt Case style and demand an apology from the 2 and when they don&#039;t apologise, consider it as being unremorseful and use it as justification for a prison sentence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Section 441 Chapter 224 (Penal Code)<br />
Criminal Trespass<br />
Whoever enters into or upon property in the possession of another with intent to commit an offence or to intimidate, insult or annoy any person in possession of such property, or having lawfully entered into or upon such property, unlawfully remains there with intent thereby to intimidate, insult or annoy any such person, or with intent to commit an offence, is said to commit “criminal trespass”. </p>
<p>Section 447 Chapter 224 (Penal Code)<br />
Punishment for Criminal Trespass<br />
Whoever commits criminal trespass shall be punished with imprisonment for a term which may extend to 3 months, or with fine which may extend to $1,500, or with both.</p>
<p>***<br />
I think the 2 guys are first timers and would expect a verbal warning. However, they might be fined, in which case, $3,000 ($1,500 x 2) will be need to be made available. Would someone consider setting up and manning an Activist Fund for this purpose (and future occurrences, if any)?</p>
<p>However, the courts could very well apply the Kangaroo T-shirt Case style and demand an apology from the 2 and when they don&#8217;t apologise, consider it as being unremorseful and use it as justification for a prison sentence.</p>
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		<title>By: Ganga</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ganga</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Check out the joint statement by MHA and MOM as posted on the MOM website - http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal/en/press_room/press_releases/2009/20090112-Joint_statement.html

&quot;3.   A handful of Myanmar nationals here however has decided not to observe this basic obligation of respecting the laws of the land and the local sensitivities of its people. They have shown in their actions and attitude a wilful disregard and contempt for the law and the Singapore authorities. In fact, some of them who have acted in this manner, notwithstanding their having benefited from education subsidies and the hospitality of Singaporeans, even demand the right to stay in Singapore as if it is a matter of their personal entitlement. They threaten to lobby political pressure through the media and agitate foreign public opinion against the authorities so as to compel them to concede to their demands. These persons are not welcomed in Singapore. They should leave Singapore once their existing passes expire. They are free to leave for any country of their choice or any country which will have them.

4.   Our laws apply equally to every person. No one is allowed to break the law with impunity regardless of how morally superior he thinks his cause is.&quot;

Wow! Doesn&#039;t it sound condescending and high-handed? I&#039;m suprised that an official statement carries such powerful emotions and is far from being objective. How do the authorities know what the person thinks (&quot;morally superior he thinks&quot;) or if he/she broke the law with &quot;impunity&quot; and considered it &quot;a personal entitlement&quot;? It could have been simply a case of desperation, isn&#039;t it.

For authorities that pride themselves on being objective and impartial, this statement reveals all sorts of negative feelings...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Check out the joint statement by MHA and MOM as posted on the MOM website &#8211; <a href="http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal/en/press_room/press_releases/2009/20090112-Joint_statement.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.mom.gov.sg/publish/momportal/en/press_room/press_releases/2009/20090112-Joint_statement.html</a></p>
<p>&#8220;3.   A handful of Myanmar nationals here however has decided not to observe this basic obligation of respecting the laws of the land and the local sensitivities of its people. They have shown in their actions and attitude a wilful disregard and contempt for the law and the Singapore authorities. In fact, some of them who have acted in this manner, notwithstanding their having benefited from education subsidies and the hospitality of Singaporeans, even demand the right to stay in Singapore as if it is a matter of their personal entitlement. They threaten to lobby political pressure through the media and agitate foreign public opinion against the authorities so as to compel them to concede to their demands. These persons are not welcomed in Singapore. They should leave Singapore once their existing passes expire. They are free to leave for any country of their choice or any country which will have them.</p>
<p>4.   Our laws apply equally to every person. No one is allowed to break the law with impunity regardless of how morally superior he thinks his cause is.&#8221;</p>
<p>Wow! Doesn&#8217;t it sound condescending and high-handed? I&#8217;m suprised that an official statement carries such powerful emotions and is far from being objective. How do the authorities know what the person thinks (&#8220;morally superior he thinks&#8221;) or if he/she broke the law with &#8220;impunity&#8221; and considered it &#8220;a personal entitlement&#8221;? It could have been simply a case of desperation, isn&#8217;t it.</p>
<p>For authorities that pride themselves on being objective and impartial, this statement reveals all sorts of negative feelings&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ashzley</title>
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		<dc:creator>ashzley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is sad. All they did was wearing a red Tee and signs. You can&#039;t get arrested for that...Two people is not a protest. Hope they&#039;re alright ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is sad. All they did was wearing a red Tee and signs. You can&#8217;t get arrested for that&#8230;Two people is not a protest. Hope they&#8217;re alright &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: ah huat</title>
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		<dc:creator>ah huat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 02:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>foreign workers have to go back to their country anyway. that&#039;s why singaporeans who protest have to be arrested....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>foreign workers have to go back to their country anyway. that&#8217;s why singaporeans who protest have to be arrested&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: squidsquid</title>
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		<dc:creator>squidsquid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:31:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what a shame.....only dare to take on own citizens protesting infront of MOM and not those FTs who also protested infront of MOM......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what a shame&#8230;..only dare to take on own citizens protesting infront of MOM and not those FTs who also protested infront of MOM&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Poor guy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Poor guy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Jan 2009 01:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Who say these two poor guys cannot be arrested,..the Home Affair Min said can so what can u do. The china FWs were not arrested, the Home Affair Min said cannot because they are afraid of enraging the big brother&#039;s children.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Who say these two poor guys cannot be arrested,..the Home Affair Min said can so what can u do. The china FWs were not arrested, the Home Affair Min said cannot because they are afraid of enraging the big brother&#8217;s children.</p>
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